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who do you think will win?

for anyone that doesnt know who is cardiac there you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_(comics)

niiiiice havent seen anything with cardiac in a loooooooooong time

heres some more about him

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/cardiac.html

he actually beat spider-man

i say cardiac takes it 8/2

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
i say cardiac takes it 8/2
marvel does not agree with you at all. Logan has defeat him twice extremely easily both times

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/enemies/cardiac/cardiac06.jpg

and heres a better bio about him which states him as class 25 strength

http://images.google.co.il/imgres?imgurl=http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/enemies/cardiac/cardiac06.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/enemies/cardiac.html&h=323&w=620&sz=121&hl=iw&start=1&tbnid=kXNzsmmNTaPF7M:&tbnh=71&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcardiac%2Bspider-man%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Diw%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

Originally posted by capt it up
marvel does not agree with you at all. Logan has defeat him twice extremely easily both times

i saw only one fight when wolverine and cardiac fought and wolverine didn't really win cardiac just hits a building with his staff and the building felt on him but nothing that wolverine did

he never shown class 25 strength. unless you can prove ti with scanns. he not gunan beat Logan. he also ahs only human reflexes which will put him at a huge disavantage

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
i saw only one fight when wolverine and cardiac fought and wolverine didn't really win cardiac just hits a building with his staff and the building felt on him but nothing that wolverine did
actaully that was form the issue
wolverine vs the marvel universe. wolverine hit cardiac staff up in the air in which case it cause the biudlign to fall on him. actaully Logan body was being controlled by an alien life form at the time. Funny thing was if it was logan fighting he would of taken him out even faster.

wolverne also faught cardiac again later becuase cardiac and solo wanted revenge for what logan did and logan who was trying to not hurt them both was kicking there butts.

what is it with your english man?

again i don't have many scans of him but he did beat spider-man

his staff can make electric bolts

he can melt metal with his electronic shocks

his skin is bulletproof

he does have super human strength and the proof for that is when he was fighting wolverine and made a building collapse from a hit with his staff
he also has super human speed and agility so he is faster then wolverine

and if you are so much into proves and scans then show me scans where wolverine takes him out otherwise it never happened

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully that was form the issue
wolverine vs the marvel universe. wolverine hit cardiac staff up in the air in which case it cause the biudlign to fall on him. actaully Logan body was being controlled by an alien life form at the time. Funny thing was if it was logan fighting he would of taken him out even faster.

wolverne also faught cardiac again later becuase cardiac and solo wanted revenge for what logan did and logan who was trying to not hurt them both was kicking there butts.

prove it with scans

Originally posted by capt it up
Funny thing was if it was logan fighting he would of taken him out even faster.

Pure speculation

Originally posted by capt it up
wolverne also faught cardiac again later becuase cardiac and solo wanted revenge for what logan did and logan who was trying to not hurt them both was kicking there butts.

Wolverine never touched him the second time ... and he barely touched Solo either
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_%28comics%29

Once where Woverine's mind was being controlled by an alien:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9933/wolverine134page12nz2.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7383/wolverine134page13bk1.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6145/wolverine134page14tr2.th.jpg

And once when it wasn't:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/482/wolverine14016ry6.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6493/wolverine14017zx7.th.jpg http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/6136/wolverine14019hx2.th.jpg

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
and if you are so much into proves and scans then show me scans where wolverine takes him out otherwise it never happened

Ohhhh... is that the rule?




Cardiac has his skin laced with a vibranium mesh... which means he can take a hell of a lot... it might be difficult for Wolverine to stab him at all

Originally posted by Scoobless
Pure speculation



Wolverine never touched him the second time ... and he barely touched Solo either
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_%28comics%29

Once where Woverine's mind was being controlled by an alien:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9933/wolverine134page12nz2.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7383/wolverine134page13bk1.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6145/wolverine134page14tr2.th.jpg

And once when it wasn't:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/482/wolverine14016ry6.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6493/wolverine14017zx7.th.jpg http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/6136/wolverine14019hx2.th.jpg




thanks I could not fully remeber the second fight. that's not the whole fight you showed though, i thought he battled solo for a while and throws a dumbster at him. been a while since ive read the second battle

first of all cardiacs fight vs wolverine in wolverine #134 wasn't even a fight i mean cardiacs staff hits a building and it falls on cardiac thats it wolverine never won , and again it was the same stupid issue where wolverine took out ms marvel cannonball human torch and half of marvel universe its every wolverines fanboy wet dream but its crap

and the other fight you talk about show some scans to prove it if you don't believe to people and demand scans so be it show me some of wolverine taking him out

and again he is super agile and fast and super strong as you can see in his fights with spider-man , he can project electric bolts that can melt metal ... so you see if cardiac will have a well written fight with wolverine he should take him out, he did beat spider-man and spider-man is much faster then wolverine so if spider-man got hit by his electric shots then wolverine is going to get thousands of them , and then he beats the crap out of wolverine with his staff and both he and gambit play snooker with wolverines head

Originally posted by capt it up
thanks I could not fully rmeebr the second fight. that not the whole fight you showed though i though he battle solo for a while and throws a dumbster at him. been a while since ive read the second battle

I was just focusing on the Cardiac parts

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
he did beat spider-man

No he didn't.

About that first Cardiac/Wolverine fight... the staff flies up, hits the wall and colapses it... .... the power comes from Cardiac's artificial heart, through his hands ... he just uses the staff to focus the blasts better... the wall never should have been damaged

Originally posted by Scoobless
Pure speculation



Wolverine never touched him the second time ... and he barely touched Solo either
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_%28comics%29

Once where Woverine's mind was being controlled by an alien:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9933/wolverine134page12nz2.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7383/wolverine134page13bk1.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6145/wolverine134page14tr2.th.jpg

And once when it wasn't:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/482/wolverine14016ry6.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6493/wolverine14017zx7.th.jpg http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/6136/wolverine14019hx2.th.jpg





as you can see in the first fight wolverine didn't win it was cardiacs staff that did the job by accident

in the second fight cardiac was electrocuting him and then the fight stopped so it goes to cardiac

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
as you can see in the first fight wolverine didn't win it was cardiacs staff that did the job by accident

in the second fight cardiac was electrocuting him and then the fight stopped so it goes to cardiac
wolverine the one who caused the staff to do that.

hwo was that a win for cardiac? you just love giving wins to people with out proper reason. he atatcked logan from behind as he fought solo.

Originally posted by Scoobless
No he didn't.

About that first Cardiac/Wolverine fight... the staff flies up, hits the wall and colapses it... .... the power comes from Cardiac's artificial heart, through his hands ... he just uses the staff to focus the blasts better... the wall never should have been damaged

he did beat spider-man he got the better of him

about the part that the building collapse i know its dumb but hey the whole issue is dumb ... wolverine taking out half of marvel including human torch ms marvel and cannonball

Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine the one who caused the staff to do that.

hwo was that a win for cardiac? you just love giving wins to people with out proper reason. he atatcked logan from behind as he fought solo.

what is it with your English again .. sheesh

should his staff break a building from just hitting it? the issue was soooo stupid that i just want to cry

i mean come on he took out the human torch by just throwing someone at him and the human torch was out

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
first of all cardiacs fight vs wolverine in wolverine #134 wasn't even a fight i mean cardiacs staff hits a building and it falls on cardiac thats it wolverine never won ,
Really? Seeing as how logan the cause of that it looks like a win to me. Also cardiac was Koed was logan?

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
and again it was the same stupid issue where wolverine took out ms marvel cannonball human torch and half of marvel universe its every wolverines fanboy wet dream but its crap
He never even fought cannon ball in it. He took on street guys which he would beat. He never really beat ms marvel she beat her self because she drank way to much.


Originally posted by hank_mccoy
and again he is super agile and fast and super strong as you can see in his fights with spider-man ,
How can I see some thing you never showed or gave a issue number for?

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
he can project electric bolts that can melt metal
Is that suppose to impress me? Logan has taken on guys with far greater fire power.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
... so you see if cardiac will have a well written fight with wolverine he should take him out,
Thats your opinion. Your opinion does not matter squat with out proof.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
he did beat spider-man
Prove it.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
and spider-man is much faster then wolverine
Prove it.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
so if spider-man got hit by his electric shots then wolverine is going to get thousands of them ,
Again you assume so much with out evidence

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
beats the crap out of wolverine with his staff and both he and gambit play snooker with wolverines head
Would never happen

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
i mean come on he took out the human torch by just throwing someone at him and the human torch was out
no he got hit with ton's of water (literaly)

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
wolverine taking out half of marvel
not at all.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
including human torch

sorta.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
ms marvl

he never beat her. She was just drunk outa her mind.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
and cannonball
he was not even in that issue

Originally posted by capt it up
Really? Seeing as how logan the cause of that it looks like a win to me. Also cardiac was Koed was logan?


He never even fought cannon ball in it. He took on street guys which he would beat. He never really beat ms marvel she beat her self because she drank way to much.



How can I see some thing you never showed or gave a issue number for?


Is that suppose to impress me? Logan has taken on guys with far greater fire power.


Thats your opinion. Your opinion does not matter squat with out proof.


Prove it.


Prove it.


Again you assume so much with out evidence


Would never happen
i'm going off topic for a sec but do you belive wolverine could ever loose?

Originally posted by lando005
i'm going off topic for a sec but do you belive wolverine could ever loose?
ya. ive said he loses plenty of times. if you have not notice I don't enter in threads that he lose in becuase there no piont. such as hulk vs wolverine. thor vs wolverine. superman vs wiolverine. human torch vs wolverine.

He didn't beat Spider-Man, he did this:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9774/cardiac06qt5.jpg

Then used the distraction to go kill the guy he was after.. but before he could, the guy died of a heart attack (ironic, no?) and Cardiac flew away on his glider thingy

Originally posted by capt it up
ya. ive said he loses plenty of times. if you have not notice I don't enter in threads that he lose in becuase there no piont. such as hulk vs wolverine. thor vs wolverine. superman vs wiolverine. human torch vs wolverine. alright just checking cause i see you defending him to the death a lotta times, ok about my oppinion on this fight logan would take it if nothing else then on experiance alone cardiac is still c list material at best

Originally posted by lando005
alright just checking cause i see you defending him to the death a lotta times, ok about my oppinion on this fight logan would take it if nothing else then on experiance alone cardiac is still c list material at best
I only defend him in fights he win.

Originally posted by capt it up
Really? Seeing as how logan the cause of that it looks like a win to me. Also cardiac was Koed was logan?


He never even fought cannon ball in it. He took on street guys which he would beat. He never really beat ms marvel she beat her self because she drank way to much.



How can I see some thing you never showed or gave a issue number for?


Is that suppose to impress me? Logan has taken on guys with far greater fire power.


Thats your opinion. Your opinion does not matter squat with out proof.


Prove it.


Prove it.


Again you assume so much with out evidence


Would never happen

damnnn those fanboys ... wolverine wasn't down because the building felt on cardiac not on him , and that was an accident because of his staff , and his staff doesn't have the power to trash a building just from falling on him so its one of the dumbest issues there is

he did fight cannonball in the end of the issue you blind fanboy , he cuts ms marvel and she is down its PIS

check out amazing spider-man #344 #345 and #376 #377 #378

wolverine also was taken out by guys that doesn't have any super powers at all

to prove that spider-man is faster then wolverine? if you are that dumb then i am sorry but you have to prove me first that you got a brain because you talk like a retard fanboy

assume without evidence? cardiac did hit spider-man with electric bolts and that just shows you how fast they are , now you are going to say prove it because your too retard to look at the issue numbers that i just gave you


now you prove to me that you got a human brain and that you are not a wolverine fanboy

ouch

any one that ask for a prove that spider-man is faster then wolverine got problems man ... real problems

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02.jpg

thats how fast wolverine , this is his super reflex right there, a man in armor was fast enough to grab him like that ... ye there you go ..super human reflex right there

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
he did fight cannonball in the end of the issue you blind fanboy , he cuts ms marvel and she is down its PIS


He didn't fight Cannonball in that issue (or that story)

Originally posted by Scoobless
He didn't fight Cannonball in that issue (or that story)

here are all the characters that he was fighting against

firestar, moon knight, war bird, vision, justice , falcon , us agent , black widow,solo,cardiac,speedball,darkhawk,black cat, human torch

i was reading that issue some years ago and i remember cannonball in it thats strange, but maybe it was speedball , it was some years ago after all

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
here are all the characters that he was fighting against

firestar, moon knight, war bird, vision, justice , falcon , us agent , black widow,solo,cardiac,speedball,darkhawk,black cat, human torch

i was reading that issue some years ago and i remember cannonball in it thats strange, but maybe it was speedball , it was some years ago after all
most all those character excpt 3 or 4 wolverine would thrash

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02.jpg

thats how fast wolverine , this is his super reflex right there, a man in armor was fast enough to grab him like that ... ye there you go ..super human reflex right there
there freaken robots with shield and tony stark tech.

they are far beyond human.

Originally posted by lando005
spiderman is far faster and agile than wolverine, logan is fast but nowhere near peter's leauge
proof it all your saying is pure speculation and no evidence to support the claim.

the proof is in every match between the 2 spider-mans proven to be the superior also you can go to any profile and read up on their stats it shows there speeds are nowhere near eachothers, logan cant keep up with speedsters like speeddemon peter could

Originally posted by lando005
the proof is in every match between the 2 spider-mans proven to be the superior also you can go to any profile and read up on their stats it shows there speeds are nowhere near eachothers, logan cant keep up with speedsters like speeddemon peter could
actaully there normal listed about the same catagory or logan one level lower.

can you prove any thing you have said with feats? In there match ups spiderman ahs never proven to be the faster. You said spidermans far faster then logan in agility and reflex yet you can not prove it with feats?

Logan can't keep up with speedsters like speed demon lol? are you sure about that

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully there normal listed about the same catagory or logan one level lower.

can you prove any thing you have said with feats? In there match ups spiderman ahs never proven to be the faster. You said spidermans far faster then logan in agility and reflex yet you can not prove it with feats?

Logan can't keep up with speedsters like speed demon lol? are you sure about that

scans shouldnt be needed your the only person i've ever heard of stating that they are the same in speed and agility i'll get some up to prove my case but you should really think long and hard about what you just said

Originally posted by lando005
scans shouldnt be needed your the only person i've ever heard of stating that they are the same in speed and agility i'll get some up to prove my case but you should really think long and hard about what you just said
actaully many people think msot street level character are close to if not on par with spiderman agility and reflex.

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully many people think msot street level character are close to if not on par with spiderman agility and reflex. not really most streetlevelers are still within human limits spiderman is not his equalibrium has been greatly alterted and his bones while denser than normal are atleast twice as mallable as a normal human being's it's not physicly possible for guys like dd and wolverine to do the things he does they may come close to mimicing him but they cant copy him

back to the fight at hand before this becomes a spidy wolverine thread

Originally posted by lando005
not really most streetlevelers are still within human limits spiderman is not his equalibrium has been greatly alterted and his bones while denser than normal are atleast twice as mallable as a normal human being's it's not physicly possible for guys like dd and wolverine to do the things he does they may come close to mimicing him but they cant copy him
not really actauly.

wolevrien muscles and bones are so dense there far beyond human limits.

Originally posted by capt it up
not really actauly.

wolevrien muscles and bones are so dense there far beyond human limits.
dense maybe but are they flexable......let's get back to the cardiac fight agreed?

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully many people think msot street level character are close to if not on par with spiderman agility and reflex.

Those people are ill informed at best

Originally posted by Scoobless
Those people are ill informed at best

thats your opinion not what actauly true

Originally posted by lando005
dense maybe but are they flexable......let's get back to the cardiac fight agreed?
naw im finishing my response to henry the man who only comments are insults and he can't back up any thing he says

Originally posted by capt it up
thats your opinion not what actauly true

Actually it is true, it's been shown in comics for over 30 years, Wolverine, DareDevil, Batman, Captain America, Nightwing... none of them have speed, agility or reflexes on par with Spider-Man

Originally posted by Scoobless
Actually it is true, it's been shown in comics for over 30 years, Wolverine, DareDevil, Batman, Captain America, Nightwing... none of them have speed, agility or reflexes on par with Spider-Man
I seen the feats and msot all of them can match spidermans feats. I for one think spiderman is a little faster, but it only barly and would matetr little in combat since all fo them have proven to easiliy hit spiderman

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
his skin is bulletproofWhich means what against Wolverine's claws exactly???
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
he does have super human strength and the proof for that is when he was fighting wolverine and made a building collapse from a hit with his staff How does that prove a damn thing??? Cardiac wasn't even holding the staff when that happened. Wolverine knocked it into the building under his own power. The building collapsed because it's a POWERstaff, not because of any of Cardiac's strength.
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
and if you are so much into proves and scans then show me scans where wolverine takes him out otherwise it never happened They've already been provided. We have Wolverien beating Cardiac EASILY when mind controlled and stalemating him and surviving his best shots when Cardiac snuck up on his fight with Solo.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Cardiac has his skin laced with a vibranium mesh... which means he can take a hell of a lot... it might be difficult for Wolverine to stab him at all So what? Vibranium mesh/weave can be cut through and has on several occassions. Pure vibranium has been cut by adamantium blades. So your point is now pointless.
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
first of all cardiacs fight vs wolverine in wolverine #134 wasn't even a fight i mean cardiacs staff hits a building and it falls on cardiac thats it wolverine never won. Uh, how is it not a victory for Wolverine???

Cardiac cheap shots him
Wolverine takes out Solo after Cardiac engages him. (IE it was a double team)
Wolverine takes Cardiac's best shot.
Tears through his protective suit.
Disarms him of his main weapon.
Uses Cardiac's own weapon to collapse a wall on him.
Cardiac is out of the fight.

How the hell is that in any way not a win for Wolverine? So If Wolverine KOs Cap with his own shield is that now somehow not a victory??? Minus 10 points for lack of basic logic.
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
as you can see in the first fight wolverine didn't win it was cardiacs staff that did the job by accident Are you high? Wolverine was the one that deflected the staff into the wall, therefor Wolverine did it. And dont think for a second that it was an accident. Really grasping for straws there. If Wolverine hadn't beat him with the staff he would have just stabbed his ass anyway. Duh.
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
in the second fight cardiac was electrocuting him and then the fight stopped so it goes to cardiac How in the blue and purple hell did you come to that that BS conclusion?
1) Wolverine was fighting Solo.
2) Cardiac sneak attacked him from behind. AGAIN!!!
3) Cardiac's powerstaff did NOTHING to hurt Wolverine.
4) Wolverine was ready to continue that fight.
5) Nightcrawler stopped the fight because he wanted to, not because Wolverine needed him to. He stopped the fight before Wolverine KILLED Solo and Cardiac.
6) No one was beaten or even had any clear advantage. Therefor this was a stalemate. Obviously.

Lay off the pipe.
Originally posted by Scoobless
and he barely touched Solo either BS. Wolverine slashed Solo twice, threw a FULL dumster at him, and while the moron was reeling Wolverine was in mid air about to finish him off, until Cardiac's sniper attack saved his sorry ass.
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02.jpg

thats how fast wolverine , this is his super reflex right there, a man in armor was fast enough to grab him like that ... ye there you go ..super human reflex right there Yeah, he's fighting 3 or 4 MANDROIDS that are suped up by Shield, Stark, and multiple villian tech. Try reading the issue genius. 3 NORMAL Mandroids almost took out Wolverine, Storm, and Colossus once upon a time. I could show you about 30 scans of Spider-Man getting hit by normal humans. Does that mean he doesn't have super reflexes? No. Duh.
Originally posted by lando005
spiderman is far faster and agile than wolverine, logan is fast but nowhere near peter's leauge Wolverine is more than fast/agile enough to beat Spider-Man, just like Cardiac. Except Wolverine does it under his own power, not using projectiles. So what is your point?
Originally posted by lando005
the proof is in every match between the 2 spider-mans proven to be the superior also you can go to any profile and read up on their stats it shows there speeds are nowhere near eachothers, logan cant keep up with speedsters like speeddemon peter could Even though Wolverine has beaten or stalemated Spider-Man in just about every fight they've had???
Originally posted by Scoobless
Actually it is true, it's been shown in comics for over 30 years, Wolverine, DareDevil, Batman, Captain America, Nightwing... none of them have speed, agility or reflexes on par with Spider-Man Wolverine Cap and DD all have victories over him, so obviously their speed, agility, reflexes, etc are good enough to get the job done.

wolverine has never beaten spiderman infact it's quite the oppisite now lets stop this before this is a spidy wolverine thing

Originally posted by lando005
wolverine has never beaten spiderman infact it's quite the oppisite now lets stop this before this is a spidy wolverine thing
Wolverine vs. Spider-Man # 1: Wolverine could have poked his brain.
Marvel Comics Presents # 148: Wolverine knocked his ass all over the place without bothering to use his claws.
Marvel Knights Spider-Man # 13: Wolverine stabs him once. Spidey passes out.
Garth Ennis Punisher: While fighting Spidey and DD Wolverine slips out of a hold from Spidey and drop kicks him in the crotch hard enough to KO him.

So, you are wrong, wrong, and very wrong. Wolverine EASILY has what it takes to beat Sider-Man.

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine vs. Spider-Man # 1: Wolverine could have poked his brain.
Marvel Comics Presents # 148: Wolverine knocked his ass all over the place without bothering to use his claws.
Marvel Knights Spider-Man # 13: Wolverine stabs him once. Spidey passes out.
Garth Ennis Punisher: While fighting Spidey and DD Wolverine slips out of a hold from Spidey and drop kicks him in the crotch hard enough to KO him.

So, you are wrong, wrong, and very wrong. Wolverine EASILY has what it takes to beat Sider-Man.
you know what i'm not even getting into this right now wolverine fanboys are just outright stubbern, stick to the topic at hand

Originally posted by lando005
you know what i'm not even getting into this right now wolverine fanboys are just outright stubbern, stick to the topic at hand
maybe so, but at least we show evidence

At least you just admitted that you are a fanboy

hows this for proof

Originally posted by Scoobless
At least you just admitted that you are a fanboy


every one is slightly a fan boy in one way or another

Originally posted by lando005
hows this for proof
it terrbale proof lol. Not onyl does this proof nuthing, but it from the secret war in wich hulk held 150 billion tons while not mad lol.

Everyone here is a fan.... a fanboy is something else entirely ... and there are quite a few on KMC... and a lot of them seem to gravitate towards Wolverine

Wolverine is my favourite character. But I don't think he's God. For example: I don't think wolverine would win more than 5/10 against guys like spider man. The only reason he has a shot at beating spider man is that he is a far superior h2h combatant.

A fight between cap and wolverine would also be 5/10 if it's a fight ( to the death wolverine 8/10).

But since wolverine and cardiac never really duked it out I can't be sure who would win. But I think wolvie should take 5-6/10 in a fight. (To the death it's the same as with cap wolvie 8/10)

But thats just my opinion.

wolverine even admitted spidy was too much for him at the moment

Wolverine will definitely beat Cardiac the majority of the time... but in every Wolverine thread someone claims he's as fast/agile as Spider-Man.... which is total BS

Cardiac wins. Way too powerful.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Wolverine will definitely beat Cardiac the majority of the time... but in every Wolverine thread someone claims he's as fast/agile as Spider-Man.... which is total BS
he in the same league in thoses areas.

cardiac a to bit punk. spiderman or logan would whipe the floor with him

Originally posted by lando005
wolverine even admitted spidy was too much for him at the moment
when did he do this? I love to see that issue lol

Originally posted by Scoobless
Everyone here is a fan.... a fanboy is something else entirely ... and there are quite a few on KMC... and a lot of them seem to gravitate towards Wolverine
fine im a fan of wolverine. I am a fan of spiderman as well he my second favorit character.

I also a hgue fan of night crawler there just never any threads with him in it.

1. Is Wolverine is much faster than a normal human? - Yes

2. Is wolverine as fast as Spider man? - Hell no

3. Is wolverine a better fighter than Spider man? - Hell yes

As I said Wolvie has the ability to beat Spider man. But he won't take the majority (if he's not out for blood that is).

Against Cardiac he would win.

Originally posted by capt it up
when did he do this? I love to see that issue lol

Dude, even I saw it. In the Secret Wars issue where he beats the X-Men, he does say that Spiderman's too much for him.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Dude, even I saw it. In the Secret Wars issue where he beats the X-Men, he does say that Spiderman's too much for him.
I own the issue no he does not

Originally posted by Bol Gath
1. Is Wolverine is much faster than a normal human? - Yes

2. Is wolverine as fast as Spider man? - Hell no

3. Is wolverine a better fighter than Spider man? - Hell yes

As I said Wolvie has the ability to beat Spider man. But he won't take the majority (if he's not out for blood that is).

In a one on one, all-out fight? Spiderman takes it 9/10. Healing factor doesn't matter if you can get knocked out, and trust me, Peter can do that. If he almost killed Green Goblin(Harry) with one punch holding back when Harry took the Goblin formula and ENHANCED it, Wolverine will go down.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
In a one on one, all-out fight? Spiderman takes it 9/10. Healing factor doesn't matter if you can get knocked out, and trust me, Peter can do that. If he almost killed Green Goblin(Harry) with one punch holding back when Harry took the Goblin formula and ENHANCED it, Wolverine will go down.
he has yet been able to Ko Logan even when Logan allows spiderman to hit him.

this is not the thread for this bump the spiderman vs wolverine thread if you want

Originally posted by capt it up
I own the issue no he does not

Yeah, he does. You don't call that winning?

And when did I ever say I wanted Wolverine killed? You are not only a fanboy, but a liar, too.

Of course peter can Ko Wolverine... I have never argued against it. But he can beat him It's within his limits..

Originally posted by capt it up
he has yet been able to Ko Logan even when Logan allows spiderman to hit him.

this is not the thread for this bump the spiderman vs wolverine thread if you want

........What? When? Dude, this lying crap is getting old fast.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Yeah, he does. You don't call that winning?

And when did I ever say I wanted Wolverine killed? You are not only a fanboy, but a liar, too.
lier? what did I saw? what the **** are you talking about.

how does hitting logan once count as a win? how did he ebat the x-men? not to mention there was a lot of PIS in the little sqirmish

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
........What? When? Dude, this lying crap is getting old fast.
lying? when have I lied?

wolverien vs spiderm # 1 spiderman could nto spot logan from smiling

spiderman marvel knights logan allows spiderman to hit him after he stabed spiderman and spiderman was not holding back and was unable to KO logan

Originally posted by Bol Gath
Of course peter can Ko Wolverine... I have never argued against it. But he can beat him It's within his limits..

Spiderman is definately not as skilled, but has ENOUGH to catch on, especially with his incredible powers. Logan's speed is peak human at best. Spiderman dodged a machine gun without moving from his position.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Spiderman is definately not as skilled, but has ENOUGH to catch on, especially with his incredible powers. Logan's speed is peak human at best. Spiderman dodged a machine gun without moving from his position.
wolverine dodges machien gun firer. logan is beyond human limits which means superhuman

Originally posted by capt it up
lying? when have I lied?

Considering you just said I said I wanted Wolverine killed and telling me Wolverine just sat there and told Spiderman to hit him and absolutely nothing happened, I'd say you are lying.

Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine dodges machien gun firer. logan is beyond human limits which means superhuman

Then why wasn't he able dodge X-2's jab? Why wasn't he able to dodge Cyclopse's optic rays? Why wasn't he able to dodge Beast charging at him?

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Considering you just said I said I wanted Wolverine killed and telling me Wolverine just sat there and told Spiderman to hit him and absolutely nothing happened, I'd say you are lying.
when did I say you wanted logan dead? I think your seeing things. look back at what you quoted.


I nevwr said wolverine told spiderman to hit him I said he let spiderman wail on him which he did and I gave the issue numbers so don't call me a ****ing lier.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Then why wasn't he able dodge X-2's jab? Why wasn't he able to dodge Cyclopse's optic rays? Why wasn't he able to dodge Beast charging at him?
x-2 stabbed a wolverine who was helping her up. it called a cheap shot.

wolverine in origans eaisliy did dodge scotss blasts. what do you mean dodge beast? he Koed beast in a single pannel in enemy of the state

Originally posted by capt it up
x-2 stabbed a wolverine who was helping her up. it called a cheap shot.

AFTER that.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
AFTER that.
after that? you mean later on in the issue when she lunged at him and he caught both her arms with on hand becuase he just that fast. Not to mention he in the superhuman levels as well

Originally posted by capt it up
after that? you mean later on in the issue when she lunged at him and he caught both her arms with on hand becuase he just that fast. Not to mention he in the superhuman levels as well

No! Ugh! Not the same frickin' issue!

Originally posted by capt it up
when did I say you wanted logan dead?

You edited it! You lying bastard! My goodness gracious, you are stupid. I had it on that direct page and I updates it, and then it was gone!
This is too much.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
No! Ugh! Not the same frickin' issue!
x-2 has never stabbed logan ecpt for the cheap shot issue

Originally posted by capt it up
I nevwr said wolverine told spiderman to hit him I said he let spiderman wail on him which he did and I gave the issue numbers so don't call me a ****ing lier.

Once again, you edited it! I can't f*cking believe you! Of all of the lying things!

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
You edited it! You lying bastard! My goodness gracious, you are stupid. I had it on that direct page and I updates it, and then it was gone!
This is too much.
wtf are you talken about. dude I think ur going crazy lol

Originally posted by capt it up
I gave the issue numbers so don't call me a ****ing lier.

I love how that's together, considering you DIDN'T give me any issue numbers.

Originally posted by capt it up
wtf are you talken about. dude I think ur going crazy lol

You are the biggest liar! You are such a damn fanboy! Why can't you just accept something?

Well, let's see here.

-Superhuman Class 25 strength.
-Superhuman speed.
-Superhyman agility.
-High resistance to imact attacks
-Wears a vibranium-mesh suit (or laced with his skin, whatever), which increases his durability even further
-A healing factor here, "Superhuman Regenerative"
-AND "Extraordinary Genius".

Coupled with that, the scans above showing his ability to actually really hurt Wolverine...

Cardiac for the win.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
I love how that's together, considering you DIDN'T give me any issue numbers.
I did

spiderman vs wolverine # 1

and spiderman marvel knight issue 13 and 14

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
You are the biggest liar! You are such a damn fanboy! Why can't you just accept something?
im a fan boy? becuase you keep assisting I said some thing I did not.

dude I think ur seeing things

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, let's see here.

-Superhuman Class 25 strength.
-Superhuman speed.
-Superhyman agility.
-High resistance to imact attacks
-Wears a vibranium-mesh suit (or laced with his skin, whatever), which increases his durability even further
-A healing factor here, "Superhuman Regenerative"
-AND "Extraordinary Genius".

Coupled with that, the scans above showing his ability to actually really hurt Wolverine...

Cardiac for the win.
to bad that not an officia;l sight and you have no effeinces that he has any of those abilites.

Originally posted by capt it up
I did

spiderman vs wolverine # 1

and spiderman marvel knight issue 13 and 14

No you didn't!

Originally posted by capt it up
im a fan boy? becuase you keep assisting I said some thing I did not.

dude I think ur seeing things

.......................................................So you're NOT a Wolverine fanboy?
It is official. Capt It Up is a liar.

Originally posted by capt it up
to bad that not an officia;l sight and you have no effeinces that he has any of those abilites.

...Huh? You make reading hurt.

Originally posted by lando005
you know what i'm not even getting into this right now wolverine fanboys are just outright stubbern, stick to the topic at hand Was anything I posted about the Spidey vs. Wolverine fights wrong? No. Wolverine has gotten the upper hand on Spidey in several occassions, as I just proved. Meaning he is more than able to stand against a C-lister like Cardiac.
Originally posted by lando005
hows this for proof Spider-Man knocked Wolverine away from him and then ran away. What the hell does that prove? Did he beat Wolverine there? No. It proves Spider-Man can hit Wolverine. So what? Pointless post. It's also outnumbered by the number of times Wolverine has 1 upped Spidey.

The whole Spider-Man argument is stupid in this thread. Cardiac has beaten Spidey (I guess, I dont know). So has Wolverine. This aspect of the debate is now done. They can both beat Spider-Man. Cool. Let's move on.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
.......................................................So you're NOT a Wolverine fanboy?
It is official. Capt It Up is a liar.
im a wolverine fan. how am I a liar. You keep saying I said things I did not, it official you got nuthing so u say I am a liar

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
No you didn't!
yes I did.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Huh? You make reading hurt.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph


Indeed!

enough already from both side i've heard enough you guys got beef about spidy and wolverine? you wanna see who would win in an all out fight? go to the kaine vs wolverine thread i made and do all your complaining there both spidy and wolverine have a number of wins over each other for that particular issue that particular day in the mu wolverine beat spidy or spidy beat wolverine it will never end until the creaters themselves state who's the better so in the mean time i set up your death match



wolverine curbstomps cardiac

Originally posted by lando005
enough already from both side i've heard enough you guys got beef about spidy and wolverine? you wanna see who would win in an all out fight? go to the kaine vs wolverine thread i made and do all your complaining there both spidy and wolverine have a number of wins over each other for that particular issue that particular day in the mu wolverine beat spidy or spidy beat wolverine it will never end until the creaters themselves state who's the better so in the mean time i set up your death match



wolverine curbstomps cardiac
spiderman has never defeated logan

ya logan does curbstomp cardiac

Originally posted by capt it up
spiderman has never defeated logan

ya logan does curbstomp cardiac
i just said take it to the kaine wolverine didnt i

Originally posted by capt it up
spiderman has never defeated logan


http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4227/webbedwolverineownedhs7.jpg


whistling

Originally posted by Scoobless
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4227/webbedwolverineownedhs7.jpg


whistling

Call me old fashion but doesn't there need to be, you know, a fight before someone can be the victor? Spider-man being hot headed and webbing someone who is trying to talk and reason with him is hardly a victory... but I guess when you when you want to argue Spiderman > Wolverine you need to take what ever crumbs you can find.

Actually I have no idea what comic that image comes from... but Spider-Man is > Wolverine

Originally posted by capt it up
im a wolverine fan. how am I a liar.

You just said you weren't a Wolverine fanboy.

Originally posted by Scoobless
but Spider-Man is > Wolverine



I know that... but only because of webbing


I think it is Marvel Team-Up v3 issue... 1?

this is the wrong thread to get into this

Originally posted by Scoobless
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4227/webbedwolverineownedhs7.jpg


whistling

Thank you! Now, if I here yet again that Wolverine wins, I will scream.

Originally posted by lando005
this is the wrong thread to get into this


Most of Cardiac fights involve Spider-man. That makes him a good measuring stone and relevant to this thread.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Most of Cardiac fights involve Spider-man. That makes him a good measuring stone and relevant to this thread. the problem with that is all to clear it goes from wolverine vs cardiac to wolverine vs spider-man

make the judgement call on who would win based on their skills abilities and character designs not who fought who

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Thank you! Now, if I here yet again that Wolverine wins, I will scream.
that was not a fight so no one won. spiderman got hot head and webbed a talkign wolverine thats hardly a win. spiderman was being foolish and thought he new better. not to mention when logan wanted to he got right out

once again kaine vs wolverine

Originally posted by lando005
once again kaine vs wolverine
once again kaine is not spiderman

Originally posted by capt it up
once again kaine is not spiderman how is he not? he's a clone of spiderman a little degraded giveing him enhanced powers compared to peter but he still has all the memeories powers and abilities

Originally posted by lando005
how is he not? he's a clone of spiderman a little degraded giveing him enhanced powers compared to peter but he still has all the memeories powers and abilities
becuase he nto peter. he stornger and faster also.

Originally posted by capt it up
becuase he nto peter. he stornger and faster also. so a clone of peter is not peter? and yes he's stronger and faster a good exchange for no webbing

Originally posted by lando005
so a clone of peter is not peter? and yes he's stronger and faster a good exchange for no webbing

And no spider sense... though I'm not sure Kaine was Faster than Peter

Originally posted by Scoobless
And no spider sense... though I'm not sure Kaine was Faster than Peter he still has the spidersense it's just been mutated like his other abilities that's how he was having thoes visions

Originally posted by lando005
he still has the spidersense it's just been mutated like his other abilities that's how he was having thoes visions

It completely changed.... all it does is give him visions, it doesn't warn him of immediate danger anymore

Originally posted by Scoobless
It completely changed.... all it does is give him visions, it doesn't warn him of immediate danger anymore well even better for wolverine then, now take this match to that thread

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Thank you! Now, if I here yet again that Wolverine wins, I will scream. Wolverine wins, as has been proven and shown multiple times.

Screaming can now commence.

Originally posted by capt it up
that was not a fight so no one won. spiderman got hot head and webbed a talkign wolverine thats hardly a win. spiderman was being foolish and thought he new better. not to mention when logan wanted to he got right out

He didn't get "right out". Otherwise, he would've gotten out IMMEDIATELY. But it took him a bit.

Anyway. You wanna use that logic? Then that match where Wolverine stabs Spidey in the gut, that's no longer considered a fight either. It was a TRAINING SESSION. Not a fight. So now that whole bit of evidence is thrown out.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He didn't get "right out". Otherwise, he would've gotten out IMMEDIATELY. But it took him a bit.

Anyway. You wanna use that logic? Then that match where Wolverine stabs Spidey in the gut, that's no longer considered a fight either. It was a TRAINING SESSION. Not a fight. So now that whole bit of evidence is thrown out.

Neither of them is fight (though the training session is a lot closer to being one). I think the example of Wolverine stabbing Petter was beyond stupid (all though after the webbed to wall incident and the knocked through "unbreakable glass" thing... well... I'm surprised that Spider-man isn't dead) Wolverine, master samurai with accuracy so precise he can cut the wings of flys and throw three throwing darts into the end of its predecessor, somehow accidentally stabs Spider-man? I don't have a problem with Spider-man being stabbed since he was in midair and their was no way he could change his momentum or contort his body to avoid an attack aimed at center mass but it was still stupid.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Neither of them is fight (though the training session is a lot closer to being one). I think the example of Wolverine stabbing Petter was beyond stupid (all though after the webbed to wall incident and the knocked through "unbreakable glass" thing... well... I'm surprised that Spider-man isn't dead) Wolverine, master samurai with accuracy so precise he can cut the wings of flys and throw three throwing darts into the end of its predecessor, somehow accidentally stabs Spider-man? I don't have a problem with Spider-man being stabbed since he was in midair and their was no way he could change his momentum or contort his body to avoid an attack aimed at center mass but it was still stupid.



Even though it was an act of both PIS and CIS, I'm glad you at least agree that it was stupid as hell.