The Oscars!!!!!!

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Lord Soth
Tonight, Lord of the Rings successfully got 11 out of 11 wins at the 76th Oscars, in the Kodak Theatre in Hollywood. Only TWO other films, in the history of the Academy have achieved this great nummer: Titanic and Ben-Hur. I'd like to speak for all of the Lord of the Rings fans when I say......































YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is all

Darth Revan
I made a thread about this in the OTF already, silly roll eyes (sarcastic)
but what the hell













WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lord Soth
It fits best in the MDF, wouldn't ya think?

southside_15
i really like this movie .. but i am very surprised it won 11 out of 11

Lord Soth
So am I, but it's an incredibly pleasant surprise

southside_15
yeah it is a pleasent surprise yes

Cinemaddiction
Word you're looking for is "swept". wink

Much congrats, inspired some recognition in my new sig line.

Lord Soth
the excitement hindered my grammar stick out tongue

Cinemaddiction
Can't blame ya. That makes 14 Academy Awards for one movie in one year. Insane.

shadow link
wat do u mean 14 in one year, i thought it only one 11

BackFire
Yep, 11 in one year...tied the record. It deserved it. The overwhelming amount of work and passion that was put into these three films surpasses anything else in recent memory, and it deserves everything it gets, and then some.

This is the first time since american Beauty won that I felt that the oscars were solid all around. Everything that deserved to win did.

shaber
Whoa, that's great!

Fire
go LOTR

yerssot
waaay too overrated

Krosus
Unfortunatly i agree I think this is the academy over compensating for the last 2 years, having said that look how many awards Titanic won. I have not managed to stay awake once the 4 times my fiance made me watch it and not even the lure of Kate winsletts norks kept me awake.

botankus
Now what fun would that be, having a thread title with correct grammar?? wink

Fire
Personaly I think the movie deserved every oscar it won

hobbit_lover
same here! it was an incredible movie! It did deserve every Oscar it got and I'm sooooooooooo happy it was named best Picture of the year because it was just amazing! GO LORD OF THE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yerssot
it's not cause you think it's a great movie it should get every oscar it got nominated for

botankus

Fire
yea but it happens often that the last part of a triology or a bunch of movies gets oscars, that actualy count for all three movies together

Cinemaddiction
11 Oscars, 3 Golden Globes.

botankus
whistle

3 Golden Globes <> 3 Academy Awards

yerssot
ANH won 7, as far as I remember ROTJ didn't wink

Lord Soth
another thing: LotR is te first fantasy movie EVER to win Best Picture...even Star Wars didn't win

yerssot
says enough how they are influenced

Ushgarak
Star Wars isn't sa fantasy, it is a sci-fi!

yerssot
details stick out tongue wink

Fire
did a sci-fi movie ever win best picture?

yerss we were asking for good movies stick out tongue
ANH is better than ROTJ

yerssot
no, you were saying the last movie of a trilogy gets all the praise for the entire series, I showed it's not the truth.

Yes, ANH is better than ROTJ and compared to LOTR, SW did a LOT more for the movie-industrie. Giving LOTR 11 oscars shows that today you just need some "handsome" actors, a story that's already hugely popular but wasn't made into a movie yet and you're set
Troy and Alexander will win a lot of oscars too cause of that, y'all see

silver_tears
I was happy with the outcome clap

Fire
I stand corrected then

but still I don't think the handsome actors are what did it.

Fire
But the point stays

that: FOTR - ROTK is a smaller difference in quality than ANH - ROTJ

Joseph_Kerr
A correction concerning the soundtracks:

Howard Shore won an Oscar for LOTR:FOTR soundtrack. The academy then decided that sequels/prequels could not be nominated anymore. So, LOTR:TTT was not nominated, therefore Shore did not win the oscar for the second film. Then this year the academy gave in and recended their restriction. Thus, LOTR:ROTK was nominated and consequently won the oscar for best soundtrack.

The the soundtrack did win 2 oscars. I do believe Shore probably would of won for LOTR:TTT if he was nominated.

yerssot
djee, FM... get your act together and see how many girls ranged 10 through 16 ADORE LOTR cause of Bloom... and in a tad lesser extend Viggo! even some Sam and Frodo-lovers are out there!

but yeah, quality is the same where as ROTJ just stinks

WindDancer
Well, LS Star Wars is more like Sci-Fi. LOTR is more like Fantasy. So even if Star Wars didn't win many awards in the past is still is one of the best triologies in Movie history.

btw-I'm so glad PJ got an award for best director! He deserves it!

Kes
I agree. I mean the movie is great and all but it is not the best movie of the year. But considering they were probably judging all 3, its ok. (they should have just waited for the whole thing to be over before they nominated it for best film)
It was the same has every year, no surprises. And some crappy choices:
M&C best cinematography (WHAT???!)

Kes
Oh, dont think LOTR deserved best editing. Cold Mountain is way better in that department.

yerssot
don't think they deserved best song either, best music yes, but not song

Kes
Yes and no.
The movie did get a lot of fame because of the kids looking at Orli and what not.But they werent nominated.
Interesting isnt it...so good yet the acting wasnt good enough (according to the academy wink )

WindDancer
LOTR overrated? Nah! That award goes to Titanic, which is tie with ROTK as far as Oscars trophies.

yerssot
well, I (and probably the others) were talking about this years oscars wink

amlap
i agree. the third movie was put together real crappy. i mean i only watched it once and i noticed a whole lot of editing mistakes and faulty camera work. plus the story (in my opinion) butchered the book and their were too many gaps in the timline to make the end conversation about the 4 years long journey reasonable. the movie was good but not the winner...Lost in Translation, thats were my money is! thats a great artistic movie!

silver_tears
I will just point out the title should be swept not sweeped smart

Kes
Yeh, personally I was going for My ain true love (or something like that) Cold Mountain. But then I heard Kiss at the end of the rainbow (or something like that) that was funny!big grin

Kes
IMO Mystic river should have gotten both best adaptation and best film.

amlap
i never saw mystic river but i heard it amazing

Lord Soth
Well, I was talking about surreal movies in general, as opposed to reality based movies

Kes

Fire
the academy ****ed up they should have given the oscar for best movie to FOTR but they didn't

Kes
Or just waited till the 3 movies were out. Meaning not nominating till this year.

Fire
wasn't FOTR nominated for Best Movie?

Kes
Cant remember.

Fire
yep they were

atleast according to www.imdb.com

botankus
Yes, all 3 of them were.

Kes
That shouldnt have happen. The movies by themselfs do not qualify for the best of the year IMO.There's always something missing.

BackFire
This is the first time since that abomination 'Gladiator' won best picture that I agreed with the decisisions.

I think LOTR definately deserved best picture, because the fact of the matter is, obviously more work and dedication went into making LOTR then any of the other movies nominated. And in 30 years, LOTR will still be famouse and have a following, much like Star Wars does today.

silver_tears
The good thing is that LOTR can't be ruined for the fans by crappy sequels in the future.
It's over and done, unless they do the Hobbit, but that's a whole other story big grin

Kes
BF> regardless of how dedicated they were that does not make it the best.

If it was that then why not Lost in translation that was made with "only" (I say only cos 4million would make 8 big budget portuguese movies!) 4million dollares and in one month!

BackFire
Well it took the most talent from all of the different departments to make a film like LOTR. The most work went into that movie. Plus the end result is one of the greatest films of our time, that will definately be remembered by everyone for years too come. Which is more then you can say about any of the other nominees.

Fire
I think they should make another category

Best overall performance or something like that, something that talks about how much work went into it.

Because let's face it Best Picture takes into account all those things anywayz

Corlindel

Myth
I'm not a fan of LOTR but I'm glad that Sean Penn got best actor and Tim Robbins got best supporting actor for Mystic River.

movieman
What was everyone's favorite part of the show?

I would have to say the top three most enjoyable parts of the show were:

1)Adrien Brody and his breath freshener. Best thing ever.

2)Owen Wilson and Ben stiller promoting Starsky and Hutch. Haha, that was so hilarious. Can't wait for the film BTW.

3)Billy Crystal as Orlando Bloom in the opening of the show. I didn't like the entire skit, just that part. Haha.

rianna_d
My favorite part of the show?

ROTK winning everything it was nominated for, finally, after 8 years, it was a wonderful night, I wish I could have been at the TORN party in L.A. Looks like they had fun stick out tongue

Cinemaddiction
Lucky bastard, he was kissed by Charlize Theron when she came up for her award too.

Lord Soth
I think this is one of the first times we've agreed, BF....

-The Lord of the Rings deserved EVERY Oscar they received, and even people who don't like sci-fi/fantasy movie have to submit to their greatness.

-It wasn't the Return of the King that won Best Picture; that's only what the ballot said. The movie that won the Oscar was The Lord of the Rings. It is one movie, 3 chapters.

-Over 4 years went into the production of the movie(s). Thousands of costumes were sewn, hundreds of weapons were forged, and quite a few detailed sets were designed, from a 1/16th scale to the real thing.

The Lord of the Rings is a movie that will stand the test of time, more than anybody can say about the other movies nominated. Nobody will remember Master and Commander in a few years, only Pirates of the Caribbean. Lost in Translation and Mystic River might have been well done, but in time they will be forgotten. Seabiscuit shouldn't have even been nominated.....

The story is one that transcends all of the special effects, a tale grander than all of the work put into the film could amount to. It is one that lives in our hearts and forever will
















omigod, I'm so overdramatic.......

botankus
Don't speak too soon. Unfortunately, when there's $$$$ involved, Hollywood can make ANYTHING, no matter how stupid it is, happen. And they usually do.

silver_tears
Where else could they possibly take it confused
Maybe like a spin off of what happened to the characters, but that would suck messed

And I really do hope the Hobbit is made erm

Ushgarak
No-one will remember Master and Commander? They might if they carry on, they have dozens they can adapt if they want.

yerssot
pffff! it's stupid to say that cause they spend a lot of time on making the trilogy of LOTR that they deserve those oscars!

OF COURSE they had to put time and effort in it! what? you wanted an old stop-motion animation for the balrog? or you wanted the battle of helms deep be fought by stickies?
they HAD to take the effort cause everything would fall if it looked retarded, that's no reason what so ever to grant them all those oscars. True, they should have gotten a few, but not that much, cause there were other movies who massively overclassed them in some catogories.

botankus
Like I said, Hollywood has been known to do some PRETTY STUPID things when $$$$ is involved.

Look for the new LOTR in 2007 featuring Frodo & Co. living in urban Chicago trying to cut it at a gay comedy club with Gandalf as their manager. All the while Sauron is trying to turn their slum into a pimping casino resort with free hookers for all. But the Hobbits fight back with help from the Feds and the new slum zoning law restriction. big grin

Fire
care to give a few examples yerss cause I think they deserved every oscar except for best song (the end song of ROTK aint that good) and best movie (unless it would be for LOTR as a whole).

Kes
True, lots of work, but one movie by it self is nothing compared to same other movies. Story and acting wise. So they should have judged the 3 movies and the nomination the years before shouldnt have happen. They should have said something like: The movie will be judged once its finished. Or the complete movie be showed to the judges. But that would mean we would only be seeing it now lol

Kes
Did you see The house of sand and fog (Casa na Bruma)? She did not deserve that Oscar.


laughing

Kes
Basically every part with Crystal (there was 1 joke he made that I didnt like), definitely Adrien Brody big grin Jack Black and Will Ferrell.
Angie Jolie presenting, just cos she looked stunning.
Tim Robbins acceptance speech and Sean Penn, specially the little sting he gave smile

yerssot
Best picture: deserved

Directing: didn't thought it was good enough to get one, nice pans and all, nothing extra-ordinary at all to give it an oscar

Art direction: it needed to follow the book, so why praise the art?

Costume design: what? you wanted aragorn to run around in jeans? if they wanted to make a movie of it, they should have done as in the book, with less it would look silly. give it an oscar cause it followed the guidelines? nonono!

Film editing: no, just "normal" done to me

Makeup: ie, those elvenears, it's a fantasy movie and they had to make it look like one, without those ears, or how they did that gimli guy (long name and forgot it), again it's it either works or fails miserably and it worked, so no oscar worth

Music (original score): sure; done well

Music (original song): damn, bad song

Sound mixing: like any sci-fi/fantasy movie, the music is important, and I think most think cause it has good music that the entire sound mixing therefor is good

Visual effects: normal, like said, want a stop-motion of the balrog? or Helms Deep done with stickies?

Adapted Screenplay: take Tolkiens book, skip some parts (Tom), change some stuff (replacing stuff like Boromirs death to the first one), add some stuff to let it appeal and done
it's cause it's a hugely successful book that they leach of it succes
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don't get me wrong, the lotr saga, I thought was good, just definitly not worth so many oscars

amity75
I squirmed a bit when Billy Crystal was singing in Clint's face. Clint obviously didn't want to be there at that moment in time. The best moment was the look on Bill Murrays face when he didn't win. I mean, why clap and cheer when you're gutted at not winning? The guy is absolute class.

Kes
Agree and dont agree. The camera angles werent anything special but it must have been difficult directing all those ppl. Thou he probably had an assistant for every extra laughing


Totally agree!
Orcs, the hair looked real, not wig. The actors were a bit transformed. Not sure POTC was better.
Agree.
Sound mixing: mixing music, with dialog, and other noises. Good considering half the dialogs were done in a studio.
Well better then the other nominees.
Agree. There were better!

Yeh, specially because its just ROTK not the entire saga!

yerssot
it depends on the acting kes, I mean... the extras in helms deep: the elfs get an arrow, shoot it when the black haired dude yells something that's not english ... start hacking and drop dead... stuff like that wink


have to agree that with the make-up, as said, on some were good, but than again.. orcs had to look real wink

I have to admit I didn't saw the other nominees for FX, but if they were the best it was not a good FX year wink

Kes
Well in Helms deep (for example) they worked lots of nights, very heavy, tiering stunts and "rain".Its difficult to control all those ppl.

yerssot
depends, just mention they get payed to act wink

Kes
Yeh, right stick out tongue

Lord Soth
Yerssot, your cynicism disgusts me

yerssot
thanks, it gets attention away from my odeur wink

Cinemaddiction
Honest to God, I don't know how you would ever arrive at the conclusions you have for their awards.

1)Directing isn't how you go about using a camera. It involves the characters movements, actions, emotions, body language, how they approach things, how they deliver their lines, etc. It's much deeper than camerawork, thats for damn sure.

2)Why praise the art? Maybe because they had almost absolutely NOTHING to go by except a bunch of black and white sketches from a few J.R.R. Tolkien books, from which they had to adapt an entire world?
The fact that it came out looking as immaculate as it did is why they get the praise, and rightfully so.

3)Costuming. They didn't get the Oscar because they "followed guidelines", they were awarded for the craftsmanship, the detail, the authenticity, the elaborate and convicing styles in which they were tailored. Again, you were way off base in your reasoning.

4)As for film editing, that's a picky detail, which takes way too much critiquing. A BAD example of editing is in Star Wars: Episode 2, where Jango Fett's rangefinder is seen on both sides of his head during the course of the movie, and sometimes they forgot it all together, but it was still kept in the movie.

5)Make Up? Once again, you're saying they shouldn't get credit because it had to be done? Which, of course, once again, isn't the case. It's HOW they did it, which is why they get the Oscar! It's not just some gelatin elven ears, it's the Hobbits, the Orcs, the Goblins, the legions of battle scarred Urk'hai, and on and on and on.

6) Music is strictly an opinion, but, the Academy felt as if it were the best original song of the 4 nominees. While it may not have been a good song to you, it apaprently was better than it's contention, and an even better song may have not even been considered.

7)Sound Editing. Just because the music is good, doesn't mean the sound is good. Good editing is rewarded in films such as this because the overlaying themes don't drown out the war cries, the mellow music doesn't overwhelm Aragorn's speech to the Hobbits at his ceremony. Good sound editing is rewarded when you can distinctly hear an Urk'hai bow plunge through someones chest over all the other war happenings + sounds, or just when the sound is optimal overall.

8) Visual Effects. Once AGAIN, you question as to why they shoud get praise, when making it sound like their work is average. Are you familiar with WETA, MAYA, or GROVE? Are you familiar with MASSIVE? MASSIVE is a revolutionary computer CGI program that allows you to create multiples of characters on screen, IN ADDITION to giving them their own seperate "brain". For example, the Urk'hai you see in the wide shots marching, tossing ladders against Helm's Deep, activing catapults, they are ALL CGI. SEAMLESS CGI at that. Do you think they really cast 1 Million extras to throw on Urk'hai suits? No. LOTR CGI top notch, unbeatable, unstoppable. Seamless, as I said.

Would you be as so ignorant to call Gollum's animation "normal"?

9) Adapted Screenplay. I am so sick of listening to your petty reasoning behind how you feel. It's not taking Tolkiens book and skipping parts, yadda, yadda, yadda. It's the adaptation. It's how the movie is translated to the big screen. It's judged on it's fairness, and how true it was to the book itself. To be perfectly honest, the actual EXTENDED VERSION will for sure show that the movie was worthy of this award. They aren't going to hire some Joe Schmoe to review this movie for it's screenplay, they will hire a Professor or someone who majors in literature, who has READ, DISSOLVED, and UNDERSTANDS the literary works of J.R.R. Tolkien in depth. If those people feel as if it is as it was in the books, what's to argue? If anything, Peter Jackson made it MORE believable and applicable to a movie adaptation!

The movies are not successful hugely in part to the works of Tolkien, word get around that these are epic pieces of filmmaking, and people want to witness it for themselves. It's appealing in and of itself. It was one directors vision that made it what it was, and Tolkien would be proud of it's conversion.

botankus
^^ If anyone quotes the ENTIRE message above this in a reply, they suck!!

Kes
Indeed and the 1st assistant director pretty much does all that.

Yes, and did you see Girl with the pearl hearing?! The research it went into making that?(Cant remember the other nominees.)
Oh please all the other nominees had that just as good.
I havent a clue what a reangefinder is but that sounds like a mistake made while filming. Cant work miracles in editing when you dont have rushes!
Personally Cold mountain has a better and more difficult editing.

This is were the lobby comes in smile

That's a bit presumptuous!

Fire
you can debate this as long as you want, in the end it doesn't change a damn thing, the academy chooses whatever they see fit

yerssot
yeah, they chose, indeed
but before praising LOTR for every damn oscar, people should look at the OTHER movies first

Fire
true, but honnestly I didnt like too many of the nominees, I liked The last samurai, M&C and LOTR that's about it
I also saw Mystic River, Lost in Translation and POTC

yerssot
that's nice, fire

Kes
Seems to me like its all about lobbies and politics.

Kes
M&C is good but not Oscar good. The last samurai is a rip off of Dances with wolves but with some crappy acting from the leading role. The only think good is Watanabe (sp). Oh and nice Landscape.
Lost in translation is good it had the right nominations.
Basically I think The house of sand of fog was greatly forgotten.
It should have been up for directing, best film and best actress.

Lord Soth
Exactly, it's not our decision. Not that it matters, Lord of the Rings EVEN IF what they did was formulaic and 'had to be done,' what they did was fantastic and no one can rightfully dispute that.

Fire
I loved The Last Samurai, but I love japanese culture and the samurai so that's maybe it, but the music was great too.

I think M&C should have won or if they weren't been nominated for sound, I loved the sounds in that movie.

Personaly I think Lost in Translation is overrated

Kes
Fire if you love samurai and japonese culture you should have been offended by how bluntly american the movie is.

Fire
True, but they capture a few facettes of the Samurai quite well, true oriental pictures are better at this.

Kes
You know what I think Fire stick out tongue

Fire
(yea I thought we were getting OF so I started to PM you)

yerssot
you were getting of??? eek!

Fire
roll eyes (sarcastic)

yerssot
didn't knew you found samurai THAT good messed

Fire
It's a cliche movie with a cliche story but personaly I love it.

yerssot
yeah, you were getting...nevermind big grin

shadow link
how come theres so much bitching about lotr winning every oscar (desrved more) and people saying it ruined the academy awards, took the suspense away, it wasnt that good a movie, maybe good but not 111 acaqdemy awars good and what about all the others movies and also that the accademy makes stupid desisions and ther stuffy and snobby so on and so forth

what about when titanic or ben won so many, wat was so good about titanic, there wasnt any fuss when it won everything. the song from that is like a song that everyeon groans and stuff when they hear it as if its the worst song in the world

bllody hell what mor do u want from a movie, wat more do u want fomr lotr !!!!!!!!1

Kes
yerss> Your mind is always south!stick out tongue

shadow link>How do you know there wasnt any bitching from when Titanic won?!
Truth is the Oscars have been predictable and badly given for some time now.
Again, LOTR deserved lots of Oscars but only considering the 3movies, not just 1.By itself.

Fire
True Kes but not much we can do about it

Kes
Is that "True" for the Oscars comment or the yerss comment? stick out tongue

andyF1
what about when titanic or ben won so many

who's Ben ?

Kes
Ben-Hur?blink

fini
uh going back to the last samurai discussion ( have not been in KMC for a LONG while)

Last Samurai wasn't that great, when i was watching it i kept thinking about the masterpiece that James Clavell wrote, "Shogun". From my point of view i think that Last samurai was a watered down version of Shogun.

Now if someone else ever makes shogun into a movie they had better do a damn good job , because its a gem of a novel ( dont tell the lotr fans, but i liked that book more than lotr)

Lord Soth
Ben-Hur, only one the most famous movies of all time

Sarah_Sparrow
Yup, LOTR rox! big grin
Just wish Johnny had won best actor...Surprised it was only his first nomination!! embarrasment

Lord Soth
Frankly, no matter how much of a good actor Johnny is, he's always been under the radar, until now, PotC was the first blockbuster movie he's ever been in

Fire
fini you do know they made a TV-series about Shogun right?

Kes
You dont need a blockbuster for the academy to recognise your work.
He is a good actor and maybe he deserved an Oscar but in other occasion. He did not deserve to win this year.

Fire
True Kes, but I don't like him much actualy

Lord Soth
That's true

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