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Yes a team Gauntlet FTW
1. Ventress and Maul
2. ROTS Obi-Wan and Ventress
3. Galen Marek, and TFU Vader
4. CW Grievous and ROTS Dooku
5. Exar Kun and Vodo Siosk Bass
6. ROTJ Sidious, and ROTS Vader
Each event takes place in the Genosian Arena.
They Get full rest

They make it.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
They make it.

Whoops forgot its ROTJ Sidious I still think they make it.....lolz

They still make it. Or, rather, they still have a great chance of doing so. Palpatine, by now, is definitely more powerful than Yoda or Windu, but -- save for two brief duels -- he would not have been seen wielding a lightsaber in canon for roughly thirty seven years. His skills have likely atrophied. And Skywalker, however potent in a lightsaber duel, simply doesn't possess the Force mastery to contend with either Windu or Yoda. But if Palpatine plays it clever and uses his superior command of the Force, he might pull off a win. Anakin'd likely die, though.

Originally posted by Gideon
Palpatine, by now, is definitely more powerful than Yoda or Windu, but -- save for two brief duels -- he would not have been seen wielding a lightsaber in canon for roughly thirty seven years.

he wont need his lightsaber. he could just use his superior force powers to keep either one of them at bay(at the very least). he could disarm Yoda of his lightsaber even more easily than he did in ROTS.. or he could Force Windus lightsaber into his own face like he almost was able to do in ROTS.

Originally posted by Gideon
And Skywalker, however potent in a lightsaber duel, simply doesn't possess the Force mastery to contend with either Windu

So Mr. "I crush the room with a mere scream" doesnt have the Force Mastery to contend with Windu?? maybe not mastery, but he certainly has the Raw Force Power, as long as hes able to keep focus and not worry about Padme dying.
and lets not forget Skywalker defeated Dooku whose Force Mastery is better than Windus. Thereby proving Windus supposedly superior force mastery will not stop Skywalker contending with him.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
he wont need his lightsaber. he could just use his superior force powers to keep either one of them at bay(at the very least). he could disarm Yoda of his lightsaber even more easily than he did in ROTS.. or he could Force Windus lightsaber into his own face like he almost was able to do in ROTS.

It's possible, but I doubt he's just going to rip through someone of Yoda's caliber without effort. And Yoda is the greater swordsman by a notable degree compared to the Emperor at this point.



That's correct. Skywalker is capable of great feats of the Force -- under stress or extreme anger. But his mastery compared to Windu or Yoda? Nonexistent.



Don't be an idiot. Skywalker became an engine of destruction that overpowered Dooku in a lightsaber contest; the Count would still have manhandled Skywalker with the Force.

Originally posted by Gideon
It's possible, but I doubt he's just going to rip through someone of Yoda's caliber without effort. And Yoda is the greater swordsman by a notable degree compared to the Emperor at this point.

my point is he might not need to enagage him in a sword fight, considering how he shot Yodas lightsaber out of his hand seemingly quite effortlessly in ROTS, and by ROTJ his Force Powers are even greater than they were.


Originally posted by Gideon
That's correct. Skywalker is capable of great feats of the Force -- under stress or extreme anger. But his mastery compared to Windu or Yoda? Nonexistent..

Im not talking about Yoda here.. just Windu. If Skywalker goes up against Yoda hes gna lose plain and simple.
Neway he may not need the Mastery with the kind of Raw Power he has in the Force by Windus own admission I believe in Shatterpoint.
Hes used the Force quite effectively in intense fights like when he defeated Durge and also Ventress without using his lightsaber in the end. So theres every chance he might be able to replicate that kind of Raw Power in the Force if he went head to head with Mace, although im pretty sure itd be decided by the saber fight.



Originally posted by Gideon
Don't be an idiot. Skywalker became an engine of destruction that overpowered Dooku in a lightsaber contest; the Count would still have manhandled Skywalker with the Force.

Jeez you do have a short temper dnt u? just throwing round the word idiot with sum1 whose just trying to debate nicely.

I never even said Anakin would beat Dooku in a Force Fight. We saw quite clearly in the animated movie that Dooku wins the Force fight against Anakin very comftorbly, and almost won the all out fight because of that.

I was responding to your comment about Anakin not having the Force Mastery to compete with Mace, and pointing out that it doesnt matter, because he defeated Dooku who has Greater force mastery than Mace, so it wont necessarily even be a factor.

They die at 6. So does Anakin.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
my point is he might not need to enagage him in a sword fight, considering how he shot Yodas lightsaber out of his hand seemingly quite effortlessly in ROTS, and by ROTJ his Force Powers are even greater than they were.


He didn't shoot Yoda's saber out of his hand. Yoda dropped it to catch the force lightning. Regardless, Sidious didn't seem to have a huge advantage when it was hand-to-hand lightning handling between Yoda and himself. So all Yoda does is hold off the lightning, or cause another explosion, where they both fly apart (nothing to fall off of i assume) and then Yoda picks up his saber again, and then what? Anakin's dead by this time, and Palpatine's screwed.




Who cares about the force mastery of these two. Mace isn't going to be doing anything except charging Anakin with a saber. Either way, Anakin dies to mace. (and quickly) Meanwhile Yoda and Sids have stalemated again
(THAT'S the improvement i'll give sidious, that he isn't dead. Remember, he's not going to have the advantage of terrain in this fight that he did in their previous meeting)
then windu helps Yoda kill sidious.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
They make it.

TUF made me like the Emperor so much better...

**** Dark Empire, **** Revenge of the Sith (except the novel). The other renderings of the character make him awesome, those ones make me want to murder things.

TUF? The unifying force? Or do you mean TFU?

The Raping Force... how Anakin came to be.

No, he probably means TFU, but typoed..

Originally posted by Faunus
TUF made me like the Emperor so much better...

Why? Because everything he says you can actually predict before it comes out of his mouth? Who didn't see the whole, "Strike Vader down and take your place at my side" speech? Jesus. This guy is a walking 1-dimensional archetype for a completely repulsive evil villian. He drips stereotype from his dying and decaying body.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Why? Because everything he says you can actually predict before it comes out of his mouth? Who didn't see the whole, "Strike Vader down and take your place at my side" speech? Jesus. This guy is a walking 1-dimensional archetype for a completely repulsive evil villian. He drips stereotype from his dying and decaying body. Because the "actor" channeled original badass Ian McDiarmid, back when the Emperor was cool. Then DE, the PT, a shitload of fanboys with influence on canon, and everything else beat him into the ground.

And jeez, hate more? You're like Lightsnake to Bane.

Well, not quite, but you're close. This forum is so polarized...

McDiarmid's finest moment was the opera scene in RotS, and his scenes were the best part of RotJ. I was embarrassed, though, with his facial expressions and frog impersonations during the scene where he fights Mace and knights Skywalker.

Originally posted by Gideon
McDiarmid's finest moment was the opera scene in RotS, and his scenes were the best part of RotJ. I was embarrassed, though, with his facial expressions and frog impersonations during the scene where he fights Mace and knights Skywalker.

I agree completely, there. I think Sidious came across best in ROTJ...whoever the actor was who played him then.

Nice ass coverage. You're learning. And it was the same actor: Ian McDiarmid.

Originally posted by Gideon
Nice ass coverage. You're learning. And it was the same actor: Ian McDiarmid.

You're serious? 22 years apart? That's...wow. I didn't know that. But yes, I liked the Emperor - a lot. Until the second half of ROTS, and DE, and the numerous books coming out afterwards ruined him. Too much exposure, or something...maybe.

I'm particularly not interested. Palpatine is a compelling villain; someone who first ruled the galaxy by manipulating its peoples into handing him its leadership and second through conquering by force, satisfying my personal requirements that he isn't a complete brute and the diehards who love their "LOLZ I WANT A SMASH SMASH BADDIE!!1!" That he is also deeply, deeply flawed with habitual narcissism and megalomania refusal to submit long after he has been beaten is an interesting concept.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'm particularly not interested. Palpatine is a compelling villain; someone who first ruled the galaxy by manipulating its peoples into handing him its leadership and second through conquering by force, satisfying my personal requirements that he isn't a complete brute and the diehards who love their "LOLZ I WANT A SMASH SMASH BADDIE!!1!" That he is also deeply, deeply flawed with habitual narcissism and megalomania refusal to submit long after he has been beaten is an interesting concept.

He's completely predictable and purely evil...You can pretty much ask yourself, "What's the worst, most evil thing he can do at this point that will make him even more of a villian?" Come up with the answer, read a few pages later - and viola - it'll be realized.

He is one-dimensional. I like my villians to be charming and likable. There's nothing remotely redeeming about Palpatine's character and he is completely repugnant.

I understand that apparently you don't share my views in that regard. But we aren't having an actual debate. I'm attempting to explain my distaste for the character.

Charming and likeable... did Lucas retcon the scene where Palpatine declared the Empire? Guess I missed the thousands of stormtroopers having their blasters trained on the Senators.

Originally posted by Gideon
Charming and likeable... did Lucas retcon the scene where Palpatine declared the Empire? Guess I missed the thousands of stormtroopers having their blasters trained on the Senators.

Pardon me for not specifying something you should clearly have been able to understand:

'Charming and likable to the out-of-universe audience who have already seen the numerous "bad" and ego maniacal, one-dimensional maneuvers Sidious had used to get to such a point.'

There we go.

Stop bitching, really. The fact that he's not shedding years after every murder or acting like a deluded prick in the fashion of every antihero on every angst-filled teenaged novella is something to be held against him? Cute. Like I said, I'm not particularly interested.

Originally posted by Gideon
Stop bitching, really. The fact that he's not shedding years after every murder or acting like a deluded prick in the fashion of every antihero on every angst-filled teenaged novella is something to be held against him? Cute. Like I said, I'm not particularly interested.

Bitching? No. We both liked McDiarmid's performances, save for the parts which you've already stated. I was giving you more insight as to when I stopped liking the character. So, you know, you'd understand my point of view better. Instead of randomly insulting me whenever you feel like it.

You're all bitching. Enyalus, Gideon, Lightsnake; it's absurd. And now I'm bitching about you bitching and also bitching about other people bitching about how amazing everyone else is at bitching.

But you guys sound like idiots. "Palps sux!, no he rox, bain SUX, NO ban has teh dimenshunz, palpy is boring, NOO palps is teh greaetest mos kcoolest evah!"

Jesus.

Of course your not interested, Gideon. Whenever anybody challenges you or outright beats you, you never seemed to reply. You take my(and others) willingness to accept that I'm wrong as conceding in every arguement since you can't accept that somebody can be an ass and intelligent at the same time.

Your on insecurity and my lack of it is why guys like you simply skirt around with a loyal band of cronies who praise in order to give undeserved credit to your opinion. You only side witht he easy-to-defend side and never pick somebody who presents a difficult challenge as losing would damage your oh-so-valued reputation.
Your self-inflated ego is only worsened by the fact that many of the ones who would keep people like you in line are gone.

Great Vengeance, Advent, and Borbarad are the only ones left from that time. You, LS, and that brown-nosing Big S only argue what is shown and have such tunnelvision that you can't concede your favorites losing.

You can only argue what's already been argued a thousand times and when someone comes along and defeats your points or hel, even just one pot, you can't take so you either ignore it as if this uppity "moron" didn't say anything or you hide behind random bullshit that you personally come up with.

In conclusion, these words should have been said LONG ago and and internet forum should NEVER be taken so damn seriously. I know I'm probably going to get banned again, but so what, it's not like this place is in the prime of it's life anymore. No offense to most of you but now I realize why NOBODY took me seriously when Gideon stood up for me.

Originally posted by Faunus
You're all bitching. Enyalus, Gideon, Lightsnake; it's absurd. And now I'm bitching about you bitching and also bitching about other people bitching about how amazing everyone else is at bitching.

But you guys sound like idiots. "Palps sux!, no he rox, bain SUX, NO ban has teh dimenshunz, palpy is boring, NOO palps is teh greaetest mos kcoolest evah!"

Jesus. Yeah... but the internet is serious business.

Originally posted by Faunus
You're all bitching. Enyalus, Gideon, Lightsnake; it's absurd. And now I'm bitching about you bitching and also bitching about other people bitching about how amazing everyone else is at bitching.

But you guys sound like idiots. "Palps sux!, no he rox, bain SUX, NO ban has teh dimenshunz, palpy is boring, NOO palps is teh greaetest mos kcoolest evah!"

.....Lightsnake started it. *points*

He's been at it for a while. Doesn't mean you should join in. You represent me, remember?

Originally posted by Faunus
He's been at it for a while. Doesn't mean you should join in. You represent me, remember?

Damn. Now I feel bad. And I don't even have empathy.

Originally posted by Enyalus
.....Lightsnake started it. *points* Gideon encouraged. I TRIED to stay out of it. You are awesome.

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
Gideon encouraged. I TRIED to stay out of it. You are awesome.

I give all glory and accolades to my master. In his name I do all things.

Except Blaxican's mom. That's all me.

No, she's been molesting me for a few years now... I think I should press charges for Statutory Rape.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I give all glory and accolades to my master. In his name I do all things.

Except Blaxican's mom. That's all me. How do you feel about my longer post adressing Gideon? Who is your master?

Originally posted by Faunus
You're all bitching. Enyalus, Gideon, Lightsnake; it's absurd. And now I'm bitching about you bitching and also bitching about other people bitching about how amazing everyone else is at bitching.

But you guys sound like idiots. "Palps sux!, no he rox, bain SUX, NO ban has teh dimenshunz, palpy is boring, NOO palps is teh greaetest mos kcoolest evah!"

Jesus.

....what am I doing here? I haven't even posted in this thread!

I'm staying far away from discussions regarding Palp as a character, it's BANE I'm bashing!

Yeesh, criticize me if you must, but do it right!

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
How do you feel about my longer post adressing Gideon? Who is your master?

I generally refrain from flaming and trolling. But it was much more polite and well done than other posts I've seen by other members of this subforum.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
....what am I doing here? I haven't even posted in this thread!

I'm staying far away from discussions regarding Palp as a character, it's BANE I'm bashing!

Yeesh, criticize me if you must, but do it right! Which is why, while some hate you, mostly everybody respects you. It's that Gideon can't take criticism or anybody pointing out his flaws that is so damn annoying.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I generally refrain from flaming and trolling. But it was much more polite and well done than other posts I've seen by other members of this subforum. Yeah, it wasn't really a flame so much as me getting tired of him.

Just how spot on was it? I say 9.5/10 but that's biased.

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
Yeah, it wasn't really a flame so much as me getting tired of him.

Just how spot on was it? I say 9.5/10 but that's biased.

I plead the fifth. And claim a mild case of apathy.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I plead the fifth. And claim a mild case of apathy. PM me about then.

Also, that is in itself evidence of guiltevilgrin

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
PM me about then.

Also, that is in itself evidence of guiltevilgrin

Now, now. "Absence of proof is not proof of absence."

I really don't have a problem with anyone on this forum. Except that Sidious66 guy. But only because he's black.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Now, now. "Absence of proof is not proof of absence."

I really don't have a problem with anyone on this forum. Except that Sidious66 guy. But only because he's black. dixie

Now it's time for me to *****.

Why hate on RotS Sidious? He's actually my favorite Sidious incarnation, or at least close to it. I hate DE just as much as the next guy, but, really, in RotS, he's a subtle, manipulative megalomaniac; the final fight with Yoda actually captured the fact that Sidious is INSANE, something a lot of novels seem to forget. He's insane, but still calculating and ruthless. I love the way he talks, constantly controlling everything- I also like the way he taunts and psychologically destroys his enemies. I've always thought that the markings of an ideal villain is the psychological damage he inflicts upon his enemies; in Palpatine's case, it's top-notch.

I get it why some people hate him, though. And damn you bastards for already having played TFU.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Now it's time for me to *****.

Why hate on RotS Sidious? He's actually my favorite Sidious incarnation, or at least close to it. I hate DE just as much as the next guy, but, really, in RotS, he's a subtle, manipulative megalomaniac; the final fight with Yoda actually captured the fact that Sidious is INSANE, something a lot of novels seem to forget. He's insane, but still calculating and ruthless. I love the way he talks, constantly controlling everything- I also like the way he taunts and psychologically destroys his enemies. I've always thought that the markings of an ideal villain is the psychological damage he inflicts upon his enemies; in Palpatine's case, it's top-notch.

When Sidious is talking to Windu and opens his mouth to say the lines, "No... no... no!" ...right there. From there forward through the rest of the movie, Palpatine was lame.

Yeah, he becomes the cliche of cliches.

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
Of course your not interested, Gideon. Whenever anybody challenges you or outright beats you, you never seemed to reply. You take my(and others) willingness to accept that I'm wrong as conceding in every arguement since you can't accept that somebody can be an ass and intelligent at the same time.

Your on insecurity and my lack of it is why guys like you simply skirt around with a loyal band of cronies who praise in order to give undeserved credit to your opinion. You only side witht he easy-to-defend side and never pick somebody who presents a difficult challenge as losing would damage your oh-so-valued reputation.
Your self-inflated ego is only worsened by the fact that many of the ones who would keep people like you in line are gone.

Great Vengeance, Advent, and Borbarad are the only ones left from that time. You, LS, and that brown-nosing Big S only argue what is shown and have such tunnelvision that you can't concede your favorites losing.

You can only argue what's already been argued a thousand times and when someone comes along and defeats your points or hel, even just one pot, you can't take so you either ignore it as if this uppity "moron" didn't say anything or you hide behind random bullshit that you personally come up with.

In conclusion, these words should have been said LONG ago and and internet forum should NEVER be taken so damn seriously. I know I'm probably going to get banned again, but so what, it's not like this place is in the prime of it's life anymore. No offense to most of you but now I realize why NOBODY took me seriously when Gideon stood up for me.

That's just... insanely, insanely beautiful. May I put it into my profile?

By the way, I responded to your points. Can we go into great detail when I get back why you're not to be counted among my superiors? For all the forum to see?

"LOLZ VADER LOST TO ACKBAR ERGO HE'S A MORON!"

Originally posted by Enyalus
When Sidious is talking to Windu and opens his mouth to say the lines, "No... no... no!" ...right there. From there forward through the rest of the movie, Palpatine was lame.

Really? I thought his 'Galactic Empire' speech is one of the best moments of Star Wars, period. He's still pretty awesome.

Originally posted by Gideon
That's just... insanely, insanely beautiful. May I put it into my profile? No.
I've already made it clear that was neither my intention, nor my words.

Endor was the Emperor's loss, not Ackbar's victory.

In a battle, Vader would be more useful, but for a war, I would trust the fishy.

Not going any further as you seem to only use parts and segments of arguements to further your own self-inflated agenda.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Really? I thought his 'Galactic Empire' speech is one of the best moments of Star Wars, period. He's still pretty awesome.

Begrudgingly conceded...although Padme's line is what makes that whole scene. "So this is how liberty dies...to thunderous applause."

Co-signed

Originally posted by Enyalus
Begrudgingly conceded...although Padme's line is what makes that whole scene. "So this is how liberty dies...to thunderous applause."

You really, really, really, really hate Sidious, eh?

It was a BRILLIANT scene, period. "For a safe, and secure society!". Brilliant, simply brilliant.

I would also note that, from what I've seen from Palpatine in scenes from TFU, he was cool in there, too, even if his voice actor is annoying.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
You really, really, really, really hate Sidious, eh?

It was a BRILLIANT scene, period. "For a safe, and secure society!". Brilliant, simply brilliant.

I would also note that, from what I've seen from Palpatine in scenes from TFU, he was cool in there, too, even if his voice actor is annoying.

No, I think the way that he looks and acts during that is too...contrived. Or...something. I can't put my finger on it. IMO, Padme seals it. The part before your quote, about "...will be reorganized into the the First, Galactic, Empire!" was great.

From what I've seen of the TFU scenes, he is pretty cool. I like the mildly glowing eyes touch. But even there, he's pretty much predictable. I mean, you saw the "Yes, yes. He was weak. Strike him down and take your place at my side" thing coming, right?

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
You really, really, really, really hate Sidious, eh?

It was a BRILLIANT scene, period. "For a safe, and secure society!". Brilliant, simply brilliant.

I would also note that, from what I've seen from Palpatine in scenes from TFU, he was cool in there, too, even if his voice actor is annoying.

I liked it, even if it was a little less subtle than I'd have liked. Bush bashing is fun, but getting into contemporary politics narrows a movies range, confining it to a certain era. The OT stayed out of politics (as far as I know) and it is considered a classic. The PT got into anti Bush stuff, which is fun in the short term, but might limit its appeal to future audiences.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
You really, really, really, really hate Sidious, eh?

It was a BRILLIANT scene, period. "For a safe, and secure society!". Brilliant, simply brilliant. I didn't care for it that much. His best scene is probably the opera, but I think my favorite scene in the entire movie is when Anakin is trying to figure out what to do in the Council room. Everything about it was excellent - the acting (for once), the cuts between Anakin and Padme, the "voice" of Palpatine cutting in. It was probably the most well-done drama sequence in the movie.

IMO, the best acting McDiarmid's done in the saga was the line "Oh...I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive..."

Hell, all of him in ROTJ was very superbly done. All to the way to: "So be it. Jedi."

Originally posted by Lightsnake
IMO, the best acting McDiarmid's done in the saga was the line "Oh...I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive..."

Hell, all of him in ROTJ was very superbly done. All to the way to: "So be it. Jedi."

I thought McDiarmid was only in the PT?
Oh well, he's awesome, like Liam Neeson but more so.

No he was the ROTJ Palpatine as well.

How old is that guy?(Damn, even better than Christopher Lee)
He's the friggin shit!

*waits for ox to stop suckin CL's dick and come face him, only to destroy ox with a wave of the hand*

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
No. I've already made it clear that was neither my intention, nor my words.

Really? The following are statements taken from you, verbatim:







First, let us all take a moment and LOL wildly at the nonsensical statement that "neither one of them is good at smart."

Second, you can claim that it wasn't your intention, but rather than rationally explain yourself, you continued the argument -- and those most certainly were your words.



Concession numero uno, thank you. That nullifies your retarded idea that "LOLZ ACKBAR OUTWITTED VADER!!1!" and that somehow it's an indication that Vader was a 'moron' or that he 'wasn't good at smart.'



Concession numero dos, thank you. No one denied that Admiral Ackbar was the superior military tactition and possibly the greater strategist. What I did contest was the idea that Vader was somehow a 'moron' or not 'good at smart' because Ackbar, a true great among military genii, is the greater commander.



Concession numero tres, thank you. This, here, is why no one takes your obsessive diatribe about my supposed inferiority seriously. And while there are certainly those out there who are my equal or better, you're definitely not one of them, much as you'd like to imply it. Welcome to the ignore, and unlike Enyalus, you don't have the saving grace of an actual functioning intellect to warrant my attention. But I appreciate the chuckles and joy you spread as a representation of how low mankind can go.

You need to whip your slave Enyalus. We're all tired of smashing his arguments.

Sup, Blax.

Wow. I think somebody needs a nappy-poo.

Dude, I've already post the facts regardig you.

No 1 gives a fuk about the ignore list.

Dude, my opinion haven't changed, only your feeling toward me just cuz' i don't worship your egotistical ass. Why do you think your a bigshot? This is just another forum, with THOUSAND just like it. So seriuosly, stop trying to make up for shortcoming with your boring and shitty opinions...

Blax, lemme guess, all three of his multiposts refer directly to me. Does he bother making a counterargument?

Originally posted by Gideon
Blax, lemme guess, all three of his multiposts refer directly to me. Does he bother making a counterargument? No. What's the point? Might as well try to teach Bush about the Economy.

Still wrapped up in the glory that is me? How do I generate such obsession in people?

u reed alot and hav axess 2 teh most sorses evar.

+, u hav been kuhrruhpted by teh faunus

Originally posted by Faunus
u reed alot and hav axess 2 teh most sorses evar.

+, u hav been kuhrruhpted by teh faunus

LIES SIR!

u sed so urself


haha, i win buy expozishun.

Originally posted by Faunus
u sed so urself


haha, i win buy expozishun.

Tooshay.

Originally posted by Gideon
Blax, lemme guess, all three of his multiposts refer directly to me. Does he bother making a counterargument?

No, but his Nebaris style tactics that we have all crushed over and over is getting redundant.

Originally posted by Faunus
I didn't care for it that much. His best scene is probably the opera, but I think my favorite scene in the entire movie is when Anakin is trying to figure out what to do in the Council room. Everything about it was excellent - the acting (for once), the cuts between Anakin and Padme, the "voice" of Palpatine cutting in. It was probably the most well-done drama sequence in the movie.

Yeah, that scene is awesome. Slightly LotR-ish, honestly... but the music was brilliant, in any case.

My favorite scene in the whole movie is contested between that part, the Galactic Empire speech/Vader massacring people, perhaps because I love how brilliantly this depicts how the Empire will be- Palpatine is seducing the Senators with words, while his enforcer slaughters his enemies. And the 'You were the Chosen One!' speech. Saddest moment was there for me. Probably the most powerful sequence in the entire saga.

Regarding Palpatine and his portrayal, Star Wars is a tale of archetypes, and on such an epic scale (I mean, come on, this is supposed to take place across an entire galaxy), how could the primary villain be anything less than pure evil? Hence why I disagree with Enyalus's notions that would seemingly remake Palpatine into a pansy-villain, whom after every murder sheds a tear and adopts kittens. That's not the case. Palpatine is to represent how far one can go down the dark path, beyond redemption, beyond salvation. He is the ultimate narcissist and exists only to dominate everything. That is what makes him an interesting character; to see the changes between Senator/Chancellor Palpatine, Darth Sidious, and then the Emperor. While all three are mere alter egos of the same man, they are each portrayed rather differently. As Senator/Chancellor, Palpatine exudes intense charisma. His arguments against the Jedi Order and how good is a point of view were remarkably well structured and prudent. Palpatine won the day in Revenge of the Sith due to sheer charisma; he didn't conquer the galaxy like your typical science fiction warlord/invader -- he made the galaxy willingly hand him its leadership. That is unique. As Darth Sidious, he embodies the ultimate puppet master, manipulating events through a vast intellect and orchestrating the rise of two galactic-spanning regimes in a tragicomedy of a war. Lastly, as Emperor, he transcends intellect and strives for total omniscience, where he plans to one day consume the entire galaxy into his own consciousness and rule eternally as a true god.

But it is his weaknesses and fallibilities that also make him interesting. His obsession with the Skywalker line is profound; as the malignant narcissist, he places himself above all others, yet here he is confronted with a family whose members have the potential to not only equal him but surpass him. It's not enough to just kill them; he has to control them, to break them, and to remake them in his own image. That is why he is constantly looking for a "stronger apprentice." Because he wants power over those who may eventually be stronger than him. And it is where his vision begins to be clouded and more obsessed with the Skywalkers that he loses.

TFU's realization that he fabricated the very rebellion that would eventually destroy him is a superb plot idea, in my opinion. He paid the price for his lack of vision.

So how you don't find that interesting, I'll never know.

Senator/Supreme Chancellor Palpatine was a great villian. He was charming yet clearly....dark. Still a manipulator, still using his keen intelligence. If they had left the character like that, and portrayed him in the same fashion as Darth Sidious and the Emperor (except in ROTJ and TFU, the way he acts there is somewhat necessary to the storyline), I'd have found that much more riveting.



I like that fact about TFU. And it meshes very well with his strategy to lure the entire Rebel Alliance together and crush them at once, in ROTJ.

Weird...

Originally posted by Faunus
Weird...

...Yo momma?

Originally posted by truejedi
He didn't shoot Yoda's saber out of his hand. Yoda dropped it to catch the force lightning.

Why would he do that, when he could have caught the lightning with his saber, but kept his weapon that way. He cleearly just shot Yodas weapon out of his hand.

Originally posted by truejedi
Regardless, Sidious didn't seem to have a huge advantage when it was hand-to-hand lightning handling between Yoda and himself. So all Yoda does is hold off the lightning, or cause another explosion, where they both fly apart (nothing to fall off of i assume) and then Yoda picks up his saber again, and then what?

If he can find his lightsaber.. and assuming Sidious didnt short circuit the handle. and who says Yoda will pick up his weapon again before Sidious does??


Originally posted by truejedi
Who cares about the force mastery of these two. Mace isn't going to be doing anything except charging Anakin with a saber.


My point exactly. Well thats 1 thing we agree on.

Originally posted by truejedi
Either way, Anakin dies to mace. (and quickly)

Really? Argualbly the Most powerful jedi alive in Mace's own opinion, and a level 9 Saber duelist in Nick Gillards opinion, and he dies "quickly". yeah I really see that.