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Two feats in observance.

I have watched MOS again times an observed the World Engine Feat and it is equal to Routh's Island Feat in every way maybe even a bit above it considering Cavil received no amp

Cavil was going up against Kryptonian Technology as well as the surrounding atmosphere was that of Kryptons and he battled it out with the formations of the world engine constructs.

They where un able to hurt him even in his weakened state. After they realized they could not hurt him they through him straight into the gravity beam thinking that was going to stop him.

Untold amounts of gravity where directly upon him, he was in a weakened state due to the terraforming. And thus when he focused his power he was able to create a force above what the gravity beam produced and destroy the world engine. No Sun Present..

Subsequently he also survived the singularity and his density and flight strength override the black hole as well.


Routh was in a similar situation but instead of the atmosphere making him weaker it was the kryponite. He got beat up but Lex and his thugs and stuck with kryponite and fell into the sea no sunlight present.

When they rescued him she pulled the major chunk out and what was left was a small sliver that the doctors later got and he regained his health.

After she pulled the kryponite out, he had to go receive direct sunlight to amp as shown, and there is no denying he is amping otherwise they would not have shown this scene or his strength retuning, thus he proceeds to go far under the crust and pull it out, he was under direct sunlight the whole lift as well being amp'd so as its shown the sun light overpowers the kryponite in his system and the island's radiation, otherwise he would not have been able to lift it at all.

Routh was amped before and was during whole feat and fought against his weakness and still completed the task he had to.

Cavil received no amp and and still fought against this weakness and complete the task he had to to save the earth the earth.

Tell me what you think is a greater feat based on what you have seen and what I have stated.

World engine feat is unquantifiable.

Routh feat wins.

/thread.

Island feat is the more "quantifiable" feat. It is much better than the World Engine feat IMO.

Originally posted by marwash22
World engine feat is unquantifiable.

Routh feat wins.

/thread.

Can you explain what is unquantifiable? It was clearly stated that it was turning earth into Krypton. The world engine beam was crushing matter and destroyed most of Metropolis and was right on top of Cavil, plus he survived the singularity.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Island feat is the more "quantifiable" feat. It is much better than the World Engine feat IMO.

Originally posted by Supra
Can you explain what is unquantifiable? It was clearly stated that it was turning earth into Krypton. The world engine beam was crushing matter and destroyed most of Metropolis and was right on top of Cavil, plus he survived the singularity. you have no idea how much force the beam was projecting onto Superman... it's unquantifiable.

on the other hand, you can measure the island Routh lifted and feasibly calculate how much it would weigh.

The only fair way to end this debate is to measure their chins and compare.

Originally posted by marwash22
you have no idea how much force the beam was projecting onto Superman... it's unquantifiable.

on the other hand, you can measure the island Routh lifted and feasibly calculate how much it would weigh.

Crushing a city with a gravity beam while changing Earth into Krypton is unquantifiable?

He did lift it, but he was amped the whole time which clearly shows the sunlight overrides the radiation poison in his system.

The Island lift is a better feat of strength, IMO.

Originally posted by Supra
Crushing a city with a gravity beam while changing Earth into Krypton is unquantifiable? you can not prove that the gravity being projected onto Superman was the same as the pulses of gravity that destroyed Metropolis.


Originally posted by Supra
He did lift it, but he was amped the whole time which clearly shows the sunlight overrides the radiation poison in his system. the island was made of Kryptonite.


your bias is showing.

Originally posted by marwash22
you can not prove that the gravity being projected onto Superman was the same as the pulses of gravity that destroyed Metropolis.


the island was made of Kryptonite.


your bias is showing.

I wrote out a equal statement for both, I think I am being more then fair man.

Routh's feat was great so was Cavil's I just think Routh had more help due to Amp. Its un deniable that the sunlight amp overpowers's the radiation poisoning in his system.

Both great feats in a weakened state no doubt.

Originally posted by marwash22
the island was made of Kryptonite.


why are you ignoring this fact?

The island was made of Kryptonite, yes.

That, alone, makes it a better feat.

And didn't Kal have some Krptonite shrapnel in his chest, as well?

Originally posted by marwash22
why are you ignoring this fact?

I'm not! I'm simply stating that the sun amp over rides the kryponite poisoning..if it didn't how could he have lifted a island made of it and have it in his body. Its a good representation of a sun amp for Superman.

He was under a bigass kryptonite island how could he get a sun amp

Derp

Originally posted by Supra
I'm not! I'm simply stating that the sun amp over rides the kryponite poisoning..if it didn't how could he have lifted a island made of it and have it in his body. Its a good representation of a sun amp for Superman. that makes no sense.

the very first time he arrived on the island, he was at full strength, and just landing on the surface immediately started to weaken him. He was then stabbed, had it removed, flew to the sun to regain his strength... then moved the island.

are you trying to tell me that the sun completely overrode being under an island made of kryptonite?

c'mon. you sound ridiculous.

Originally posted by marwash22
that makes no sense.

the very first time he arrived on the island, he was at full strength, and just landing on the surface immediately started to weaken him. He was then stabbed, had it removed, flew to the sun to regain his strength... then moved the island.

are you trying to tell me that the sun completely overrode being under an island made of kryptonite?

c'mon. you sound ridiculous.

There was no sun present when he landed on the island man. If the sun was present when he landed how did he get his ass kicked by the thugs and then have to re power under direct sunlight? I am saying the sunlight directly over rides the Kryptonite as it clearly is shown to do. No need to get heated man, I'm just debating with you sunlight amp's merits to his power amp.

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the sun isn't even shining, and it most certainly was not amping him when he was under the water when the lifting process began.

He Amp's and used heat vision to get under the crust so the kryptonite was not directly on him. If the sunlight didn't matter why did he have to go amp under it to get his power back.

He was under the crust the whole time then at min 1:50-2:20 it is clearly shown after the island is basically out of orbit that the kryptonite comes out and starts to weaken him again. However the sun is still shining and you can see the sun in this feat.

From min 2:00 we see the kryptonite start to weaken him again as he is finally removed the island from orbit and then job's done and he loses consensus.

No discredit shown it was an amazing feat and I'm not discrediting his feat by saying he amp'd. All I'm saying is that he did amp.

Sunlight is his power, he used it. Fair and Square.

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He wasn't amped. He recovered his might by getting exposed to the sun, but its not like he was out in space getting the full unfiltered light that would amp him. Besides the piece of kryptonite in his ribs makes the whole "amp" very very ambiguous if not outright null. Not to mention Cavillman did something similar after the world engine was destroyed.

Island feat and easily

Originally posted by Zack Fair
He wasn't amped. He recovered his might by getting exposed to the sun, but its not like he was out in space getting the full unfiltered light that would amp him. Besides the piece of kryptonite in his ribs makes the whole "amp" very very ambiguous if not outright null. Not to mention Cavillman did something similar after the world engine was destroyed.

After yes when he woke up to the sunrise are you referring too?

So in that clip when he is in space being exposed to the unfiltered sun, thats not amping?

I am a firm believer that the sun amp overrides the kryponite based on he had no power when he arrived on the island and didn't get his power back until after he was exposed to direct sunlight even though he still had kryponite in his system. I'm standing behind this.

Island feat

Originally posted by Supra
After yes when he woke up to the sunrise are you referring too?

So in that clip when he is in space being exposed to the unfiltered sun, thats not amping?

I am a firm believer that the sun amp overrides the kryponite based on he had no power when he arrived on the island and didn't get his power back until after he was exposed to direct sunlight even though he still had kryponite in his system. I'm standing behind this.

Clouds don't filter the sun, you can get a sunburn even on a cloudy day. You could call it an amp if he went to the sun or at least left the planet, but he didn't.

After pushing the island away from Earth, the sun was beaming on him and he was still koed. The sun played a factor but a small one. He was weakened to the point that he was unable to stand, so he needed a strength boost to perform the ft which is the reason he flew out of space to regain at least some of his strength (remember, he had a shard of kryptonite in him). The kryptonite from the Island while lifting it grew before he entered space. That ft is far better than the engine.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Clouds don't filter the sun, you can get a sunburn even on a cloudy day. You could call it an amp if he went to the sun or at least left the planet, but he didn't.

He flew above the clouds and we saw him amping, its undeniable. If he didn't need need to do it, he would not have done it.

As I stated, I'm not discrediting the feat, the sunlight is his power he used it fair and square.

Nice sig Supra.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Nice sig Supra.

Thx man, sig from Estacado!

Originally posted by Supra
He flew above the clouds and we saw him amping, its undeniable. If he didn't need need to do it, he would not have done it.

As I stated, I'm not discrediting the feat, the sunlight is his power he used it fair and square.

But he wasn't amping. He was restoring some of his lost power. He probably couldn't even restore himself to 100% due to the kryptonite blade.

Originally posted by Psychotron
But he wasn't amping. He was restoring some of his lost power. He probably couldn't even restore himself to 100% due to the kryptonite blade.

Kryptonite had zero affect on his island lift.

Lmao.

Yeah, Superman isn't weakened by Kryptonite at all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao.

Yeah, Superman isn't weakened by Kryptonite at all.

Apparently not after amping because he lifted the whole island made of it and had it in his body.

If the sun was amping him and the small mountain made of kryptonite he was holding had no effect on him, please explain why we see him in physical pain as the kryptonite grows near his face.

Also explain why he lost consciousness after hurling the island into space... if things are as you claim, the sun amping him would have prevented him from losing strength during the lift.

Originally posted by marwash22
If the sun was amping him and the small mountain made of kryptonite he was holding had no effect on him, please explain why we see him in physical pain as the kryptonite grows near his face.

Also explain why he lost consciousness after hurling the island into space... if things are as you claim, the sun amping him would have prevented him from losing strength during the lift.

I don't think the small amount had any affect on him due to the amp. I do think the larger amount shown as he was finishing the lift obviously did have an effect as shown

Other then that, I can't explain it.

would you like me to explain it?

Routh's island lift was unquestionably, indisputably, undoubtedly superior and more impressive.

Originally posted by marwash22
would you like me to explain it?

Yes

Originally posted by Zack Fair
He wasn't amped. He recovered his might by getting exposed to the sun, but its not like he was out in space getting the full unfiltered light that would amp him. Besides the piece of kryptonite in his ribs makes the whole "amp" very very ambiguous if not outright null. Not to mention Cavillman did something similar after the world engine was destroyed. He was amped. No way to argue otherwise, kid.

Except for the fact that he was lifting an island made in large % of, you know, kryptonite. Which means any strength he regained after Lois removed the kryptonite from his wound and then he flew above the clouds to recharge from the sun null and void.

Island feat was much more impressive than resisting a beam that crushed some cars and levelled a few buildings while weakened.

Originally posted by jaden101
Except for the fact that he was lifting an island made in large % of, you know, kryptonite. Which means any strength he regained after Lois removed the kryptonite from his wound and then he flew above the clouds to recharge from the sun null and void.

Island feat was much more impressive than resisting a beam that crushed some cars and levelled a few buildings while weakened.

Which means kryptonite after sun amp means nothing to him.

Well given it was the contact with the kryptonite growing out the bottom of the island while he was lifting it that made him pass out and fall from space and almost die then I'd say you're talking bollocks again.

Originally posted by jaden101
Except for the fact that he was lifting an island made in large % of, you know, kryptonite. Which means any strength he regained after Lois removed the kryptonite from his wound and then he flew above the clouds to recharge from the sun null and void.

Island feat was much more impressive than resisting a beam that crushed some cars and levelled a few buildings while weakened. False considering how weak he was prior to on the island. If it didn't mean anything to him then he wouldn't have been able to lift it.

Both feats are lackluster but my point was the sun amped him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False considering how weak he was prior to on the island. If it didn't mean anything to him then he wouldn't have been able to lift it.

Both feats are lackluster but my point was the sun amped him.



You've got yourself mixed up again haven't you? It's ok. You'll get something right one day.

Here's what happened

He landed on the island to confront Lex. Gets stabbed with kryptonite. Gets beaten up and thrown in the water. Lois saves him, removes the kryptonite and he flies above the clouds to recover his strength. He then flies down into the earth's crust and cuts the island out before lifting it into space. If the recharge from the sun meant the kryptonite wasn't affecting him he would never have had the strained look as the kryptonite grew out the bottom of the island right next to him. He'd never have passed out. He'd never have fell and he'd never have almost died. The kryptonite growing from the island as he was lifting it into space affected him so much that even after he through the island into space, his exposure to the sun after that wasn't enough to help him recover. He was massively weakened performing that feat. Much more so that MoS supes was in contact with the world engine.

Originally posted by jaden101
You've got yourself mixed up again haven't you? It's ok. You'll get something right one day.

Here's what happened

He landed on the island to confront Lex. Gets stabbed with kryptonite. Gets beaten up and thrown in the water. Lois saves him, removes the kryptonite and he flies above the clouds to recover his strength. He then flies down into the earth's crust and cuts the island out before lifting it into space. If the recharge from the sun meant the kryptonite wasn't affecting him he would never have had the strained look as the kryptonite grew out the bottom of the island right next to him. He'd never have passed out. He'd never have fell and he'd never have almost died. The kryptonite growing from the island as he was lifting it into space affected him so much that even after he through the island into space, his exposure to the sun after that wasn't enough to help him recover. He was massively weakened performing that feat. Much more so that MoS supes was in contact with the world engine. False as it gave him the strength to pull the feat off. He resisted the debilitating effects of knite to pull the feat off. Amped.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False as it gave him the strength to pull the feat off. He resisted the debilitating effects of knite to pull the feat off. Amped.

Why can't people admit he's amped? Are they now trying to not say he does not get his power from the sun?

Originally posted by Supra
Why can't people admit he's amped? Are they now trying to not say he does not get his power from the sun?
They are trolls.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are trolls.

Your right people, he gets no power from the sun. He flew up there for no reason. So how the fck he lift the island???

Originally posted by quanchi112
False as it gave him the strength to pull the feat off. He resisted the debilitating effects of knite to pull the feat off. Amped.

Nnnnnope!

He uses the sun to heal from the stabbing to get him back to his usual self. He didn't resist anything. The kryptonite nearly killed him yet he was still able to enact a feat way more impressive than destroying the world engine.

Originally posted by Supra
Your right people, he gets no power from the sun. He flew up there for no reason. So how the fck he lift the island??? That is how far they are willing to go whereas we remain objective.

Originally posted by jaden101
Nnnnnope!

He uses the sun to heal from the stabbing to get him back to his usual self. He didn't resist anything. The kryptonite nearly killed him yet he was still able to enact a feat way more impressive than destroying the world engine.

So he was de powered and had to amp to regain his strength, and he didn't heal from the stabbing..there was still knite in his body that was later removed.

Originally posted by jaden101
Nnnnnope!

He uses the sun to heal from the stabbing to get him back to his usual self. He didn't resist anything. The kryptonite nearly killed him yet he was still able to enact a feat way more impressive than destroying the world engine. sun amped him. It gave him power. Obvious. Quit being silly.


Superman amped did so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
sun amped him. It gave him power. Obvious. Quit being silly.


Superman amped did so.


From the logic here they are basically saying that the knite gave him his powers and not the sun.