Carnage vs. Venom

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Nikkolas
So, let's settle this.

Carnage surpasses Brock in all stats and there's no logical way for someone who s barely half as strong as theri opponent to physically defeat them.

And don't bullshit me that Marvel doesn't update its directory... I can name two characters who, in the most recent update, have gone up in listed strength. So, it stands that Carnage is Class 50 and Venom is Class 30.

So, let's talk win-loss records between the two.

guy222
Originally posted by Nikkolas
So, let's settle this.

Carnage surpasses Brock in all stats and there's no logical way for someone who s barely half as strong as theri opponent to physically defeat them.

And don't bullshit me that Marvel doesn't update its directory... I can name two characters who, in the most recent update, have gone up in listed strength. So, it stands that Carnage is Class 50 and Venom is Class 30.

So, let's talk win-loss records between the two.

Carnage

Priest
Im sure venom has a better win lose record against carnage.

Big Sexy
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=7833603 roll eyes (sarcastic)

Metalmanx
Carnage SHOULD win, as he is more powerful in pretty much every aspect.

However, in a comic, the victory would probably go to Venom.

Soljer
It's been done.

Oh, and Venom's beaten the shit out of Carnage FAR more often than the other way around.

Nikkolas
Fantastic.

Mind actually...ya know, proving some of that? I'm sure you have every issue with Carnage and Venom and could pull them all out right now and tell us that Venom won here, here, and here and Carnage won here and here? 'cause if you could, that be swell.

Otherwise, saying things like "Oh, and Venom's beaten the shit out of Carnage FAR more often than the other way around" has no basis as you're not possessing every instance they fought and thus could not state as a fact that Venom has beaten him more times than not.

Soljer
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Fantastic.

Mind actually...ya know, proving some of that? I'm sure you have every issue with Carnage and Venom and could pull them all out right now and tell us that Venom won here, here, and here and Carnage won here and here? 'cause if you could, that be swell.

Otherwise, saying things like "Oh, and Venom's beaten the shit out of Carnage FAR more often than the other way around" has no basis as you're not possessing every instance they fought and thus could not state as a fact that Venom has beaten him more times than not.

What the f**k? So, do I need to whip out every instance of Hulk vs. Wolverine to prove that the Hulk would beat Wolverine?

Nikkolas
Worst. Analogy. Ever.

The parallels between Hulk and Wolverine and Carnage and Venom are non-existent. Wolverine loses to Hulk because he's...10 billion times below him in every aspect. There's no reason for Venom to beat Carnage as Carnage is more powerful thaN Venom in pretty much every way.

So...analogy is total fail.

Redatom65
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Worst. Analogy. Ever.

So...analogy is total fail.

That's going on a t-shirt

Soljer
But, the Hulk DOES beat Wolverine damn near every time they've met.

Wolverine has a sporadic win or two, but every other time? It's Hulk's fight.

Same with Venom and Carnage. The ONLY time that Carnage dominated Venom was in Savage Alliance. Pretty much every other time they've met, Venom's nearly killed him.

Jyppe
Originally posted by Soljer
But, the Hulk DOES beat Wolverine damn near every time they've met.

Wolverine has a sporadic win or two, but every other time? It's Hulk's fight.

Same with Venom and Carnage. The ONLY time that Carnage dominated Venom was in Savage Alliance. Pretty much every other time they've met, Venom's nearly killed him.

Not true really. They both have around equal amount of victories over each other. AFAIK the only time Venom complitely pwned Carnage was "on trial" And if you count the time when Venom ate Cletus' symbiote, but I don't count that really as a victory as Cletus didn't even turn in to Carnage to fight.

I'd say Venom would win, he's more craftier and the better fighter of the 2.

Sam Z
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Fantastic.

Mind actually...ya know, proving some of that? I'm sure you have every issue with Carnage and Venom and could pull them all out right now and tell us that Venom won here, here, and here and Carnage won here and here? 'cause if you could, that be swell.

Otherwise, saying things like "Oh, and Venom's beaten the shit out of Carnage FAR more often than the other way around" has no basis as you're not possessing every instance they fought and thus could not state as a fact that Venom has beaten him more times than not.

Would you actually mind to name issue aside from "savage alliance" (which is Carnage's first appearance) where Carnage had an upperhand in fight against Venom?
You see, i actually DO have EVERY issue of their fights and can pull them right now, but I won't bother typing. I'd rather post the scans.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Worst. Analogy. Ever.

The parallels between Hulk and Wolverine and Carnage and Venom are non-existent. Wolverine loses to Hulk because he's...10 billion times below him in every aspect. There's no reason for Venom to beat Carnage as Carnage is more powerful thaN Venom in pretty much every way.

So...analogy is total fail.
You don't read too much comics do you?

Nikkolas
I read enough to know that Hulk vs. Wolverine is the worst analogy in history when talking about Venom vs. Carnage....the gap between Hulk and Logan is lightyears wide. The gap between Carnage and Venom is paper-thin in comparison.

Soljer
...Extrapolating to an extreme case is not 'the worst analogy ever.'

It's a method of explanation very often used world wide.

The gap between Venom and Carnage may not be as wide as the one between the Hulk and Wolverine, but Venom's still won pretty much every fight they've had. Just like the Hulk's won pretty much every fight against Logan.

Sam Z
Maximum Carnage fight:
1 http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0201rb9.jpg
2 http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0202ck2.jpg
3 http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0203jz9.jpg
Maximum Carnage fight 2
1 http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0218ov4.jpg
2 http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanunlimited0219fb9.jpg


Carnage vs Venom fight
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7236160

Triumphant:
Embarrasses Carnage
1 http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7833601
2 http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7833603
On trial:
1 http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7236164
2 http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6638834

And second time he attacks Carnage on trial:



As I said. Savage alliance is the only book where Carnage was winning a fight against Venom.
Seriously, marvel should update their directories...

Jvenom
Lets not forget about the conclusion of Maximum Carnage. Yes, Carnage's mind was messed up but you also must remember Venom was greatly weakened from the torture he was put through just before their big fight. Venom pawned Carnage throughout that entire comic.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by Jyppe
Not true really. They both have around equal amount of victories over each other. AFAIK the only time Venom complitely pwned Carnage was "on trial" And if you count the time when Venom ate Cletus' symbiote, but I don't count that really as a victory as Cletus didn't even turn in to Carnage to fight.

I'd say Venom would win, he's more craftier and the better fighter of the 2.

Venom beat the crap out of Carnage at the end of Maximum Carnage more than once. I would say that Carnage and Cletus were both terrified of Venom when he ate the symbiote.


Originally posted by Jvenom
Lets not forget about the conclusion of Maximum Carnage. Yes, Carnage's mind was messed up but you also must remember Venom was greatly weakened from the torture he was put through just before their big fight. Venom pawned Carnage throughout that entire comic.
Co-sign


I would go as far to say that Venom may have gotten stronger than Carnage. Also, Venom pretty much built up a resistance to fire and sonics later on (they still have effect on him). This is Venom after he separated from Eddie and bonded with the mob bosses kid.



http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/Ptr_Grifin/v23xt.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/Ptr_Grifin/v18cj.jpg



I wish I had a dollar for every time someone posted "Venom" or "Carnage".

Nataku8188
I'm a huge Carnage fan, and I've always said Carnage would beat Venom, but damn, I just realized that he never does. Venom really does just beat the shit out of Carnage. Every time Carnage beats on Venom it's because it's not a direct 1v1 fight, there's always something else going on. It doesn't make sense statistically, but it's the truth.

Venom, 8/10

inamilist
Originally posted by Nataku8188
I'm a huge Carnage fan, and I've always said Carnage would beat Venom, but damn, I just realized that he never does. Venom really does just beat the shit out of Carnage. Every time Carnage beats on Venom it's because it's not a direct 1v1 fight, there's always something else going on. It doesn't make sense statistically, but it's the truth.

Venom, 8/10

you rock

Combat
I always said Carnage is better, with stats he might be but Venom is damn to smart when he fights. He is a great fighter able to use his surroundings and knows how to hurt a man.

Carnage has allot of potential know, if he wasn't so stupid/crazy.

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