I guess i'll throw in my 2 cents. First, Batman would lose to alot of superheros. I dont care how smart he is. If Batman would take on somebody that he has no idea about, whats the advantage of being smart? Example- maybe the most lopsided fight ever,,,,I think the Silver Surfer could beat Batman in about 3 seconds. All heros of that magnitude would destroy him. Lets have some sense.
I dont have the issue # or anything, but Batman once whispered to Superman ("You know he could kill us all!"😉, and this was about Plastic Man! Think about it for a minute. It makes perfect sense and even they knew it.
I do think that Batman would handle Daredevil though.
The Batman is stronger and a better fighter (even in that huge, cumbersome cloak), but Daredevil has his super-senses to help him win that fight. Batman is pretty much aware of Daredevil's capabilities. He knows that he can read plain ink with his fingers and can determine the number of salt crystals on a pretzel by taste. I think he knows about the radar sense, but I know he knows Daredevil has hearing that far surpasses normal humans. If he had to, he'd use the sonics to hurt him. He would be less inclined to use them against Daredevil than Superman, since Daredevil doesn't look like much compared to Supes, but he would if he was outfought.
Originally posted by Herr Logan
The Batman is stronger and a better fighter (even in that huge, cumbersome cloak), but Daredevil has his super-senses to help him win that fight. Batman is pretty much aware of Daredevil's capabilities. He knows that he can read plain ink with his fingers and can determine the number of salt crystals on a pretzel by taste. I think he knows about the radar sense, but I know he knows Daredevil has hearing that far surpasses normal humans. If he had to, he'd use the sonics to hurt him. He would be less inclined to use them against Daredevil than Superman, since Daredevil doesn't look like much compared to Supes, but he would if he was outfought.
the coolest fighter's usually create there own style combining a real form of combat and there talent's.
Spidey has a very effective form of self tuaght combat combining his flexability and spider-sense, as i would expect DD, useing there fast reflexe's. and DD has held his own against Spidey and Venom((tho Venom isnt exactly a gracefull fighter))
tho it dosent hurt to have mastered damn near EVERYTHING
Daredevil has shown evidence that he can tune out loud and painful sounds. The only times he's ever actually been beaten are when he's either mentally unstable or injured. or when he's teamed by 7 or 8 super powered thugs. again, the fact that he's survived an encounter with Mephisto is enough to convince me that he could take bats
Originally posted by kal-el
Stronger?-thats not a sure thing at all. DD once lifted a 400lb weight like 'it was 50' back in a Miller day comic and recently in 'lowlife' he tipped over a car full of druggies.Better fighter?maybe if we have to assume 127 martial arts can beat anyone but DDs taken out a room of ninjas before and more recently aced nearly100(yes 100) yazuka gangsters with swords!(he didn't come out unscathed but pretty much beat the crap out of most of em).DD has quicker reactions than a normal human(including a trained one) and more acute balance meaning better leverage for punches and kicks during movement(So your comments are arguable at best).
How does bats know about Dds taste and touch then? or did you just quote the DD encyclopedia page. or did I miss a crossover.I've only known of/own 2.
It was a cross-over where Batman discussed Daredevil's sensory powers with him. He was very fascinated, like a scientist. I don't remember where I saw it. Probably the sequel to Marvel Vs. DC or something. It looked very "Silver Age," but I think they made it that way on purpose, and not actually that long ago.
I concede that because Daredevil's sense are a part of his fighting style, not just an extra edge on top of his fighting skills, and therefore he may be a better fighter than Batman. If Daredevil can lift a car (I saw it, and I wasn't sure what I was looking at--that's friggin' crazy!), then so can Batman. Batman is bigger (2-4 inches taller, 40 pounds heavier) and more built up. This may make him slower than Daredevil in a fight, but certainly not weaker. Batman can also clear a room full of ninjas as well.
Of course Daredevil has adapted to his senses and is able to block loud noises out, but intense sonic weapons would hurt him badly and put him off balance. Unless he has some kind of specialized, high-tech protection in his cowl that filters out harmful frequencies (which would be the smart thing, and I'm sure Reed Richards could cook something like that up for him), he is vulnerable.
Captain America could probably take either Batman or Daredevil, but not at the same time.
Well DD doesn't do things like that often and doesn't have superhuman strength.Let me be clear, he didnt lift a car he raised it from one side and tipped it over and the 400lb weight was way back during the Miller era.Ben Urich was being roughed up by some thugs. they made him lie on the weights bench and gave him a 400lb barbell, which he obviously couldnt lift and began to choke.Suddenly two red gloves gripped the bar and lifted it off him. the bad guys then said, 'I aint messin with him, he's heftin' 400lbs like it's 50!'.DD then knocked two of them out, almost using the barbell as a staff. then threw it at the remaining guy.
Originally posted by Herr Logan
It was a cross-over where Batman discussed Daredevil's sensory powers with him. He was very fascinated, like a scientist. I don't remember where I saw it. Probably the sequel to Marvel Vs. DC or something. It looked very "Silver Age," but I think they made it that way on purpose, and not actually that long ago.I concede that because Daredevil's sense are a part of his fighting style, not just an extra edge on top of his fighting skills, and therefore he may be a better fighter than Batman. If Daredevil can lift a car (I saw it, and I wasn't sure what I was looking at--that's friggin' crazy!), then so can Batman. Batman is bigger (2-4 inches taller, 40 pounds heavier) and more built up. This may make him slower than Daredevil in a fight, but certainly not weaker. Batman can also clear a room full of ninjas as well.
Of course Daredevil has adapted to his senses and is able to block loud noises out, but intense sonic weapons would hurt him badly and put him off balance. Unless he has some kind of specialized, high-tech protection in his cowl that filters out harmful frequencies (which would be the smart thing, and I'm sure Reed Richards could cook something like that up for him), he is vulnerable.
Captain America could probably take either Batman or Daredevil, but not at the same time.
yeah that WAS crazy strength when he lifted the car over, I reacted the same. bats is prob the same strength. It can be reasonable to assume that they are both as strong as a man of their weight can be. Bats is 6'2'', 210lbs and DD is 6',200lbs so the size difference is minimal and DD being shorter but not that much lighter means he's likely to be equally strong. I agree with cap beating them both, but not easily and def not at same time.
It's a great match up actually.
Both Captain America and the Batman are iconic characters that, while possessing no overt superpowers do possess peak human physical and mental condition, and they never, ever quit. Captain America has a physical edge over other humans in that his body does not produce lactic acid his muscles that cause fatigue. Batman has nothing to live for except his mission, so he will not quit, no matter what. Captain America can lift 800 lbs, the most a non-metahuman could conceivably lift. I'm guessing the Batman is not far behind.
Both of these characters have this supernatural ability to fight and win without any supernatural abilties. This is why there would be no such thing as Captain America, even if there were a way to turn scrawny, sickly patriots into burly, dynamic soldiers that don't get tired. A man with no guns and just an indestructible shield could not tackle whole armies the way he has and live as long as he has, but it makes for great storytelling and visual images. Not even real life ninjas can pull off the kinds of things the Batman has done. Both of these characters are perfect for fiction, but hard to imagine realistically fighting in the real world. People should set up some context and boundaries for these fights when they start a thread like this. Otherwise, we're stuck with conclusions like "Batman never quits, and Daredevil goes nuts sometimes" to determine what happens with fictional icons. Set the, set some limits, draw a picture as to what the Batman has to work with, and what he'd be fighting about. It's not as simple as who the opponent is. If there's no context, it would be easy to say the Batman could beat almost anyone, because he basically can.
I still don't believe Bats can beat ANYBODY with prep time.It seems to be some kind of general consensus that Batman fans have come up with. I love bats, but I don't believe he can beat anyody. I do believe he's a better crimefighter than anybody, because it's all based on his flawless technique. He can only beat anybody he's studied(like the JLA members). Prep time happens in all comics. The good guy always figures out a way to beat a really tough badguy if he got clobbered first time round. He then goes after him again with a plan. Anyone with a god plan can pull off a good win, just like in sport. I know bats is smart and covers every angle but there's only so much his gadgets can do against a really powerful opponent. Lets face it, the only reason everyone believes he can beat antbody is because he's beat supes in so many comics(I think its 4 now) and thats coz he knows him inside out and because comic writers love to suprise with their stories! He wouldn't be able to do anything against Thor, Flash, Surfer, Iron man(whos suit out does bats' gadgets), Thing, Hulk(don't anybody mention that awful crossover!!). He may be the smartest but when we talk about versus, we don't mean sitting exams or chess. He's top of my league as a crimefighter but not as a fighter who'd beat the pants off of anybody.No sir!
well, Daredevil really has respect for the law and for the innoscent, he's really catholic. batman, on the otherhand is a Judge Dredd-lite right wing looney. I think that's enough criteria.
Batman needs lots of toys. daredevil has consistantly managed with two radio transmitters in his horns and two billy clubs. Batman's idea of a sidekick is to put minors in danger, Daredevil usually ends up fighting side by side with his once, and probably future love, the black widow, (of course, widow would kill batsy in seconds)