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Same scenario as DH1 but it's Bane taking over the building, instead of letting his thugs handle Mac instead Bane takes the fight to Mac who has his shoes and isn't so beat up meaning he's fresh. Mac also knows about Bane and his mask...so...who wins?

McClane shoots Bane in the head.

Roll credits.

Probably shoulda stated this in the OP that Mac doesn't have his gun, thought it would be common knowledge he didn't since I didn't state that he had a gun but I guess I should say this is a fist fight till a KO or death

Indeed. Rules be rules.

Well H2H I say Bane has his work cut out for him. Hes not met anyone with McClane's durability and McClane was better and dirtier a fighter than Batman, willing to actually kill, and if we're talking early McClane hes way better conditioned than Bruce was in TDKR.

He is resourceful enough to pick up a lump of wood or metal or anything from the environment around him and batter Bane to death or stab him through the face with it.

Plus he is lucky enough to even accidentally mess up Bane's mask, crippling him also leading to soon-after coup de grace.
But since he knows, Bane is doomed.

But with his trusty side arm the fight lasts 2 secs in massive McVictory.

H2H? McClane's damage soak > Bane's. McClane is crafty, he'll go right for the mask and then it's game over.

IDK. How would you rank Bane on a MA level compared to, say, Colonel Stuart or Mai Linh?

LoL, pure spite.

McClane with knowledge of his opponent's weakness is essentially animated Batman with prep. He can't lose.

Ok so if we take away Mac's knowledge...makes it more fair? If so then I'm taking away Mac's knowledge of Bane and his mask

This vs thread..... Impediment predicted it.

Every thread is spite vs McClane. Didn't everyone get the memo?

Not everyone, but possibly this one, but like I said, where does Bane rank amongst martial artists such as Stuart, Mai Lihn, or Targo? That will determine the fight

McClane loses, and frankly, you're an idiot if you disagree.

Originally posted by Kazenji
This vs thread..... Impediment predicted it.

I got the idea from him

Originally posted by Kazenji
This vs thread..... Impediment predicted it.


Originally posted by steverules_2
I got the idea from him


I knew this would happen. I just knew it.

awermm

Originally posted by Mindset
McClane loses, and frankly, you're an idiot if you disagree.

Bane's fist finds a comfortable new home inside McClane's skull.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Ok so if we take away Mac's knowledge...makes it more fair? If so then I'm taking away Mac's knowledge of Bane and his mask

Uuuuuummmm that would be gimping... ("changing conditions and attributes of a matchup until one side that would normally loses wins"

But Mcclane being lucky enough to damage it first shot without knowing it (especially as Banes wears it in the middle of the zone McClane will be going for makes it a forgone conclusion.)

Originally posted by Impediment
I knew this would happen. I just knew it.

awermm

awesome I made it cause the names rhyme

Originally posted by NemeBro


Bane's fist finds a comfortable new home inside McClane's skull.

Unlikely , given McClane's proven durability.

McClane never gets KOed, even when he's getting kicked out of a window

Highly likely, given McClane's piss-poor fighting style, as shown here:


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Uuuuuummmmmm you mean the fight afterwhich which McClane was alive and his opponent (along with his 15 of his opponents highly trained friends) were killed and McClane went on to save the day..?

Hmmmmmmm.

Yep, "afterwhich", which means we are talking purely about the H2H fight in which McClane got the manshit beat out of him, not irrelevant stuff that happened after

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Unlikely , given McClane's proven durability. It doesn't really matter considering McClane is too weak and too poor a fighter to be able to even begin resisting Bane.

How would've Bane faired against the Ninja chick in Live Free or Die Hard?

Originally posted by NemeBro
It doesn't really matter considering McClane is too weak and too poor a fighter to be able to even begin resisting Bane.

It's pretty obvious who's superior when you have to gimp McClane by taking away his gun AND knowledge.

Well he was "too poor" a fighter to beat all his opponents onscreen too....yet he killed them all and went for a beer.

Purely flair based and poncey slappy slappy crap doesnt really work.
That was why Riggs lost to McClane.

Its the effective and often dirty stuff that works. Straight from A to B sorta shit.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's pretty obvious who's superior when you have to gimp McClane by taking away his gun AND knowledge.

Originally posted by Mindset
McClane loses, and frankly, you're an idiot if you disagree.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well he was "too poor" a fighter to beat all his opponents onscreen too....yet he killed them all and went for a beer.

He killed them via non-H2H means, so it's irrelevant

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Purely flair based and poncey slappy slappy crap doesnt really work.
That was why Riggs lost to McClane.

Wait a second, are you saying McClane is immune to H2H?

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's pretty obvious who's superior when you have to gimp McClane by taking away his gun AND knowledge.

Of course he doesn't have a gun. It's a H2H fight........

If McClane had a weapon (doesn't have to be a gun....a knife would do) or knew banes mask weakness he would win but just a straight up fight Bane would rape him.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well he was "too poor" a fighter to beat all his opponents onscreen too....yet he killed them all and went for a beer.

Purely flair based and poncey slappy slappy crap doesnt really work.
That was why Riggs lost to McClane.

Its the effective and often dirty stuff that works. Straight from A to B sorta shit. Who said anything about flair based and poncey slappy slappy crap?

Bane just punches McClane's face over and over again.

No, the mythical "McClane Factor" will come in and make the roof collapse on Bane at the last second, since that's the only way McClane will get a win here

So even though this fight takes place in the same scenario as Die Hard 1.

McClane doesn't have all the tools at his disposal as he had in the film?

He has to take on Bane in the same situation as Batman did in TDKRs after many rewrites?

I call shenanigans.

Damn you ninjak!

But no, if Bane headed the Nakatomi mercs, McClane would not have survived. For one thing, Bane isn't stupid enough to not conduct a patdown

The terrorists arrived after the party.

McClane shoots Bane in the freakin head!

Bane didn't foresee a supercop.

Only thing getting freaked is McClane's spine when Bane breaks it

Good to see that for McClane to lose he needs to be gimped of his resources and knowledge.

Here's an idea for another like fight, Superman Vs Bane, cept Superman has been totally drained of his powers. Go!

Nah, even if he had his resources and knowledge of DH1, he still is going to get freaked by Bane. Bane is on a completely different level than Hans.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Who said anything about flair based and poncey slappy slappy crap?

Bane just punches McClane's face over and over again.

Something that we have seen done to McClane over and over again.

And McClane endures, survives and kills the bad guy over and over again.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Nah, even if he had his resources and knowledge of DH1, he still is going to get freaked by Bane. Bane is on a completely different level than Hans.

1) McClane gets a gun from one of Bane's henchmen (as he did in DH1)

2) McClane shots Bane right in the face through his mask, as he has no problem killing

3) McClane adds quick quip

4) Roll Credits

Originally posted by Lestov16
No, the mythical "McClane Factor" will come in and make the roof collapse on Bane at the last second, since that's the only way McClane will get a win here

Maybe....or maybe McClane's Beretta (standard Die Hard 1 gear that he starts the movie with) delivers a 9mm round between Bane's eyes?
Bane is actually fighting someone here who is allowed to and can kill.

He endures because his opponents are idiots who won't finish him off, or he is BFRed. You have yet to show McClane outfighting anybody in pure H2H

Originally posted by Lestov16
Only thing getting freaked is McClane's spine when Bane breaks it

Only thing being freaked is Bane's brains once splattered all over Nakatomi Plaza's walls.

Originally posted by Robtard
1) McClane gets a gun from one of Bane's henchmen (as he did in DH1)

2) McClane shots Bane right in the face through his mask, as he has no problem killing

3) McClane adds quick quip

4) Roll Credits

Because it was exactly that oh-so-simple when McClane took on Hans, a far lesser criminal mastermind in comparison to Bane

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because it was exactly that oh-so-simple when McClane took on Hans, a far lesser criminal mastermind in comparison to Bane Originally posted by the ninjak
Only thing being freaked is Bane's brains once splattered all over Nakatomi Plaza's walls.
It will be once the OP's intent on Bane fighting McClane first comes into effect.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Maybe....or maybe McClane's Beretta (standard Die Hard 1 gear that he starts the movie with) delivers a 9mm round between Bane's eyes?
Bane is actually fighting someone here who is allowed to and can kill.


But McClane is fighting someone here who is intelligent enough to do patdowns. Remember when they held up the Stock Exchange? They are far more comptent than the Hans Brigade

Watch the movie called Die Hard, you'll see that the Hans character you mention was a very smart man.

Are you saying he was smarter than Bane?

.....what real feat of "uber" intelligence did bane have? In TDKR I entirely interpreted the plan as Talias and Bane was her solider.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Are you saying he was smarter than Bane?
Certainly!

Bane was just the lapdog of Talia. Bane was nothing more than a dog of war.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because it was exactly that oh-so-simple when McClane took on Hans, a far lesser criminal mastermind in comparison to Bane

Bane wasn't a mastermind, Talia was. He was the muscle. McClane did get a gun in DH from the henchmen.

Sorry, just going to have to deal that Bane goes down to a single bullet. I know he's the new shiny, but deal

Then you interpreted it wrong. Bane and Talia were equals. Hence, why Bane chooses to ignore her "order". Bane was in charge of the military conquest and Talia was in charge of the economic. There is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do.

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The Joker was better

Originally posted by ares834
Then you interpreted it wrong. Bane and Talia were equals. Hence, why Bane chooses to ignore her "order". Bane was in charge of the military conquest and Talia was in charge of the economic. There is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do.

lolz the final order was only once in the act of finality. Where the plan no longer had any consequence.

Originally posted by Lestov16
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The Joker was better

Of course!

Originally posted by ares834
Then you interpreted it wrong. Bane and Talia were equals. Hence, why Bane chooses to ignore her "order". Bane was in charge of the military conquest and Talia was in charge of the economic. There is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do.

except for when she gives him orders on screen....

And he ignores it... So much for her "order".

Originally posted by ares834
And he ignores it... So much for her "order". Originally posted by the ninjak
lolz the final order was only once in the act of finality. Where the plan no longer had any consequence.



Of course!

just because he ignores it doesn't make it any less an order you do realize that right? So ignoring the order or not she was clearly giving him an order. He was nothing more then her solider. If I join the army and ignore an order from the ranking officer doesn't make me his partner.......

I still have a hard time believing that Hans is more intelligent than Bane

Originally posted by ares834
Then you interpreted it wrong. Bane and Talia were equals. Hence, why Bane chooses to ignore her "order". Bane was in charge of the military conquest and Talia was in charge of the economic. There is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do.

No, they were not equals. While Bane wasn't some moron, he was her lackey and she was the one that had planned out the entire scenario as revenge for her father's death.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
just because he ignores it doesn't make it any less an order you do realize that right? So ignoring the order or not she was clearing giving him an order. He was nothing more then her solider. If I join the army and ignore an order from the ranking officer doesn't make me his partner.......

Accept it certainly didn't come across as an order, more of a suggestion. And even if we say Talia is the leader, which I find to be unfounded, there is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do throughout the movie. We see Bane is a tactical genius right from the start when he calls out that one CIA Agent on his BS.

Originally posted by ares834
Accept it certainly didn't come across as an order, more of a suggestion. And even if we say Talia is the leader, which I find to be unfounded, there is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do throughout the movie. We see Bane is a tactical genius right from the start when he calls out that one CIA Agent on his BS.

for starters it doesn't take a tactical genius to see the fallacy in shooting someone before throwing them off a plane....

and her stern "NO keep him alive" seemed like an order to me. As far as the rest Im not saying he's stupid because he wasn't he just isn't as smart as people think. There was nothing to show he was her partner and there was certainly no evidence to prove he came up with the plan. What we have to go on is the order Talia gave bane at the end and the story she tells as she dies. Plus she even refers to him as her protector. IMO there is more evidence to support him being her solider then them being partners. In fact it seemed to me Bane didn't care about destroying gotham he just wanted to beat batman but this is just speculation.

Bane only wanted to enact Talia's wishes for he loved her.
Yet his personal pride also shone above her final wishes once he saw that they had no consequence....simple.
His failings had nothing to do with the endgame due to Catwoman's interferance.


Bane is screwed. McClane kills him.

So you are just assuming that Talia came up with the plan because you think she is in charge? We never see Talia telling Bane how to execute the plan, and when she is revealed it isn't suggested that she even came up with it. Bane, on the other hand, shows us his genius throughout the movie like how he escapes from the Stock Market.

And nah, he seems to be into destroying Gotham. Ra's saved him from the Pit, I could see him having some affection for the guy even if Ra's ousted him. Plus he continues to go on and on about how he will fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny.

It must suck to be Bane. For the second time in a row he has become the henchman for a villainess

Originally posted by ares834
So you are just assuming that Talia came up with the plan because you think she is in charge? We never see Talia telling Bane how to execute the plan, and when she is revealed it isn't suggested that she even came up with it. Bane, on the other hand, shows us his genius throughout the movie like how he escapes from the Stock Market.

And nah, he seems to be into destroying Gotham. Ra's saved him from the Pit, I could see him having some affection for the guy even if Ra's ousted him. Plus he continues to go on and on about how he will fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny. Originally posted by Lestov16
It must suck to be Bane. For the second time in a row he has become the henchman for a villainess

Yes. Though Bane was ousted by the League due to his monstrous nature. One Talia no doubt took advantage of.

Originally posted by ares834
So you are just assuming that Talia came up with the plan because you think she is in charge? We never see Talia telling Bane how to execute the plan, and when she is revealed it isn't suggested that she even came up with it. Bane, on the other hand, shows us his genius throughout the movie like how he escapes from the Stock Market.

And nah, he seems to be into destroying Gotham. Ra's saved him from the Pit, I could see him having some affection for the guy even if Ra's ousted him. Plus he continues to go on and on about how he will fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny.

no actually you are the one assuming Bane came up with it because you want to believe he did. There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim. I on the other hand have Talia not only giving bane an order to go on but Talia actually announcing it was her idea. But like I said this is how I and others have interpreted it. You can interpret it however you want but don't come on here saying "you interrupted it wrong then" when there is no evidence to back it up. mine might be vague but at least it is there.

as for the last part like I said it was speculation...

Where does Talia announce it was her plan? She may have said she wants to destroy Gotham and get revenge, yet that doesn't mean she planned it. Basically, we see Bane executing all the militaristic aspects of the plot without anyone telling him how to do it nor at the ending is it suggested that Talia told him what to do.

Edit: Plus he goes around saying he is the LoS... No reason to mention that if it weren't true.

Movie Bane was utter fail. Crappy voice, unimpressive body, got his ass kicked by a broken Batman, a lackey for Talia and went out like a *****, to Catwoman of all people.

McClane wastes him and comes up with a much better one-liner to boot.

Originally posted by ares834
Where does Talia announce it was her plan? She may have said she wants to destroy Gotham and get revenge, yet that doesn't mean she planned it. Basically, we see Bane executing all the militaristic aspects of the plot without anyone telling him how to do it nor at the ending is it suggested that Talia told him what to do.

Edit: Plus he goes around saying he is the LoS... No reason to mention that if it weren't true.

Well....

-By the fact that she was stationed the whole time as a Wayne head.
-By the fact that she witnessed all the plans by the rebellion. And ruined them.
-By the fact that she was manipulating the Batman the whole time.
-By the fact that she was the twist in the film. And Batman's guts with a knife.
-By the fact that she was the one who made the jump and saved Bane from the prison.
-By the fact that she was the one who Bane adored so much he wept when she appeared in full force.

idk when Talia tells the whole story about ras saving bane from the pit then he kicked him out and she was enraged and estranged herself from him. She then finds out batman "ended" him so in honor she wanted to fulfill her dads plan as a kind of homage to him. So what you are saying is Bane was he partner because Talia didn't go do all of the "heavy lifting"? lol. She not only wasn't trained like bane and batman but she didn't exactly have the strength to carry a lot of this out. Not to mention she quite clearly couldn't risk her cover being blown or the plan would have died then and there.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Movie Bane was utter fail. Crappy voice, unimpressive body, got his ass kicked by a broken Batman, a lackey for Talia and went out like a *****, to Catwoman of all people.

McClane wastes him and comes up with a much better one-liner to boot.

I liked Bane's character. It was only when he turned out to be another henchman that I was upset

Originally posted by the ninjak
Well....

-By the fact that she was stationed the whole time as a Wayne head.
-By the fact that she witnessed all the plans by the rebellion. And ruined them.
-By the fact that she was manipulating the Batman the whole time.
-By the fact that she was the twist in the film. And Batman's guts with a knife.
-By the fact that she was the one who made the jump and saved Bane from the prison.
-By the fact that she was the one who Bane adored so much he wept when she appeared in full force.

How does that contradict anything I said? Not one of those involves her telling Bane how to execute the plan.

Anyway, lets go through them one by one.

1. I've already claimed Talia was in charge of the economic part of the plan.
2. You mean the one plan she ruined...
3. Yes, back to the economic.
4. Being a twist does not make you the main villain. Look at "The World is not Enough" which bares many similarities.
5. Bane also saved Talia in the prison.
6. Yes, there is a fraternal bond suggested between the two which is where I get the idea that they were equals.

Originally posted by ares834
How does that contradict anything I said? Not one of those involves her telling Bane how to execute the plan.

Anyway, lets go through them one by one.

1. I've already claimed Talia was in charge of the economic part of the plan.
2. You mean the one plan she ruined...
3. Yes, back to the economic.
4. Being a twist does not make you the main villain. Look at "The World is not Enough" which bares many similarities.
5. Bane also saved Talia in the prison.
6. Yes, there is a fraternal bond suggested between the two which is where I get the idea that they were equals.

Hey Bane was a strategical villain in his own right.
He was the might. She was the key.
Without either the whole couldn't have worked.
Why does he care about her father's revenge when her father kicked him out of the League???? Because he loved her. He adored her.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
So what you are saying is Bane was he partner because Talia didn't go do all of the "heavy lifting"? lol.

lol indeed as that is not at all what I am saying.

However, it comes from their relationship which is borderline fraternal. Both clearly have feeling for each other and it seem to be the non-romantic variety. Yes, Bane is tearing up at the end, but Talia also expresses admiration for Bane. She views him as a heroic figure and of course talked her father into saving him.

They has very deep relationship, it's love and trust "molded" by the hell on earth. That's why despite both of them having dark and brutal souls they cared for eachother until the end.

Furthermore, we get Bane declaring himself the LoS and that it "his" calculations that the bomb will explode in five months.

No I agree that Bane had a deep care for Talia there is no question of that. But it is because of his love for her that he was doing as she wanted. They, as ninjak pointed out both had a part to play but none of that is proof that Bane came up with the plan. You say that it isn't shown anywhere that she tells him the "parts" in the plan. Well that logic bends back on itself as it doesn't show Bane making the plan at any point either. All any of us have to go on is what is shown in the movie. In the movie Talia is undercover and that can not be blown or the plan is toast, Talia says she wanted revenge...that she wanted to enact her fathers plan, She refers to bane has her protector, and at the end tells...not asks to not kill batman and to let him die in the fire. This all points (to me that is) that she was the brains and needed bane to do the heavy work. There can be speculation about any of it as people are going to interrupt it how they will but there is no real evidence that they work as partners. Out of everything I have heard the "them caring for each other" is the most comprehensive reasoning for them being partners but I just don't see it still. To me Talia had no want to lead the LoS but Bane did and he had no real want to destroy gotham other then because Talia wanted to and he fallowed her. That is why Bane "was the League of shadows". As for the bomb...what part does bane say "this bomb will go off in five months without the remote". I don't remember that at all. He was trying to convince gotham as long as he lived the bomb wouldn't go off.

I see BZ is causing problems as usual, he will be reported evillaugh

don't make me report you for sexual harassment.......again.....

Originally posted by the ninjak
Certainly!

Bane was just the lapdog of Talia. Bane was nothing more than a dog of war. Except that he wasn't and you're wrong.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
don't make me report you for sexual harassment.......again.....

I keep getting lawsuits about that

McClane is going to die


no matter what, even if he gets past all of the other henchmen. There is no way he is going to get to the end scene with Bane holding Holly captive, because in that scene Bane would definitely have his men conduct a patdown, and discover the gun taped to McClane, thus leaving his only option of escape to be H2H, and even if he fights off the henchmen, you know Bane is going to want to take him on H2H, and it will be this guy:

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So yeah, McClane gets his neck snapped Dr. Pavel style. Only reason Batman was able to do any damage to Bane's mask whatsoever was because of his powerful gloves


Bane wins

Bane goes on one of this stupid monologues and McClane shoots him in the face. Just going to have to deal that a gun > the 'new shiny' in the MVF.

McClane seems to be a god on the forum lol

Originally posted by Robtard
Bane goes on one of this stupid monologues and McClane shoots him in the face. Just going to have to deal that a gun > the 'new shiny' in the MVF. lol

Originally posted by Robtard
Bane goes on one of this stupid monologues and McClane shoots him in the face. Just going to have to deal that a gun > the 'new shiny' in the MVF.

Yeah, no.

Watch the scene at
116:16

McClane's win relied entirely on PIS with Hans not having his man check McClane. Had he done that, McClane wouldn't have rode off in the sunset with Grace Kelly. Your entire basis for Bane's loss is that he will have the PIS to get into a monologue with McClane about Westerns. Remember in TDKR when he robbed the Stock Exchange? He's a very efficient robber who isn't going to explain himself to some cop. He had a personal beef with Bats, so that's why he monologued with him. McClane, not so much.

Originally posted by Lestov16
It must suck to be Bane. For the second time in a row he has become the henchman for a villainess

Talia was more of a figurehead than anything, imo. The movie was kind of vague about their relationship, but I felt that Bane was the real leader. Unless Talia is some kind of brilliant prodigy, the LOS is probably going to listen to the huge hulking man instead of the little lady. That's sexism, but what can you do?


As for the scenario, John McClane loses badly in straight H2H. But if Bane and his men simply replace Hans Gruber and his guys at Nakatomi Plaza and the plot goes on as normal, I see things going pretty much the same as in the movie. Bane won't face an armed man like John unless he had an advantage.

Yeah, if they have Bane literally just repeating every action Hans did, word for word, then there really isn't a point to it

I could see Mac wrapping a chain around his hand and using that to punch with or using a weapon of some sort on Bane

Bane would probably just grab his hand/arm and break it if he tried that tbh.

I'm mad we're comparing Bane to Gruber. Batman would straight-up punk Gruber and all of his men. Bane? Yea, good luck with that.

Gruber took over a skyscraper. Bane was running Gotham City for 5 months, kicked its superhero's ass to the brink of death, toppled the people in power, buried the police, broke everyone out of prison, had his ultra-loyal assassins riding around the city in tanks, and made the U.S. government watch while all this happened.

When Special Forces did move in their asses were hung on a bridge and shown on national television.

Bane is clearly on a completely different level. Dude made the events of 9/11 and Bin Laden look puny.

Originally posted by Mindset
McClane loses, and frankly, you're an idiot if you disagree.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I'm mad we're comparing Bane to Gruber.

Bane is clearly on a completely different level

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Unlikely , given McClane's proven durability.

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Yes, Irrational Bauer-hating Syndrome. So that's what you've been diagnosed with.....

Also Irrational Bane-hating Syndrome as well, considering you think McClane can beat him

Now son thats just your IBS talking.

Of course McClane would beat Bane. I wasnt alone in thinking that.
Mcclane is neither crippled nor forbidden from killing Bane, unlike Batman.

LOLZ at your constant defeat and butthurt.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah, no.

Watch the scene at
116:16

McClane's win relied entirely on PIS with Hans not having his man check McClane. Had he done that, McClane wouldn't have rode off in the sunset with Grace Kelly. Your entire basis for Bane's loss is that he will have the PIS to get into a monologue with McClane about Westerns. Remember in TDKR when he robbed the Stock Exchange? He's a very efficient robber who isn't going to explain himself to some cop. He had a personal beef with Bats, so that's why he monologued with him. McClane, not so much.

Sorry, a cop + gun + willing to kill > Bane. Just accept that the new shiny only succeeded cos Batman isn't a gun wielding killer.

I know it's hard since TDKR just came out and Bane's the new fanboy favorite, but TRY.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Probably shoulda stated this in the OP that Mac doesn't have his gun, thought it would be common knowledge he didn't since I didn't state that he had a gun but I guess I should say this is a fist fight till a KO or death

Bane wins.

John doesn't need his gun, he just takes the guns from the henchmen he kills, like he did in the movie.

Bane gets shot.

Exactly.

This is apparently a fistfight only.

Bane uses McClane's face as a punching bag, and if he feels like it bends him over and goes to brown town.

Not if the omnipotent "McClane Factor" has anything to say about it, according to some people.....

Holy shit just regular cop instinct would suffice.
Pretty obvious that the breathing mask is a weakpoint...
Once smashed off or shot (unless the basic equipment gimp holds) it'll all be academic. Theres tonnes of stuff that Batman wasn't allowed to do that McClane would be able to do. From nut shots to throat punchings... McClane beats this despite the gimptrolls objections.

I do like that at least the McHaters admit in a roundabout fashion that McClane has to be denied his standard gear (gun) while Bane is allowed his (mask), in order for McClane to have a chance of losing.

Actually Bane punches him in the face over and over again and he beats him down.

Bane was largely immune to pain (Due to the mask), so nut shots and throat punches wouldn't work.

Being punched in the face is a completely different pain than being hit in the testicles (you'd know if you had a pair) and the throat shot has less to do with inflicting pain as it does making one choke-up/out.

/pwnage

Originally posted by Robtard
Being punched in the face is a completely different pain than being hit in the testicles (you'd know if you had a pair) and the throat shot has less to do with inflicting pain as it does making one choke-up/out.

/pwnage

Indeed!

Pain or no pain a hit to throat could cause death by suffocation. If hit hard enough his throat would swell shut!

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
From nut shots to throat punchings... McClane beats this despite the gimptrolls objections.



Originally posted by Mindset
McClane loses, and frankly, you're an idiot if you disagree.

If this is a fist fight only, then how is it "Same scenario as DH1"?

That's why Bane dies via being shot in the head. As in the first response to this much prolonged debate.

Doesn't change the fact that certain people actually suggested that McClane would beat Bane H2H

Doesn't change the fact that the thread had to be changed because Bane would lose a standard fight.

Doesn't change the fact that this isn't a standard fight. Matter of fact, the thread had to be changed from a standard fight into a scenario simplistic enough for McClane to accomplish

The thread was changed because Bane would lose 10/10 based on the OP.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Doesn't change the fact that certain people actually suggested that McClane would beat Bane H2H

If McClane's gimped to just using his fist and fighting a standard brawl, it's obvious Bane has a slight advantage.

But that's the point people are making, McClane first need to be gimped of his standard gear and then gimped of his supreme ability of using objects in the environment to his advantage.

When characters need to be gimped in order for the opponent to have a chance, that should tell you something. Remove your McHate goggles; you'll see.

Originally posted by Robtard
Bane has a slight advantage. What a butthurt vagina.

When you're done wanking Bane, LMK.

I was the first person to point out that Comedian would make Bane his nancy ***** actually in the thread proper.

So nope, try again, you godawful homosexual.

LMK when you're done with the Bane wanking.

Bane just stood there whilst Batman tried his crap on him.

And even after repeated failures Bane still let Batman simply hit him.
Yet Batman was easily able to jump on and unleash punches to Bane's skull. All attempts failed..........why?

Because Batman sucked.

McClane would go straight for the throat and balls. Or use a nearby object to insert in the jugular.

Batman doesn't kill his opponents. His quote was "I'll just fight harder" lolz.

McClane has no such weakness.

Yes, he has no such weakness. Except for his weakness for being pwned by glass. Not sure how that's going to help him tank hits from the immune-to-pain concrete-puncher Bane

Originally posted by Lestov16
Wank wank wank slurrrp sluuurrrp...Oh Baney...Ooohhhh Bauer.....*more inane irrelevance* *Some butthurt comment about glass* Tug tug tug tug slurrrp sluuurrrrp sluuuuurrrpppppp

He Pwned the glass. And all the guys that caused it to break with their bullets.

"Glass? Who gives a shit about glass...??" - John McClane, Die Hard 1

Ha. A concrete puncher who had to be saved from a badly handicapped man by a girl. Concrete dies all over the place in the Die Hard movies....you know what doesnt though...? McClane.

A badly handicapped man who was leagues (pardon the pun) above McClane in the combat department. Bane would have raped McClane had McClane been in the same position. Just like Bane is going to rape McClane here

Bane clearly showed that he lacks what it takes to break the unbreakable.

No McClane wont get raped. He is not Bauer trying to get through the Die Hard movies without Tony and co.

He already broke the unbreakable. Unless you're now going to say McClane was above Batman

It's going to be hilarious seeing McClane doing his best Bobby Trippe impression

A no-cartilage-left beaten up old ass Batman...? Sure.

Did you not see TDKR?


Also think for once about the inanity of what you just said.
IE The death star is indestructible, and the Titanic unsinkable, by your "rationale"...

Batman was breakable. Very breakable indeed.

You've now combined your Bauer fellating with your massive, legendary butthurt and turned it into Bauer-felching. Euuwwwwwww.

A crippled Batman is still leagues above McBytch on his best day, and it's hilarious that you think otherwise

You are the one who originally said McChump was unbreakable. I merely proved how, like everything else, what you said was baseless McBiased bullshit

Bats most certainly wasn't breakable, considering humans don't usually heal from a snapped vertebrae and then re-train themselves to be combat masters who can make impossible leaps out of prisons. Once again, the fact that you have to downplay Batman is just utterly hilarious and really shows how much McBias is in your noggin

Bane makes McChump his Bobby Trippe. The end.

Also the fact that you know about all of these nasty sex acts like felching is quite odd. I don't want to know what techniques you and McClane use in the bedroom! Keep it to yourself!

Clearly not.

Screenfeats, baby.

He was breakable: Bane broke him.

Batman downplayed Batman.
I don't downplay, unlike you, who feels the need to all the time..

Nope its not. I used to watch the Mary Whitehouse Experience.
Besides theres a big difference between having heard of it, and actually doing it, like you do every night to whatever Bauer/Bane fanwank is trendy on the day. (I see you didnt ask what it was btw. lol )

at that Mcbiased notion

Screenfeats prove he gets WTFpwned by glass

Once again, the fact you think McClane is above even crippled Batman exposes your Mcbias

So you watched the show, and then you suggested it to McClane? He was probably ecstatic at the idea

Except that he didnt get pwned by glass, he volutarily ran across it in bare feet then calmly picked it out moments later...then killed everyone and saved the day... so that demonstrates your bias and hatered of Mcclane through butthurt right there.

Nah. Its not bias. Hence no "exposure".

Sorry what was that? all I could hear was you and Bauer, and lots of sickening squelching noises coming from your lovetent. At least I think it was you....hard to tell if it was your voice since you clearly had your mouth full.

Did you miss the part where Batman had bionics to compensate for the lack of cartilage in his legs?

Nope. He still needed them.

If we gimped Batman to the same degree that others felt the need to gimp McClane to here, Batman would have no bionics, no armour and would probably have his hands tied behind his back.

Bane makes McClane die hard.

Why's this even a discussion? BATMAN got whooped. Before you pull the "he was weary," look at all of the elite killers Bruce took out before fighting Bane. Out of shape my ass. Also, those bionics INCREASED his strength. One kick and concrete/brick shattered.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. He still needed them.

If we gimped Batman to the same degree that others felt the need to gimp McClane to here, Batman would have no bionics, no armour and would probably have his hands tied behind his back. It's McClane versus Bane in a fistfight.

Stop whining because your childhood hero can't beat Bane in the area where Bane excels at.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's McClane versus Bane in a fistfight.

Stop whining because your childhood hero can't beat Bane in the area where Bane excels at.

I'm doubting that Sadako even SAW "Rises." Bane was just a force of raw, untamed nature.

Well Im afraid you're wrong to doubt in this case.

And I saw the bit where Bane had to be saved by his ladyfriend too, when his weakpoint was exploited..

I didn't see any evidence that he was bulletproof either.

This is a fistfight.

Your butthurt clouds your rational mind.

And ur just jelly that you don't get to have sex with underage girls like Bane does.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well Im afraid you're wrong to doubt in this case.

And I saw the bit where Bane had to be saved by his ladyfriend too, when his weakpoint was exploited..

I didn't see any evidence that he was bulletproof either.

So McClane has a knife and knows Bane's background and exact weakness?
Because that's the only reason Batman won.
And if McClane has a gun here, let's give Bane one.

Ah gimped it is, then.

Well McClane lucks out, smashes off the mask, nutshots him, throat punches him, game over.

You keep judging Bane on the fact that he kept winning against a smashed up old man who would not allow himself to kill.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
So McClane has a knife and knows Bane's background and exact weakness?
Because that's the only reason Batman won.
And if McClane has a gun here, let's give Bane one.

Nah McClane uses the same 9mm Beretta that is his standard gear to shoot Bane through the head.
But Bane wasnt shown having one. Screenfeats and basic attributes.

LOLZ at the fact that not only does McClane has to be gimped here, but Bane now has to have extra stuff added to him in order to secure a butthurt fanboy win. lol

I judge Bane on the fact that he took hits from a man who could break bricks with a single easy kick and that he demonstrated near or outright superhuman physical strength and a virtual immunity to pain.

He punches McClane into submission.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ah gimped it is, then.

Well McClane lucks out, smashes off the mask, nutshots him, throat punches him, game over.

You keep judging Bane on the fact that he kept winning against a smashed up old man who would not allow himself to kill.

So gimp = Fair fight?
This entire argument assumes that McClane CAN nutshot and throat punch Bane. How in God's name is he going to do that, exactly? Bane's speed, durability, and strength is far more than McClane can handle.
What's stopping Bane from cracking his neck, then?

A "smashed up old man" whose bionics allowed him to crush concrete with a simple kick, and an old man who took out some of the world's most professional assassins. We went over that.

This was McClane in the Diehard scenario with Bane and his men in place of Hans and his.

Since McClane clearly decimates a Die Hard scenario, it's now Gimped McClane Vs Bane and McClane is only allowed to use his fist, ie double-gimping McClane to ensure his chances of winning are slim.

Clearly the pro McClane people aren't the ones that are crying, it's all you Bane bitches that have to have your new-shiny win, so the thread is modified. Ninjak had it correct with the first response post; the Bane-has-to-win crying came after. Them the facts.

Nope, Rhythmic. Gimping means handicapping a side.

If that was done to give Bane a chance then that was an admission that McClane stomps. This is why this should have, by rights, ended on page 1.

After all of the things shown in the DH movies that would have broken any normal cop's neck, that fialed to even scratch McClane's what makes you think that Bane could do it?
He survived all his shit without bionics, without breathing armour without anything.

Originally posted by Robtard
This was McClane in the Diehard scenario with Bane and his men in place of Hans and his.

Since McClane clearly decimates a Die Hard scenario, it's now Gimped McClane Vs Bane and McClane is only allowed to use his fist, ie double-gimping McClane to ensure his chances of winning are slim.

Clearly the pro McClane people aren't the ones that are crying, it's all you Bane bitches that have to have your new-shiny win, so the thread is modified.

Except give Bane a gun, then. He'll still win. McClane was "the wrong place at the wrong time." Bane's a professional killer that Hans would piss himself around.

Looks like we're not the ones bitching here.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. Gimping means handicapping a side.

If that was done to give Bane a chance then that was an admission that McClane stomps. This is why this should have, by rights, ended on page 1.

Bane would still win. Hans' men are a bunch of European trash. Bane's are members of the LoS.

LOL They all die of bulletwounds just the same.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
LOL They all die of bulletwounds just the same.

As does McClane.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
Except give Bane a gun, then. He'll still win. McClane was "the wrong place at the wrong time." Bane's a professional killer that Hans would piss himself around.

Looks like we're not the ones bitching here.

Who says hes as good a shot as McClane with a gun?
He'd still lose.
Screenfeats count for a lot.

If its not a fair fight, then gimping wont help.
Admitting it to be so, and retreating with dignity might though.

Otherwise its pointless and would belong in the gimping thread.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
As does McClane.

Except he doesnt.

Twice proven at least. Including when he shot himself.
Besides, Bane doesn't carry a gun....

Screenfeats, baby... Not EU fanboy new-shiny-thing fantasy.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
Except give Bane a gun, then. He'll still win. McClane was "the wrong place at the wrong time." Bane's a professional killer that Hans would piss himself around.

Looks like we're not the ones bitching here.

Did Bane use guns in TDKR? I don't recall ever seeing him use one, can you name a scene where he did? How good was he with a gun, cos McClane's pretty good; he has four movies worth of gun feats.

Considering McClane's the one that needs to be gimped here, looks like it is.