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Fights in an alley way..

i don't really think it matter where the fight takes place..sabretooth rips scorpion limb from retarded limb.

Sabertooth takes majority

also depends on the suite gargan has and what enhancements sabertooth has

That is silly logic.
Spiderman has proven faster and, in my opinion, a better fighter than Wolverine. Wolverine has beaten Sabertooth.
Scorpion has been able to trash Spiderman.
I say Scorps is too fast, strong, and armored for Sabertooth.
Scorps wins.

Scorpion utterly destroys Sabertooth.

dosent matter who wins it's less trouble for spider-man and wolverine

did horr just say spiderman was a better fighter then logan lol

Originally posted by Horrificus
That is silly logic.
Spiderman has proven faster and, in my opinion, a better fighter than Wolverine. Wolverine has beaten Sabertooth.
Scorpion has been able to trash Spiderman.
I say Scorps is too fast, strong, and armored for Sabertooth.
Scorps wins.

... Well it's nice to see that knowing next to nothing about Sabretooth didn't prevent you from posting in this thread.

Originally posted by Horrificus
That is silly logic.
Spiderman has proven faster and, in my opinion, a better fighter than Wolverine. Wolverine has beaten Sabertooth.
Scorpion has been able to trash Spiderman.
I say Scorps is too fast, strong, and armored for Sabertooth.
Scorps wins. scorpions been able to trash spiderman once.. people often recall the one good display of power he had and mistake that as a majority case.. well it's not.. here on thse boards that's called PIS... spiderman later knocked him out in 3 hits... spiderman also COMMONLY refers to him as a joke, a b-list villain, and a loser...

and no spiderman needs to beat wolverine to be a better fighter than wolverine.. he hasn't... so he's not. he is faster though.. but wolverine's irrelivent here... sabretooth is wolverine's superior in every way.... i repeat... EVERY WAY... (save skills).. wolverine loses more often to sabretooth than the other way around. bad analysis and comparison my friend...

now sabretooth on the other hand.. in his classic days he KOed rogue and outslugged ms. marvel.. he's had three upgrades since then and is currently killing wendigo's and plucking speedsters out of the air... scorpion really has no advantages on sabes xept for a range attack.. which may not eve prove useful to him.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... Well it's nice to see that knowing next to nothing about Sabretooth didn't prevent you from posting in this thread.

Originally posted by jinzin
scorpions been able to trash spiderman once.. people often recall the one good display of power he had and mistake that as a majority case.. well it's not.. here on thse boards that's called PIS... spiderman later knocked him out in 3 hits... spiderman also COMMONLY refers to him as a joke, a b-list villain, and a loser...

and no spiderman needs to beat wolverine to be a better fighter than wolverine.. he hasn't... so he's not. he is faster though.. but wolverine's irrelivent here... sabretooth is wolverine's superior in every way.... i repeat... EVERY WAY... (save skills).. wolverine loses more often to sabretooth than the other way around. bad analysis and comparison my friend...

now sabretooth on the other hand.. in his classic days he KOed rogue and outslugged ms. marvel.. he's had three upgrades since then and is currently killing wendigo's and plucking speedsters out of the air... scorpion really has no advantages on sabes xept for a range attack.. which may not eve prove useful to him.
lets avoid this becomeing a sider-man vs wolverine thing other than that i have to agree with you also gargan isnt the smartest guy around either

Spiderman a better fighter than wolverine??? ..............


ineteresting...

All I know, is that without the extensive skills Logan has, Spiderman has been able to match him.
That, to me, says that SM's inate skills and attributes, make him a better fighter.
And, in my opinion, the most important meeting they ever had, ended up with Spiderman FIRST having the ability to wrench Logans neck, which would, while not breaking his neck, would have severed his all-too-human spinal cord. And, as you guys have said, since SM IS faster than Logan, I say he had the opporntunity to kill Logan, BEFORE Logan was able to bring his claws into play, ending in a stalemate.
And, even if it WAS only once, Scorps has defeated Spidey, and matched him several other times. Which Logan has NOT done.
Anyway, sorry if I ruffled yer feathers about Sabertooth. First of all, I know plenty about him. Second, do not bring the Wendigo deal up to me, because I think that is just more X-Trash writing. It should end up being explained as a "Dream Sequence" eventually. But, all you guys that are typing right now, while wearing Creed-covered undies, just stay cool. I won't go any farther.
My entire point was, that Spidey, Logan and Sabertooth are all roughly at the same level.
And, Scorps deserves a place right there by them. And, occasionally, higher.
Like now.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Spiderman a better fighter than wolverine??? ..............


ineteresting...

Oh no... here it comes

Originally posted by SpunkySmurf
Oh no... here it comes yup...

Originally posted by Horrificus
All I know, is that without the extensive skills Logan has, Spiderman has been able to match him. BECAUSE he has super powers...
Originally posted by Horrificus
That, to me, says that SM's inate skills and attributes, make him a better fighter. even though he's lost the majorityof their confrontations.. or looked worse in comparsion?


Originally posted by Horrificus
And, in my opinion, the most important meeting they ever had, ended up with Spiderman FIRST having the ability to wrench Logans neck, which would, while not breaking his neck, would have severed his all-too-human spinal cord. why is THAT their most important meeting? because it fits with your opinion instead of with what's consistent?
because spiderman gave it his all, and wolverine looked worse for holding back?

also: severed...

would it? really?

again.. sabretooth ALREADY TRIED... he did the EXACT same thing that spiderman was going to attempt.. logan was still fighting back.. the attack DID NOTHING.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, as you guys have said, since SM IS faster than Logan, I say he had the opportunity to kill Logan, BEFORE Logan was able to bring his claws into play, ending in a stalemate.

IF logan had his claws out when he tackled spiderman.. IF logan had them out when he punched spiderman in the face then there wouldn't have been a "stalemate" to begin with.. and again it wasn't a stalemate.. wolverine would have killed spidey.. spidey WOULD HAVE FAILED trying to do the same.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, even if it WAS only once, Scorps has defeated Spidey, and matched him several other times. Which Logan has NOT done.

so when logan ended up in a "stalemate" in which only logan could have delivered the final blow that wasn't a win by default?
when logan had the change to put his claws into spiderman's face and he didn't that wasn't matching spiderman?
when logan stabbed spiderman and knocked him out via blood loss that wasn't an outright win?
when logan flip kicked spiderman in the balls and left him a huddled over mass of unconcious that wasn't a superior showing? yes wolverine certainly has NOT done thse things..

Originally posted by Horrificus
Anyway, sorry if I ruffled yer feathers about Sabertooth. First of all, I know plenty about him. Second, do not bring the Wendigo deal up to me, why not?

Originally posted by Horrificus
because I think that is just more X-Trash writing. It should end up being explained as a "Dream Sequence" eventually. and yet scorpions ONE good showing is perfectly acceptable?

Originally posted by Horrificus
But, all you guys that are typing right now, while wearing Creed-covered undies, just stay cool. I won't go any farther.
My entire point was, that Spidey, Logan and Sabertooth are all roughly at the same level.
And, Scorps deserves a place right there by them. And, occasionally, higher.
Like now. he'll be deserving of such a place when he earns one...

cap has punched him out in 5 panals.. he's nothing special.

Originally posted by jinzin
yup...


so when logan ended up in a "stalemate" in which only logan could have delivered the final blow that wasn't a win by default?
when logan had the change to put his claws into spiderman's face and he didn't that wasn't matching spiderman?
when logan stabbed spiderman and knocked him out via blood loss that wasn't an outright win?
when logan flip kicked spiderman in the balls and left him a huddled over mass of unconcious that wasn't a superior showing? yes wolverine certainly has NOT done thse things..


Do have scans of Wolvie defeating Spiderman in the manner that was quoted?
Don't get me wrong, I believe you. I would just like to see it.

yup.. 3 of their fights can be found around pages 60-80 of the spiderman vs. cap/daredevil/wolverine thread.. but I don't have the scans off hand.. if you look up that thread they'll be around there somewhere... the flip kick into spiderman's groin... i'm not sure where i posted that..

Wolverine's most potent power, when fighting "real" heroes, is that he is able to go full out, slicing, stabbing, and doing pretty much anything he feels like doing, (which is an enviable triat with a lot of people who suffer from low-honor count, and a condition known as "thinkitus coolicus 2 beathugitus". I'm sorry for my shabby latin.)
Anyway, to my mind, any time I see Logan in a fight against a character that has been written in a way that shows they are trying to accomplish a non-lethal, or non-maiming victory, I will always give them points over Wolverine.
Spidey and Cap hold back. They were written in a time when it was a good thing to be known as a "Good Guy". They were written to be heroes.
Logan is a "garbage" character that caters to the portion of Marvel's client-base who are striving to achieve a "Thug-Mentality".
Spidey holds back. Cap is NOT a psycho. They do not relish blood and butchery.

Originally posted by jinzin
yup.. 3 of their fights can be found around pages 60-80 of the spiderman vs. cap/daredevil/wolverine thread.. but I don't have the scans off hand.. if you look up that thread they'll be around there somewhere... the flip kick into spiderman's groin... i'm not sure where i posted that..

Yeah, you don't see Spidey and Cap doing a lot of groin attacks or stabbings.
That must be a "weakness".
Dude, you are proving my point, although I can tell that you are not even able to see my point. You are too enraptured by the "berserker violence" thing.
I thought it was agreed that Spidey was faster than Wolvie. If so, then he had Logan around the neck first. Even if Logan stabbed Spidey, that isn't an instant kill.
But, getting your spinal cord torn in half usually has immediate results!
And, no, the bones do not need to break for this to happen.
Spidey would have killed Logan, if the places were switched.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Wolverine's most potent power, when fighting "real" heroes, is that he is able to go full out, slicing, stabbing, and doing pretty much anything he feels like doing, (which is an enviable triat with a lot of people who suffer from low-honor count, and a condition known as "thinkitus coolicus 2 beathugitus". I'm sorry for my shabby latin.)
Anyway, to my mind, any time I see Logan in a fight against a character that has been written in a way that shows they are trying to accomplish a non-lethal, or non-maiming victory, I will always give them points over Wolverine.
Spidey and Cap hold back. They were written in a time when it was a good thing to be known as a "Good Guy". They were written to be heroes.
Logan is a "garbage" character that caters to the portion of Marvel's client-base who are striving to achieve a "Thug-Mentality".
Spidey holds back. Cap is NOT a psycho. They do not relish blood and butchery.

Because Wolverine isn't a naive, bleeding heart liberal who pussy foots around what needs to be done he is somehow less of a hero? Because he realises that both war and death or unavoidably and necessary he is a thug? No, he is realistic. Wolverine is a soldier and warrior, not some two bit thug, he has insight that Spider-man couldn't imagine. Most "heroes" believe that killing crosses some moral boundary that makes them no better then the villain they are fighting, while Wolverine isn't so arrogant as to believe he is better then they are in the first place. Spider-man is a liability. He constantly puts people (including his family) in danger because he is unwilling to do what needs to be done. He is unwilling to get his hands dirty, he is just playing a game and more importantly he is just playing at being a hero. Spider-man is living in Black and White, but the real world is shades of Grey and killing is often necessary.

I agree.
But, I believe that those who kill should be the only ones tofear being killed. Idealists like Cap and Spidey are far more valuable than Logan. They have been winning fights for years, without having to stoop to cheap tactics and over the top violence.
They are able to do exactly what the situation requires them to do. No more.
I guess Logan, and his writers are just unable to grasp that concept.
Dude, I feel bad for you if you are able to explain to yourself, why it is ok to stab or crotch-bash an unarmed, non-lethal opponent.
And, just as an FYI, I am far from a "Bleeding Heart"!
I just have a higher moral code than you do, and expect more from myself and others.
The only reason there is so much "Gray Area", is because people like you are increasing it's size.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I agree.
But, I believe that those who kill should be the only ones tofear being killed. Idealists like Cap and Spidey are far more valuable than Logan. They have been winning fights for years, without having to stoop to cheap tactics and over the top violence.
They are able to do exactly what the situation requires them to do. No more.
I guess Logan, and his writers are just unable to grasp that concept.
Dude, I feel bad for you if you are able to explain to yourself, why it is ok to stab or crotch-bash an unarmed, non-lethal opponent.
And, just as an FYI, I am far from a "Bleeding Heart"!
I just have a higher moral code than you do, and expect more from myself and others.
The only reason there is so much "Gray Area", is because people like you are increasing it's size.

Idealists are just that- Ideal. Not neccessarily more helpful, valuable or efficient then people like Logan. Who are realists.
They ATTEMPT to do what the situation requires them to do. But not neccessarily complete it. Spiderman postpones, or tones down the threat. Wolverine neutralizes it. He's not a thug, or a murderer- no more then any soldeir out at war.
Not everything fits into the catagory of an 'evil' act and a 'good' act.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I agree.
But, I believe that those who kill should be the only ones tofear being killed. Idealists like Cap and Spidey are far more valuable than Logan. They have been winning fights for years, without having to stoop to cheap tactics and over the top violence.
They are able to do exactly what the situation requires them to do. No more.
I guess Logan, and his writers are just unable to grasp that concept.
Dude, I feel bad for you if you are able to explain to yourself, why it is ok to stab or crotch-bash an unarmed, non-lethal opponent.
And, just as an FYI, I am far from a "Bleeding Heart"!
I just have a higher moral code than you do, and expect more from myself and others.
The only reason there is so much "Gray Area", is because people like you are increasing it's size.

Wolverine has said many times that if I guy comes at him with fists he meets him in kind. Aside from poorly written Spider-man issues Wolverine doesn't used his claws against unarmed opponents unless they are monsters like the Hulk (or anyone in his rogue gallery) who pretty much shrug it off. Kicking Spider-man in the nuts is about the nicest thing that Wolverine could do to Peter in a fight, all his other incapacitation options would kill Spider-man.

If thinking you are morally superior then me helps you sleep better, then by all means continue to believe it but I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone with a higher more code then mine though.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Idealists are just that- Ideal. Not neccessarily more helpful, valuable or efficient then people like Logan. Who are realists.
They ATTEMPT to do what the situation requires them to do. But not neccessarily complete it. Spiderman postpones, or tones down the threat. Wolverine neutralizes it. He's not a thug, or a murderer- no more then any soldeir out at war.
Not everything fits into the catagory of an 'evil' act and a 'good' act.

Ok, so, you are saying that if you end up in a fight with somebody that is KNOWN to be a non-lethal aggressor, with no wepons, it is ok to resort to "stabbing"? You are saying that this is a sign of "realism"?

I am not attackig you here. I really am trying to understand. If you knew who and what I was, you would understand that I am not a liberal or soft "anything".
But, I find it distressing when I hear people defeated into believing what you are stating.
If you lost a loved one this way, you would change your tune.
People always do.

Originally posted by Horrificus

But, getting your spinal cord torn in half usually has immediate results!
And, no, the bones do not need to break for this to happen.
Spidey would have killed Logan, if the places were switched.

You should check yourself before offering lectures-
You say that the so called 'non'lethal agressor' WOULD (not could, but would) KILL Logan if the places were switched.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You should check yourself before offering lectures-
You say that the so called 'non'lethal agressor' WOULD (not could, but would) KILL Logan if the places were switched.

You didn't understand what I wrote.

By "switched", I meant if Spider Man was the one with the lack of restraint, instead of Logan.
If SM was acting the way Logan was acting, Logan would be dead.
But, SM had "restraint". He stopped before acting.