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Only sabers.

Luke is PO'ed.

Sidious

Yes, Sidious does win, but it isn't easy. Unless the fight gets screwed by bad decisions by Lucas, and Sidious stabs Luke right away and then kills Vader in 7 seconds... puke

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Sidious

Overlord.

Team.

Vader was 80% of a Sidious who had 20+ more years to fully devote himself to studying the darkside with basically endless resources.
Luke is a beast when he's "PO'ed," and is a very good duelist.

This is just the team that would overpower a more powerful Sidious, had Luke turned to the darkside.

i always wondered what would happen if luke DID join vader in TESB, like after they killed sidious i wonder if luke would have killed his father as well

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Team.

Vader was 80% of a Sidious who had 20+ more years to fully devote himself to studying the darkside with basically endless resources.
Luke is a beast when he's "PO'ed," and is a very good duelist.

This is just the team that would overpower a more powerful Sidious, had Luke turned to the darkside.
True, but if Sidious didn't practice with his lightsaber in those 20+ years, then Vader likely wouldn't be 80% of ROTS Sidious with a blade. With the Force, yeah, but not a blade. "PO'ed" Luke won't help, either, when he's PO'ed he goes beserk and he'll likely do as much damage as he'll do good. So I'm not so sure about your reasoning.

This is actually a tough fight. RotJ Luke and Vader are great, but RotS Sidious is as well. Though, If Sidious did not practice with his blade in those 20+ yrs, the only way he could win is with the Force.

Isn't this ROTS Sidious?

It is, I'm referring to what Darthsith posted.

Sidious, he would only have improved from RotS onwards, and OT vader and Luke just flat out suck.

I don't know, it would be a good match, Vader doesn't suck, he is very good and Luke isn't extremely bad, Yoda and Obi wouldn't have send him to fight Vader and confront the Emperor, if he was so bad.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
I don't know, it would be a good match, Vader doesn't suck, he is very good and Luke isn't extremely bad, Yoda and Obi wouldn't have send him to fight Vader and confront the Emperor, if he was so bad. Agree.

This isn't ROTJ Sidious, its ROTS Sidious. In which case Sidious wins with a definitive victory over the father son team. Luke is a weakling compared to ROTS Sid's and Vader isn't going to be able to defend against Sid's Force lighting for very long, and we all know how Vader fares with being hit by Force lightning. I think Sidious downs Luke in less then 20 seconds a la Kit Fisto then toys with Vader until he decides to kill him.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
This isn't ROTJ Sidious, its ROTS Sidious. In which case Sidious wins with a definitive victory over the father son team. Luke is a weakling compared to ROTS Sid's and Vader isn't going to be able to defend against Sid's Force lighting for very long, and we all know how Vader fares with being hit by Force lightning. I think Sidious downs Luke in less then 20 seconds a la Kit Fisto then toys with Vader until he decides to kill him. But this fight is sabers only.

Ahh yes I missed that. Sidious still takes it. Luke still dies a la Kit Fisto and then Sidious has a decently difficult battle with Vader, but he still wins.

Ya, I think Sidious wins.

I can certainly see Luke and Vader taking this since it's ROTS Sidious. Now, against ROTJ Sidious I think they would lose, but they should have a fair chance here. Vader alone should be able to almost match him in liightsaber combat. With a DS Luke, who is just reakin in raw power, Sidious will probably overwhelmed. That's unless Sidious manages to defeat one of them, probably Luke, with the Force before engaging in a saber fight.

No force is allowed.

Oh, my bad. Luke and Vader should take this then.

But ROTS Sidious is quite good in saber, probably better than himself in ROTJ.

Originally posted by vader11
But ROTS Sidious is quite good in saber, probably better than himself in ROTJ.

Yes, but ROTJ Sidious is quite good in force, probably better than himself in ROTS.

I think Luke deserves a little more credit...

Vader's armor isn't immune to lightsaber damage but it does give him some protection,with that in mind I think he could hold off Sids long enough for the pissed off Luke to finish him off.if that happens,the duo wins,but if Luke attacks his own teammate(This is pissed off Luke here) Them Lord Sidious kills Luke or Vader easly,from here the battle can go a lot of ways.But overall I say the duo has this.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Yes, but ROTJ Sidious is quite good in force, probably better than himself in ROTS.

I think Luke deserves a little more credit...

Yea, i also think Luke deserves more credit, i used to think he is rely bad, but OBi-Wan and Yoda, wouldn't have send him to fight Vader and confront the Empire, if they didn't tought he was ready. But then again, they knew he wasn't as powerful as the Emperor, war they hoping he can redeem Vader and both fight Sidious.