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Geoff Johns Justice Society vs. Dc's greatest heroes.

1. In character
2. Bloodlusted

1. Superman
2. Wonderwoman
3. Hal Jordan
4. Barry Allen
5. Zatanna

vs.


1. Captain Marvel
2. Powergirl
3. Sentinel
4. Jay Garrick
5. Dr. Fate (Hector)

JSA

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
JSA

How?

The JSA has Alan and Hector, but also the two weakest characters. I can see Zatanna and Hal doing better against Sentinel and Hector, but I can't say the same for Karen or Jay against Diana and Barry... Or Diana and Zatanna can switch partners. Just curious who the JSA wins.

Originally posted by aztec
How?

The JSA has Alan and Hector, but also the two weakest characters. I can see Zatanna and Hal doing better against Sentinel and Hector, but I can't say the same for Karen or Jay against Diana and Barry... Or Diana and Zatanna can switch partners. Just curious who the JSA wins.

Alan and Hector are significantly beyond both Hal and Z, imo.

Karen's also at least as strong and fast as Wonder Woman, as commented by Diana herself. Diana has the skills and equipment, though. Barry's better than Jay, true. And Cap and Superman are pretty much equals.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Alan and Hector are significantly beyond both Hal and Z, imo.

Karen's also at least as strong and fast as Wonder Woman, as commented by Diana herself. Diana has the skills and equipment, though. Barry's better than Jay, true. And Cap and Superman are pretty much equals.



I wouldn't say Hector and Alan are significantly beyond Hal or Zee. Prior to the reboot, Zatanna did well against a Sun eater, Black lantern, Despero and Amazo. I think she could hold her own against Hector. The same could be said about Hal. I recently read Geoff Johns run on the JSA (Black Vengeance, Black Reign, Mixed Signals, and I believe the last one is called Stealing Thunder). Yes, Alan accomplished crafty feats, but so has Hal. Alan had his a** handed to him by Black Adam. (I was dissapointed seing as Alan is suppose to be Teth's superior). Once again, Zee and Jordan aren't overpower. Just my opinion.


Please reread Wonder Woman #34. Yes, Diana commented that Karen was a formidable opponent, but once Diana got serious she easily schooled Powergirl. Everything Karen's done, Diana's can do better. If we compare feats, Diana is Karen's superior. You can't based your assumption on just one fight.

Originally posted by aztec
I wouldn't say Hector and Alan are significantly beyond Hal or Zee. Prior to the reboot, Zatanna did well against a Sun eater, Black lantern, Despero and Amazo. I think she could hold her own against Hector. The same could be said about Hal. I recently read Geoff Johns run on the JSA (Black Vengeance, Black Reign, Mixed Signals, and I believe the last one is called Stealing Thunder). Yes, Alan accomplished crafty feats, but so has Hal. Alan had his a** handed to him by Black Adam. (I was dissapointed seing as Alan is suppose to be Teth's superior). Once again, Zee and Jordan aren't overpower. Just my opinion.


Please reread Wonder Woman #34. Yes, Diana commented that Karen was a formidable opponent, but once Diana got serious she easily schooled Powergirl. Everything Karen's done, Diana's can do better. If we compare feats, Diana is Karen's superior. You can't based your assumption on just one fight.

She could hold her own against the rookie Hector. The same Hector who was taking it to Mordru, not so much. Z's good, but she's always been just a step or two (or several) behind Fate. Alan packs more power than Hal by a good deal. Hal himself has admitted he doesn't want to fight Alan, and with the power of the Starheart at Alan's command, I don't blame him. Alan's gotten progressively more powerful as time progressed, and there was a time that Hal could hang with him, but that time has since passed a while ago.

I'm pretty familiar with both the issue and both characters. Diana used her superior skill to beat Karen who was mind controlled. She has the better feats, yes, but in a direct comparison against the two as far as strength and speed was concerned, Karen was given the nod that she was at least her equal. I'm not assuming anything, but stating what was said and shown. Physicality is a wash between the two, but Diana is the better fighter and has gear to further slide things in her favor.

Fate and Alan tips things in favor for the JSA, imho.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fate and Alan tips things in favor for the JSA, imho.

JLA barely. Superman beats marvel, hal drops a roof on alan, diana schools karen again, Barry stomps Jay, Zee stalemates hector. For people underselling Z, she summoned spectre while weakened effortlessley when even Phantom stranger couldn't.

is the starheart in play

For all the power alan and hector posseses, they were portrayed quite vulnerable to physical attacks. JLA could easily exploit that vulnerability.

JLA Wins.

Alan and Hal =

Zatanna is more than capable of handling herself and Barry trumps Jay

Alan > Hal

Seriously.

alan at the height of his power is beyond hal. same with dr. fate and zatanna. jsa wins.

JSA takes the first one.

JLA takes the second due to Barry and Supes IMO.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Alan > Hal

Seriously.

I know jake but hal can tag along long enough to give someone like Barry enough time to do this.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/jayblitz.jpg

Barry is many times faster than jay, hell even kal is faster than Jay. Alan's record against physical threats is very poor, gentleman ghost once put him in coma by dropping a roof on him. Hector is also portrayed as quite vulnerable to physical assaults.

Hector wasn't as vulnerable to physical attacks when he grew in power.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Alan > Hal

Seriously.

True, but on average it isn't by a whole lot imo.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Hector wasn't as vulnerable to physical attacks when he grew in power.

I don't think he ever tanked a superman level attack, did he?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think he ever tanked a superman level attack, did he?

I heard he became an energy being just like Kent Nelson. And Kent Nelson tanked a ton of physical attacks. To the point where he was near immune to physical attacks.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I heard he became an energy being just like Kent Nelson. And Kent Nelson tanked a ton of physical attacks. To the point where he was near immune to physical attacks. We are not talking about hector as he was at the end of his career, then this match would be spite. I am talking about his early and learning process portrayals.

Ahhhh, never mind.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We are not talking about hector as he was at the end of his career, then this match would be spite. I am talking about his early and learning process portrayals. Hector towards the end was nigh if not outright cosmic level... I wouldn't consider him a feasible character for even trans level teams to fight when he was at his peak. It would be like telling a team of Heralds to face down a full starheart Alan or a future Mordru. Just not reasonable to use in a team fight.

Originally posted by aztec
Geoff Johns Justice Society vs. Dc's greatest heroes.

1. In character
2. Bloodlusted

1. Superman
2. Wonderwoman
3. Hal Jordan
4. Barry Allen
5. Zatanna

vs.


1. Captain Marvel
2. Powergirl
3. Sentinel
4. Jay Garrick
5. Dr. Fate (Hector)

Well, most matchups are going to favor the JLA team. Superman and Captain Marvel is more or less a push, Wonder Woman has the edge on Power Girl as of their last fight, Hal has the strong edge on the habitually under performing Sentinel in every incarnation but one, Jay is badly outclassed by Barry.

But Hec being Dr. Fate in a post Fate mini series incarnation, could well tip the scales in the JSA favor.

On the other hand, earlier versions of the character might very well lose out to the more capable, more experienced Zatanna.

JSA

JSA, but not by much

Toss up.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
She could hold her own against the rookie Hector. The same Hector who was taking it to Mordru, not so much. Z's good, but she's always been just a step or two (or several) behind Fate. Alan packs more power than Hal by a good deal. Hal himself has admitted he doesn't want to fight Alan, and with the power of the Starheart at Alan's command, I don't blame him. Alan's gotten progressively more powerful as time progressed, and there was a time that Hal could hang with him, but that time has since passed a while ago.

I'm pretty familiar with both the issue and both characters. Diana used her superior skill to beat Karen who was mind controlled. She has the better feats, yes, but in a direct comparison against the two as far as strength and speed was concerned, Karen was given the nod that she was at least her equal. I'm not assuming anything, but stating what was said and shown. Physicality is a wash between the two, but Diana is the better fighter and has gear to further slide things in her favor.

Fate and Alan tips things in favor for the JSA, imho.

Once again, I have to disagree with you. Although, I consider Hector the superior of the two, it isn't by a large margin. From what I've gathered Hector was doing well in Geoff Johns run, however, Nabu was screwing with the Helmet. Yes, he pulled pretty crafty feats, but nothing Zatanna hasn't accomplished: teleportation, flight, strength, durability, spells etc.. As mentioned before, Zatanna was able to knock out Starbreaker a suneater, who was pounding the entire Justice League. Sure, she didn't take him out completely, but nevertheless, was able to harm him. In Blackest Night, Zee was also able to counterattck her father's spells, when he was posses by a Black Lantern ring.

Jordan has progressively improven aswell. Let's not forget that Alan has a hard time with Black Adam.

Once again, Diana dominated Karen when she wasn't holding back. Powergirl was unable to land a single punch when Diana used her superior speed, maneuvarability and martial arts. If I remember correctly, Karen came rushing in and started pummeling Diana. Inevitably, Diana realized that Karen was under mind control and faced her head on.

Can you name a couple of examples where Hector is greater than Zatanna? I'm not doubting you, just haven't read all of his apperances. I own four trades of Geoff John's run on the JSA. I have yet to read the whole run, but I'm liking it better than Morrison's JLA.