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Ok, Lets just say Hulk beat the shit out of juggernaut and took the gem from him. Cytorrak sees Hulk is a way better host.

Now Professor X and Mr.Fantastic have worked together and figured the only way to stop him is to bring in extra help, so they build a device that bridges marvel with DC..

So now we have both universes working together to stop Hulk with cytorrak avatar powers..


Who can stop him?

Anything goes.

If Hulk is intelligent, virtually no one can stop him.

dr. fate, strange, zatanna, asgard kid whatever his name is..... and various other magic users

Thor and Surfer no need to get anyone else involved

Hulk's powers overlap with Juggs' quite a bit. It's an upgrade, sure, but not a big one. You're just basically looking at a more insanely durable and strong character. He would do more with a versatility upgrade.

And there's plenty of beings in either universe that could solo him, let alone entire universes of them.

Originally posted by Digi
Hulk's powers overlap with Juggs' quite a bit. It's an upgrade, sure, but not a big one. You're just basically looking at a more insanely durable and strong character. He would do more with a versatility upgrade.

The gem does grant versatile powers, Juggs doesn't/can't use them.

Originally posted by Mindset
The gem does grant versatile powers, Juggs doesn't/can't use them. yep...hence why I said juggerhulk would be quite powerful if this was an intelligent hulk (say WWH) who could actually tap into the potential of cytorrak. I could see that type of juggerhulk being potentially skyfather level.

Would Hulk be in fact a little weaker, since his rage amp might not trigger all that often with Super Durability?

But Juggernaut is always strong enough to take on anyone he fights physically, so he would start the fight out strong enough, then get stronger. And Scar had some wicked durab-healing factor, but still.

BFR :-/ Too many ppl can do this to Juggerhulk.

if hulk beats juggernaut and takes his power, wouldn't it be at least possible for someone to beat hulk and take it also?

i'm just playing.

mystically he should be able to be stopped, physically it would be quite asinine to step to him with physical stats like that. cyttorak would love bruce banner to be his avatar, banner/hulk has inner rage and drive (especially in the storyline) that would imo have cyttorak give banner even more power than he gives cain on a regular basis.

I think BFR wouldn't really be a tactic if JuggerHulk had access to all of his abilities, and the abilities that that little boy displayed. Punch him away, he punches a hole in our dimension, and ends up falling on top of the person who hit him. He could probably walk back on the air.

And nobody has really magically stopped Juggernaut before, all I can think of is Thor taking away his durability for 60 seconds.

Only these characters can stop him:

Black Adam
Surfer
Thanos
Galactus
Iron Fist
Dr Doom

That team working together or solo would stop him. Everyone else is useless.

Iron Fist ftp

How can Iron Fist and Doom do any damage to him at all?

Black Adam is way faster than him, and could try BFR, but his punches aren't hurting Bruce.

With his full powers, he could probably use energy manipulation to level the field with Surfer, but he's still physically stronger than him.

Galactus I actually see stopping him by some weird method that you would never think of.

Originally posted by KingD19
How can Iron Fist and Doom do any damage to him at all?

Black Adam is way faster than him, and could try BFR, but his punches aren't hurting Bruce.

With his full powers, he could probably use energy manipulation to level the field with Surfer, but he's still physically stronger than him.

Galactus I actually see stopping him by some weird method that you would never think of. Because he can encase his hand in a chi energy that makes his punches more powerful.

Doom via magic and blasts.

Black Adam doesn't care.

And then Surfer cuts him off from the Gamma, and then absorbs the enchantment.

Galactus moves his hand in a clockwise wave like motion. Hulkernaut dies.

Yeah, but regular Hulk has taken a fully amped punch from Danny and not even felt it. If he's mixed with Juggernaut, he's completely invincible, so there's really nothing Iron Fist can do.

Doom's magic is nowhere near powerful enough to mess with Cytorrak's enchantments. To do that, you'd have to be more powerful than Cytorrak himself, and possibly directly confront him to mess with his avatar, which in this case is JuggerHulk.

Black Adam indeed doesn't care, but the only tactic he has, is BFR, which considering the many weird and off the wall powers that Juggernaut has displayed throughout his career, BFR probably wouldn't work, he has too many ways to get back, or outright stop him.

Surfer's powers don't work that way.

Galactus will beat him, but it ain't that easy.

Originally posted by plutomic
Ok, Lets just say Hulk beat the shit out of juggernaut... Nobody else got a problem with this??

I wasn't gonna say anything. Let him have his fun.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, but regular Hulk has taken a fully amped punch from Danny and not even felt it. If he's mixed with Juggernaut, he's completely invincible, so there's really nothing Iron Fist can do.

Doom's magic is nowhere near powerful enough to mess with Cytorrak's enchantments. To do that, you'd have to be more powerful than Cytorrak himself, and possibly directly confront him to mess with his avatar, which in this case is JuggerHulk.

Black Adam indeed doesn't care, but the only tactic he has, is BFR, which considering the many weird and off the wall powers that Juggernaut has displayed throughout his career, BFR probably wouldn't work, he has too many ways to get back, or outright stop him.

Surfer's powers don't work that way.

Galactus will beat him, but it ain't that easy. Daniel is powered up.

Victor is powered up.

Black Adam gets a powerup from not caring.

Surfer is powered up.

Galactus is powered down.

does BFRing him into the depths of the universe as "stopping him"?

So what IF is powered up, he still doesn't have enough to down regular Hulk, let alone a Hulk with WWH's mindset, strength, and durability, on top of Juggernaut's durability, strength, unstoppable momentum, indestructibility, and all his other powers.

Doom is powered up enough to take down Cytorrak? He can't take down regular Juggernaut, he has no chance.

I hope you're kidding, he still can't do jack sh*t.

Not enough to take JuggerHulk down.

Galactus wins, but he'll be pissed at the end of the day.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
does BFRing him into the depths of the universe as "stopping him"?

Usually yes, but he can easily punch his way back.

Originally posted by KingD19
So what IF is powered up, he still doesn't have enough to down regular Hulk, let alone a Hulk with WWH's mindset, strength, and durability, on top of Juggernaut's durability, strength, unstoppable momentum, indestructibility, and all his other powers.

Doom is powered up enough to take down Cytorrak? He can't take down regular Juggernaut, he has no chance.

I hope you're kidding, he still can't do jack sh*t.

Not enough to take JuggerHulk down.

Galactus wins, but he'll be pissed at the end of the day. Yes he is.

He took down the Marquis, and regular Doom has enough power.

I'm not. He can.

He has too much power.

He'll be pissing out gamma.

Prove it.

Reality warpers always get taken down, they have to be, otherwise they would just be unstoppable.

What can Black Adam do? Please, enlighten me.

No Surfer doesn't, not when JuggerHulk can access the full abilities of the enchantments Cytorrak granted him.

Why do you keep talking about Galactus, I already said he wins, but somebody as powerful as JuggerHulk is skyfather level, he doesn't go down without a fight.

Originally posted by KingD19
Prove it.

Reality warpers always get taken down, they have to be, otherwise they would just be unstoppable.

What can Black Adam do? Please, enlighten me.

No Surfer doesn't, not when JuggerHulk can access the full abilities of the enchantments Cytorrak granted him.

Why do you keep talking about Galactus, I already said he wins, but somebody as powerful as JuggerHulk is skyfather level, he doesn't go down without a fight. He pwned an explosion that would have made Hiroshima look like a sparkler. He would bust Hulk's gullet open.

That logic applies for everyone.

What can't he do is a better one.

I can assure you, he does.

Why do you keep talking, I already said who wins, but somebody as weak as JuggerHulk is below these guys, he goes down without a fight.

EDIT: Oh ya, Batman wins too.

You're actually taking yourself seriously aren't you????

Juggernaut, one of the most physically powerful beings in the universe, unstoppable momentum, true invulnerability, about a billion other ill defined yet very powerful abilities, like punching through dimensions, walking on air. He can cast high end spells, use energy manipulation, abosrb and redirect energy, etc... I can go on.

Hulk, another of the physically strongest in the universe, insane durability and healing factor, strength amping, environmental adaptation.

Mix them together, you get a skyfather.

I've seen the train feat with Danny, but you can't just bust open Juggernaut, things don't work that way. The God Blast should have done something similar, but it didn't. Juggernaut himself was flayed down to a skeleton by D'spayre, who was using Cain's powers to fuel his own abilities. Cain kept going as a glowing skeleton.

All Black Adam can do is fly fast, and hit hard. Neither of which will phase JuggerHulk.

And like I said, JuggerHulk is easily skyfather level. A brick with high end magical/energy manipulation, and other abilities.

Think before you post.

Originally posted by KingD19
Think before you post. Rest assured, I do.

Do you?

Yes, I can actually back up my claims, you just say whatever you think is right, instead of thinking about it. I can put up scans of Juggs seldom seen abilities that show how powerful he is. Mix that with WWH and you get a being of Rulk levels, except instead of being powered by Loebforce, you've got an actual character.

Many beings can win. Either BFR him, remove his enchantment, or use some powerful magic on him.

How can you BFR someone who can walk through dimensions?

And if it was as easy as removing his enchantment, don't you think someone would have done it by now?

And JuggerHulk will have his own powerful magic to combat them with.

Originally posted by KingD19
How can you BFR someone who can walk through dimensions?

And if it was as easy as removing his enchantment, don't you think someone would have done it by now?

And JuggerHulk will have his own powerful magic to combat them with.

WTH are u talking about? Thor removed his enchantment before and his magic is nowhere near as powerful as many others.

And sorry but HulkJuggs can't escape BFR without outside help from Cyttorak himself. And HulkJuggs neither knows how to his magic or that he has such ability.

Thor removed his durability for 60 seconds, and it was one time.

Juggs has done things without Cyttorak's help, why would JuggerHulk need it? And tere are several incarnations of Hulk out right now, the ones that would make the most use of this fusion would be WWH and the Hulk from Defenders, where he fought Rulk's Offenders.

It's almost 7 am, and I need sleep, I'll continue later. SNOOCH TO THE NOOCH!!!

Originally posted by KingD19
Thor removed his durability for 60 seconds, and it was one time.

Juggs has done things without Cyttorak's help, why would JuggerHulk need it? And tere are several incarnations of Hulk out right now, the ones that would make the most use of this fusion would be WWH and the Hulk from Defenders, where he fought Rulk's Offenders.

It's almost 7 am, and I need sleep, I'll continue later. SNOOCH TO THE NOOCH!!!

Thor could do it longer this time as he wouldn't turn into Donald Blake now. Yes regular Juggs did a few rare exotic things outside his normal ways but he has been Juggernaut for many years. Hulk never seen Juggs do any magic and don't even know that he has that power. So why would Hulk try magic all of a sudden? This is like me gaining spider-man powers and then trying to do some spells. What logic would lead me to the conclusion that I can use magic? And even so, I would have no clue on how to use the magic. It takes experience, something Hulk doesn't have.

Outside help isn't allowed. So Hulk loses due to BFR, removing his enchantment, or using powerful magic.

Originally posted by KingD19
(...) the Hulk from Defenders, where he fought Rulk's Offenders.

Are you kidding me? He couldn't even breath underwater (Grandmaster/Collector had to give him and Rulk gills). Not to mention that a single stab killed him.

Any Skyfather should be able to stop him.

Originally posted by KingD19
Doom's magic is nowhere near powerful enough to mess with Cytorrak's enchantments. To do that, you'd have to be more powerful than Cytorrak himself, and possibly directly confront him to mess with his avatar, which in this case is JuggerHulk.
That's not true in either case. Classic Thor did it, and he wasn't exactly the best magician, and he did it while fighting Juggernaut in.. New York probably.



They might. He was able to synthesize Odinforce, which surprised me a little. Or did he just supercharge it? I don't know, but I can't rule Surfer completely out on that.


Originally posted by KingD19
How can you BFR someone who can walk through dimensions?

And if it was as easy as removing his enchantment, don't you think someone would have done it by now?

And JuggerHulk will have his own powerful magic to combat them with.
It was the Trion that allowed Juggernaut to walk through dimensions.

Dr. fate and Zantana

Everyone? EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

outside of thor, we really have no way of knowing which sourcerers would affect juggernaut. all we know is that juggernaut basically walked through everything dr strange did, then thor negated his magics for 60 seconds.

to me that says 50/50. then the sourcerer would have to be able to deal with hulk himself. and keep the enchantment off.

Originally posted by KillAll
outside of thor, we really have no way of knowing which sourcerers would affect juggernaut. all we know is that juggernaut basically walked through everything dr strange did, then thor negated his magics for 60 seconds.

to me that says 50/50. then the sourcerer would have to be able to deal with hulk himself. and keep the enchantment off.

Very true but Thor no longer has that 60 sec. problem and can negate the Gem for however long he need to.

With all the other hero's WWH should go down but without negating the enchantment it is going to get ugly fast

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Everyone? EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

You guys suck.

Originally posted by KillAll
outside of thor, we really have no way of knowing which sourcerers would affect juggernaut. all we know is that juggernaut basically walked through everything dr strange did, then thor negated his magics for 60 seconds.

to me that says 50/50. then the sourcerer would have to be able to deal with hulk himself. and keep the enchantment off.
At what point did Dr.Strange do this? There was a time when he was very powerful.

Any ways, Zantana is very powerful and Dr.Fate. I think you should check out his respect thread.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
At what point did Dr.Strange do this? There was a time when he was very powerful.

Any ways, Zantana is very powerful and Dr.Fate. I think you should check out his respect thread.


dr strange has run into the juggernaut twice. neither time was he affective against him in the least.


zantana and dr fate i know next to nothing about. dc folk? either way i'm not sure how effective they would be against juggernaut/hulk.


i'm sure they COULD harm him in some way but your average magic attacks juggernaut will usually just walk through.



edit: i guess we have seen one other magical attack on the juggernaut. that was with d'spayre. he stole juggernauts power and claimed that "the fabric of time and space" were his to control or something really similar. he was still really ineffectual against a pissed off juggernaut. something tells me this hulk would be a really really pissed off juggernaut.

Everyone? EVERYONE!!!!!

Man you guys suck for real.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Everyone? EVERYONE!!!!!

Man you guys suck for real.

Spit it out then.

Originally posted by Placidity
Spit it out then.

You don't know wheres thats from?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You don't know wheres thats from?

It sounds very familiar, at the tip of my tongue, but it just won't surface.

LEON, you know the corrupt cop? When Leon has just taken down some SWAT guys and then the cop (Gary Oldman) realises hes in deep shit. Then he goes "Ok bring everyone", this other cop goes "Everyone?" Gary Oldman turns around and screams in his face "EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!"

Ha at least I'm the only one that figured you were after the source of a quote.

Originally posted by Placidity
Ha at least I'm the only one that figured you were after the source of a quote.

You haven't seen the film?

Surfer could very well solo.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Thor and Surfer no need to get anyone else involved

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LEON, you know the corrupt cop? When Leon has just taken down some SWAT guys and then the cop (Gary Oldman) realises hes in deep shit. Then he goes "Ok bring everyone", this other cop goes "Everyone?" Gary Oldman turns around and screams in his face "EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!"

Oh thats what you were talking about "Everyone" comment. Yeah Leon is badass in that movie. One of Natalie Portman's 1st break out roles to!

Originally posted by KingD19


Doom's magic is nowhere near powerful enough to mess with Cytorrak's enchantments. To do that, you'd have to be more powerful than Cytorrak himself, and possibly directly confront him to mess with his avatar, which in this case is JuggerHulk.
Yes it is.

No you don't.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes it is.

No you don't. This guy knows what's up.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Thor and Surfer no need to get anyone else involved

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LEON, you know the corrupt cop? When Leon has just taken down some SWAT guys and then the cop (Gary Oldman) realises hes in deep shit. Then he goes "Ok bring everyone", this other cop goes "Everyone?" Gary Oldman turns around and screams in his face "EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!"

Of course I have. Favorite scene is when Portman says shes in love with Leon, and he spits out his milk lol.

Shadowcat.

XP

the hulk enlarges himself to galactus size then eats everything. bitchslaps galactus then eats stars and shits blackholes.

What's funny about this thread is that I was reading Incredible Hulk 602 today and I swear the juggernaut is the dumbest SOB in comics. If WWH had the gem. OMG!