Shade Assassin. [Shadowbane] vs Altair

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Shade rogue assassin with full skills and stat spread, takes place in Jerusalem, they're assigned to kill each other, and start at opposite ends with no clue of the enemy's position.

MooCowofJustice
Altair, because he's roamed the streets of Jerusalem and other cities of that area for many years.

And I don't know anything about Shadowbane.

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Shades have somethign called witch sight which makes them very hard to sneak up on, they can see what others can't, and assassins in shadowbane use magic from the 'void' to kill their victims. They can cause blindness and steal the breath of their victims.

MooCowofJustice
Then why did you make this thread? >_>

Altair's only chance sounds like a stealth kill, which will not happen because of the Witch Sight. So he's stuck with using his throwing knives.

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Because Shades aren't very durable, a bit frailer than a man, not by much.

Edit: I also gave Altair the home field advantage, and a Shade will have a harder time blending in because they're so pale with black eyes.

MooCowofJustice
Well, then I'm going to give Altair the win with a distanced throwing knife.

Incanus
Ok, im gonne give a fanboy answer and a normal one. here goes for fanboy: Altair wins because of his home field advantage, his many years of training, the fact he can jump off a roof and stab a guy in a vital organ 100% of the time, with no time to look for it, his eagle vision which sorts out friends and foes, and the fact he has many skills,m including climbing buildings, swords, short blades, his hidden blade, and his throwing knives. Also, his method of finding his targets.
normal: Altair looks cool and pwns all Templars so he pwns this guy.



wait, switch those around.

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I'm gonna give the Shade a few more wins than 50:50. The fact that it has magic on it's side and can blind Altair, makes this Shade's favour in combat.

Incanus
But Altair has Eagle Vision, which is something apart from his normal vision He can pick the shade out in a crowd, or still see him. And Altair would hear him as well.

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Shade has witch sight.

Not to mention a magical bolt of cold which stuns it's target for a second.

Incanus
Assassins Crred never died, its still selling on shelf after 2 years of being released =-p

Altair has also shown to be fast enough to be able to avoid a sword balde, arrows, and the like. He also can react very fast, as demonstrated by his counter-kills. Fast enough to kill with a single stroke.

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Shadowbane is an MMO from 2002 which Ubisoft provided for free until 2009. Altair was probably based on the assassin from this game, and infact, his clothes resemble the assassin armour.

Assassins in shadowbane can literally steal your breath at range, slowing your movements and killing you. Shades can see invisible and hidden enemies with witchsight, and are super-humanly agile and fast. Just a bit frail.

Edit: also, the game's lore is made of win.

Incanus
Altair has been shown to fall like, 300 feet in a free fall and live, by landing in a cart of hay. I dont think some1 so frail could do that, he would be going to the "view points" all around, and find him like that. And he would find a way to assassinate him. I dont think they based Altair off of a guy from a MMO.

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It's the exact same company, and his outfit resembes the assassin armour. Just thought I'd highlight that Altair is the spiritual descendant of shadowbane assassins.

Annd, he can fall as far as he likes, empty lungs are fatal.

Incanus
True, but he has shown the ability to be able to strike silently, lethally, 100% of the time, in a way that no one notices. How would the assassin see him comiing from above him, when his blade is 1 inch from his jugular? He could even walk up to him, as Altair also can blend into any crowd, and not be seen as an enemy, even by alerted guards right next to him. The shadow assassin would have to be a Templar to see him anywhere. Otherwise, the blade goes into his neck or stomach. You are also forgetting, Altair lived during the crusades, when a guard see this assassin of yours, he would attack it calling it a demon, because pale skin+ black eyes +highly religious guards= a demon being attacked.

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Witch sight alerts shades to the presence of everyone around him, as soon as Altair jumped off of the ledge, the Shade would already be reacting.

Assassins in SB can also use magic to become literally invisible.

This demon angle may be a problem though.

Incanus
Eagle vision pretty much see the souls of people. Thats how he can tell friend from foe just by looking around. And you still havnt explained how he can avoid being called a demon. He wouldnt recognize Altair either.

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As per the OP, he knows who Altair is, as he's assigned to kill him. He'll recognise Altair. Witchsight ensures that he'll see Altair before Altair can attack.

Also, Shades are rumoured not to have souls, according to the Ubi chronicle.

Incanus
Hmmm. I dont know how to rebuke that, but I must say you have made a good case. But you forgot one thing: It dose not say he knows who he is, just that he is assigned to kill him. Can the Shade react in time to stop the blade that is 1 inch from his stomach? I would give Altair the advantage due to the fact that he would know who the shade is when he looks through eagle vision. I dont think a rumor can be used in a versus fight. It would not be considered real.

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Well, there's debate over whether Shades have souls. The reason they exist supposedly, being that they're born to human parents, is that the void devours their soul before they're born.

And when woudl the knife get that close to the Shade? and how would a Shade be assigned to kill someone if he didn't know who they were? o.O

They'll spot each other at range, then the fight begins. I give it to the Shade mor e often than not because of magic.

Incanus
Would the shade have to stop combat for even a second to use said magic? If he did, i would give it to Altair due to action and reaction times, and skill with a blade. Btw, he walks up and stabs him, like a low-profile kill. Altair killed peopel with no knowledge of their appearance, only their names and city they were in. I would think that shows superior quality as an assassin if the shade has to have a physical description.

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How is he going to get to the Shade without being noticed?

Incanus
He blends into a group of scholars.

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Witchsight.

Incanus
Witch sight seems to be omnipotent. Plz explain it uses and all. But you havnt answered my question of the magic=exiting the fight thing. That would be a major factor.

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Witchsight is a magical ability of shades to see things others cannot, be it through disguises, people hiding, or even invisible beings. IE, you can't hide from a Shade, it makes them excellent assassins.

And.. Magic = exiting the fight? What? He could just steal Altair's breath, blind him, or use pass-wall to teleport ontop of a church and rain shadowbolts on him.

Incanus
No, iwas wondering if he had to do some few second ritual thingy to do it. Altair can also survive for long enough to put his sword in the shades stomach without breathing. He may not even breathe, as he is silent and breathing makes noise, I think he does though.

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Ofcoure he breathes, he's human. Anyway, a being with no breath in it's lungs doesn't move as fast as any healthy Shade, and he could easily kite Altair out. And yes, there is a very short casting time on steal breath, it takes 0.2 seconds, I believe. Not fast enough for Altair to react with anything more than a "crap!", and it can be cast at a distance of 50 meters. Altair could presumably break int oa run in that time, but the Shade could outrun him.

Incanus
Altair would have his blade about halfway to the shade. He has shown to slice in about 1 second in a lethal manner.

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A slice at 50 meters?

Incanus
Not 50 meters, but a throwing knife in his throat, yes.

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Ever tried throwing a knife a hundred anf fifty feet accurately? Let alone with the breath in your lungs literally stolen, eh. The Shade would react to it at that distance anyway, a normal person could, infact. It only takes a quarter of a second for the average person to react to a falling object or the like.

Incanus
And you are forgetting that Altair has trained years to perfect his physical strength and all that, he can throw that far. Besides, Altair would react as if he was holding his breath, he would run up, throwing knives along the way, and kill the shade with his sword at close range.

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And the Shade in this scenario hasn't trained for a long time and experienced combat? We're talking about a master assassin, he steals Altair's breath at range, dodges thrown knives, or simply steps aroudn a corner. Altair's got oh.. a minute during which he can function on any worthwile level? Tops, he'll die in three. The Shade can best him in combat easily in that state.

Incanus
Yeah, i lose. These Shades are way to overpowered and must be killers of parties. How about without magic? Who would win?

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Without magic I'm inclined to call it fifty fifty, dead on, it'd simply be two master assassins trying to stick a knife between the other's ribs first. The Shade is a bit weaker, but more agile and faster.

But yeah, The more I think about the assassin's magic, the more I think it's a bit unfair.

Incanus
Does the magic call upon anything? If so, it wouldnt work due to it not existing.

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/headdesk. If the Shade can exist in Altair's universe, so can it's magic. It's a magical being by definition.

Shade's are only born to human parents after a catastrophic even in Aerynth known as "The Turning", they're likened to undead, and are cold to the touch. They do not have enough life force to pass on and create children, they are sterile. This is another part of the no soul argument. They cannot be blinded, and are linked to the void, and are the only race capable of becomign Shroudborne. Essentially masters of death and the chill of the grave, they make excelletn necomancers and assassins. =D

Incanus
Fanboy: Altair pwns him like all the Templars.
Not Fanboy: Aaltair has the skill of 20 years or more under his hood, acrobatic skills the likes of which no one else can replicate, and skill with a blade rivaled by very few. The Shade would be branded as a demon essentially, and be hunted by many. I honestly still dont think it would win, but i still lose =-(

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The Shade could hide from anyone who isn't Altair... Though being distracted by a bunch of Templar could cause him some serious problems, should they interfere, but by then, Altair's breath would already be stolen.

Incanus
Nah, Altair would hold his breath so it cant be solen. He would breathe sparingly, as the Shade would have to gather information on Altair.

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Holding your breath doesn't stop the spell =P

Incanus
heheh but if hes not breathing, can he really have breath which dosnt exist, taken? And does the shade have to maintain concecntration to do it. All Altair has to do is kill him, or yell"Demon! He cast evil magicks on me!"and point. Then would come the guards.


btw the magicks was how they spelled it in that era

MooCowofJustice
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Holding your breath doesn't stop the spell =P

Ima smash you.

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There's no concentration required, he simply casts it on you, and you cannot breathe. Then he disappears before the gaurds can even think to chase him.

Incanus
Ok, so im gonan start in fanboy mode now that my normal argument has lost: here goes: ALTAIR PWNS THEM, HE PWNED ALL THOSE GUYS IN ASSASSINS CREED SO HE CSAN PWN WHATEVER YOU THROW AT HIM BECAUSE HE PWNS!!!!

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