Captain America (No Shield) versus Batman (No Belt)

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masterbruce
Who wins?

Beta Ray Howard
Probably the same as the Slade fight from Deathstroke 7. Batman would probably lose because he's not enhanced.

Equal Bodies, Batman would take majority.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by masterbruce
Who wins?

So its H2H?

Cap's training isn't at Batman's level and fighting ability counts for more than strength and speed when you are at their level.

masterbruce
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Probably the same as the Slade fight from Deathstroke 7. Batman would probably lose because he's not enhanced.

Equal Bodies, Batman would take majority.

I agree that physically Cap might be slightly superior to Batman, but you have to consider the fact that Bruce is extremely knowledgeable in many different forms of martial arts and also his knowledge of deadly pressure points may give him a great advantage.

Beta Ray Howard
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So its H2H?

Cap's training isn't at Batman's level and fighting ability counts for more than strength and speed when you are at their level.

I half agree. We don't know anything about Cap's training, because it's never been mentioned. Here's what we do know -

He's one of the best on Marvel Earth, as stated by Nick Fury, I believe.

According to Zemo, he's one of the greatest fighters of all time.

According to himself, he's mastered every form of combat on Earth, which he stated when he fought Zemo.

He's learned a complex martial art in a day's time.

He learned interstallar martial arts during his time in the future whilst fighting Korvac.

They don't go into specifics like they do with Batman.

Beta Ray Howard
Originally posted by masterbruce
I agree that physically Cap might be slightly superior to Batman, but you have to consider the fact that Bruce is extremely knowledgeable in many different forms of martial arts and also his knowledge of deadly pressure points may give him a great advantage.

Cap also knows pressure point combat, and utilizes it against his opponents. Before Batman utilized them on Solomon Grundy, Cap used them on Hulk and was able to hold his own, and even throw the big lug like he was a fly.

Like I mentioned before, it would probably be like the fight from Deathstroke 7. Want me to post it?

masterbruce
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Cap also knows pressure point combat, and utilizes it against his opponents. Before Batman utilized them on Solomon Grundy, Cap used them on Hulk and was able to hold his own, and even throw the big lug like he was a fly.


Well, remember, in this fight Captain America doesn't have his shield. I think he's more used to fighting with a shield than Batman is with his utility belt.

Beta Ray Howard
Originally posted by masterbruce
Well, remember, in this fight Captain America doesn't have his shield. I think he's more used to fighting with a shield than Batman is with his utility belt.

Cap's fighting style isn't reliant on his shield like most think. It's used mostly as a projectile and for defense, and it's not like he hasn't done anything without it either.

The shield helps close the gap between him and a superpowered opponent. Batman doesn't have superpowers.

Soleran
I'm going with Cap in the fight with no gear.

capt it up
capt due to his endurence and overall edge in other area's

Beta Ray Howard
Here's essentially how I see it going. Just substitute Slade for Cap.

http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/827670/deathstroke07page019.jpg http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/827671/deathstroke07page020.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/827672/deathstroke07page021.jpg http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/827673/deathstroke07page022.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/827674/deathstroke07page023.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/827675/deathstroke07page024.jpg

masterbruce
I'm unclear, I think if this is purely a brawl, then Cap wins after a hard fought battle.

But if Batman lands a pressure hit (ie on Cap's solar plexus) than Batman will win.

Symmetric Chaos
Hmm . . .

I seem to have underestimated Cap's skill level. Its close but he'll take a majority.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by masterbruce

But if Batman lands a pressure hit (ie on Cap's solar plexus) than Batman will win.

The opposite is true as well of course . . .

Beta Ray Howard
Originally posted by masterbruce
I'm unclear, I think if this is purely a brawl, then Cap wins after a hard fought battle.

But if Batman lands a pressure hit (ie on Cap's solar plexus) than Batman will win.

I'm guessing you're thinking of the Leopard blow?

Even landing that wouldn't do much. Cap's been hit with similar, and due to his physiology he can still keep going, though he'd be in a LOT of pain.

masterbruce
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The opposite is true as well of course . . .

except that pressure points is more Batman's forte than it is Cap's

Beta Ray Howard
Originally posted by masterbruce
except that pressure points is more Batman's forte than it is Cap's

Not really. Cap utilizes them a lot. Thats why his shield shots do so much damage to superpowered opponents. You'd have to know pressure points to pull off the things he does. That's why USAgent only uses his shield as a battering ram, whereas Cap is more precise.

WrathfulDwarf
Hasn't this been done before? confused

Anywhoo...I still go with Batman. Capt is too juiced and takes foreigns susbstances to enhance his body.

Cheaters never win in my book.

rotiart
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Hasn't this been done before? confused

Anywhoo...I still go with Batman. Capt is too juiced and takes foreigns susbstances to enhance his body.

Cheaters never win in my book.

If they don't notice in the NFL and NBA...

Anyways i go with cap. He's the kind of fighter that takes on dozens of Hydra... goes up against spiderman... cuts the rug with iron man... has taken down the hyde..

spiderman's even said that caps got one of the hardest punches he's ever taken...

all that said? its a 50/50 draw.
caps more power (though he does have finesse) but bats is more skill...

cap could be said to know less overall martial arts, but what he knows is applicable in real life combat. and he utilizes it well. Not all martial arts (ie. Taekwondo.) were made for actual combat.

ps2 vs xbox. lesser tech vs greater tech. Who won that war? the lesser. Why? greater application of what it could do.

Current video games... eh whatever.. but thats the jist of my point.

Kaos sebaceous
Hmmm this would probly be real close

Id say Cap 6/10

srankmissingnin
Captain America wins, he is just better then Batman in every conceivable way (minus intelligence). He is stronger then Batman, he is faster then Batman and most importantly he is more skilled then Batman. Captain America is considered to be the premier (earth based) martial artist in Marvel, at the worst he is tied for first with a few others. Is the same true for Batman? No. Richard Dragon, Shiva, Cass and Connor Hawke are considered to be his superiors in skill. The two people at the top of the list of Batman's superiors are basically inferior versions of Shang Chi. Captain America is Shang Chi's superior... Shang Chi's own rogue gallery has confirmed as much. There is a reason Captain America is number one in his world while Batman is not.

Batman-Prime
Deathstroke won because they wanted to hype him a bit, you can see that kind of bad writing in all comics.
Overall I go with Batman, he has the will and determination to win this fight, even if his opponent is Captain America, Batman 6/10.

Metalmanx
Cap wins 6/10.

Badabing
Been done.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/387943_1-captain-america-vs-batman-no-shield-no-gadgets

WrathfulDwarf
Originally posted by rotiart
If they don't notice in the NFL and NBA...

Anyways i go with cap. He's the kind of fighter that takes on dozens of Hydra... goes up against spiderman... cuts the rug with iron man... has taken down the hyde..

spiderman's even said that caps got one of the hardest punches he's ever taken...

all that said? its a 50/50 draw.
caps more power (though he does have finesse) but bats is more skill...

cap could be said to know less overall martial arts, but what he knows is applicable in real life combat. and he utilizes it well. Not all martial arts (ie. Taekwondo.) were made for actual combat.

ps2 vs xbox. lesser tech vs greater tech. Who won that war? the lesser. Why? greater application of what it could do.

Current video games... eh whatever.. but thats the jist of my point.

I see your POV and agree to a certain level.

For me Captain America without his shield is practically a military version of Bane.

This would most likely be a draw. But I still favor Batman in the sense of non-body enhancements.

Newjak
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Deathstroke won because they wanted to hype him a bit, you can see that kind of bad writing in all comics.
Overall I go with Batman, he has the will and determination to win this fight, even if his opponent is Captain America, Batman 6/10. How exactly do you hype someone that in his first appearance tags kid flash confused

LethalFemme
Originally posted by masterbruce
Who wins?

If Batman has no belt won't his pants fall down?dd

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by LethalFemme
If Batman has no belt won't his pants fall down?dd
Perv. no expression

LethalFemme
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Perv. no expression

Joke.pfft

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by LethalFemme
Joke.pfft

Sure

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by LethalFemme
Joke.pfft
Anyways Batman likes Robin. sick
http://www.frankdecaro.com/recipes/photos/batman-and-robin/Batman%20Kiss.jpg

LethalFemme
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Sure

Ssh.secret

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Anyways Batman likes Robin. sick
http://www.frankdecaro.com/recipes/photos/batman-and-robin/Batman%20Kiss.jpg

And you called me a perv.lol

Mindship
Batman vs Batman-plus? Cap wins.

guy222
Originally posted by masterbruce
Who wins?

Capt

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Anyways Batman likes Robin. sick
http://www.frankdecaro.com/recipes/photos/batman-and-robin/Batman%20Kiss.jpg

laughing out loud

Yeah

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Batbed.png

And here he admits it

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/Batman_panel_-_Robin_what_have_I_done_to_you.jpg

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Newjak
How exactly do you hype someone that in his first appearance tags kid flash confused

I allow him to defeat one of the main chars of the Company, Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman, that should give him some reputation wink.

LethalFemme
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
laughing out loud

Yeah

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Batbed.png

And here he admits it

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/Batman_panel_-_Robin_what_have_I_done_to_you.jpg

rofl

Newjak
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I allow him to defeat one of the main chars of the Company, Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman, that should give him some reputation wink. He already did beat Batman. Tangoed with WW even managing to surprise her. Tagged the real Flash twice.

And just for fun as had Superman comment on his agility before wink

spidey-dude
cap

NiņoAraņa
after CW7...who wins this NOW? shifty

endrict
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Here's essentially how I see it going. Just substitute Slade for Cap.

http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/827670/deathstroke07page019.jpg http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/827671/deathstroke07page020.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/827672/deathstroke07page021.jpg http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/827673/deathstroke07page022.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/827674/deathstroke07page023.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/827675/deathstroke07page024.jpg


What issue is that??? I want it

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