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This is an entire movie type Galactus war with all of the Original characters including Original Spock alongside his Original universe. All the other parallel universe characters are aligned to stop them. Two movies versus many but I believe two movies with the newer anti Trekkie style more than makes up for it.

Each side has 1 week to prepare. Movies only for originals.

Who wins ?

Well ?

Nero drops red matter on all the enemy ships. New Trek wins.

Baiting aside, gonna have to be a bit more specific about what's included and what's not when it comes to the primary universe stuff. ermm

I mean, do they get Star Trek 6 and 7 too?

The original universe would include the Borg, Q Continuum, Jem' Hadar, Sisko, and Picard. They win. Effortlessly.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
The original universe would include the Borg, Q Continuum, Jem' Hadar, Sisko, and Picard. They win. Effortlessly.

if they are involved this is spite

Originally posted by Darth Martin
The original universe would include the Borg, Q Continuum, Jem' Hadar, Sisko, and Picard. They win. Effortlessly. When was the Q involved in a movie ? Did you read the op at all ?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Baiting aside, gonna have to be a bit more specific about what's included and what's not when it comes to the primary universe stuff. ermm

I mean, do they get Star Trek 6 and 7 too? 10 films versus 2. Just movie characters and all tech involved.

I don't think even the Borg could stop a batch of Red Matter making their Cube implode.

And Nero's ship would do catastrophic damage.

Mmmm. The Borg should still be enough. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure The Enterprise E is much more potent than whatever version Pine's Kirk uses. The Sisko's Defiant also made an appearance in First Contact.

Not to mention, Data>Spock in pretty much every way martial arts prowess notwithstanding.

Originally posted by KingD19
I don't think even the Borg could stop a batch of Red Matter making their Cube implode.

And Nero's ship would do catastrophic damage. Nero and his crew would run roughshot all over originals. I agree.

The Red Matter is catastrophic but couldn't the Borg just adapt to it?

Wait, so the Federation fleet from first contact is in this too? and the scimitar?

This is spite.

Nero's ship MIGHT last a while, I guess. Everything else from that era gets murdered though.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
The Red Matter is catastrophic but couldn't the Borg just adapt to it? They didn't seem that formidable to me on screen. Send the super soldier in and he'd personally wreck them all.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
The Red Matter is catastrophic but couldn't the Borg just adapt to it?

How would they adapt to a void expanding inside their own Cube until it's completely imploded?

And Nero's ship took out like 10 ships in the beginning of the movie.

He just starts launching red matter at every ship. He played fast and loose with that stuff.

The only reason Nero was so impressive was because his technology dwarfed that of everyone in "reboot" timeline. He wasn't that smart of a strategist either.

It's one ship. The Borg have countless cubes. Starfleet in the original timeline is much more advanced.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wait, so the Federation fleet from first contact is in this too? and the scimitar?

This is spite.

Nero's ship MIGHT last a while, I guess. Everything else from that era gets murdered though.

Originally posted by KingD19
How would they adapt to a void expanding inside their own Cube until it's completely imploded?

And Nero's ship took out like 10 ships in the beginning of the movie.

He just starts launching red matter at every ship. He played fast and loose with that stuff.

How would they get the red matter inside the cube?

Not to mention the fact that even firing red matter was a slow and delicate process. you'd have an enormous fleet of ships just as advanced as the narada (if not more advanced) firing at it from the start of the fight.

including a borg cube and a good 30 Starfleet ships (at least).

Originally posted by quanchi112
They didn't seem that formidable to me on screen. Send the super soldier in and he'd personally wreck them all. Who? Khan? You think he's that much more impressive than Data?

Originally posted by KingD19
And Nero's ship took out like 10 ships in the beginning of the movie.

He was pwning an inferior Starfleet in a less advanced timeline. I don't see them standing up to a well coordinated Starfleet assault like in First Contact with much more impressive weaponry than the Starfleet in the 2009 film showed.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
The only reason Nero was so impressive was because his technology dwarfed that of everyone in "reboot" timeline. He wasn't that smart of a strategist either.

It's one ship. The Borg have countless cubes. Starfleet in the original timeline is much more advanced.

He's from 130 years in the future regardless. And what's the difference between the reboot ships and the other ones?

Plus, there's a good 100 years of advancement.

Ships like the Defiant or the Enterprise-E simply outclass what the reboot universe has to offer.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Who? Khan? You think he's that much more impressive than Data?



He was pwning an inferior Starfleet in a less advanced timeline. I don't see them standing up to a well coordinated Starfleet assault like in First Contact with much more impressive weaponry than the Starfleet in the 2009 film showed. He'd slaughter Data and quite easily.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Ships like the Defiant or the Enterprise-E simply outclass what the reboot universe has to offer. Prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He'd slaughter Data and quite easily.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/kobe-death-stare-mike-brown.gif

So is this a troll thread, or what?

I mean, has anyone actually counted how many advanced ships the original timeline would have in this fight? Ships all far more advanced than the JJ-Prise?

We're talking:

2 Borg Ships
4 Klingon Birds of Prey (one of which can fire while cloaked).
3 D-7s iirc.
Somewhere in the region of 30-40 Starfleet ships (including 5 enterprises).
The Genesis device on the Reliant
3 Romulan ships (including the Scimitar)

Not to mention multiple versions of Captain Kirk (one of whom, iirc, had killed so many Klingons that he was considered a war criminal) and his crew, multiple Next Gen crews etc.

Fighting ships that, bar what, 2 of them, are a good century less advanced?

shrug

Originally posted by Darth Martin
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/kobe-death-stare-mike-brown.gif Were your eyes closed when he faced the Klingons ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it. There's a 154 time gap between the Nero's timeline and the that of the happenings of Star Trek (2009).

The ships in the original timeline boast ablative armor, quantum torpedoes, most likely travel at greater speeds than the inferior Starfleet ships can muster. Vessels like the Defiant and Enterprise E were specifically designed for combat after encounters with the Borg.

The Narada is a mining vessel. The Enterprise E is state-of-the art in the original timeline.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Were your eyes closed when he faced the Klingons ? You act as if Data hasn't sonned countless Klingons throughout his career. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Khan knocked out by Scotty? The way Kirk was punching him on the Klingon planet, if that had been Data, Kirk would've broken every bone in his hand.

He was having trouble with Spock. Data would have been too much for him.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
You act as if Data hasn't sonned countless Klingons throughout his career. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Khan knocked out by Scotty? The way Kirk was punching him on the Klingon planet, if that had been Data, Kirk would've broken every bone in his hand.

He was having trouble with Spock. Data would have been too much for him. Not anywhere near as impressive as he did. He surrendered after showing he's more formidable than Spock and Kirk. Data still gets killed by a faster, warrior type mastermind very easily.

He beat Spock and was without weapons as well.

He'd own multiple,Datas with those guns.

He'd own multiple Data? Not sure if serious.

Data is physically stronger, more durable, intelligent, and can move faster. Only advantage Khan has is what? Martial arts prowess? I mean, come one.

You're obviously letting the hype effect your judgement.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He'd own multiple Data? Not sure if serious.

Data is physically stronger, more durable, intelligent, and can move faster. Only advantage Khan has is what? Martial arts prowess? I mean, come one.

You're obviously letting the hype effect your judgement. No, Data is not and I said with the guns he used which would tear Data up. He'd also own him in a fight as he's much faster.

No, screen feats>>>>>>>>Datas weak screen feats.

Your hate for all things Star Trek pre-Abrams is getting annoying.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When was the Q involved in a movie ? Did you read the op at all ?

The omipotent and omnipresent Q was responsible for the Enterprise being flung into the delta quadrant, which attracted the Borg to earth, in the original timeline... this is how Picard got turned into Locutus..cause those Borg turned, up decimated most of Starfleet and captured Picard, hence his link with the Borg in First Contact.

Every reference to TNG series that took place in the movies was reference to a time where the crew and humanity itself were on a massive trial by Q.

Why we can't use TV feats in a "movie versus forum" is beyond me.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Why we can't use TV feats in a "movie versus forum" is beyond me.

not that i'm a mod, In the rules it has

I'm aware. It's lame.

Just got back from a second viewing. In regards to Quanchi saying Khan>Data, I'm not at a conclusion yet. He seemed quite strong but not Data strong. The thing that is questioning me is his durability. Uhura must have fired a blaster on a "stun" setting close to a dozen times and he remained conscious. That's very impressive.

Which also leads me to concur that it is possible that when Mr. Scott fired at him on the ship he may have been "acting" unconscious. Again, not sure.

The way he was wielding the big gun against the Klingon was another strength feat worthy of note. That blast was powerful enough to shoot down Klingon fighter ships. That gun is clearly meant to be mounted and not carried.

Khan is obviously superhuman to an extent. I'd place him somewhere on the Watchmen characters' level.

As for the ship battles. The torpedoes in the film were described as "new photon torpedoes". Now, seeing as how those are old news to the original timeline(Quantum torpedoes>>&gt I'm going to hold my ground in saying the original timeline has the more advanced tech and therefore shall win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Data is not and I said with the guns he used which would tear Data up. He'd also own him in a fight as he's much faster.

No, screen feats>>>>>>>>Datas weak screen feats.



Are you kidding me?

Khan would tire out his arm while trying to hurt Data, the same way Kirk tired his on Khan.

Spock went toe to toe with Khan. Data would rip his arms off.

Oh and Data has dodged multiple phaser shots. He's stronger, faster and more agile for Khan.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Your hate for all things Star Trek pre-Abrams is getting annoying. That isn't a retort. His feats make anything done by Data seem almost laughable by comparison. He simply destroys Data any way you want it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The omipotent and omnipresent Q was responsible for the Enterprise being flung into the delta quadrant, which attracted the Borg to earth, in the original timeline... this is how Picard got turned into Locutus..cause those Borg turned, up decimated most of Starfleet and captured Picard, hence his link with the Borg in First Contact.

Every reference to TNG series that took place in the movies was reference to a time where the crew and humanity itself were on a massive trial by Q. Not in the movie so again thanks for participating. Reboot so far is handing the originals their asses.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Are you kidding me?

Khan would tire out his arm while trying to hurt Data, the same way Kirk tired his on Khan.

Spock went toe to toe with Khan. Data would rip his arms off.

Oh and Data has dodged multiple phaser shots. He's stronger, faster and more agile for Khan. Spock was bested by Khan. Khan also resisted multiple stun blasts due to dominating Spock.

Speculation and fanboyism.

Never took out an entire Klingon force and with such ease.

Prove it with a movie clip.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Spock was bested by Khan. Khan also resisted multiple stun blasts due to dominating Spock.

Yes but Spock wouldn't even be able to fight Data.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation and fanboyism.

What? LOL

I'm actually more of a Worf fan. But there has to be something wrong with anyone who doesn't like Data.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Never took out an entire Klingon force and with such ease.
Prove it with a movie clip.



LOL Here go to 1:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDa6qc93nNs


He just throws one borg on 2 others. Look at how easily he batters multiple borg. Borg are >>>>> Klingons.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He simply destroys Data any way you want it.

Not physically. He's not shown anything to suggest he's Data's physical equal.

Originally posted by Darth Martin

As for the ship battles. The torpedoes in the film were described as "new photon torpedoes". Now, seeing as how those are old news to the original timeline(Quantum torpedoes>>&gt I'm going to hold my ground in saying the original timeline has the more advanced tech and therefore shall win.

It's silly to even think 23rd century tech can compare to the most advanced 24th century ones desgined for war.

The timeline didn't change THAT MUCH.

The original timeline has more advanced tech as standard. They can beam moving targets easily, they have replicators etc.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The original timeline has more advanced tech as standard. They can beam moving targets easily, they have replicators etc.


I'm sure you've noticed, but quan will ignore/downplay or flat out lie about anything that proves he's wrong.

interesting idea for a thread. predictable results but i think this would be a good topic for SW as well. PT vs OT. ddm?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes but Spock wouldn't even be able to fight Data.



What? LOL

I'm actually more of a Worf fan. But there has to be something wrong with anyone who doesn't like Data.



LOL Here go to 1:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDa6qc93nNs


He just throws one borg on 2 others. Look at how easily he batters multiple borg. Borg are >>>>> Klingons.



Not physically. He's not shown anything to suggest he's Data's physical equal. Acting like Spock is going to fight Data in the same manner is ridiculous. He's far faster and Data is ridiculously slow. It's illogical to punch Data head on anyways but his speed advantage is going to make Spock dominate him.

You arent supporting your case just supporting a baseless claim with another baseless claim. Borg were nothing to these Klingon. The point is the action and feats are far greater and faster in this than the original weak timeline.

Far faster, greater feats, greater reflexes, greater skill, etc.

Data gets ethered.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm sure you've noticed, but quan will ignore/downplay or flat out lie about anything that proves he's wrong. What have I lied about ?

Data isn't slow.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Data isn't slow. Compared to Khan he is. Feats, sport.

If you say so. He's really not, though. Data is incredibly fast reflex wise.

Also, there's more than one Data in this match, unless you're going to intentionally gimp the Originals.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If you say so. He's really not, though. Data is incredibly fast reflex wise.

Also, there's more than one Data in this match, unless you're going to intentionally gimp the Originals. The weak original universe needs ten movies so take em. Khan effortlessly destroy them with his weaponry.

Khans feats are far greater. Best character of the series; reboot Khan.

Ten films vs. 2 and you think I'm gimping.

right quanchi. "data is weak and slow" *honk honk*

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UFtGVk8-XBI

Originally posted by focus4chumps
right quanchi. "data is weak and slow" *honk honk*

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UFtGVk8-XBI Nowhere near as fast as Khan. Lol.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The weak original universe needs ten movies so take em. Khan effortlessly destroy them with his weaponry.

Khans feats are far greater. Best character of the series; reboot Khan.

Ten films vs. 2 and you think I'm gimping.

No, you're just lowballing. At least you're honest about it. I suppose that's something, at least.

while both are undeniably fast and powerful (only a blatant halfwit clown would deny it of either character), its painfully clear that data has speed of body and thought which outpaces khan by far, and strength which is both boundless and seemingly effortless. to be fair, with all of khans' super-human strength he's still just an organic sack of meat.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, you're just lowballing. At least you're honest about it. I suppose that's something, at least. I am just telling it how it is. I'm not making stuff up. I know people like to,pretend certain things don't count but that is just biased behavior. Not my style.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am just telling it how it is. I'm not making stuff up. I know people like to,pretend certain things don't count but that is just biased behavior. Not my style.

So you're lying too. Okay, we can go with that.

You do realise that your posting style is actually against the rules of the forum, don't you? I'm not expecting you to care, just to be aware that baiting and trolling can get you banned.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
while both are undeniably fast and powerful (only a blatant halfwit clown would deny it of either character), its painfully clear that data has speed of body and thought which outpaces khan by far, and strength which is both boundless and seemingly effortless. to be fair, with all of khans' super-human strength he's still just an organic sack of meat. Wrong. We see how he reacts to Borg and how slow he is continually. Spock or Khan both wreck him. If Khan is armed he takes out multiple Data.

downplay borg: win!!!

Give me a break. Data is so much stronger and faster than Khan its ridiculous. Khan is an augment with about 5x the strength of a normal human.

Data is far beyond that in strength and speed. Data probably ranks second in physical power in the Trek universe.

Quanchi hasn't seen any of the older ST films, that aside, this is a spite thread.

23rd century Federation, Vulcans, Klingons get annihilated by the Borg.

The Scimitar alone could take them all out and they'd never know what happened, including the Narada and spocks future sci vessel, which is the best the reboot films have.

The Scimitar is so powerful that the powerful enterprise -e unloaded its entire payload of weapons and only dropped the shields down to 72%.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So you're lying too. Okay, we can go with that.

You do realise that your posting style is actually against the rules of the forum, don't you? I'm not expecting you to care, just to be aware that baiting and trolling can get you banned. This forum is more relaxed than your moderation hence me being on it. Quit being so dramatic this isn't supposed to be life or death.

Originally posted by playa1258
Give me a break. Data is so much stronger and faster than Khan its ridiculous. Khan is an augment with about 5x the strength of a normal human.

Data is far beyond that in strength and speed. Data probably ranks second in physical power in the Trek universe. Prove it with a feat or so because as it stands now it is a baseless claim.

Originally posted by Robtard
Quanchi hasn't seen any of the older ST films, that aside, this is a spite thread.

23rd century Federation, Vulcans, Klingons get annihilated by the Borg.

The Scimitar alone could take them all out and they'd never know what happened, including the Narada and spocks future sci vessel, which is the best the reboot films have. Based on what ? That movie where the Borg was easily defeated despite having a huge advantage.


Just like I didn't own Dracula, Reign of Fire, etc.

Reboot wins as they were far better warriors, faster, flat out superior in all ways than the slower less impressive Original cast.

Originally posted by playa1258
Data probably ranks second in physical power in the Trek universe. Who ranks first?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
downplay borg: win!!! Based on ?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Who ranks first?

Species 8472

Originally posted by quanchi112
Reboot wins as they were far better warriors, faster, flat out superior in all ways than the slower less impressive Original cast.

Where are you getting this from? Obviously, the fight choreography wil improve with time. Have you watched any Star Trek pre-Abrams? The latter seasons of DS9 involve tons of H2H combat. Many of the Starfleet officers were capable H2H combatants.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This forum is more relaxed than your moderation hence me being on it. Quit being so dramatic this isn't supposed to be life or death.

your entire clownish existence here rests on this.

Quan, Do you honestly believe Khan could beat Data in a HTH fight?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
your entire clownish existence here rests on this.

Did quan just admit that him being allowed to troll is the reason he posts on this board?

Originally posted by playa1258
Species 8472 Ahhh, true. Voyager<<<

Originally posted by quanchi112
Reboot wins as they were far better warriors, faster, flat out superior in all ways than the slower less impressive Original cast.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/Impediment/dense_zps74e03f1e.jpg

Originally posted by Silent Master
Did quan just admit that him being allowed to troll is the reason he posts on this board?

pretty much.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Did quan just admit that him being allowed to troll is the reason he posts on this board? Wouldn't be the first time.

http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/RRnhhqW.gif

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Where are you getting this from? Obviously, the fight choreography wil improve with time. Have you watched any Star Trek pre-Abrams? The latter seasons of DS9 involve tons of H2H combat. Many of the Starfleet officers were capable H2H combatants. Yes, slower and lamer reflexes. It was awful IMO.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
your entire clownish existence here rests on this. Relax.

Data would beat the shit out of new Khan, methinks.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Did quan just admit that him being allowed to troll is the reason he posts on this board? No, I said the rules are more relaxed than the hall monitor wants it to be.

I'm a hall monitor?

awermm

Originally posted by Impediment
I'm a hall monitor?

awermm No, pr. You're the cool teacher who lets people be people and not worrying about tattling.

Data would one-shot Spock and Khan at the same time.

Originally posted by playa1258
Data would one-shot Spock and Khan at the same time. Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, pr. You're the cool teacher who lets people be people and not worrying about tattling.

you have semen on your chin.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you have semen on your chin. I like Imped, Bada, and Digi.

Never cared for Pr. I have always been a straight shooter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I like Imped.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/Impediment/picard_zpsc5c12c7d.gif

Originally posted by quanchi112
I like Imped, Bada, and Digi.

Never cared for Pr. I have always been a straight shooter.

then by all means keep trolling pr. i'd love to see a certain global's interest piqued by your clown dancing.

Originally posted by Impediment
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/Impediment/picard_zpsc5c12c7d.gif I am not trolling him. Saying you don't like someone isn't against the rules.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ? That movie where the Borg was easily defeated despite having a huge advantage.


Just like I didn't own Dracula, Reign of Fire, etc.

Reboot wins as they were far better warriors, faster, flat out superior in all ways than the slower less impressive Original cast.

Based on plot devices not saving a weaker opponent in MVF matches

You've not seen the older ST films hence your blatant ST ignorance and hilarious bandwagonning with the two new films you've seen

Do you even know what The Scimitar is?

And your insistence that Khan could take out Data in a fist fight is a perfect indication of your ST ignorance

Originally posted by quanchi112
This forum is more relaxed than your moderation hence me being on it. Quit being so dramatic this isn't supposed to be life or death.

The Vs forum was relaxed, until you came along and consistently broke the rules and made being a mod harder than it should have been.

Though I'm sure you have an excuse for that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Did quan just admit that him being allowed to troll is the reason he posts on this board?

Yep.

Originally posted by Robtard
Based on plot devices not saving a weaker opponent in MVF matches

You've not seen the older ST films hence your blatant ST ignorance and hilarious bandwagonning with the two new films you've seen

Do you even know what The Scimitar is?

And your insistence that Khan could take out Data in a fist fight is a perfect indication of your ST ignorance

Funny how moving your hands so fast that a human can't keep up with them, isn't fast enough to fight Khan.

I mean, seriously.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Vs forum was relaxed, until you came along and consistently broke the rules and made being a mod harder than it should have been.

Though I'm sure you have an excuse for that.



Yep.



Funny how moving your hands so fast that a human can't keep up with them, isn't fast enough to fight Khan.

I mean, seriously. Khan isn't just a human and he's far superior to any human. Have you seen the movie ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan isn't just a human and he's far superior to any human. Have you seen the movie ?

I know who Khan is.

Not yet, which is why I haven't said that Data would outright beat him. My only issue is with calling Data slow, when he most certainly isn't.

Data crushes him.

fine i'll say it. data could unscrew khan's head from his neck without even overheating a servo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know who Khan is.

Not yet, which is why I haven't said that Data would outright beat him. My only issue is with calling Data slow, when he most certainly isn't. I called him slow by in comparison to Khan. So you don't know yet. You don't know what reboot Khan is capable of and its far better than picking someone up like in the original.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I called him slow by in comparison to Khan. So you don't know yet. You don't know what reboot Khan is capable of and its far better than picking someone up like in the original.

Without actually elaborating.

Does Khan have feats where his hands move so fast he's a blur? Is he fast enough to beat two data's at the same time? How strong is he?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I called him slow by in comparison to Khan. So you don't know yet. You don't know what reboot Khan is capable of and its far better than picking someone up like in the original.

based on your wishes and guesses. anyone and everyone who has watched TNG is laughing at your desperate and woefully ignorant flailing about.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Without actually elaborating.

Does Khan have feats where his hands move so fast he's a blur? Is he fast enough to beat two data's at the same time? How strong is he? Do you want it ruined for you ? Surprised you are in here if you haven't seen the movie and already argued against reboots despite only seeing the first.

Watch the movie and decide for yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you want it ruined for you ? Surprised you are in here if you haven't seen the movie and already argued against reboots despite only seeing the first.

Watch the movie and decide for yourself.

I just asked you why you think Khan is stronger and faster than Data. When I argued against the reboots, I kept my arguments contained to the first movie, as I should.

Surely you can do that without giving me massive spoilers or without lowballing Data.

If not, then nvm.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I just asked you why you think Khan is stronger and faster than Data. When I argued against the reboots, I kept my arguments contained to the first movie, as I should.

Surely you can do that without giving me massive spoilers or without lowballing Data.

If not, then nvm. Watch how easily and how accurate he is in the movie against an entire force of foes. When he has weaponry he's a one man army. He was simply beyond his foes and is super,strong and can jump great distances as well as refer ate very quickly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch how easily and how accurate he is in the movie against an entire force of foes. When he has weaponry he's a one man army. He was simply beyond his foes and is super,strong and can jump great distances as well as refer ate very quickly.

refer ate?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Acting like Spock is going to fight Data in the same manner is ridiculous. He's far faster and Data is ridiculously slow. It's illogical to punch Data head on anyways but his speed advantage is going to make Spock dominate him.

You arent supporting your case just supporting a baseless claim with another baseless claim. Borg were nothing to these Klingon. The point is the action and feats are far greater and faster in this than the original weak timeline.

Far faster, greater feats, greater reflexes, greater skill, etc.

Data gets ethered.

Is my reading comprehension getting really poor, or are you really claiming Spock would take Data in a fight, and Klingons are physically above Borg?

Originally posted by -Pr-
refer ate? Regenerate. On an iPad so i miss some autocorrections.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I just asked you why you think Khan is stronger and faster than Data. When I argued against the reboots, I kept my arguments contained to the first movie, as I should.

Surely you can do that without giving me massive spoilers or without lowballing Data.

If not, then nvm.

Khan was basically Khan, he showed the strength of around 5 men, high resilience and the heart of a ruthless and utterly efficient warrior.

ie everything you know since you've watched Space Seed and The Wrath of Khan

What I said doesn't really do Cumberbatch's scenes justice, as the guy was badass, but in a fist fight, the android with the strength of "10 men", super-speed and programmed in many forms of combat would kick his ass in 2 seconds flat.

Originally posted by Robtard
Khan was basically Khan, he showed the strength of around 5 men, high resilience and the heart of a ruthless and utterly efficient warrior.

ie everything you know since you've watched Space Seed and The Wrath of Khan

What I said doesn't really do Cumberbatch's scenes justice, as the guy was badass, but in a fist fight, the android with the strength of "10 men", super-speed and programmed in many forms of combat would kick his ass in 2 seconds flat.

Ah okay.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Is my reading comprehension getting really poor, or are you really claiming Spock would take Data in a fight, and Klingons are physically above Borg? Klingons reacted faster in the movie than the Borg ie. harder to hit not physically stronger. Spock was also faster than Data is portrayed generally in combat and wouldn't engage him in fisticuffs as that is illogical.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah okay.

Quanchi has no frame of reference since he's utterly older ST ignorant, why his trolling is so hilariously bad here.

Notice how he dodged The Scimitar question.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Without actually elaborating.

Does Khan have feats where his hands move so fast he's a blur? Is he fast enough to beat two data's at the same time? How strong is he? Think better than Bane but not quite as good as Ozymandias.

Originally posted by Robtard
Quanchi has no frame of reference since he's utterly older ST ignorant, why his trolling is so hilariously bad here.

Notice how he dodged The Scimitar question. Data is notoriously slow when reacting to the Borg. I don't see where he's so fast or beyond Khan at all since he's blatantly slower based on movie portrayals.

Give Khan his guns and multiple Datas go down in record fashion IMO.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Can't comment as I never watched the Star Trek series outside a few eps over the years.

clown

Originally posted by focus4chumps
clown This is movies only not the series. Read the op, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Data is notoriously slow when reacting to the Borg. I don't see where he's so fast or beyond Khan at all since he's blatantly slower based on movie portrayals.

Give Khan his guns and multiple Datas go down in record fashion IMO.

Because the only thing you know of Data are a few google searches and youtube clips. Your ignorance is impossibly obvious here

You've not seen Data in combat mode

Oh, The Scimitar > everything in the new time-line. Google it

Originally posted by quanchi112
Spock was also faster than Data is portrayed generally in combat and wouldn't engage him in fisticuffs as that is illogical.

You clearly know nothing about Data. He's a lot faster than Spock.

I would post videos. They're just hard to find. But anyone whose watched the Next Gen series knows this.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Think better than Bane but not quite as good as Ozymandias.

Data would be at least as fast as Ozy, reflex wise imo, if not faster.

I don't know. I've seen Data dodge phaser fire(aim-dodge may be the better term). Ozymandias caught a bullet after it was fired.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I don't know. I've seen Data dodge phaser fire(aim-dodge may be the better term). Ozymandias caught a bullet after it was fired.

Data's locomotion isn't very fast; but if he gets within arms reach, his hands move incredibly fast.

Besides, try catching a phaser blast

Originally posted by Robtard
Because the only thing you know of Data are a few google searches and youtube clips. Your ignorance is impossibly obvious here

You've not seen Data in combat mode

Oh, The Scimitar > everything in the new time-line. Google it Yes, I had against the pathetic Borg. Awful all the way around.

Wrong.

Incorrect again.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You clearly know nothing about Data. He's a lot faster than Spock.

I would post videos. They're just hard to find. But anyone whose watched the Next Gen series knows this. This is movies only so quit arguing against the rules. Please. Faster than original Spock but not this Spock in combat based off the movies.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Who? Khan? You think he's that much more impressive than Data?



He was pwning an inferior Starfleet in a less advanced timeline. I don't see them standing up to a well coordinated Starfleet assault like in First Contact with much more impressive weaponry than the Starfleet in the 2009 film showed.

There's also the fact that the Borg adapt rather quickly to new types of attacks, so I doubt it would take them long to figure out a way to counteract Nero's goodies.

the originals clearly win this

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is movies only so quit arguing against the rules. Please.

So what? The Next Gen series and movies are in the same continuity. It's not like they're different characters with different power sets.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So what? The Next Gen series and movies are in the same continuity. It's not like they're different characters with different power sets. It is against the rules and gives the originals multiple seasons on top of 5 times the movies. Lol. Reboot wins, superior showings on screen. some random ignored feat from the tv series isn't going to change this anyway.

Unless Into Darkness has some sort of uber ship that can't be destroyed, this is pretty much a spite thread against the Reboot.

They're a century behind tech wise (bar the Narada, and that isn't beating a borg cube), and their best weapon, red matter, is horribly unsuited to combat situations.

So yeah, unless Into Darkness can shift the tide somehow, they get wiped out. Hard too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Unless Into Darkness has some sort of uber ship that can't be destroyed, this is pretty much a spite thread against the Reboot.

They're a century behind tech wise (bar the Narada, and that isn't beating a borg cube), and their best weapon, red matter, is horribly unsuited to combat situations.

So yeah, unless Into Darkness can shift the tide somehow, they get wiped out. Hard too. You can't say due to not seeing the 2nd out of two movies.

I accounted for it in my post, actually. So yes, I can, and I did.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I accounted for it in my post, actually. So yes, I can, and I did. You can do whatever you want but without seeing 1 of 2 movies against ten it isn't saying much. What is stopping you from seeing the movie ? I saw it midnight when it came out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I had against the pathetic Borg. Awful all the way around.

Wrong.

Incorrect again.

Non sequitur, we're talking about Data. But you also know little about the Borg as well

Tell me, which movie did Data go bad-ass then? (google time)

Still haven't figured out what The Scimitar is then. Can't even google search well while lying

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can do whatever you want but without seeing 1 of 2 movies against ten it isn't saying much. What is stopping you from seeing the movie ? I saw it midnight when it came out.

I accounted for the first movie, and admitted that the second one can possibly swing it if it has some sort of uber vessel. Does it? I've seen more of the originals than you have, so i'd say we're about even anyway.

Money. I'd have seen it opening night if i'd had the disposable income. Right now I'm trying to make sure I have a place to sleep and food to eat.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I accounted for the first movie, and admitted that the second one can possibly swing it if it has some sort of uber vessel. Does it? I've seen more of the originals than you have, so i'd say we're about even anyway.

Money. I'd have seen it opening night if i'd had the disposable income. Right now I'm trying to make sure I have a place to sleep and food to eat.

Stop listening to Quanchi's arguments from ignorance.

We're dealing with 23rd century tech here still, nothing that can take on likes of The Borg, The Scimitar or even the Enterprise E. Could even argue a single Defiant Class might be enough.

Originally posted by Robtard
Non sequitur, we're talking about Data. But you also know little about the Borg as well

Tell me, which movie did Data go bad-ass then? (google time)

Still haven't figured out what The Scimitar is then. Can't even google search well while lying Both were equally pathetic in the film. Borg Quuen was awful.

He never went badass. Trick question.

Some overhyped cloaked ship which Trekkies cling to.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I accounted for the first movie, and admitted that the second one can possibly swing it if it has some sort of uber vessel. Does it? I've seen more of the originals than you have, so i'd say we're about even anyway.

Money. I'd have seen it opening night if i'd had the disposable income. Right now I'm trying to make sure I have a place to sleep and food to eat. I've seen all of the originals. Although I wish I hadn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I've seen all of the originals. Although I wish I hadn't.

I don't believe you, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't believe you, tbh. I don't care. It's true. You didn't see the sequel so you don't really know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't care. It's true. You didn't see the sequel so you don't really know.

I know how capable the ships in the first movie were. And how powerful the original universe ships are. so i'd say i'm actually ahead when it comes to total knowledge.

Feel free to continue dodging the question, though. I'm sure there's some wonderfully powerful ship in the sequel that will tip the balance, otherwise you wouldn't keep arguing that the reboot ships could possibly win, right?

Nothing in the first movie could win this, so there must be something else.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both were equally pathetic in the film. Borg Quuen was awful.

He never went badass. Trick question.

Some overhyped cloaked ship which Trekkies cling to.

Downplay tactics for Data and the Borg.

Incorrect. You don't know which film, since you've not seen any of the OS and TNG ones.

I see you finally googled The Scimitar and gleaned it can cloak and are now employing downplay tactics

How can the word trekkie be thrown around in a thread about people arguing about which star trek movies have better ships/characters?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know how capable the ships in the first movie were. And how powerful the original universe ships are. so i'd say i'm actually ahead when it comes to total knowledge.

Feel free to continue dodging the question, though. I'm sure there's some wonderfully powerful ship in the sequel that will tip the balance, otherwise you wouldn't keep arguing that the reboot ships could possibly win, right?

Nothing in the first movie could win this, so there must be something else.

There is nothing in the 2nd movie that would tip the balance, that is why quan refuses to post feats.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Unless Into Darkness has some sort of uber ship that can't be destroyed, this is pretty much a spite thread against the Reboot.

They're a century behind tech wise (bar the Narada, and that isn't beating a borg cube), and their best weapon, red matter, is horribly unsuited to combat situations.

So yeah, unless Into Darkness can shift the tide somehow, they get wiped out. Hard too.


the only powerful ship is one where Adm. Marcus uses.. it is of black design however if you look closely it resembles the Enterprise D but that ship would still lose to the Borg as well as others

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know how capable the ships in the first movie were. And how powerful the original universe ships are. so i'd say i'm actually ahead when it comes to total knowledge.

Feel free to continue dodging the question, though. I'm sure there's some wonderfully powerful ship in the sequel that will tip the balance, otherwise you wouldn't keep arguing that the reboot ships could possibly win, right?

Nothing in the first movie could win this, so there must be something else. No, you aren't since you clearly don't care about reboot universe. That is my territory now. Ship that Khan eventually took over but that is besides the point that in the original Nero's ship was on another level. Took out 40 + Klingon enemy ships and was well beyond the Enterprise.

They also have two black hole type cannisters or what not to bring into play here. With what we see of the Borg on screen Khan himself would destroy them all after he got on board.

Originally posted by Robtard
Downplay tactics for Data and the Borg.

Incorrect. You don't know which film, since you've not seen any of the OS and TNG ones.

I see you finally googled The Scimitar and gleaned it can cloak and are now employing downplay tactics Saw all the films. Data wasn't a badass in any of the films so please ask honest questions where there is an answer.

Nero's ship was far more formidable on screen despite your wanking.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There is nothing in the 2nd movie that would tip the balance, that is why quan refuses to post feats. I have posted feats.

No, you haven't.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you haven't. Yes, I have.

LOL!!!

Originally posted by Silent Master
LOL!!! Do you think that's a retort in a debate. LOL.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There is nothing in the 2nd movie that would tip the balance, that is why quan refuses to post feats.

ah.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you aren't since you clearly don't care about reboot universe. That is my territory now. Ship that Khan eventually took over but that is besides the point that in the original Nero's ship was on another level. Took out 40 + Klingon enemy ships and was well beyond the Enterprise.

They also have two black hole type cannisters or what not to bring into play here. With what we see of the Borg on screen Khan himself would destroy them all after he got on board.

I was about to ask why you make threads if you're not actually going to debate in them, but we both know the answer already: Baiting.

So don't worry about it.

And anyway, I'm pretty sure as a trek fan I have more appreciation for the reboots than a casual like you. That's just imo, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
ah.



I was about to ask why you make threads if you're not actually going to debate in them, but we both know the answer already: Baiting.

So don't worry about it.

And anyway, I'm pretty sure as a trek fan I have more appreciation for the reboots than a casual like you. That's just imo, though. Want to debate a battlezone with you repping Data versus my reboot Khan ? Lets see you accept a challenge for once.

Nope. I saw it at midnight and will see it again. Love the reboots unlike you original fans clinging to the past.