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Who wins?

Haha, Gandalf.

With all his feats, especially stuff from Clone Wars and Rise of Skywalker, Gandalf gets smoked by a Force Lightning storm that engulfs Middle Earth.

Movie Gandalf doesn't really have that much feats to be honest. He gets completely stomped by Palpatine. Dumbledore would have been a better fight.

Book Gandalf's powers were even more ambiguous and less flashy, keep in mind.

Sidings is a better Swordsman. Far faster in a fight. Can read Gandalf before he makes a move, and he has access to stuff like Telekinesis and Lightning that is far and away better, more powerful, and easier to use.

what feats does movie only gandalf even have? sure he fought the balrog, but that thing was pretty much featless in the movie too. it was just a fire giant with a whip.

so unless gandalf pulled off some crazy feats in the hobbit movies (i never bothered to watch those), then palpatine rapes him with lightning and tk.

Sidious owns the Wizard easily enough

Sheev literally shits on Gandalf

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
what feats does movie only gandalf even have? sure he fought the balrog, but that thing was pretty much featless in the movie too. it was just a fire giant with a whip.

so unless gandalf pulled off some crazy feats in the hobbit movies (i never bothered to watch those), then palpatine rapes him with lightning and tk.

He displayed some TK abilities in his fight against Saruman and was able to make really bright lights. That's all I remember, otherwise he mostly fought with staff and sword.

Yeah, movie only Gandalf, though the fall through Kazad Dum, and the following 2 day fight from the bottom of that lake to the pinnacle of Zirak Zigil is quite literally his only real display of power. And though he could be considered comparable to Sauron as Gandalf the White later, thats... not really enough to sway the favor of the fight between him and Sheev. Palpatine has a weapon that in all likely probability cleave through Glamdring like it's made of Pig iron, and his powers are slightly faster to use, not reliant on a staff, and are by most reasonable accounts, more versatile.

Gandalf's strength is that he had reliable allies most of the time, and he's a good inspiring leader who can rally his teammates. Sheev commands his empire through cunning manipulation and fear, and later through fear.

To be fair, movie only Palpatine got defeated in the same way three times...

If Gandalf's TK, shield or blinding aura can make Palps electrocute himself, then it's an easy win for him.

Both characters are being extremely wanked on battleboards, even though both underperformed more than once.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, movie only Palpatine got defeated in the same way three times...

If Gandalf's TK, shield or blinding aura can make Palps electrocute himself, then it's an easy win for him.

Both characters are being extremely wanked on battleboards, even though both underperformed more than once.

Yeah but at least Palpatine has some pretty high-end feats in the movies. I can't remember a single decent showing for Gandalf.

Either because you are biased or have a poor memory.


Killed Balrog.

Stomped Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli at the same time.

Stomped Saruman.

One-shotted Olog-hai.

And so on, and so on.


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What movie Palps did again? Oh, yes. Killed completely featless Council members and tortured Luke who refused to fight and threw away his lightsaber.

Gandalf was a badass in the films. He could literally rip Palpatine's head off if he gets in close.

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But I wouldn't downplay Palpatine taking out three Jedi, even though that scene was stupidly done. It's still three Jedi masters.

Featless and nameless (movies never explored any of them, we didn't even learn their names on screen) masters. Unless we count Fisto beating C-3PO, of course

Here on forums, that pales in comparison with showings against named characters with feats and good amount of screen time.

"Not a single decent showing". Selective memory and double standards have always been ridiculous on KMC.

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Palps' overreliance on Force Lightning is his greatest weakness.

If a beaten up cripple made Palps electrocute himself just by picking him up, imagine what a lightstrike will do.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Featless and nameless (movies never explored any of them, we didn't even learn their names on screen) masters. Unless we count Fisto beating C-3PO, of course

Here on forums, that pales in comparison with showings against named characters with feats and good amount of screen time.

"Not a single decent showing". Selective memory and double standards have always been ridiculous on KMC.

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Palps' overreliance on Force Lightning is his greatest weakness.

If a beaten up cripple made Palps electrocute himself just by picking him up, imagine what a lightstrike will do.

Technically, your argument can apply to the Balrog as well as it was also featless. I do admit I had forgotten that he killed the Balrog. All I remember was them trading blows (sloppily) and Gandalf eventually escaping.

I also don't recall Gandalf stomping Saruman, in fact I'm pretty sure Saruman beat Gandalf.

Plus it's a stretch to say Gandalf stomped Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas. He blocked an axe, blocked an arrow, heated up Aragorn's sword. That's it.

Palpatine stalemated Yoda, and that was using lightning, TK and lighsaber.

Sheev vapes

Originally posted by FrothByte
Technically, your argument can apply to the Balrog as well as it was also featless.

He made both the goblin army and the fellowship flee.

And Balrog and Gandalf ended up killing each other -- so, there you go. Not featless.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I also do recall Saruman beating Gandalf.

Gandalf the Grey, yes.

Gandalf the White no-sold Saruman's fireball and nonchalantly broke his staff. A great example of how much more powerful he's become.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Plus it's a stretch to say Gandalf stomped Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas. He blocked an axe, blocked an arrow, heated up Aragorn's sword. That's it.

Heated it up, making him drop it. Effectively disarmed him.

Blinded them, too.

You don't think that would work great on someone who has a long history of electrocuting himself just fine, even without such hindrance as obstructed vision?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Palpatine stalemated Yoda, and that was using lightning, TK and lighsaber.

Yet another time in which his FL got used against him

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Ok fair enough. I admit I don't recall this scene. I take back what I said about Gandalf being featless.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok fair enough. I admit I don't recall this scene.

Probably because you've never watched the extended editions. Even though two decades have passed

They include both the new scenes and the lengthened versions of existing scenes and yes, they were shown in the theaters worldwide and on TV.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I take back what I said about Gandalf being featless.

Extended is the only way to watch the LoTR films. The originals are still good, but like sex with the condom on by comparison.

Originally posted by Robtard
Extended is the only way to watch the LoTR films. The originals are still good, but like sex with the condom on by comparison.

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Who's Boromir?

Both brothers are great characters, but I admit I've always been more partial to Boromir.

*sigh*

I get turned into Swiss cheese, I know. My body is ready haw-som

They are, but Boromir is the cooler character overall, even though it took him like 90 seconds to be seduced by the o-ring of the One Ring, while Faramir was all "meh, I like vagina better."

Sean Bean nailed the role. I'd even say that the book version seemed bland in comparison.

Good fight, Palpatine stomps.

He stomps himself by electrocuting himself again

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He stomps himself by electrocuting himself again He wouldn't need to bust out the Force Lightning tbh, not when he would effortlessly tool Gandalf in melee combat or could ragdoll him as easily as he did Maul and Savage Oppress.

This is a movie forum, EmoKid.

Not the "cgi cartoon I've watched while cutting myself" forum kinda

Movie Palps relies on FL just as much as you rely on razors.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This is a movie forum, EmoKid.

Not the "cgi cartoon I've watched while cutting myself" forum kinda

Movie Palps relies on FL just as much as you rely on razors. Television shows are allowed per the movie versus forum rules if they are canon to the character being discussed, which in this case they are. If it makes you more comfortable though I can make it movie only. Palpatine doesn't need television feats to stomp Gandalf.

Palpatine cuts Gandalf's head off, ragdolls, or force lightnings him to death for the easy win.

You okay? Or cutting yourself again?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This is a movie forum, EmoKid.

Not the "cgi cartoon I've watched while cutting myself" forum kinda

Movie Palps relies on FL just as much as you rely on razors.

Palpatine matched Yoda in both sword skill and TK. It's not like he's only capable with lightning.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Palpatine matched Yoda in both sword skill and TK. It's not like he's only capable with lightning.

Did he now? He appeared to have lost his lightsaber during their duel.

And yes, that's the thing - Palps does have other options... and yet, ultimately, always gets defeated the same way.

Character Induced Stupidity.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You okay? Or cutting yourself again? Doing pretty good thanks, how are you?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Television shows are allowed per the movie versus forum rules if they are canon to the character being discussed, which in this case they are. If it makes you more comfortable though I can make it movie only. Palpatine doesn't need television feats to stomp Gandalf.

Palpatine cuts Gandalf's head off, ragdolls, or force lightnings him to death for the easy win. Bingo!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Featless and nameless (movies never explored any of them, we didn't even learn their names on screen) masters. Unless we count Fisto beating C-3PO, of course

Here on forums, that pales in comparison with showings against named characters with feats and good amount of screen time.

"Not a single decent showing". Selective memory and double standards have always been ridiculous on KMC.

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Palps' overreliance on Force Lightning is his greatest weakness.

If a beaten up cripple made Palps electrocute himself just by picking him up, imagine what a lightstrike will do.

what feats does the Balrog have? yeah none, what feats does Saruman have other than beating up Gandalf?

Palpatine barely has feats too.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Palpatine barely has feats too. Uhhh...

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you also have him tk flicking rey and kylo while weakened.

plenty of feats for Sidious in Episode 3,6,9 and TCW

Gandalf uses the spell that was knocking Nazghul around in the air, which proceeds to break all of Palpatine's bones, killing him.