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Who wins?

Wow...my favourite two elementals!

Neither of them will win. Magma won't be able to reach Storm and go below surface, where Storm can't reach her.

She can reach her with a flood.

Rain erodes rock.

Storm for the win. More experienced and more powerful.

Rain erodes rocks over many, many years.

Originally posted by illadelph12
She can reach her with a flood.

Rain erodes rock.

Storm for the win. More experienced and more powerful.
Magma could rest in the magma deep below surface and no storm or rain will erode that deep, so - stalemate.

Hiding underground doesn't equate to a stalemate, it equates to a cowardice forfeit.

Since when can Magma hide in the earth? Her elemental power deal with fire of earth (magma and lava) she can cause tremors because she controls the magma below. With a combination of rain and arctic wind Storm can speed up the erosion process, not that that's an issue, Magma is immune to only fire, heat and solid projectiles (because they melt when they hit her heat aura), a lightning bolt could still fry her, not the heat it creates, but the electricity.

storm helped teach magma...it's like emma frost VS one of gen-X. storm wins

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm helped teach magma...it's like emma frost VS one of gen-X. storm wins

What does teaching someone have anything to do with it? You're argument makes no sense....Magma is more powerful, but I believe Storm wins.

Magma is one with the earth like Storm is one with the elements.
I don't think she can be hurt by anything elemental like Storm can be hurt by fire.
Magma would fry her. Even if Storm could defend from the blasts with tornados eventually she would tire.
Magma can draw the power of the earth and generate her own bodys fires.
She's more on par with Magneto than a fight with Storm. She stood down Magus Warlocks Father on a totally forign planet.

First of all Magmas powers are dependent on her contact to the earth, Storm helped her with her powers, so Storm would know this and lift her off the ground with the help of the winds and decimate her with lightning, or a vortex of air that keeps her from breathing,or whatever.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Since when can Magma hide in the earth?Didn't you read the issue in which the X-Men tried to go against Elias Bogan? Magma enclosed some of them in rock to shield them against heat, pressure and asphyxiation, which she was immune against, and traveled with them through the earth and magma rivers below L.A....no problem for her. She is even able to "see" through the earth via vibrations and small tremors.

I think Storm and Magma are pretty equally empowered, one with control over the elements of the sky and one with control over the elements of the earth.
Both can hurt one another, but Storm is better able to evade Magma's attacks than Magma Storm's attacks. Storm will certainly win, unless Magma hides under the earth and causes massive and explosive eruptions all over the place to perhaps randomly hit Ororo.

Storm...

Magma controls the very "blood" of the earth, if worst comes to worst then she could potentially kill them both by manipulating and destroying the earths core. Both of them aren't able to breath in space therefore they both die.

But if I had to choose one, it'd go like this:
Storm would hit to the skies, while Magma creates a fissure and buries underground protecting herself while she hides in the Earths Magma. Last time I checked, Storm can still be burnt. So all Magma needs to do is create massive eruptions everywhere, which would in turn heat the air, and eventually burn Storm.(Sure Storm can try and use her powers to keep the temperature down, but she'll eventually get hit by an erruption or by a gush of hot air. After that Storm falls to the ground and is encased in liquid Magma.(Probably the worst death for someone who is claustrophobic)

Storms weather powers won't be able to put out the Earths magma(At tops it'd dry the surface of the Magma), and won't be able to reach Alison/Amara who is using it as protection.
It's basically a fight between a person who is hidden within the Earth who is able to attack from anywhere around the Earths surface vs a person who is out in the open( in the skies) whose attacks cannot reach their target.

If Magma is hiding in the ground then she would be attacking blind. Storm flies at over 400mph and can flash freeze in seconds she would easily be able to avoid any attacks Magma makes whilst Magmas using the defensive strategy you mention.

Your strategy sounds extremely speculative. Have you seen Magma employ or demonstrate power enough and range enough to control the Earths core in its entirety? I certainly havent. As such thats not a viable strategy. It was ridiculous anyway as it resulted in both of their deaths lol.

While I think that Magma has the potential to being more powerful than Storm, I think that Storm's experience with her powers is the great equilizer for this fight. At least to me, it'd be a 5/10 draw for both.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If Magma is hiding in the ground then she would be attacking blind. Storm flies at over 400mph and can flash freeze in seconds she would easily be able to avoid any attacks Magma makes while Magmas using the defensive strategy you mention.

Your strategy sounds extremely speculative. Have you seen Magma employ or demonstrate power enough and range enough to control the Earths core in its entirety? I certainly havent. As such thats not a viable strategy.

That's why I said potentially, if she went to the centre of the Earth and screwed around with it then she could certainly mess it up, or even make it unstable.

And all Magma needs to do is cause random erruptions everywhere, Storm will eventually get hit, sure it may take sometime, but Storm cannot keep it up forever.

Like I said before, there's no way Storms attacks are able to reach her. However Magma even though attacking at random, still has a chance to connect either in hot air, or as an explosion.

BTW GS Remember that Sersi/Vulcan thread where you wanted evidence, did you see the scans?

Originally posted by batdude123
While I think that Magma has the potential to being more powerful than Storm, I think that Storm's experience with her powers is the great equilizer for this fight. At least to me, it'd be a 5/10 draw for both.

In terms of raw energy generatable, Storm is more powerful than Magma hands down. Magma isnt invulnerable to Storms pffensive, especially when you consider that Magma isnt going to start the battle underground. That would qualify as prep. As such soon as the battle commences Storm can either strike her down with lightning or sweep her off her feet with wind.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In terms of raw energy generatable, Storm is more powerful than Magma hands down. Magma isnt invulnerable to Storms pffensive, especially when you consider that Magma isnt going to start the battle underground. That would qualify as prep. As such soon as the battle commences Storm can either strike her down with lightning or sweep her off her feet with wind.

That would work both ways though, Storm and Magma would both be on the ground.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's why I said potentially, if she went to the centre of the Earth and screwed around with it then she could certainly mess it up, or even make it unstable.

Speculation. On top of that said strategy involves death for them both. Therefore it is not a win for Magma.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
And all Magma needs to do is cause random erruptions everywhere, Storm will eventually get hit, sure it may take sometime, but Storm cannot keep it up forever.

Random undirected attacks can be easily avoided considering her flight speed and her atmospheric powers which she could use to protect herself by the time any projectiles reach her. Not a good strategy and not one thats solid enough to give Magma a majority. Far from it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Like I said before, there's no way Storms attacks are able to reach her. However Magma even though attacking at random, still has a chance to connect either in hot air, or as an explosion.

Magma hasnt demonstrated range enough for you to convince anyone that she'll be able to hit Storm when Storms flying at over 400mph and can easily fight from the upper atmosphere if she desires. Please remember that Magma doesnt have prep time so she wont be starting off underground. Soon as the battle starts, one lightning bolt and its all over.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
BTW GS Remember that Sersi/Vulcan thread where you wanted evidence, did you see the scans?

I cant remember what youre talking about. Honestly, i cant even remember participating in that thread lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Speculation. On top of that said strategy involves death for them both. Therefore it is not a win for Magma.

I never said it was a win, it just means that Magma holds all the cards. And it's not speculation, anyone with the ability to survive in magma, and to manipulate magma on a low level should be able to do travel to the Earths core and make it unstable.



Storm is just going to keep avoiding attacks? How does she expect to retaliate? She'll wear herself out, eventually.



See above, Storm will wear out.
BTW Like I said it works both ways, they both start on the ground. Storm doesn't think at the speed of light therefore she still has to think to launch her lightning attack. So does Magma. So if it comes down to who hits who first then I'm still going to go with Magma as her power will do more damage.

So the only fair way to judge this is if the attacks hit each other at the same time.

Storm Attack
1.)Speed of thought
2.)Speed of Light

Magma
1.)Speed of thought
2.)Speed of whatever

The speed of thought occurs at the same time, but since
Speed of Light > Speed of Whatever

Storms attack will connect first, Magma gets hit by lightning. A moment later(Less then a second) Storm is engulfed by the ground, as Magma's attack was still initiated.

Assess the damage, Magma was shocked, Storm was engulfed. Magma can recover from her injury, Storm would be dead.

Magma should win.



Remember that Phoenix Fragment thing?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I never said it was a win, it just means that Magma holds all the cards. And it's not speculation, anyone with the ability to survive in magma, and to manipulate magma on a low level should be able to do travel to the Earths core and make it unstable.

Speculation and regardless of that it is not a viable strategy as it would result in Magmas death as well even if she could do it.



Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Storm is just going to keep avoiding attacks? How does she expect to retaliate? She'll wear herself out, eventually.

Storm could quite happily hover from the upper atmosphere and attack. She would be well beyond Magmas range. Prove that Magmas projectiles have such range (cos ive never seen that from her) and you will have made your point, until such times Storm can quite easily avoid Magmas attacks.



Originally posted by ExodusCloak
See above, Storm will wear out.

Not by hovering out of range. Prove Magmas range.


Originally posted by ExodusCloak
BTW Like I said it works both ways, they both start on the ground. Storm doesn't think at the speed of light therefore she still has to think to launch her lightning attack. So does Magma. So if it comes down to who hits who first then I'm still going to go with Magma as her power will do more damage.

Lightning bolts can kill a person of human durability. Storms attack will hit first and Magma would die.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So the only fair way to judge this is if the attacks hit each other at the same time.

Storm Attack
1.)Speed of thought
2.)Speed of Light

Magma
1.)Speed of thought
2.)Speed of whatever

The speed of thought occurs at the same time, but since
Speed of Light > Speed of Whatever

Storms attack will connect first, Magma gets hit by lightning. A moment later(Less then a second) Storm is englufed by the ground, as Magma's attack was still initiated.

Assess the damage, Magma was shocked, Storm was engulfed. Magma can recover from her injury, Storm would be dead.

Magma should win.

Magmas attacks are the result of psionic manipulation. You admit that Storm would hit first. Magma has human durability, she would die or be knocked out depending on the intensity of Storms lightning. The moment that happens Magmas attack would cease as it is brought on by psionic manipulation of matter, it requires conscious direction. If you need me to post her bio i will do so gladly.


Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Remember that Phoenix Fragment thing?

Nope. Sorry lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Speculation and regardless of that it is not a viable strategy as it would result in Magmas death as well even if she could do it.

Like I said it's not Speculation, it's possible given the nature of her powers. Meaning if worst comes to worst it will end up in a stalemate.



Magma could just raise the ground level and create a volcano, from there she should be able to reach Storm. Through fissures in the ground Magma will be able to keep watch on Storms whereabouts.

She may not have created this Volcano, but she can raise the ground to make one, meaning it's range can eventually reach the upper atmosphere.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5245/volcano4mu.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8755/xmen5sk.jpg




See above for range. So what Storms going to hide in the sky while Magma hides underground. Stalemate or win for Magma if she raises the ground.(As Cool Magma = Land)




The word is can, it doesn't always. Especially Storms. Emma Frost has been hit and she wasn't in her diamond form.



Storms powers also depends on psionic manipulation, therefore both of them will be at the same point in stage one. Stage two is where the attack connects, this is after the attack is planned and directed. Therefore both attacks will occur. Storms attack should connect first.
Stage two is like the second stage of telepathy, in stage two the thinking is done.



There you go:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=403014&highlight=vulcan

wow u guys really talk this out...but still Storm

but magma has an almost equal chance

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
What does teaching someone have anything to do with it? You're argument makes no sense....Magma is more powerful, but I believe Storm wins.

wow...i thought everyone would get this. storm taught magma, which means she knows the limitations and the ins and outs of her powers. giving her an ultimate edge.


also, has everyone forgotten about storms force-fields? she can conjure up pressure fields and electric force-fields as well. anyway...storms attack hits first. storm can have the lightning take her out if she wanted to or not. also, exoduscloak, the bolt didn't take out emma because that wasn't storms goal...if storm wanted to take out someone with human durability, then she could. just think about it, everything goes in storms favor from experience, to overall raw power . and literally, flash-freezing the ground would make it harder to manipulate, and would slow down lava(yes, true fact). and magma even had a little stouble with blob.

Originally posted by stormfront13
wow...i thought everyone would get this. storm taught magma, which means she knows the limitations and the ins and outs of her powers. giving her an ultimate edge.


also, has everyone forgotten about storms force-fields? she can conjure up pressure fields and electric force-fields as well. anyway...storms attack hits first. storm can have the lightning take her out if she wanted to or not. also, exoduscloak, the bolt didn't take out emma because that wasn't storms goal...if storm wanted to take out someone with human durability, then she could. just think about it, everything goes in storms favor from experience, to overall raw power . and literally, flash-freezing the ground would make it harder to manipulate, and would slow down lava(yes, true fact). and magma even had a little stouble with blob.


Storm can't keep her shields up forever, she'll eventually get hit. And you can't expect her just to sit back and defend, she has to retaliate to win.
A blood thirsty Storm hit Emma with a lightning bolt, when the White Queen switched bodies with her. Storm didn't even knock her out. And it wasn't self restraint that stopped her it was Wolverine. I believe her exact weirds were "You will pay for that in blood". Storms goal was to kill Emma she said it herself. Also there are a majority of people in real life who survive when they are hit by lightning bolts it's not that suprising that Emma survived.
Storms attack may hit first but it doesn't mean Magmas doesn't, both of their powers work through psionic manipulation, therefore they'd both be at stage two(See previous post above). In stage two lightning will strike first, but much less then a second later the ground will open up and Storm will be devoured.
And how is freezing the ground going to inhibit Magmas manipulation, the amount frozen is just out of proportion when compared to the amount of magma that's in the Earth. Plus Magma can still manipulate the frozen magma.

Current Magma is psycho scary:
Remember both start on the ground.
This is how Storm will most probably end up.
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1365182/0/nouser_1365/T0_-1_1365182.jpg
(Can't get imageshack to work)

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Storm can't keep her shields up forever, she'll eventually get hit. And you can't expect her just to sit back and defend, she has to retaliate to win./B]

how do you figure she'll get hit? magma doesn't even know if storm is even close to the battlefield, and her powers sure as well won't make it to the clouds which storm can just hover in. and magma isn't doing much more than defending herself either here. she's hiding inside the earth and blindly shooting up rocks which won't reach her target, she'll come up eventually.



do you have proof that the one bolt was meant to kill emma? or if she was even going to use lightning to kill her? remember, storm is very formidable up front and has killed with her bare hands even before being an x-man. your also forgetting that storm had just come back in with her powers, and was completely off-balance with the earth. this is also bad writing considering that one bolt almost killed sebastion shaw and he can absorb electricity.



yes, people do survive, but aren't ever the same after that. and no, a majority of people die when they are struck by lightning, the lucky ones survive. and your also forgetting that getting hit by lightning in the real world is an unfortunate accident and that the ligthning isn't literally attacking you or trying to kill you like it would be in this case. storms lightning would be focused on magma.



you do realize that storm can multi-task right? she'd easily be able to summon a lightning shield and a lightning bolt at the exact same time. don't forget that lightning moves at 60,000 miles per second, so to get a shield up wouldn't even take half a second. and it would only take one second for the lightning to hit magma, and with not enough time to flame up she gets taken out with her human durability.




frozen earth would be harder to manipulate. i don't ever recall magma being able to manipulate ice, so it would slow the process down. also, lightning would melt or destroy rocks before they even reached storm, and added pressure on the rocks or the earth would protect her as well.


think about it. everything is in storms favor
1)expierence-storm
2)raw power-storm
3) versatility-storm
4)fighting ability-storm
5)tactical ability-storm
6)tactical expierence-storm

and on top of all this, storm taught magma, so she knows the ins and outs of her powers.

Originally posted by stormfront13
how do you figure she'll get hit? magma doesn't even know if storm is even close to the battlefield, and her powers sure as well won't make it to the clouds which storm can just hover in. and magma isn't doing much more than defending herself either here. she's hiding inside the earth and blindly shooting up rocks which won't reach her target, she'll come up eventually.

Umm...Magma = Land, Create a mound of land ie a Volcano and yes, Amaras attacks will be able to reach the atmosphere. Like I said before Storm will get hit, eventually, there's no where to run.



Storm was out for blood, she had to be stopped by Wolverine. It didn't even knock Emma out. :L And you're blaming it on bad writing, I could say the same thing about their recent fight.(Written by the same writer, Chris Claremont who practically adores Storm) Emma's Mind Blast should have rendered Ororo useless in their most recent fight.
Storm seemed well able to use her powers, when she recieved her body back. I don't think that speculative argument works.

BTW The word their is almost. Also tell me which comic this happened in, there had to have been an alterior plot device. Sebastion Shaw should be able to take Storms electricity.

There you go:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1984/emma0ty.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3771/emma28ao.jpg

Sorry but, Storms lightning almost never kills.




First of all the majority of people who recieve basic medical care ie CPR usually survive. Lightning is not a person, it's energy. Storms lightning is just energy. When someone is hit by lightning in the real world they're also hit by a focused beam. Focused or not, Magma will survive, just ask Emma Frost who wasn't even knocked out. :L




Psionic Manipulation
Storm
Stage 1 Thinking, Speed of Thought
Stage 2 Lightning strikes at speed of light and as you said her shield comes up.

Magma
Stage 1 Thinking Speed of Thought
Stage 2 Ground opens up Storm ends up like:
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8060/magmapsycho9fd.jpg


Both control their powers by Psionic Manipulation. If Storm is doing two things, she has too think twice as much, Stage 1 will take longer, therefore Magma's attack will hit first. So no your shield won't work.

If Storm decides to do one thing then both her an Amara complete Stage 1 at the same time. Her lightning will hit first, but since Stage one is already done, Magma's attack will also happen, and less then a second later the ground devours Ororo.



Magma is able to manipulate Magma. Magneto can manipulate Frozen metal. There's no reason why Magma can't manipulate frozen Magma.(Unless you have proof that she can't) Again Storm can't keep it up forever. She's out in the open while Amara is concealed.





Raw Power is a matter of opinion.
Both of them start off on the Ground.(Advantage to Magma)
Storm is out in the open, Magma can reach her by raising the land. And is concealed by the land.(Another Advantage to Magma)
In the few milliseconds they have Magma will end up doing far more damage then Storm can do to Magma.(Advantage to Magma)