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This should be an interesting fight. Both were only apprentices but had amazing talents and potentials. Who would win?

Maul had the most powerful Sith training him, and he was one of the most dedicated Sith Warriors of all time.

How many Jedi did Sidious kill in hand to hand combat again? And don't tell me Maul's a badass with Force powers, because I didn't see much of it. And as for dedication, that's debateable, depending on your source.

Sidious? Well on screen he annihilates 3 Jedi masters in an instant, and that's most impressive.
go to www.starwars.com and read the EU info on Maul. Sidious had the most ruthless bounty hunters come after him and try to kill him, but we all know that would not be.

How can you say Maul didn't show you how cool he was? He took on two Jedi at once(I admit one was a padawan, but the other was a master) and he tore it up.

Maul was indeed very badass. Durron was whiny (at least as far as my knowledge goes) and Maul would beat him just to shut him up.

Durron would win

Based on what? The double saber would slice him in seconds man.

Based on the fact that Kyp is the second most powerful Jedi of his time. Only second to Luke. He may have even more potential than him, but he is too headstrong (similar to Maul himself and Anakin). Don't get me wrong, Maul is a worthy opponent, but Kyp would end up wasting him.

I'm sorry, but no one, save for Anakin Skywalker, had more potential/power than Luke in his prime. Kyp is an interesting idea, sure. But the fact is, the darkside was stronger in Maul's day, he trained more/harder, and was a much more effecient warrior.

More efficient warrior? Killed by a Padawan? I would like to see Darth Maul fight against the Yuuzhan Vong.

Read this too:
Back at the Rebel base on Coruscant, Luke Skywalker tested Kyp's Jedi power potential. What he discovered was the strongest Force presence he had known since his Masters, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. Luke invited Kyp to join him as a Jedi trainee on the moon of Yavin Four. Although his skills were great, Kyp felt they were not enough. In Daala's dungeon at the Maw, he had come to terms with the details of his own existance and promised himself that he would never again be weak. What he also discovered, was that in the presense of the force, anger and hate and ambition seemed to make him... stronger. Between his impatience and desire for revenge against the Empire, he was ripe pickings for a servant of the dark side: Exar Kun, the long-dead Dark Lord of the Sith, whose spirit had been trapped in the Massassi temple, now the home of Luke Skywalker's Jedi Academy. Durron began secretly training with Kun. As he trained with both Luke Skywalker and Exar Kun, Kyp became ever more annoyed at Luke's peaceful, patient ways. He confronted Luke several times, barely holding his rage in check. When Mara Jade arrived on the planet, Kyp heard for the first time how much destruction Admiral Daala was wreaking on the outside. He stole Mara's Z-95 Headhunter spaceship and headed for the moon of Endor.

On Endor, Kyp sought out the funeral pyre of Darth Vader. Luke had told the students that Vader, a Dark Lord of the Sith, had reformed from the dark side to the light side... in the end. Kyp thought this meant that Sith Lords could still use the light side of the Force, and he grasped that thought as a way to ward off the intrusive influence of Exar Kun, who pulled the student toward the dark side. Kyp was aware of the fact that Kun was trying to control him and the young Jedi, clever, would not be daunted. Kyp was determined that he would be the new Dark Lord of the Sith, filled with righteous vengeance.

That's nice and all, but the fact remains. There was more power made available to Maul due to the imbalance, therefore he would be more powerful. Not to mention, Maul had been in training since he was like 10, having the best bounty hunters in the galaxy after him.
Yes, he was killed by a padawan, but there is a huge difference between the ordinary padawan and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Besides, luck is with Obi-Wan.

Yes, but it doesn't matter that there was "more power available" to Maul. The passage that i put up there states that Kyp has the potential to be as powerful as Yoda or Obi-wan. I know, potential is not everything, but Kyp became a Jedi Master in his early twenties. Maul just became a Sith Lord (equivalent to a Jedi Knight; and yes a know much about DM, i have read his comic mini-series, and 2 of the books based on him.) Kyp has mastered both Light and Dark sides of the Force, because he has recieved training from Luke Skywalker and Exar Kun.

He didn't master both sides of the force for one thing. And secondly Kyp could never ever attain the level of power as Yoda or Obi-Wan. I don't care what passage you wish to show me, the fact is Yoda's 900 years of life, and Obi-Wan's incredible luck will always keep them above Kyp. And Luke is above them.

Yes well, I never stated that he was better than them. But i think he could take Maul in a fight. Do i think Maul is cooler? Yes, but Kyp has done much more in his lifespan than Maul ever did, has had just as much or more combat experience, more potential than DM and more power. Maul possibly outclasses him in his lightsaber skill and if this battle was with no Force powers, he would probably win. I don't think anything that you say (because i already know all of what you have told me) will make me change my mind.

I re-read one of your statements, when was Kyp a Jedi Master? I mean, Luke was barely a Jedi master when he met Kyp.

During the NJO series, he is one. And he is in his twenties at that point. Therefore, he is a very young Jedi Master.

Sorry dude, but I'm going to have to say nuh-uh!
If the Jedi council wouldn't permit Anakin to be a master, then I refuse to believe what some author says.

Well, considering that he IS a Jedi Master, its kinda hard to argue with it. I know its EU, but its still true.

but who says he's a master? Luke?
Luke still hasn't got it figured out either, and he's barely a master.

but you're right, it's EU so I don't have to recognize it as anything.

Well, at the time of NJO, Luke is a skilled Master and the leader of all the Jedi. Afterall, it is 20 years after A New Hope, so hopefully, Luke knows what he is doing.

I agree, but all I'm saying is, I don't see how Kyp should be qualified as a master, since he succumbs to the darkside.

snake eyes is an idiot. Thats for sure. Maul would destroy kyp durron in 2 minutes, and then slaughter and rip a wizz all over the Yuuzhan Vong's retarded whimpy @$$es!

Originally posted by jackstain
snake eyes is an idiot. Thats for sure. Maul would destroy kyp durron in 2 minutes, and then slaughter and rip a wizz all over the Yuuzhan Vong's retarded whimpy @$$es!

Wow, if you only knew how dumb you sound. First you insult me, without knowing anything about me except for my opinion on a fictional fight. Then use grammar that doesn't even make sense. I think people like you should be elminated from this planet, making it a smarter and better place.

Just because i embarrassed you in front of all your nerdy thread buds, doesn't mean you have to get your panties in a bunch. Settle down killer. The point is, not how cleverly you can defend yourself (which wasn't that cleverly). The point is Darth Maul would beat up on Kyp Durron and the Yuuzhan Vong. ok? jeeze....

Nerfarous, you should stick to the non-EU sections, man. You tend to uphold the movie canon and shoot down everything else, whether it be game, book, or www.starwars.com.

well, i've read most of the books, played the games and read what starwars.com has. i'm sorry that i trust george lucas (the creator) and the movies (star wars beginnings) above everything else, it just seems logical

bumped from the grave when it should have been debated more...

I'm surprised I didn't rip into Nefarus for this one.

I was bored and decided to dig up these old threads.

So we see. . .

Ahhhh, it feels good reading my old posts.

Doesn't it?

I came to this place not knowing anything more than KOTOR I and II and the movies through until AOTC.

Yarr, Janus added a new layer to his sig.

Darth Maul will win, and quickly, I think. He is an engine of pure hatred. He is trained by the Emperor, he knows what he wants, he killed Qui-Gon Jinn, who is stated to be one of the best Jedi of his time, he almost killed Obi-Wan and again, almost, defeated Darth Vader himself (in Star Wars Tales 9).
Durron is cool and he is powerful, but he is neither Kenobi, nor Vader. He will lose.

i'm sayin kyp could take maul i mean kyp is way more powerful than him with the force. he's second to luke in the NJO and the NJO makes luke like janus says a force god which is pretty lame.

Nefarus i must say you are very ignorant yes lucas made starwars abd all but the EU is cannon if you like it or not just cause you don't think kyp would be a master doesnt mean he wasn't. also just because the old jedi council wouldn't permit him after only years of training doesnt mean anyting by then the antire NJO is very unorthadox compared to the Old jedi Order.

not tryin to be a dick but what i say is true if you like it or not.

kyp would smash him like dust

Actually, I redid the whole sig, Illustrious.

wow these guys r more of maul fans then me a luke fan lol

how can u say that maul is that good he got beat by a padawn no matter the reasons he got beat by 1

kyp is a MASTER and he's the most powerful jedi around except 4 a force god that rivals the best ever

he's the second best out of about fifty Jedi. Maul killed Qui-gon, who is above the top two percent.

Um, so? He's second only to Luke. Luke, the uber, OMG PWN3GE Luke. Jacen is his only peer in terms of Force Power, and he is supposedly and extremely good duelist. Maul got a good look at his bottom half after dueling a Padawan. Due to arrogance, yes, but he lost. He got hit in the face by Qui-Gn, a blow that knocked him several stories down. He got his saber chopped in half by Padawan Kenobi. Face it, he's going down, and hard.

And don't forget, there is a vast range of power and skill in your "2nd percentile." Even if he was in the best, oh, two hundred, there is a vast difference between the highest and lowest people in that percentile. Maul was a Sith Lord. I'd say he could beat the majority of the people in that percentile. And even if Jinn is up there, he's pretty low down.

Jinn was called the best jedi swordsman in the novel, I think.

No, he wasn't. He was a great swordsman in his prime, but as of TPM, he's far past that. Never was he remotely close to the best, not when you have Mace, Yoda, Dooku, etc.

Tell this to Terry Brooks.

Who wrote what, exactly?

Originally posted by Darth Sparhawk
Tell this to Terry Brooks.
No, you tell this to Nick Guillard and George Lucas...

Novelisations are nothing more than an author's take on the movies. None of them are canon, and statements like "Obi wan used all his skill to stay alive" or "Qui Gon Jinn was the best swordsman in the Order" are exaggerations with no proof.

Qui-gon is probably in the top ten out of ten thousand people. That beats second out of a group of fifty.

Kyp is a master, Qui-gon is a master. Maul beat a master and a padawon AFTER being ambushed by Sand People on Tatooine.

I think Kyp would win though. At least probably. He is good in melee, but Kyle comes close in saber skill. He has strong force skills, but Jacen can probably give him a hard time in a force fight.

I think that Kyp has become to much of a fighter pilot though and doesnt spend enough time in Jedi training. If he did more Jedi stuff, he would definatly beat Maul.

I know alot about darth maul he was smart enough to know that the jedi in tpm that he faced were skilled enough to block lightning thats why he didn't use it also darth maul was the most skilled with the force he was proggressing faster than sidiouse and took many jedi out before tpm

Maul has never shown the ability to use force lightning to my knowledge. Plus, he took out one Jedi before TMP. He was almost killed by a Padawon on two different occasions. And your now to the point of shouting out crap.

noooo
i read the darth maul bookS so boooooyah

(TEHEHEE)

like what. i have read shadow hunter

maul was a sith apprentice but he was still a sith lord and any sith lord had the power of a jedi master

i dont believe maul is amazing but he would be too strong for durron

so if any sith is an apprentice that autimatiaclly makes him a sith lord? i think not he's just that an apprentice.

Durron is basicly Yoda, but dumber and a little weaker.

durron is a hell of a lot weaker than yoda

not in his potential remeber yoda had 800 years to master the force and learn/grow wise.

yes but he reached his peak probably before he reached 200 and stayed the same for ages and then started getting worse. plus it is completely different with other species and its not like kypt durron is ever gonna reach that age

yoda didn't get worse with age yes his peak was prbably reached hundresds of years ago and he was out of it but his master of the force and wisdom of it only got better in time.

i agree that his wisdom did increase over time but not his mastery of the force. if it really had he would be a lot better than say palpatine

Durron is pretty freakin good. I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to stand against for Yoda for at least as lo0ng as Obi-wan did against Dooku.

Originally posted by tommy vercetti
i agree that his wisdom did increase over time but not his mastery of the force. if it really had he would be a lot better than say palpatine

thx for the agreement but read any other yoda vs palp fight and you'll see why he lost the fight and also mastery over the force doesnt make you a great warrior.

he lost the fight because he was not strong enough to win that is all there were no dissadvantages. you can notice that palpatine can force throw lots of scenery at one time while yoda has to use all hi might to stand up against it

it's always herd to stop somthing being hurled at you then to actually throw it yourself.

like it's easier to get upset or mad than to stay calm and be sophisticated.

tommy boy u don't no what ur talkin about. a sith has the same power as a master how do u figure when maul was beat by a padawn

lol kyp would waste maul so fast he pretty much beat luke when he was a trainee (with alittle help from kun actually quite a bit but still he was chosen by kun who noes power when he sees it) and also even if maul hit him he could just heal himself like he did in champions of the force

Tommy, you obviously know very little of Kyp Durron. And anyone could see that Sidious took the advantage of ground in his duel with Yoda, and still only just won.

Please...

Durron would defeat Maul. Not only that Durron had enough potential to throw Luke through an entire room when he was just testing it - he had also experienced the dark side under Exar Kun studying some Sith powers. Now he was (in JA times) strong enough to:

a) lift an spaceship out of the high gravitation of Yavin
b) nearly kill Luke Skywalker with a force lightning attack - at least he seperated Luke's spirit from his body.

Now we can just go by logic. Sidious was stronger than Maul. Sidious was not strong enough to kill or nearly kill Luke. Kyp Durron did so. Hmm...that makes me think that Kyp is > Sidious who is > Maul.

And I think we are talking about NJO Kyp here who would have gathered more than a decade of experience (lightsaber combat, force knowledge) since the Jedi Academy times.

Maul loses here.

is kyp durron part of the new jedi order

I'm thinking you're definately Tommy's sock.

well you can be suspicious but im not so if you are like thsi all the time i might as well not bother talking to you.

And you've even got his attitude down pat.

Look, if you're not a sock, then I apologize... but until it's verified that you're not (Cue Rex or another mod) then I'm being cautious of you.

Nah, Tommy'd come in with "well if i a sox than you're a ****in' bit*h."

Just what are socks? (Not the ones you wear)

when someone makes more than one account.


this reminds me, DantheMan asked me to tell you he is going on a roadtrip so it will be a while before he can sneak back on.

Um...can socks get you banned? Because if that is so than I got problems.

not your kind of sock. your werent banned to begin with. what DantheMan and HumanVader was doing is socking. I remember Paola saying she knew you werent a spammer sock and that she told Raz and you are fine.

Oh...whew.

Even though kyps annoying and even though NJO is extremely gay in ways that stun me every time i think of them he wins, i'm too tired to list reasons at the moment, i'll pursue it further tomoroow should need be.