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It should be one though fight. Would love to hear some arguments on this.

Both combatants are in their strongest incarnations.

All out

Who is the superior sith?

Krayt could win quite solidly depending on how you view his Apocalypse showings and how they affect his portrayal in Legacy. If we go just by Legacy, Vader wins in a very close fight, IMO.

Well...

Krayt's peak is during Apocalypse. NOT in Legacy. Apoc Krayt takes Vader. Legacy Krayt loses.

How is Reborn Krayt not his peak? The Yuuzhan Vong implants no longer hinder him at all, + he is more experienced and steeped in the darkside by Legacy: War. He stomps Cade with utter ease and only dies due to PIS.

I don't see how he could have been better during Apocalypse.

I didn't either, but the Krayt that gets killed by Cade is just flat out weaker then the one that stands at Luke's side fighting Aboleth. It doesn't have to make sense, sadly. Facts are facts.

Thus far you haven't listed any facts.

Apoc Krayt<= Luke
Reborn Krayt<Cade

Luke>>Cade

Hence, Apoc Krayt>Reborn Krayt.

Since when is Cade > Krayt ?

Since never.

Well, Cade won.

Having not read Legacy, I tend to side with people who win, unless I see evidence of PIS.

No, he got his ass kicked. Krayt killed him and brought him back to life, expecting that the experience would turn him to the darkside and Cade sucker-stabbed him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, he got his ass kicked. Krayt killed him and brought him back to life, expecting that the experience would turn him to the darkside and Cade sucker-stabbed him.

And even then, he had to throw Krayt's body into a star to keep him down.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, he got his ass kicked. Krayt killed him and brought him back to life, expecting that the experience would turn him to the darkside and Cade sucker-stabbed him.
That sucks. It would be really cool to see Cade go all oneness on Krayt.

Who do you guys think is the better duelist here?

I say Krayt, but most people don't seem to be as impressed with his duel against Kenobi as I am, and then his one panel blitz of a group of Imp Knights.

Even if he didn't improve at all from the Kenobi fight, he would give Vader a good duel imo.

Krayt could very well be on Vader's level as a duelist, tbh. Vader's saber feats really aren't that far ahead of Krayt's, if at all.

Listen to them.
Krayt : "May my backside story is more fanon, but I'm still the more bad ass.
You're bad assness is nothing compare to the true Dark Lord of the sith. Not mere darksider with just the titlethat remain sith."
Yhea sinious you are right.
This is a straigh and tough fight of badassness.

Vader in a good fight

Krayt's basically got Dooku+ level TK, noticeably superior FL, mastery of DT/Shatterpoint that trumps Cade's, high-class Telepathic abilities, and a variety of other Sith Powers at his disposal. I'd contend he's certainly a rival of Vader's as far as the Force goes, IIRC Luke found Krayt's power to be reminiscent of Vader's as well.

Originally posted by Trocity
I say Krayt, but most people don't seem to be as impressed with his duel against Kenobi as I am, and then his one panel blitz of a group of Imp Knights.

Even if he didn't improve at all from the Kenobi fight, he would give Vader a good duel imo.

Yeah, actually giving Kenobi a decent fight way before his prime doesn't look too good for Vader.


Originally posted by NewGuy01
Krayt's basically got Dooku+ level TK, noticeably superior FL, mastery of DT/Shatterpoint that trumps Cade's, high-class Telepathic abilities, and a variety of other Sith Powers at his disposal.

He has more abilities at his disposal but perhaps lacks the raw power that Vader has.

Having Dooku+ level TK means Vader can't take him out with his TK as telekinetic abilities won't get the job done if the defending opposition has comparable power. In other areas of force abilities, Krayt seems to have an advantage.

If Vader isn't actually a better duelist, I'm leaning Krayt at this point.

I'll get to dueling abilities tomorrow, tbh.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Krayt's basically got Dooku+ level TK, noticeably superior FL, mastery of DT/Shatterpoint that trumps Cade's, high-class Telepathic abilities, and a variety of other Sith Powers at his disposal. I'd contend he's certainly a rival of Vader's as far as the Force goes, IIRC Luke found Krayt's power to be reminiscent of Vader's as well.

It's seem than people studying sith holocron and technic during years and years have the same level of power...

Guess who done the same in less than 3 years?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'll get to dueling abilities tomorrow, tbh.

Still waiting...

Forgot.

Lies.

Darth Krayt soundly

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Lies.

Interesting. Why am I lying? What ulterior motives do I have in mind?

We all know of your nefarious deeds, NewG.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Interesting. Why am I lying? What ulterior motives do I have in mind? World domination, obviously.

I find Vader one of the hardest fighters to judge precisely, due to writer's opinions on him varying and seeming to change over time.


Early writers not knowing he was the chosen one rather than just a strong master. Different writers having different opinions on how much his cybernetics hold him back, etc..