DG Tourney Round II; Leonidas Vs Newjak

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illadelph12
Newjak vs leonidas

Maximum Impact
1.(Mind) Black Knight
2.(Body) Colossus
3.(Powers) Cannonball

vs

Indigo Deathdancer
1.(Mind) Spiral
2.(Body) Death's Head II
3.(Powers) Indigo

Location- 2. A swimming pool with the dimensions of Manhattan, and as deep as the Empire State Building, but filled with jello. The swimming pool itself is made of the same synthetic material that Shaggy Man is made out of, so it is destructible but heals almost instantaneously. The fight itself is on Pluto, and breathable atmosphere exists only within the swimming pool, though it doesn't have a top.


Judges:
Batdude
Delph
Galan
Validus


Good luck gentlemen.

illadelph12
Posting write ups momentarily...

illadelph12

illadelph12
*edited to repair scans

DarkCrawler
Just to note - you copied pasted the links in false way in Newjak's post (or they were like that to begin with) - with KMC's crazy way to shorten links, that has to be taken in the account...

illadelph12
Good lookin' out DC. I was going through to make sure everything worked. I'll fix them in a moment (So long as the edit feature doesn't time out).

illadelph12
Newjak

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Prep

Ok let's be serious here my prep time for this match pretty much just has me saying Avalon and get my Blast shield and armor form up. Although to clarify I will be going in with my shield on my back and my two swords drawn.

Maybe eat a bowl of jell-o and listen to my theme music to get pumped


Theme Music:

VNjhbOH8m2U



Battle

Ok then like most of my battles I like to set certain perimeters just to let people know what is happening.

The most important is that Spiral basically becomes useless in this fight. Why because his magic will not effect me. My Ebony Blade is very potent at protecting me from Magic heck I even have a scan of BK already resisting Spiral's Magic directly.
http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bkspiralau2.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9311/bkspiral2il2.jpg

Now while that scan may not be enough there is also the little known fact that Colossus' body also has immunity to magic.
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6080/csmagicresistancejx2.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8946/csmagicresistance1mv9.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8347/csmagicresistance2fw6.jpg

With those two magic immunity's working together no Spell Leo could dream up would effect my guy.

With that out of the way another hot topic is has been Spirals' arms just forming out of DH's body. Now I'm normally all for cool factors but his only evidence to support this comes from one instance with Rouge. Now my thinking, if I were a Judge, is how can we support Leo's claim when the only instance he can show is a mutant whose power is to absorb the ability of other beings even their physical characteristics.

He has done it to Colossus and Nightcrawler at the same time:
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8783/hrpage19yq6.jpg

And has even done it to non flesh or organic beings like Warlock's Father:
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4456/hrpage18fj5.jpg


So he doesn't have six arms he only has two which, unless he can show a scan of how fast he can work with only two arms, means the spells that may would work like teleportation and phasing will be useless because they would take to long to do.


This means he really is only operating with two characters for this fight essentially, DH2 and Indigo. Now we all should know by now DH2 body isn't going to stand up to my blades and Indigo's blasts aren't going to hurt Colossus' body or break through my blast shield.

The only other part left about this match is whether or not my sword will be able to get through Indigo's shield which Leo already know the answer and the answer is yes. Just ask Kang the Conquerer
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3222/bkforcefieldslice2wa5.jpg

So then what is going to happen. Leo will probably try to convince everyone his superior H2H skill is going to help him. You know BP's and Spiral's skill put together which is true but let's be honest he doesn't have a weapon that will stand up to mine. He can not disarm me as Leo already knows. He can not hurt me thanks to my durability and he sure isn't overpowering Colossus.

So all this boils down to is Leo delaying me getting the killing blow on him. There really is no other outcome to this fight.

illadelph12
Bump

leonidas
not much to respond to in nj's post, but i'm sorta bored, so here we go:

LEO'S POST #1

1. spiral's arms

again, i defended this ad nauseum last time rd, and it was accepted by the judges then. it really is simple:

nightcrawler's NATURAL appearance is the dark elf form. rogue can absorb this NATURAL form.

colossus's NATURAL form when he uses his power is metal. rogue can absorb this NATURAL form.

magus is NATURALLY a techno-morph. it's his NATURAL form. rogue can absorb this NATURAL form.

wolverine's BONE CLAWS are a NATURAL extension of his body. angel's WINGS are NATURAL extensions of his body. rogue can absorb these NATURAL forms.

wolverine's ADAMANTIUM CLAWS are NOT natural parts of him. she cannot absorb his adamantium claws, or skeleton. they are NOT natural parts of his body.

spiral's arms were grafted to her body magically -- they are NOT natural appendages, like wolverine's adamantium is not natural. one of her arms is completely cybernetic! how could rogue have gained THAT arm? not to mention none of the arms rogue gained were cybernetic!

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1010/possession2ul7.th.jpg

all the arms appear . . . clawed, demonic. certainly none of them appear to be cybernetic.

spiral is a supernatural being, who just does . . . weird things. gaining the arms is one of them. erm

oh, and if you don't like that explanation (not sure why you wouldn't . . .) i just use matter manip on myself to give me the additional arms. smile

2. magic immunity

irrelevent because i'm not using magic except to get through his blast field. and that spell WILL be effective, despite his swords, because as i said, his swords are BEHIND the shield. if the blast field isn't up, i don't use the spell. simple. either way, i engage him h2h. he has two swords, i have 6 adamantium ones.

2 arms vs 6 arms? i . . . don't like his odds. no

so . . . my initial write-up and plan of attack remain firm and utterly indefensible from nj's standpoint.

he will NO DOUBT question both my ability to possess 6 arms (not sure how you argue the ability to use matter manip on myself though, even if for whatever reason you don't like my other explanation . . .) and will have questions about the process whereby i gained my adamantium.

neither issue is really arguable. through matter manip or just her own supernatural state of being, kali HAS 6 arms. given the tasks spiral has performed on her OWN in the body shoppe (making children ADULTS and turning a woman into lady deathstrike), and the length of time it took for her to perform said tasks (a single night for one, a day for the other and in BOTH cases the bulk of time was taken to make sure the human bodies didn't DIE in the process -- with dhii's durability and healing factor, that will NOT be a concern, NOR are the changes anywhere NEAR as drastic as either of the ones i showed in my initial post) the idea of grafting adamantium to her completely morphable, computer-enhanced form is rather trivial. using:

1. czornn's near-perfect knowledge of edged weapons
2. her OWN knowledge of transmutation and matter manip skills
3. indigo's computer speeds, multi-tasking abilities, and morphing powers
4. dhii's healing/morphing powers

the idea that she can grant herself the adamantium enhancements really is an utterly logical one.

so, a quick recap:

i teleport to him, take down his blast field and engage him in h2h. my 6 armed assault easily overcomes his 2 armed defense, i am easily strong enough to drive adamantium through even colossus's metallic form.

no spells, no force fields, nothing fancy. just 100% effective. smile

Newjak
Newjak Post 1 of 8

Leo has played directly into my guy. He has chosen to take me in a close up fight the one place he doesn't want to be. I'll explain a couple of things though.

First off the rouge feat:
Excuse but all of those grafted arms at one time were organic were they not and they were as natural a part of her body as her head. They were attached and completely bound to her nervous system. Now say if Nighcralwer lost an arm and had a Cybernetic one put on and Rouge absorbed his power. It isn't like all her body would be covered in fur except the arm Nightcrawler lost. No her entire body would be covered.

Spiral's arms were at one time all Organic and all attached to her body. Leo is assuming that just because she had one Cybernetic arm at that time that Spiral had forced her form upon Rouge. Take it for what it is Leo. Rouge absorbing Spiral's Form and Spiral simply gaining control of it. There really isn't anything else special about it, Rouge absorbed the organic form that Spiral had before.

Second point prep time:

We only have ten minutes of Prep and the process that gave Lady Deathstrike two arms with Adamntium did take all night. That is quite few hours that you are trying to stretch into the span of ten minutes. I mean you are trying to grant yourself 6 arms and equip all of those arms with Adamntium. I don't see even with DH2's computer brain you taking a process that takes hours and refining it into a ten minute process. By the way the weaponsmith guy is only helpful if he has worked with admantium before.

So then let's take this back. You don't start off 6 arms and the span of time you are working with compared to the time you have shown are completely different, the feats 100 of times greater ithen the time you are working with now. Not exactly fool proof logic you're working with.

Third point my blast shield:
Is a bio-chemical burst from my body meaning it something my body takes in and is therefore granted the same protection as my physical body (Thanks to Colossus' Immunity) so your spell isn't working.

Plus my swords are not hampered by the blast shield and neither is my shield. My blast shield only covers the things Cannonball wants them to cover. It's the reason why every time Cannonball hits someone they don't get his shield.

So my Swords and Shield are not hampered by the Blast Shield not are you taking it away from me at any point.

Fourth point being your matte manip:
I will grant you the fact that your matter manip will give you six armas whether they have Admantium is in doubt very much so. But you also assume the arms you will grant yourself will be class 100 level. Show me anywhere where Spiral has ever created anything with Class 100 strength capabilities. Heck your biggest one was Lady Deathstrike and she is far from class 100.

So you may have 6 arms but only two will be class 100 the other 4 will be whatever level you can prove that Spiral can do which so far is only Lady Deathstrike level not exactly very strong. So cutting off your much weaker arms will not be a problem.

So then now that is out of the way let me get down to some other points of Leos.

The idea that he is getting the drop on me isn't very true. You see because as the Pendragon of this era one of BK's abilities is the ability to see and sense magic.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4320/heroesforhire14p11gt3.th.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6747/heroesforhire14p18mh9.th.jpg

So him thinking he is going to attack me without me knowing is false.

Another point he is failing to address is that my guy still has his body armor which is still quite durable in its own right. In fact it is able to take shots from Titanium Blades without being scathed:
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4997/heroesforhire04p02zq1.th.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/312/heroesforhire04p05cx9.th.jpg

So you add that to Colossus' own durability and I doubt even class 100 Adamantium Shots are going to cut straight through me. That is of course if I had my Blast shield down which it doesn't.

So to Summarize:
-Leo can not prove that it simply wasn't Rouge taking on the previous Organic Arms that Spiral has had before the far more plausable thing considering it is Rouge

-He can not prove that he can take a process that takes many, many hours on two arms and refine in the matter of ten minutes.

-He is wrong with him catching me by surprise because I can see and sense Magic

-He just flat out wrong that my swords and shield are behind the blast field

-My Blast Field is protected by Colossus' natural immunity to Magic and my swords are always added bonuses

-He may have six arms but the do not possess Adamantium and the four arms he added on he can not prove they are even class 100 to begin with because Spiral has never possessed the ability to grant someone class 100 cybernetics.


Basically Leo is going to teleport close to me hope his magic gets past my Blast Field then hope his strength is good enough to get past both my armor and Colossus's body all while avoiding me stabbing him which I can guarantee my weapons will slice and dice him with ease he can not. My guy is still way more durable and stronger and has magic immunity and that is what Leo is solely relying on getting by my Blast field.

Plus he is going to try and attack me from behind which my shield absorb anyways.

Face Leo you are screwed your entire plan revolves around could be and what ifs while once again my plan is basically fool proof cut you with weapons you can not take one hit from. He can not prove he will refine a many hour process into ten minutes. So it is debatable whether he can even block my attacks.

leonidas
POST 2

so, let's have at it:



no. one of her added arms was ALWAYS fully cybernetic, another is half cybernetic (and is sometimes shown as fully cybernetic also -- see below) and NONE of the grafted arms were ever "natural". she was once a normal human being. the arms were bonded to her as an act of humiliation by mojo, using both magic AND cybernetics. are the added arms fully organic? impossible to say, but given their superstrength, i'd say no, they are not simply organic, but rather techno-organic.

i'll not belabor the point though because it has become irrelevent thanks to this:



cool. so i have 6 arms, no question about it and we can all agree. smile but:



first, lady deathstrike was HUMAN to begin with, so what she did to her HUMAN form is irrelevent to this discussion. the body she is CURRENTLY working with IS a fully cybernetic, morphable cl100 entity. the arms are an extension of that body, whether by matter manip or by possession of the dhii form a la rogue. either way, it . . . defies sense to believe the arms would be anything LESS than the originals.

as far as "proof" concerning her abilities to 'create' anything with cl100 strength, of course there IS no proof -- there IS proof that her OVERALL level of power should be more than sufficient to the task though:

reverts colossus from armor TO human and changes him into a child via an ectoplasmic spell (oops, so much for colossus's vaunted 'magical invulnerability . . .):

http://img452.imageshack.us/my.php?image=colossus1fr8.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=colossus2jr4.jpg

herc and wonderman and the rest of the avengers -- powerless:

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiral7vg8.jpg

amping spiderwoman enormously:

http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerampwd5.jpg

those scans should be MORE than sufficient to prove her powerlevel is up to the task of affecting cl100-type changes, and EASILY granting her dhii body, cl100 arms.

but . . . JUST in case you STILL don't buy it, the dhii body ITSELF can morph some additional appendages WITHOUT SPIRAL'S HELP:

http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c1ns0.jpg

so, (for those keeping track) that now gives me THREE ways to explain having 6 arms. spiral's possession of the body, spiral's matter manip, OR dhii's OWN body creating the appendages. smile

next order of business:



it was inevitable that he would challenge the time frame in which i implemented my prep.

so, let's take a look at what spiral alone did in, say, 6hrs?

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1817/ladydeathstrikeys2.th.jpg

she literally RECREATED lady deathstrike. she transformed her from a human into a cyborg AND grafted into place TEN adamantium blades. now, at the time, LDS had no healing factor to protect her from the process. that is an issue, because the transformations are very dangerous and must be allowed to happen at their own speed:

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/4590/bodyshoppecio6.th.jpg

"EXTREMELY DELICATE". human bodies are fragile and do not take kindly or easily to being 'recreated'. (oh, and as an aside -- note the TWO FULLY CYBERNETIC ARMS in the image. how could rogue have gained THOSE arms??)

her current body of course HAS no such limitations. she can do pretty well whatever she wants to the dhii body without risking it in anyway. it's healing factor is second to none in this event and combined with the morphability bestowed on the body by dhii itself AND indigo, the only issue is getting the adamantium shaped. here i have czornn's expertise in weapon-making and edged weapons to call upon, indy's speed and spiral's magic/matter manip. kali's ability to use magic/manipulation to shape the attachments in the given time is utterly logical, and the idea that magic CAN affect adamantium has also been established in the past:

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/932/ym1qv2.th.jpg

the magical demon sym, effortlessly snaps off one of wolverine's claws.

that particular book also demonstrates something else of relevence:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3865/sym2sa8.th.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/505/sym3hm4.th.jpg

adamantium backed by sufficient force CAN penetrate colossus's metallic form.

so, to review:

-- 6 arms? check. use whatever explanation you like.
-- 6 cl100 arms? check.
-- 6 cl100 arms WITH adamantium blade attachments? check. for the sake of argument, even if you believe 6 is too many -- cut it in half to THREE and i STILL have too many arms for nj's guy to stop in h2h combat.
-- adamantium can penetrate colossus? check.
-- spiral's magic can affect colossus even in his armored form? check.
-- i can create and implement my adamantium attachments in the alloted time? check.

now, my favourite part, the blast field:



that was actually pretty nice, nj. well thought-out. but . . .

from marvel.com: "Cannonball possesses the ability to bodily generate THERMO-chemical energy and release it from his skin."

also from marvel.com: " can survive extremes of temperature from 70 degrees above absolute zero (-390 degrees Fahrenheit) to approximately 9000 Fahrenheit."

it is also known colossus does not sweat, and that even his insides and eyes become metal. in his metal form, colossus is no longer even human. his bodily and chemical reactions would be utterly different from sam's or ANY human's. so, if he is in fact completely different from sam in all ways, how does he generate a thermal blast from skin that resists temperatures of 9000F? blink

answer: he doesn't.

oops.

the only LOGICAL way colossus could generate the blast field is if he is in his HUMAN form. you know, the one that has NO magical resistance at all.

not that it really matters, i suppose, since i already showed spiral's magic CAN actually affect him -- badly -- thereby allowing him to affect the blast field even GIVEN your explanation.

i just like to give the judges options.

next, this little tidbit:



kind of a weak attempt.

from marvel.com: "Cannonball's blast field extends to any person or object with which he is in physical contact."

nowhere does it say ANYWHERE that he can selectively control what he covers with it. the reason those he strikes don't get into the shield, is, well, because they are OUTSIDE the shield. no expression

the swords ARE hampered by the blast field, unless it is not up -- which it won't be for long anyway.

the rest of the post in pretty meaningless. even supposing he CAN sense me, he can't DO anything about it. i teleport to him then penetrate his field, engage him in h2h, and kill him.

6 arms>>>>>>2 arms

simple and effective, and as far as nj is concerned, utterly indefensible.

Newjak
Newjak Post 2 of 8

Originally posted by leonidas
no. one of her added arms was ALWAYS fully cybernetic, another is half cybernetic (and is sometimes shown as fully cybernetic also -- see below) and NONE of the grafted arms were ever "natural". she was once a normal human being. the arms were bonded to her as an act of humiliation by mojo, using both magic AND cybernetics. are the added arms fully organic? impossible to say, but given their superstrength, i'd say no, they are not simply organic, but rather techno-organic. If so then then I guess not all of them are organic but then again that doesn't change the point. Why because her arms have always been a part of her.

So much so that Angel's Paralyzing effect actually effects her even though she was hit in her cybernetic arm:
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/5086/spiralnervousux4.th.jpg
Now why would a nervous attack on her cybernetic arms actually effect her. Could it be they are and have always been completely attached to her.

Face it Leo Rogue absorbed her physical appearance like Rogue has done to other Organic-Metal people, Cybernetic people.

Originally posted by leonidas
first, lady deathstrike was HUMAN to begin with, so what she did to her HUMAN form is irrelevent to this discussion. the body she is CURRENTLY working with IS a fully cybernetic, morphable cl100 entity. the arms are an extension of that body, whether by matter manip or by possession of the dhii form a la rogue. either way, it . . . defies sense to believe the arms would be anything LESS than the originals. The problem is that you are only working with the parts that Spiral has possession of in the body shop. Those are the arms you would be grafting to Kali and thus you must prove that Spiral possesses Cybernetics that are capable of class 100 strength.

Originally posted by leonidas
as far as "proof" concerning her abilities to 'create' anything with cl100 strength, of course there IS no proof Well I'm glad we have defined that Spiral has never created anything with class 100 strength.

Originally posted by leonidas
reverts colossus from armor TO human and changes him into a child via an ectoplasmic spell (oops, so much for colossus's vaunted 'magical invulnerability . . .) Nice try Leo but that was before Colossus' upgrade. That is when he gained his magic immunity before the upgrade he was as susceptible to it as a normal person. Thankfully I have Colossus' upgraded body.

Originally posted by leonidas
herc and wonderman and the rest of the avengers -- powerless:

amping spiderwoman enormously: Nullifying power doesn't equate to her being able to match the power that she is nullifying or that she can amp someone up to those levels.

Next good word play on the Spiderwoman scan. Enormously, despite the fact that in that scan we see Colossus, CL 100, and even Rogue, CL 50 easily tear the webbing to pieces. So much for the great power boost Spiral gave her.
Also SW is organic you have no proof on how well Spiral's magic could be used to boost mechanical parts.

Originally posted by leonidas
those scans should be MORE than sufficient to prove her powerlevel is up to the task of affecting cl100-type changes, and EASILY granting her dhii body, cl100 arms. Except they are not. The only scan you showed of Spiral boosting, Rogue with Cl 50 strength was still strong enough to break through.

Originally posted by leonidas
but . . . JUST in case you STILL don't buy it, the dhii body ITSELF can morph some additional appendages WITHOUT SPIRAL'S HELP: I would like to note that with him dividing his arms into 6 ones he would reduce the strength that each possessed seeing as each would have less mass and mechanical parts for strength.

Originally posted by leonidas
her current body of course HAS no such limitations. she can do pretty well whatever she wants to the dhii body without risking it in anyway. it's healing factor is second to none in this event and combined with the morphability bestowed on the body by dhii itself AND indigo, the only issue is getting the adamantium shaped. here i have czornn's expertise in weapon-making and edged weapons to call upon, indy's speed and spiral's magic/matter manip. kali's ability to use magic/manipulation to shape the attachments in the given time is utterly logical, and the idea that magic CAN affect adamantium has also been established in the past:
You see this is where I'm having problems you keep saying Indigo's power and Spiral's powers like they actually help.

I hate to tell you this but you do not have Indigo's ability to shape and move metal. Seeing as Madison Jefferies ,Box was banned for the same reason. Just check this link and look at the rules update:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8731534#post8731534


So either the power gets banned or Indigo gets banned either way is fine with me. All she can do is turn on and off machines which isn't every helpful.

And did you actually say Spiral's power is going to help boost and quicken a process that Spiral herself does? Seems to me if she could she would have done it a long time ago.

Czornn is only useful if you can prove he has worked with admantium before

And all Sym did was physically break off the claw he wasn't shown using any magic on it in fact he didn't even shape it which is what you need to do.

***************Now I'll take a break from replying to you because this is as good a time to introduce this point as ever. First let me show the scan Leo has posted earlier:
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7939/spiraltechsv7.th.jpg

Spiral informs the other Cyborgs that LD is special and nothing like them. I mean honestly I don't see Spiral possessing large quantities of Adamantium just laying around. Seeing as Spiral has never worked with Admantium before or since I think that either Spiral
a) Procured that Admantium especially for LD or
b) She used all she had to give LD her claws.

Seeing as she doesn't go around creating Adamantium weapons or body parts. So it is in doubt whether you even have the Adamantium to work with.

Ok now back to replying:
Originally posted by leonidas
adamantium backed by sufficient force CAN penetrate colossus's metallic form. You know Leo I was going to use that scan myself but you could at least show the whole scan:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4710/ymkr2.th.jpg
Notice that S'ym at the time is incredibly strong definitely stronger than DH2.
So S'ym who is stronger than DH2 could only get it in about an inch and Colossus simply removed it and it did not effect him for the rest of the fight.
You add on my armor and even with Adamantium your attacks aren't going to do enough damage to hurt me. With my Blast Field you won't do anything to me.

Originally posted by leonidas
it is also known colossus does not sweat, and that even his insides and eyes become metal. in his metal form, colossus is no longer even human. his bodily and chemical reactions would be utterly different from sam's or ANY human's. so, if he is in fact completely different from sam in all ways, how does he generate a thermal blast from skin that resists temperatures of 9000F? Nice try Leo

But the problem is that the Thermal-chemical is just energy that his body produces. And while Colossus does turn metal his body is still the same he still has a brain, a heart, and now his thermal power.

By the way the Blast Field doesn't leak out of the the skin it surrounds it and all the things inside of him. His skin has nothing to do with it's release:
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6401/cannonballskinrp3.th.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
nowhere does it say ANYWHERE that he can selectively control what he covers with it. the reason those he strikes don't get into the shield, is, well, because they are OUTSIDE the shield. I was hoping you had read enough of cannonball but oh well if I have to prove it so be it.
Here is Sam using a Table as a weapon:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4980/cannonballtableyn4.th.jpg
Here is Sam using an Axe much like a Blade:
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1046/cannoballaxeug1.th.jpg
Note that at no time was his Blast Field surrounding those items.

Face it Leo have just given on panel proof that destroys any misconception about my Blast field.

So in review:
--He has yet to prove he has any abilities that can speed up a process that took many hours he can not even show that he has enough Adamntium to do what he wants.
--My Blast Field is working just like I said
--I'm still stronger and still a lot more durable to his attacks then he is to mine.
--I can take shots from him. He can not take shots from me.

He talked of simple and effective, my guy is just that. Still impervious to his attacks while he is not. Simply and Effectively put my guy will outlast his no matter what you choose to believe he can throw at me.

leonidas

leonidas

Newjak

leonidas
POST 5

laughing out loud

okay, i'm thinking that things have somehow become far too convoluted. i will address a couple quick points, then do something entirely novel in a tournament match. smile

point 1: barak never used 'tech' in that battle with colossus. blink they were ATTEMPTING to use tech to DRAIN the magical powers of briton from cap britain. the crimson dawn were powerful, but to perform THAT type of feat, they needed tech, and who did they go to for help? spiral. smile the draining feat barak performed against colossus was all on his own -- the tech was being used already AGAINST cap britain elsewhere in the book.

so, actually, it was a VERY good example. smile i showed 2 recent examples that colossus was felled by magics BELOW spiral's. nj has shown him resisting s'ym (he did nothing against baba jaga who had a NATURAL weakness to the steel of his body . . .) 15 years ago.

recent evidence SERIOUSLY contradicts colossus's supposed 'magical invulnerability' . . .

point 2:

nice try bunky, but this was previously cleared by goob in the last round. indy's processing power IS in fact a "power" and it is one that kali has. the thinking/analyzing speeds can ONLY be used BECAUSE of dhii's computer brain, which is also fully active because of indy's technopathy. so i have BOTH her thinking speed AND her literal speed. which means, you move in slow motion to me. smile

okay, i'll leave aside everything else in the hopes of simplifying what has become a somewhat . . . complicated match.

for the sake of argument, i will now concede NJ every single one of his points. big grin

let's review what he wants us to believe:

1. the blast field CAN be used by steel-form colossus. (seems utterly illogical to me. and incidentally, getting powers/bodies/mind that do NOT hinder each other was part of the amalgam challenge. it's why martian should NEVER have taken kitty's body with a tech mind, but trick never even brought it up. the armor fitting abomination is a SPECIAL case, specifically allowed by goob. in my case, it TOOK me finding a technopath to be ABLE to make the combination work. you made a bad meshing choice. colossus steel body cannot physically create the chemical processes needed to generate the field. hell, the guy doesn't even BLEED! his physiology is entirely different from a regular person's. again, there is NO LOGICAL WAY colossus should be able to generate the blast field.)

but, for the sake of argument, let's say he can. smile

2. the swords are somehow OUTSIDE the blast field and fully functional. again, not something i agree with. where does the field end? regardless, there would be an opening in the field if that is the case. we never see him USE the axe in that scan either. but regardless, let's say the field works like nj says and his swords are free of the field.

so, field up, swords out, shield is also outside the field. MY WORST CASE SCENARIO, right? almost . . . let's also say i don't have adamantium, and though i have 6 arms as nj allowed, let's say 4 of them are only . . . cl25? cl10? (based on what i have shown of her magic, to think spiral is incapable of creating 4 cl100 arms is ridiculous, but . . .) say they're whatever you want, i don't care.

okay, so nj has his dream come true, and gets EVERYTHING he's been arguing for the whole time. let's look at the outcome, shall we? smile

immediately upon entering the battlefield, spiral and indy sense the swords are outside the field. she knows trying to penetrate the blast field with a spell will be useless. so what to do? first, she hits him with a combination sonics and high level energy bombardment. then she ports away, underneath him, and does it again. then she ports above him and does ity again. and again, and again, forcing him to keep his field up, never coming at him from the same angle, shooting, porting, shooting, porting, always 6 blasts from different angles aimed with computer precision. if he tries to hit me with some kind of kinetic blast, i shield it and port away and continue my long range assault.

the blast field cannot stay up indefinitely.

eventually, sam runs out of energy. it's not a durability thing. his body simply cannot continue to create the necessary reactions. nj's guy will be similarly hindered. i don't care HOW long it takes. with my ability to perceive him as moving at a snail's pace, and my own ENORMOUS maneuverability advantage, i can keep up the combination attack for days if not weeks! no limit on dhii's endurance or power source has been reached.

now, if the sonics don't break his concentration immediately (i'd like to see proof of sam OR peter showing resistance to sonics . . .) then the steady barrage of both will simply force him to deplete his energy. he may even absorb some of the blasts, but with 6 simultaneous blasts coming from all angles and my ability to teleport to new locations as soon as i unleash them, he'll be hit -- A LOT. and these are NOT small blasts . . .

here she ko's a metamorpho . . . clone. all the same abilities as the real one:

http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blastkx5.jpg

here she ko's connor:

http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yj7xl6.jpg

i've showed one earlier of her ko'ing thunder at peak density.

the blasts are pretty fuggin uber, easily a match for ironman's armor. there will be a constant barrage of 6 of them, from all angles, raining down on him at all times, along with a sonic attack to FURTHER confound the issue.

now, whether from simply being depleted, or as a result of nj's guy's concentration being broken by the sonics, the blast field WILL FALL. it is a complete, unavoidable, certainty. it may take as long as you want to say it takes, but it WILL FALL. the fact is incontrovertible. and he can do NOTHING about it. he can NEVER HIT ME. i always stay out of his range, and he never knows where i will turn up next.

that's the thing about nj's guy: he needs to get near me to kill me. i have spent 4 posts showing how i can kill him h2h. but if he has his way, with the swords and field, i can kill him from a distance and never worry about him at all.

once the blast field is down, i kill his horse first. that leaves him completely grounded and if it was impossible for him to hit me before, it is beyond that now. it just becomes a matter of time. i keep up the barrage of high level energy attacks and sonics, but to FURTHER complicate his life, i pull a page from magneto's book:

http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magnetizehi3.jpg

yep, i magnetize colossus's body, forcing his arms to be drawn to his body, forcing his legs together. now, this attack may work even THROUGH the blast field, but even if it doesn't, i just wait til the field IS down. i then i launch him out of the pool, out of pluto's almost non-existent atmosphere, and into space. i follow him and watch him die. smile

or i can just use my magnetic control to make it next to impossible for him to defend himself and keep up my barrage until he is pummeled into unconsciousness. or i could force him to drop his swords. eventually, my blasts and sonics will ko him, especially hindered as he is my by magnetic assault. and they would likely do so almost the moment his field is dropped.

so, allowing for nj to have EVERYTHING HE WANTS in this battle, he STILL HAS NO CHANCE TO WIN. ZERO.

he is quite simply too one-dimensional. he needs to be next to me to kill me. with my teleportation, my processing speed, my senses and my range attacks, HE WILL NEVER EVER BE ABLE TO GET CLOSE TO ME! even NJ knows this is true.

my WORST CASE SCENARIO has him grounded at the bottom of the pool, pummeled into the same type of gelatin in which we fight, or has him floating dead in outer space. and because of his one-dimensionality, there is not a SINGLE thing he can do about it.

it doesn't get much simpler than that.

leonidas
okay, looks like i'll be unable to get back on before midnight so my opponent -- once again -- gets closing arguments.

anywy, at the start, nj essentially said it would be 2 characters (indy and dhii) against his 3 and he hoped that would be enough to sway judges his way.

no

he got his wish. the only thing spiral NEEDS to do in this battle is teleport. but even THAT is not necessary as i showed scans of indy being able to do that as well.

if you were following the computer-speed thinking discussion, again, GOOB OK'D THE STRATEGY, but, in keeping with my previous post, even THAT can be eliminated if it makes nj feel better.

i showed scans in my first rd of spiral EFFORTLESSLY tracking and anticipating the movements of a high level speedster. i don't need anything accept spiral's ltd precog and senses to evade nj's guy forever, while simultaneously blasting him with a combination high energy/sonic/magnetic assault that i can keep up indefinitely.

his blast field WILL fall due to either lack of concentration, exhaustion, or simple energy depletion (a blast field colossus cannot even logically project . . .)

his one-dimensional character is simply far out-classed by my multi-dimensional one. i showed i can defeat him h2h should i choose, and i showed i could defeat him without his ever being able to get close to me.

again, there is just no way nj's guy can win this. no way at all.

smile

Newjak
Newjak Post 4 of 8

Originally posted by leonidas
for the sake of argument, i will now concede NJ every single one of his points. Wow this makes everything very easy thanks Leo stick out tongue

Now though how to really show just how screwed he really is. You see there are a few key details I left our about my guy. Oh I was just happening to save them for a special case. I'll get to most of them soon but first I'll address somethings.

First I want everyone here to understand something. I do know where Leo's guy is at all times. I see and sense magic Leo hasn't even commented on it because he knows I'm right. So at any given time on the battle field I know where they are and where he is teleporting to. His magic will serve as a guide for me. He will never ever have the drop on me.

Second is that even though Leo says he will be attacking me from far away let's really look at what far away is. Realistically he will be unable to attack me no further than 50 yards. Anything further and my guy will have ample time to dodge it which I won't (Another point for later)

Third is Sonic attack simply will not work because I have a metal brain and a Blast Field that as I've shown protects me both inside and outside. So once again Kali's attack fails her. Also magnetism won't work like he wants to. You see when you magnetize something it doesn't mean it attracts itself. No my body won't be sticking together but any other metal will be. Since Leo's guy is the only one here with I guess that means him. Never knew DH2 got down like that. 313

Ok then now that we got that out of the way its time to really stick it to Leo.

Ok now that we know I know where Kali is at all times and even where she is going. I also want to point out that Spiral doesn't know I can do this. I on the other hand know Spiral can teleport. So what does this give me the element of surprise. I very deadly one.

I don't even actually have to quote Leo because it makes no difference from this point. His plan is to basically shoot at me and hope he can catch when my Blast Field is down.

There are just a few problems with this.
One is that yes sam does run out of steam eventually. But I have Colossus' body now which doesn't need to eat, breath in this body. My guy can go for a long long time without needing rest.

Still I know that won't be enough so let me show you another aspect of my character I've been hiding. Now everyone knows my weapons can absorb energy and apparently he is more than willing to give to me.

But one aspect of the absorbing that isn't known is that it actually goes into my body

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5713/heroesforhire03p07ea6.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9149/heroesforhire04p04eh3.jpg
Notice the terms energy is going through the body. Up till now though BK had only one outlet for his energy to go and that is back through his swords. Now though I have one other outlet. My blast field which means I now have the ability to to maintain my Blast Field so long as Leo supplies me with energy. So his Uber Blasts only serve to make me that much more Uber now. Also note that the energy taken in generally keeps the properties of the attacks. So if he hits me with Magic my Blast Field just gained high potent Magic defense.

So I don't have to worry about my guy losing my blast field because Leo is all to happy to give me all the energy I need.



Now for the fun part evil face

Remember that little difference I talked about you know the one that I know where she is at all times but she doesn't know I know that and also how he can not attack without being fairly close. Well here is where it get's really fun.

You see her teleporting to a spot with her magic aura means I will literally know where she is teleporting to before she even gets there. There is about a one second time delay on her teleporting. So with this knowledge what do I do. I throw one of my swords at the spot she is teleporting to.

You see Leo has been safe in his little world thinking I can not touch him that when he all of sudden teleports close to me and there is sword right in front of him going through his chest he will be shocked.

Now these next few scan will show that I do possess both the throwing accuracy and strength to get my blade there with both force and precision.

Here is BK throwing his sword with the accuracy to hit a Block straigt in the middle
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5596/bkthorblockxx4.jpg

And here is showing just how far and strong Colossus can throw something(Note Wolverine weighs much more than my sword
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4156/cswolverinethrowdt0.jpg

So with that kind of accuracy and power I have no doubts I will be able to throw the sword and hit exactly where her magic aura is teleporting her.

Now if anyone thinks I may overshoot Leo's guy you may be right but it doesn't matter as I can perform this little trick by simply recalling the sword and having it come and stab Kali in the back:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9962/bloodwrathswordtkse4.jpg

So this means I will stab through Leo's guy. Now for those you who think that Leo'slimited Pre-Cog will help him. Your wrong because if there is one thing Spiral has never handled well it is surprises
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/6145/spirallmdprecogqj7.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9786/spirallmdprecog2gl0.jpg

So this will take her by surprise. Now say she gets lucky and teleports away that one time. Well I simply throw my other sword to the other location which he will be even more shocked. But what if her gets away a second time. Well as I've already shown I can instantly summon back my weapons. So as soon as I'm going to throw the other sword my first one is already back in my hands. I can repeat this prcoess as much as needed and during this time I never have to worry about my blast field going down.

And if for some reason Leo would have chosen this time to teleport close and try to engage me in H2H I would simply hold my sword out where he is teleporting and she would skew yourself on my sword. Then I just cut her in half.

Now people will ask why does this matter if I get my sword stuck in her from afar.

Well it actually does one very important thing. Remember when I showed that my weapons can absorb and prevent her from using her powers. Well if the sword is stuck in her body it is going to stop her from teleporting. But it won't stop me from teleporting to her.

As shown her to get to his weapons Bk can travel across time and space if needed to.
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5559/bloodwrathteleportingiu9.jpg

So I teleport to him while his guy can no longer teleport and is in shock and grab the the handle and cut him in half again.

So I was never really afraid of Leo's guy as I've shown. He teleports close it's an insta win because he basically stabs himself on my sword and can no longer teleport away. If it happens from far away I simply teleport to him and do the same I would in close range.

All the while any energy attacks he may get off only serve to make me stronger.

Leo's guy never really had a chance against mine. The ability to know where he is and is going is simply to valuable an asset for him to overcome.

leonidas
good match nj. sneaky . . . what'd you call me . . .? smacktard. big grin be happy i didn't get a chance to reply to that last ditch effort of yours though. wink

Newjak
Originally posted by leonidas
good match nj. sneaky . . . what'd you call me . . .? smacktard. big grin be happy i didn't get a chance to reply to that last ditch effort of yours though. wink You to.

ANd sorry about the smacktard thing I was a little cranky at the moment stick out tongue

Scoobless
I vote for King Kandy.

illadelph12
Deliberating.

Good match. It took a little while for it to develop though.

illadelph12
Judge's Vote

First off let me say this was a great match. I was very happy to see this pick up some momentum after the initial lull. This match is actually difficult for me to judge, so as is my custom, I'll spell out the key points that led to my decision so that both parties can see I took your many points into consideration before casting judgement (forgive me for being long winded, I feel I owe it to the participants to explain my decisions as thoroughly as possible):

1) Apendages: I'm of the school of thought that Spiral would be able to fabricate the 4 additional limbs without much effort, and without need of grafting them to DH-II's frame. That was already covered in round one, let alone the fact that Leo provided a scan of Spiral instantaneously transforming Storm's lower body into machinery akin to Mojo on panel. From that evidence, it does seem she'd be able to augment her frame by simply replicating the pre-existing arms of DH-II as stated in the previous round without much effort.

2) Sonics: Newjak, you seemingly completely disregarded and dismissed the effects Leo's sonic bombardment would have on you, and you also provided no evidence that the sonics would have no effect on. That was a bad idea. Your amalgam still has a sense of hearing, being composed of metal doesn't negate that, and where as the concussive force may be repelled or absorbed by your blast shield, the sensory effects, which you never addressed, would be your downfall.

4) Blast Field: Leo provided on panel evidence of Spiral being able to penetrate Cannonball's blastfield. Newjak's only counter was stating that the forcefield would somehow take on the properties of Colossus body, but he provided no substantiating evidence to support this claim, and it frankly makes no sense to me that the combustion of Cannonball's

chemical reaction power would take on the properties of Colossus. I'll assume that somehow Cannonball's combustion powers can escape Colossus's solid steel frame without said frame being porous, but I'm not going for this stretch on top of that with no proof to back it up Newjak. I can't simply take your word for it. You also didn't provide evidence that you could attack with your swords with the blast shield's up. You should have really examined your scans before you presented them. The first scan you provided was of Sam bracing and pushing a table in front of himself external of his field. The table was not even in his grasp Newjak. In the second scan Sam never brandishes the axe, he had just landed and his blast field had dissipated. He then attempts to pick up an axe but it was too heavy for him to lift, so then he just resorts to blasting through the trolls unarmed. You provided no evidence that you'd be able to strike while the blast field was up.

4) Reflexes: Leo has a clear and decisive advantage in the reflexes and agility department. Spiral alone has better reflexes than each facet of her opponent amalgam independently or combined. If you add to that equation a fully functional DH-II (who has is a fully functioning super computer with superhuman reaction times in his own right) and the disputed, yet feasible, abilities of Indigo, you're severely out-classed.

Also, the scan you provided to support BK's magical awareness (him seeing through the disguise of trolls) in no way lends credence to your claim that you'd be able to track Leo's teleportation, let alone the fact that Leo never stated he was using his magical teleportation (Indigo has teleportation powers as well). In the scan all BK did was see through the illusion of 2 stationary trolls. Either way, you provided no further evidence to substantiate this claim but then proceeded to base your final attack on it.

Now, this part here is key, which will be covered in my upcoming points:

5) Throwing your swords: In your final post you stated that you would throw your swords at Leo when he teleported, then summon it back and repeat as necessary. I have a serious problem with this method of attack. Firstly, you never provided evidence that you had the split second reflexes necessary to pull this off, or clairvoyance (you only showed that you could see through magical illusions).

Secondly, I have a very hard time believing that you'd be able to tag a character with tactical teleportation who has a distinct speed advantage, as well as believing you'd be able to toss and retrieve your sword in some sort of

rapid fire manner given the limitations of your own character's speed, and then to think you'd be trying to guide the missile to follow a teleporting Kali around and strike her in the back while leaving yourself open to attack.

6) Black Knight's Teleportation: You never stated that you brought your mount into battle, so you don't have the ability to teleport, particularly considering you provided no evidence that you had the ability without Strider.

7) One dimensional: Newjak, you really should have opened up your offense. You presented no alternative means of attack. It's either slash or sword toss, both of which can be easily avoided. I don't actually see you having an advantage in close quarters combat because Leo's character is faster, arguably a more highly skilled swordsman, equally as strong (DH-II is a class 100 character) and also would have 4 additional appendages to attack you with while grappling your two arms (which would have to be external of your blast field to strike, assuming your blast field is still up). You only have two arms Newjak, and you stated that you're brandishing both swords, meaning you're not brandishing your shield to defend yourself if necessary...

etc, etc...

There's a character quota on posts so I can't cover all the points I'd like to, but I wanted to be very clear in why I make my decisions, so I'll summarize it here:

Newjak, you can't stretch things to fit into your argument when the evidence doesn't substantiate it, or in some cases is completely unrelated.

You claim Black Knight can sense all magic and has clairvoyance but you only provide a scan of him seeing through an illusion of two trolls.

You show Black Knight throwing his sword at a stationary target and assume you'd be able to tag a moving target while being bombarded with sonics that would be throwing off your concentration while you yourself would also be blasting through the air.

You show Black Knight travelling extradimensionally on his mount and stretch that into you somehow having tactical teleportation for no fathomable reason, along with the fact that no where in any of your arguments stated you brought Strider with you.

You claim that Sam's blast field won't hamper your ability to wield your sword's yet provide no evidence to refute that contention.

You claim Colossus's magical immunity will protect even in light of more recent evidence of him being overwhelmed by magic.

The adamantium and Indigo's redundant abilities really played no factor in my decision as much as a lack of evidence and unfounded extrapolations that I just couldn't accept, coupled with there only being two easily negated and overcomed methods of attack presented on Newjak's part.

I'm sorry, but I just couldn't buy it Newjak. Your last effort, while asthetically pleasing, was really just flash and no substance upon close analysis (which is why it took me so long to levy my judgment).

Sorry man. Cutting Death's Head II's body with the sword wouldn't really do enough damage to put him down considering how great his regeneration abilities are, and that's even assuming you'd be able to land a blow, where as the sonic bombardment and Leo's advantages in close and long range seemed like too much for your one trick character to overcome.

My vote is for Leonidas thumb up

Newjak
Match tally

Newjak: 0

Leo: 1

King Kandy
Don't forget my vote!

Newjak
Originally posted by King Kandy
Don't forget my vote! Whoever you voted for determines if it counts or not stick out tongue

King Kandy
No, I mean this one:

Originally posted by Scoobless
I vote for King Kandy.

Okay, I think I'll stop spamming now.

leonidas
whistle

leonidas
calling all judges *squawk* come in judges, over.












































big grin

Badabing
Originally posted by leonidas
calling all judges *squawk* come in judges, over.












































big grin I'll let Svend know you're looking for him.

leonidas
yer a pal, bada, a true pal . . .

Badabing
Originally posted by leonidas
yer a pal, bada, a true pal . . . I try bro. stick out tongue

Newjak
Are there any judges on here who want to vote sly

Roldz
Good match..

Nice sneaky post at end, i approve your style NewJack..lol

Hmm..

Validus
My judge vote goes to Leonidas.

Newjak, I really like what you did in that last post of yours. You just shouldn't have saved it for the last post. So much of your time was spent attacking the somewhat trivial aspects of Leonidas plan that I never really got the feel for what you were going to do in match. You just played into his hand a bit too much. The ideas in your last post might have worked if you just developed them a bit more.

What I really liked most about Leo's plan was his multiple variety of attacks. He did a great job of taking advantage of the versatility and speed of his character allowing him to dictate the match direction. The sonic attacks preceded by teleportation was probably the most convincing offense in this match which tilted it to his favor.

Galan007
Woah.

I didn't even know I was supposed to judge this, so sorry about the late vote, this thing took a while to read from beginning to end...



Judges vote:


Your last post was great NJ, but I still thought you spent a little too much time pecking at remedial points Leo was making, without looking at the 'bigger picture'... While Leo mythodically picked the greater majority of your strategys apart.

So without dragging this into a drawn out essay on why I picked who I did, my vote goes to Leo...


You both did an excellent job!

batdude123

Scoobless
Well now that this is done I want to ask a question about a minor point - wouldn't Spiral waving away Cannonball's blast field fall under the "no power negation" rule? in fact Spiral was specifically banned from negating her her opponents abilities while she was being drafted.

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Validus
Looks like the other two judges just wanted to see how I voted to follow my lead. That's cool. cool

Blair Wind
Originally posted by Scoobless
Well now that this is done I want to ask a question about a minor point - wouldn't Spiral waving away Cannonball's blast field fall under the "no power negation" rule? in fact Spiral was specifically banned from negating her her opponents abilities while she was being drafted.

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yea....minor ermm

I say re-judge! smile

batdude123
Originally posted by Blair Wind
yea....minor ermm

I say re-judge! smile

That really doesn't effect my decision...

illadelph12
He didn't negate the power, just had the ability to bypass it. If you notice in the scan Sam is still blasting. Spiral just was able to go through the field to him directly.

Perfectly legal.

leonidas
Originally posted by illadelph12
He didn't negate the power, just had the ability to bypass it. If you notice in the scan Sam is still blasting. Spiral just was able to go through the field to him directly.

Perfectly legal.

yes

seemed it was more a vulnerability to magic itself, than anything spiral did specifically.

Newjak
Originally posted by leonidas
yes

seemed it was more a vulnerability to magic itself, than anything spiral did specifically. Yeah well nevermind the fact my swords would have still negated any magic you used against me mhm

stick out tongue

Good match though Leo if I had been judging I would have voted for you as well. wink

Validus
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah well nevermind the fact my swords would have still negated any magic you used against me mhm

stick out tongue

Good match though Leo if I had been judging I would have voted for you as well. wink
Really? I would have voted Newjak.

leonidas
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah well nevermind the fact my swords would have still negated any magic you used against me mhm

stick out tongue

Good match though Leo if I had been judging I would have voted for you as well. wink

and maybe they would have negated your blast field . . . shifty

anyway, i knew it would be fun and a challenge nj. you didn't disappoint. wink

leonidas
Originally posted by Validus
Really? I would have voted Newjak.

i'd have voted for val. no expression

Newjak
Originally posted by Validus
My judge vote goes to Leonidas.

Newjak, I really like what you did in that last post of yours. You just shouldn't have saved it for the last post. So much of your time was spent attacking the somewhat trivial aspects of Leonidas plan that I never really got the feel for what you were going to do in match. You just played into his hand a bit too much. The ideas in your last post might have worked if you just developed them a bit more.

What I really liked most about Leo's plan was his multiple variety of attacks. He did a great job of taking advantage of the versatility and speed of his character allowing him to dictate the match direction. The sonic attacks preceded by teleportation was probably the most convincing offense in this match which tilted it to his favor.


Originally posted by Validus
Really? I would have voted Newjak. no expression

Newjak
Originally posted by leonidas
and maybe they would have negated your blast field . . . shifty

anyway, i knew it would be fun and a challenge nj. you didn't disappoint. wink Not if they were outside it shifty

It was fun I got to take my super wolverine past round one which is more than I thought considering the guy I was going against had telepathy stick out tongue

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