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Hulk comes in this one at 500 tons and getting madder by the second, & Glads confidence is through the roof! Can the team take a majority? I say team gets 6/10

So it's not just h2h? Thanos stomps

Originally posted by iceman24567
So it's not just h2h? Thanos stomps Really? So you think that if it was just h2h the team would then be able to get a majority?

Originally posted by BattleMage
Hulk comes in this one at 500 tons and getting madder by the second, & Glads confidence is through the roof! Can the team take a majority? I say team gets 6/10 so hulk is far weaker than he should be?

Thanos BONKS their heads together for the quick win.

^Glads is stronger than Thanos and much faster. So no head bonking will be available.

Originally posted by h1a8
^Glads is stronger than Thanos and much faster. So no head bonking will be available.

http://www.msn101.com/content/emoticons/RetardHappy_61NMQ9.png

Originally posted by h1a8
^Glads is stronger than Thanos and much faster. So no head bonking will be available. Thanos still one shots him

Hulk could lift 500 tons in his sleep.

The 100 tons thing is a complete fail misnomer by Marvel.

In fact, Spidey can lift 100 tons with some strain. By the definition of the qualifications necessary to be in 100 tons class, Spidey would technically qualify.

That's why I prefer DC's more straightforward classifcation method: hey, how do you fare against Supes?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hulk could lift 500 tons in his sleep.

The 100 tons thing is a complete fail misnomer by Marvel.

In fact, Spidey can lift 100 tons with some strain. By the definition of the qualifications necessary to be in 100 tons class, Spidey would technically qualify.

That's why I prefer DC's more straightforward classifcation method: hey, how do you fare against Supes? Do you read comics?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you read comics?

Did you understand a single bit of what I posted?

'100 tonners' aren't actually 100 tonners. They are more like 100,000 tonners. At least.

Spiderman has lifted things whose actual weight would be around 100 tons. Obviously he's not a class 100 guy, although by the simple description of the 100 ton class, he would technically qualify.

Thus, Marvel's strength classification is a complete failure in living up to its basic description.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Did you understand a single bit of what I posted?

'100 tonners' aren't actually 100 tonners. They are more like 100,000 tonners. At least.

Spiderman has lifted things whose actual weight would be around 100 tons. Obviously he's not a class 100 guy, although by the simple description of the 100 ton class, he would technically qualify.

Thus, Marvel's strength classification is a complete failure in living up to its basic description. The handbooks are jokes anyways and Spiderman isn't portrayed as lifting 100 tons it's a few feats artists threw up with nerds applying weight to with their calculators like I have seen numerous zelda fans do with zelda games.

haha

but he's right about the strength thing, 100 tons is routine lifting not one time with all your might as spidey may have done when lifting this huge metal scaffolding off his back. spidey can do 10-15 tons routinely

wonderman stopped a printing press from crushing down on someone for a while, the tonnage was 50,000 psi or some shit like that.

on the other hand you have a not pissed at all banner-hulk bracing that inner cavity of a mountain that was 150,000,000,000 tons.

both characters can military press 100 tons routinely thus class 100+, but they are not peers when it gets serious.

it's a bell-curve system

Originally posted by quanchi112
The handbooks are jokes anyways

That's my point. Marvel's classifcation system is flawed as hell.



No. It's a simple matter of knowing or referencing the weight of things he's lifted. 100 ton objects are not particularly big. Moderate sized boulders weigh that much. Tanks can weigh that much, often more. Spiderman has thrown around tanks and such.

Hulk coming in at 500 tons means he would be weaker than he's ever been in his life, if taken by its literal meaning. (which I'm just doing for giggles, I know what the TS actually means.)

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's my point. Marvel's classifcation system is flawed as hell.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The handbooks are jokes anyways and Spiderman isn't portrayed as lifting 100 tons it's a few feats artists threw up with nerds applying weight to with their calculators like I have seen numerous zelda fans do with zelda games. damn nerds

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's my point. Marvel's classifcation system is flawed as hell.



No. It's a simple matter of knowing or referencing the weight of things he's lifted. 100 ton objects are not particularly big. Moderate sized boulders weigh that much. Tanks can weigh that much, often more. Spiderman has thrown around tanks and such.

Hulk coming in at 500 tons means he would be weaker than he's ever been in his life, if taken by its literal meaning. (which I'm just doing for giggles, I know what the TS actually means.) Again, most writers don't even know what the artists drawings realistically weigh and people like you trying to assign real numbers to it is hilarious.

You won't ever get how most of these feats are actually thought up and will contiue to feat it up with video games and comics despite common sense screaming in your face.

We argue how these characters are commonly portrayed and here's a writer explaining how the real world works.

Kurt Busiek--hey don't even make sense half the time -- if a stat in the Handbook says that Character A can lift 120 tons, most artists don't know what 120 tons looks like, and they don't go and check whether a particular airplane or tank or whatever is within the character's stated limits; they just figure that means "wicked strong" and draw what looks to them appropriately "wicked."

I think that system works better than assigning numbers -- all that happens when you do that is that someone says Spider-Man can lift 40 tons (or whatever) because of that humongous machine he lifted once with incredible effort, and then bang, all of a sudden it's his standard strength, and fans who use to see Spider-Man go up against three guys with lead pipes and think it was an okay fight are going, "No way! He can lift 40 tons! That means he can juggle Buicks!"

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
damn nerds You have no idea how far nerds will go to prove what something weighs without any real proof and they actually believe they are right. It's hysterical.

Still say team

Originally posted by BattleMage
Still say team Based on which Thanos loss?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, most writers don't even know what the artists drawings realistically weigh and people like you trying to assign real numbers to it is hilarious.

You won't ever get how most of these feats are actually thought up and will contiue to feat it up with video games and comics despite common sense screaming in your face.

We argue how these characters are commonly portrayed and here's a writer explaining how the real world works.

Kurt Busiek--hey don't even make sense half the time -- if a stat in the Handbook says that Character A can lift 120 tons, most artists don't know what 120 tons looks like, and they don't go and check whether a particular airplane or tank or whatever is within the character's stated limits; they just figure that means "wicked strong" and draw what looks to them appropriately "wicked."

I think that system works better than assigning numbers -- all that happens when you do that is that someone says Spider-Man can lift 40 tons (or whatever) because of that humongous machine he lifted once with incredible effort, and then bang, all of a sudden it's his standard strength, and fans who use to see Spider-Man go up against three guys with lead pipes and think it was an okay fight are going, "No way! He can lift 40 tons! That means he can juggle Buicks!"

All of this is common sense. But for what reason are you going to such great lengths to defend writer ignorance? Do you not find it fun to poke fun at them for it? I certainly do.


And don't speak of common sense Quan, you demonstrate lack of it all the time. Even in this post of yours.

Unless we somehow get notice that common materials in comics are supposed to somehow weigh less than they do in the real world, I'll be taking logical calculations over objects being lifted than obviously flawed and unreliable handbook descriptions. THAT is common sense.

In order to fix it their classifications, they simply have to get rid of the 'tonnage' qualifier next to the class names.

Class 100 should not mean guys who can lift/press/bench 100 tons. It should simply stand as a number by itself that, 'hey, these are the strongest mofos you will find in this verse'.

Quam couild start a argument with himself about nothing in a empty room

Originally posted by CosmicComet
All of this is common sense. But for what reason are you going to such great lengths to defend writer ignorance? Do you not find it fun to poke fun at them for it? I certainly do.


And don't speak of common sense Quan, you demonstrate lack of it all the time. Even in this post of yours.

Unless we somehow get notice that common materials in comics are supposed to somehow weigh less than they do in the real world, I'll be taking logical calculations over objects being lifted than obviously flawed and unreliable handbook descriptions. THAT is common sense.

In order to fix it their classifications, they simply have to get rid of the 'tonnage' qualifier next to the class names.

Class 100 should not mean guys who can lift/press/bench 100 tons. It should simply stand as a number by itself that, 'hey, these are the strongest mofos you will find in this verse'. You don't get that most don't base this stuff on reality or search the internet for the weight of objects in their drawings.

The point is one or two feats which you can't determine don't change the way these characters are portrayed. That's the point which you'll never get.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't get that most don't base this stuff on reality or search the internet for the weight of objects in their drawings.

The point is one or two feats which you can't determine don't change the way these characters are portrayed. That's the point which you'll never get.

The point that you will never get is I'm doing nothing but criticizing the stupid wording of a classification system. It's flawed. It's laughable.

Spiderman lifts a 100 tons. It's in his potential. He's done it regularly enough to say so. That doesn't mean he's even a single percent of Thor's strength of course. Who is an actual '100 tonner'.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The point that you will never get is I'm doing nothing but criticizing the stupid wording of a classification system. It's flawed. It's laughable.

Spiderman lifts a 100 tons. It's in his potential. He's done it regularly enough to say so. That doesn't mean he's even a single percent of Thor's strength of course. Who is an actual '100 tonner'. When has he lifted 100 tons?

Don't be obtuse. They've already been mentioned. He's done it several times throughout his career.

100 tons is not an astronomical number.

for example a writer doesnt know the make up of an asteroid whether it is hollow or not.. all he knows is he wants to drawn something that is big twice the size of earth and wants his guy to break it.. this to show how strong his guy is he is implying it is twice as big twice as heavy..etc etc..

then the nerds come in well the asteroid could have bn mostly, water hollow with gas pockets and that would be less heavy or dense as earth.. so not impressive against my guys feat. which the same argument lowballing can be applied but it is ignored for convenience for winning the argument.

the point is the nerds and idiots with lil science and access to internet try to apply real world phsyics and dismiss the writer and artist actual intent..

its like a guy drawing a dog and some @$$hole walks in and says its a cat the artist doesnt know what he was trying to draw i'll correct him..

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Don't be obtuse. They've already been mentioned. He's done it several times throughout his career.

100 tons is not an astronomical number. The point is you have no idea and like usual are talking out of your ass. Concession accepted.Originally posted by Wild Shadow
for example a writer doesnt know the make up of an asteroid whether it is hollow or not.. all he knows is he wants to drawn something that is big twice the size of earth and whats his guy to break it.. this to show how strong his guy is he is implying it is twice as big twice as heavy..etc etc..

then the nerds come in well the asteroid could have bn mostly, water hollow with gas pockets and that would be less heavy or dense as earth.. so not impressive against my guys feat. which the same argument lowballing can be applied but it is ignored for convenience for winning the argument.

the point is the nerds and idiots with lil science and access to internet try to apply real world phsyics and dismiss the writer and artist actual intent..

its like a guy drawing a dog and some @$$hole walks in and says its a cat the artist doesnt know what he was trying i'll correct him.. Exactly, you should see posters argue for Link strength feats when the character isn't portrayed as strong by any stretch of the imagination.

Writer's intent is one thing, but unless said writer gives specifications, it does not rule out application of logic.

Grey Hulk breaking a hollow asteroid does not deny writers intent at all: i.e. its a strong feat. Hulk is strong for having done that. How strong? Maybe not as strong as the writer may have intended, but unless he closes the gaps on specifications (we'll never know the extent of his intent unless he does) the rest will be filled in by application of knowledge and logic by fans.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Writer's intent is one thing, but unless said writer gives specifications, it does not rule out application of logic.

Grey Hulk breaking a hollow asteroid does not deny writers intent at all: i.e. its a strong feat. Hulk is strong for having done that. How strong? Maybe not as strong as the writer may have intended, but unless he closes the gaps on specifications (we'll never know the extent of his intent unless he does) the rest will be filled in by application of knowledge and logic by fans. When did it state it was a hollow asteroid?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is you have no idea and like usual are talking out of your ass. Concession accepted.

The only concession is you admitting to not knowing the weight of real life things and then falling back on writer ignorance to support your own.

100 tons is not a big deal. It is lifted routinely in comics by any number of lame mid-tiers.

Again, spiderman has tossed around tanks with ease among other things.

an asteroid can also be solid with small pockets .. i would think that earth is more hollow then certain asteroids due to the magam molten core especially if they are the size of one another which means we can also and just as likely assume the asteroid was completely solid as oppose to hollow.

also it is ignorant to argue against writers intend for what one believes to be logical in a fantasy art medium.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did it state it was a hollow asteroid?


Looks like the post went entirely over your head.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The only concession is you admitting to not knowing the weight of real life things and then falling back on writer ignorance to support your own.

100 tons is not a big deal. It is lifted routinely in comics by any number of lame mid-tiers.

Again, spiderman has tossed around tanks with ease among other things. Name the mid tiers and the circumstances. I cited a writer stating the obvious so the burden is on you to cite a writer using real world numbers to back up the drawings. Go ahead.

Which tanks weigh 100 tons?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
an asteroid can also be solid with small pockets .. i would think that earth is more hollow then certain asteroids due to the magam molten core especially if they are the size of one another which means we can also and just as likely assume the asteroid was completely solid as oppose to hollow.

also it is ignorant to argue against writers intend for what one believes to be logical in a fantasy art medium.

You missed the point. I was not saying the asteroid was hollow. My point was that if fans conjectured that it was hollow (I use the term loosely), it would not tamper with writers intent at all. It's a massive strength feat regardless. Unless the writer specifies how massive a feat its supposed to be (i.e. how heavy the asteroid is), then it leaves room for us to measure.

Writer ignorance or lack of detail is not room for abandonment of knowledge of logic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on which Thanos loss? so so sad

my problem which is why i brought up the hulk feat is that some fans are bias with how they argue and conjecture.

they do it to dismiss a feat but not another.. example:

some argue the asteroid is hollow so not as heavy as earth or dense.. but ignore the fact that earth itself is not solid either and has magma crack fissures and mostly water.. but the asteroid whether hollo or not is still twice the size..

now this is where it gets worse ppl arguing for superman will use a moon feat and say that feat is more impressive then hulk's feat but it is a matter of opinion and massive one sided bias..why? b/c the same argument that applied against the asteroid being hollow is not used for supe's feat nor does anyone mention the size of a moon compare to our earth or any other planet object that we know of..

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You missed the point. I was not saying the asteroid was hollow. My point was that if fans conjectured that it was hollow (I use the term loosely), it would not tamper with writers intent at all. It's a massive strength feat regardless. Unless the writer specifies how massive a feat its supposed to be (i.e. how heavy the asteroid is), then it leaves room for us to measure.

Writer ignorance or lack of detail is not room for abandonment of knowledge of logic. Common sense also applies and we always go with how the character is commonly portrayed not baseless speculation based on a drawing.

Originally posted by BattleMage
so so sad You stated he loses so tell me which loss supports this?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Name the mid tiers and the circumstances. I cited a writer stating the obvious so the burden is on you to cite a writer using real world numbers to back up the drawings. Go ahead.

Which tanks weigh 100 tons?

Your Busiek quote means what? We already know that handbook stats are completely unreliable. That just reaffirmation.

Again, you miss the point. It is not important for a writer to cite the weight of an object and have it be cross referenced with actual weights in order for us to know what it weighs. If they lack any figure, then logically we go by a real world figure. Once more,

And no, I'm too lazy to give an exhaustive list. All you have to know is that I'm right . 100 tons objects are not particularly big at all we've seen tons of characters lift things that weigh 100 tons in actuality. Savage Dragon is another mid-tier that's lifted over 100 tons.

Lots of tanks weigh 100 tons. I'm not going to give you lists of things that should be common knowledge.

arrogance of ppl has always bn the bane of the art world.. critics thinking they know what the artist was thinking, feeling or tryin to express.. pompous ignorant @$$holes.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Your Busiek quote means what? We already know that handbook stats are completely unreliable. That just reaffirmation.

Again, you miss the point. It is not important for a writer to cite the weight of an object and have it be cross referenced with actual weights in order for us to know what it weighs. If they lack any figure, then logically we go by a real world figure. Once more,

And no, I'm too lazy to give an exhaustive list. All you have to know is that I'm right . 100 tons objects are not particularly big at all we've seen tons of characters lift things that weigh 100 tons in actuality. Savage Dragon is another mid-tier that's lifted over 100 tons.

Lots of tanks weigh 100 tons. I'm not going to give you lists of things that should be common knowledge. I never said they were accurate I simply gave a writer's opinion which supports common sense for the most part.

No, that's all based on speculation so in the end waste your time it doesn't mean anything.

You can't back up your case at all with examples or tanks which weigh 100 tons. You just pretend you know this stuff when it's clear you are just making things up without supporting your case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Common sense also applies and we always go with how the character is commonly portrayed not baseless speculation based on a drawing.


Common sense would be realizing that unless specified otherwise, common objects in comics and real world are meant to be 1 to 1 in a comparison. Lest the whole idea of feats in general becomes useless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they were accurate I simply gave a writer's opinion which supports common sense for the most part.

No, that's all based on speculation so in the end waste your time it doesn't mean anything.

You can't back up your case at all with examples or tanks which weigh 100 tons. You just pretend you know this stuff when it's clear you are just making things up without supporting your case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

google is your friend.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Common sense would be realizing that unless specified otherwise, common objects in comics and real world are meant to be 1 to 1 in a comparison. Lest the whole idea of feats in general becomes useless. No, that isn't common at all hence lifting huge structures without them falling apart. If you think this is all possible irl and can cite examples of writers actually applying real life numbers in their stories to show strength then do so.

Originally posted by -Pr-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

google is your friend. I don't trust wiki unless another source backs it up.

i remember a tank feat spidey had.. the tank design wasnt real it doesnt exist in the real world it was small almost comical and then the fan wanking starts and try to apply the real weight of an abram tank and other similar tanks to an artist unique small go cart style tech one in order to claim how massively strong spidey was when he help flip it with his finger.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i remember a tank feat spidey had.. the tank design wasnt real it doesnt exist in the real world it was small almost comical and then the fan wanking starts and try to apply the real weight of an abram tank and other similar tanks to an artist unique small go cart style tech one in order to claim how massively strong spidey was when he help flip it with his finger. It's funny because busiek's example is spiderman and how fans misinterpret feats and ignore how he's normally portrayed.

The tanks weren't his only 100 ton feat anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that isn't common at all hence lifting huge structures without them falling apart. If you think this is all possible irl and can cite examples of writers actually applying real life numbers in their stories to show strength then do so.

I don't trust wiki unless another source backs it up.

weak dodge.

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/PANZERKAMPFWAGEN%20VIII%20MAUS.htm

Originally posted by -Pr-
weak dodge.

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/PANZERKAMPFWAGEN%20VIII%20MAUS.htm Ok, did spiderman ever toss these tanks? Because some tanks weigh more than 100 tons and some do not and my point has always been this isn't his standard strength nor is this how he is commonly portrayed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that isn't common at all hence lifting huge structures without them falling apart. If you think this is all possible irl and can cite examples of writers actually applying real life numbers in their stories to show strength then do so.

LOL. You are branching off into a completely seperate area of comic physics discussion. Don't try to befuddle this, and fail. Like I said, if by your admission the weights are different so as to allow feats that would not be possible due to structural integrity make it so, then as I said. The feat becomes useless.

And thankfully, DCU at least has an explanation for someone like Supes being able to lift up a skyscraper without it collapsing.

We've already been given examples of weights of objects in comics that would resonate reasonably with actual figures, i.e. the weight of the mountain range than hulk braced.



Yes, and those are called 'citations'. And they are found at the bottom of the page. Moron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, did spiderman ever toss these tanks? Because some tanks weigh more than 100 tons and some do not and my point has always been this isn't his standard strength nor is this how he is commonly portrayed.

why are you asking me? i dont read spidey.

when you compare the size of the tank to spidey standing beside it, spidey was nearly as tall of it if not taller iirc... and its length was the size of a normal size vehicle...

pretty sure that paladin was struggling to flip it cant recall how strong he is i think 2 tonner.. so if you factor all this and use it all as a measuring stick then the tank couldnt have weight any wear an abram tank and not that impressive feat for spidey..

Originally posted by CosmicComet
LOL. You are branching off into a completely seperate area of comic physics discussion. Don't try to befuddle this, and fail. Like I said, if by your admission the weights are different so as to allow feats that would not be possible due to structural integrity make it so, then as I said. The feat becomes useless.

And thankfully, DCU at least has an explanation for someone like Supes being able to lift up a skyscraper without it collapsing.

We've already been given examples of weights of objects in comics that would resonate reasonably with actual figures, i.e. the weight of the mountain range than hulk braced.



Yes, and those are called 'citations'. And they are found at the bottom of the page. Moron. Dcu also has a lot of things that take place that make no sense it's comics and applying physics to comics is failure.

We argue how characters are portrayed not speculate over rare feats you can't prove and ignore his averages.

Hulk and Thor have planet busting power and they are portrayed generally as able to lift mountains unlike spiderman who isn't strong at all compared to these guys.


Then add those as sources, kid. I don't care what you do you're a geek who speculates on variables he cannot prove.


Originally posted by -Pr-
why are you asking me? i dont read spidey. It had to do with my greater point.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when you compare the size of the tank to spidey standing beside it, spidey was nearly as tall of it if not taller iirc... and its length was the size of a normal size vehicle...

pretty sure that paladin was struggling to flip it cant recall how strong he is i think 2 tonner.. so if you factor all this and use it all as a measuring stick then the tank couldnt have weight any wear an abram tank and not that impressive feat for spidey..

I remember the scans being rather inconsistent with tank size. At some points they looked like average sized tanks. At other times smaller.

Regardless, Spiderman has other 100 ton feats. This is not an issue at all. Again 100 tons is not a big weight for inanimate objects.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I remember the scans being rather inconsistent with tank size. At some points they looked like average sized tanks. At other times smaller.

Regardless, Spiderman has other 100 ton feats. This is not an issue at all. Again 100 tons is not a big weight for inanimate objects. Give examples. Quit dodging either you know or you don't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dcu also has a lot of things that take place that make no sense it's comics and applying physics to comics is failure.

We argue how characters are portrayed not speculate over rare feats you can't prove and ignore his averages.

Hulk and Thor have planet busting power and they are portrayed generally as able to lift mountains unlike spiderman who isn't strong at all compared to these guys.


Then add those as sources, kid. I don't care what you do you're a geek who speculates on variables he cannot prove.

Was there ever a point where I said Spiderman was as strong as those guys? Jesus you dumb sack of potatoes.

My whole point in this thread was poking fun at a failed classification description system.

You somehow tried to correlate impossible lifting feats for meaning different weights, which again would mean thor or someone else lifting a building without it collapsing is useless as a feat as the comic would render it lighter than an actual one for it to be possible. Although we know impossibility aside, that's not what they are going for obviously The empire state building in the Marvel universe is meant to be one in the same in construct as the real one obviously.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Give examples. Quit dodging either you know or you don't.

An example of one, he was nearly crushed by some giant metal apparatus that he estimated as outweighing a locomotive. Which weighs at least 100 tons. He lifted it up with strain.

but the phsyics in the comic world is different from the real one.. so to apply a characters feat as a real gauge to his strength limit is flawed..

example.. spidey help brace the daily buckle an impossible feat for his strength classification if we use real world physics and try to apply real world weight construction material off a small corner depiction of the building..

now the amount of webbing stored in the cartridges should also be impossbile and would be impossible for spidey to react fast enough to unload the cartridges fast enough to stop the building in the middle of its collapse with gravity and all..

its called suspension of disbelieve and we have to either except that spidey can move faster then gravity pulling on a building and surround the building with webbing.. has 100+ strength and has massive storage capacity in his cartridges that he can store hundreds of gallons of liquid/ gaseous substance in his wrist and waist that would weight a sh@$ load under the amount of pressure.

or we accept that real life science doesnt apply and its a fantasy world where spidey is really just a 10 tonner and that the world around him doesnt reflect his power classification..

he is not a 100+ tonner he does not possess Quicksilver lvl mach 10 speed

also spidey invented a new plastic material that is adamantium lvl strong to hold all the gases in his cartridges

Your post is long winded for no particular reason as it has nothing to do with my original point whatsoever I'm afraid. No, nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or suspension of logic or anything like that.

His classification does not define him. His feats define him. His classification is( as is almost the entirety of the marvel classification) flawed.

No. Spiderman is not a class 100 character, that's my whole freakin' point this whole time.

But by the terrible description of the class 100 category, he would 'technically' fit right in. Seeing as all it says is that it requires that you be able to lift 100 tons. Which he has done.

Again, the only thing I've been trying to point out is how flawed the strength class descriptions are. They should axe the tonnage values altogether.

Spidey can still be a class 20 or whatever he is. It would just mean a class 20 can lift about a 100 tons with max effort. Whereas a class 100 would be lifting an incalculable amount more than that at their max.

and i am saying ppl need to stop giving value to the objects in comics in order to say the character is a 100 tonner or 50 tonner just take it at face value..

in a forum just say look my guy lifted an elevator and tossed it one handed.. that is it my guy hits you with it your guy is dead unless he can lift it off himself...

no need to say my guy is stronger and should be a 100 tonner b/c of this drawing here. your guy is still just a 10 tonner by consensus of the writer with a nice splash page

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Was there ever a point where I said Spiderman was as strong as those guys? Jesus you dumb sack of potatoes.

My whole point in this thread was poking fun at a failed classification description system.

You somehow tried to correlate impossible lifting feats for meaning different weights, which again would mean thor or someone else lifting a building without it collapsing is useless as a feat as the comic would render it lighter than an actual one for it to be possible. Although we know impossibility aside, that's not what they are going for obviously The empire state building in the Marvel universe is meant to be one in the same in construct as the real one obviously. Quit getting so worked up, sport. The point was assigning numbers to feats is asinine. You getting riled up because you're a geek is you're problem, geek.

Who is talking about the empire state building we are discussing rare feats that writers don't even themselves think through while geeks like yourself are busting out your calculators for.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
An example of one, he was nearly crushed by some giant metal apparatus that he estimated as outweighing a locomotive. Which weighs at least 100 tons. He lifted it up with strain. Who? Issue number or scans this is all pretty vague and probably exaggerated on your part like you normally do.

i never thought i be agreeing with you this much on a subject..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i never thought i be agreeing with you this much on a subject.. You should participate in a zelda thread with Link and then you'll hear exaggerations like no other.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they were accurate I simply gave a writer's opinion which supports common sense for the most part.

No, that's all based on speculation so in the end waste your time it doesn't mean anything.

You can't back up your case at all with examples or tanks which weigh 100 tons. You just pretend you know this stuff when it's clear you are just making things up without supporting your case.

Spidey has lifted(or braced) multistory buildings more than once. He has flattened cosmic powered beings (Firelord). He has threw around tanks like they were balded up pieces of paper.. He has smashed to pieces tanks like they were made of plastic toys. Has lifted the same boulder that was so big that he had to help She-Hulk lift. He has caught a huge helicopter in his hands falling from several stories, He has finger flicked trains cars over like they were nothing, etc. Many of these are class 100 feats or close. He has many many others that are beyond 15tons though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit getting so worked up, sport. The point was assigning numbers to feats is asinine. You getting riled up because you're a geek is you're problem, geek. If we don't assign numbers to feats then we have to go by the handbooks. If we don't go by handbooks then we have to assign numbers to feats.

We do this so that we know what type of strength a character is dealing with (just in case they become real LOL). So that we have a good estimate to compare the strengths of two or more characters. Its been a rule or a long time now (and common sense) that FEATS prove who is stronger.

If we ONLY go off of which feat LOOKS better then that is not proof but opinion. With opinion there is nothing to debate about.

Originally posted by h1a8
If we don't assign numbers to feats then we have to go by the handbooks. If we don't go by handbooks then we have to assign numbers to feats.

Going by this Gladiator is one of the most powerful beings in Marvel U and DC right under Galactus since no one has a a Bio like him but even though I love Gladiator I know the truth.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/b81fb785101320

Thanos 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
Going by this Gladiator is one of the most powerful beings in Marvel U and DC right under Galactus since no one has a a Bio like him but even though I love Gladiator I know the truth.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/b81fb785101320

Gladiator is like Hulk, variable. He can be extremely powerful, average, or weak. I don't get what you are trying to say.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thanos 8/10


I doubt if Thanos can do anything to a Gladiator whose confidence is through the roof. That Gladiator can possibly 1 or 2 shot Thanos.

Show a high herald level being koing Thanos?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Show a high herald level being koing Thanos?

Logical fallacy. Something that was never shown doesn't mean that it can't happen.

Glads with confidence through the roof is beyond most high heralds in strength.

Thanos is strength personified. They get owned by Head Bonk to KO principle. Glads` mohawk slows him down plus it is a nice handle to grab for the BONK.

thanos 8/10

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i remember a tank feat spidey had.. the tank design wasnt real it doesnt exist in the real world it was small almost comical and then the fan wanking starts and try to apply the real weight of an abram tank and other similar tanks to an artist unique small go cart style tech one in order to claim how massively strong spidey was when he help flip it with his finger. You must be thinking of another feat. When he used his finger I think it was a truck or something like that, and I agree it wasnt that impressive. But Pete's got feat of lifting a tank over his head and smashing it like a toy. And another feat when he used a webline to swing a tank into another tank smashing both of them. Lifting weight over your head is one thing, swinging it like that is much harder and requires a lot of strength. That was a class 50 feat easy.

Thanos

Originally posted by h1a8
Logical fallacy. Something that was never shown doesn't mean that it can't happen.

Glads with confidence through the roof is beyond most high heralds in strength. Which means nothing Thanos would tank his punches then casually ko him at his leisure Hulk is the real threat

Originally posted by iceman24567
Which means nothing Thanos would tank his punches then casually ko him at his leisure Hulk is the real threat

Prove that Thanos can tank the punches of a confidence through the roof Gladiator.

even colossus can lift over 500 tons now

Thanos will absorb WWH energy or BFR or encase pure force, Gladiator will wake up with a new haircut. Thanos will b***h slap gladiator all day regardless if his confidence is of teh charts, it didn't help when he battled tyrant.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Thanos can tank the punches of a confidence through the roof Gladiator. Joke right? He's tanked far worse with no real damage. Gladz striking power is to low to affect Thanos

Originally posted by iceman24567
Joke right? He's tanked far worse with no real damage. Gladz striking power is to low to affect Thanos

Prove that he tanked far worst in physical blunt force attacks.
Glads at confidence through the roof can 1-2 shot Thanos.

in a fist fight team wins 7/10

in a normal fight thanos wins 8/10 being that sometimes he tries to go h2h before he starts using his powers

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that he tanked far worst in physical blunt force attacks.
Glads at confidence through the roof can 1-2 shot Thanos. He's tanked far worse in blunt force and energy attacks. His durability is his bread and butter everybody here knows this but you choose to ignore it. I rather be arrested for being black than try to prove something to a troll like you . Gladz could hit Thanos all he wants while Thanos smiles

Originally posted by carver9
Going by this Gladiator is one of the most powerful beings in Marvel U and DC right under Galactus since no one has a a Bio like him but even though I love Gladiator I know the truth.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/b81fb785101320
I don't see anything in his bio that even suggests he's one of the most powerful beings in a Universe where busting a Galaxy is child's play to the members of the higher tiers.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He's tanked far worse in blunt force and energy attacks. His durability is his bread and butter everybody here knows this but you choose to ignore it. I rather be arrested for being black than try to prove something to a troll like you . Gladz could hit Thanos all he wants while Thanos smiles

That means you can't prove it. Concession accepted. Thanos blunt force durability isn't all that great. His energy projection durability is though.

Originally posted by h1a8
That means you can't prove it. Concession accepted. Thanos blunt force durability isn't all that great. His energy projection durability is though. It means proof isn't needed because Thanos' durability is common knowledge. Just because you say random shit doesn't make it true. Yes i concede to the fact that you are trolling again

ive heard gladiator can survive a supernova at point blank range

Originally posted by iceman24567
It means proof isn't needed because Thanos' durability is common knowledge. Just because you say random shit doesn't make it true. Yes i concede to the fact that you are trolling again


It's common knowledge that Thanos has super human durability (beyond human) but it isn't common knowledge that he has the durability to withstand the fierce punches of a Gladiator WHOSE CONFIDENCE IS THROUGH THE ROOF. Its actually a lie.

I troll not here. You are trolling since you are making a claim without backing it up.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
ive heard gladiator can survive a supernova at point blank range
So can my titanium balls Thanos would still 1 shot him if he feels like it

Originally posted by h1a8
It's common knowledge that Thanos has super human durability (beyond human) but it isn't common knowledge that he has the durability to withstand the fierce punches of a Gladiator WHOSE CONFIDENCE IS THROUGH THE ROOF. Its actually a lie.

I troll not here. You are trolling since you are making a claim without backing it up. Didn't i already concede? Why are you still trolling? What feats does this version of Gladz that nobody has ever seen have? Just curious

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
ive heard gladiator can survive a supernova at point blank range
Supernovas are among the list of phenomena that comic book writers should stay away from. Along with blackholes and stellar cores they're notorious jobber zones.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Didn't i already concede? Why are you still trolling? What feats does this version of Gladz that nobody has ever seen have? Just curious

A lesser version has destroyed a REAL planet (one with an atmosphere) with a few punches. It is stated that he can collaspe stars with his bare hand.

Originally posted by h1a8
A lesser version has destroyed a REAL planet (one with an atmosphere) with a few punches. It is stated that he can collaspe stars with his bare hand.
So a ambiguous feat and hyperbole your argument is sound . Ignoring you seems to be the right course of action i have learned alot from our "debate"

Originally posted by h1a8
A lesser version has destroyed a REAL planet (one with an atmosphere) with a few punches. It is stated that he can collaspe stars with his bare hand.
Feat projection ftw.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Feat projection ftw. I feel h1 is really trying though it kinda makes me sad

Originally posted by iceman24567
So a ambiguous feat and hyperbole your argument is sound . Ignoring you seems to be the right course of action i have learned alot from our "debate" I disagree that it is hyperbole. But I do agree that we have not yet seen a Glads that can collaspe a star with his bare hands. I find that unbelievable. How is the planet destroying feat ambiguous?

Have you not looked at the scan? Nevermind i don't care

^Of course I have. Why you think I said REAL PLANET?

Don't know don't care anyways Thanos wins

Trolling again I see. Trolls don't support their claim.

LOL yup

Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey has lifted(or braced) multistory buildings more than once. He has flattened cosmic powered beings (Firelord). He has threw around tanks like they were balded up pieces of paper.. He has smashed to pieces tanks like they were made of plastic toys. Has lifted the same boulder that was so big that he had to help She-Hulk lift. He has caught a huge helicopter in his hands falling from several stories, He has finger flicked trains cars over like they were nothing, etc. Many of these are class 100 feats or close. He has many many others that are beyond 15tons though. Spiderman vs firelord is the definition of pis.

Issue numbers, scans? anything?

Originally posted by h1a8
If we don't assign numbers to feats then we have to go by the handbooks. If we don't go by handbooks then we have to assign numbers to feats.

We do this so that we know what type of strength a character is dealing with (just in case they become real LOL). So that we have a good estimate to compare the strengths of two or more characters. Its been a rule or a long time now (and common sense) that FEATS prove who is stronger.

If we ONLY go off of which feat LOOKS better then that is not proof but opinion. With opinion there is nothing to debate about. Feats don't prove who is stronger actual comparisons do. You are wrong like always. Speculating about the weight of some object is hilarious and we argue based on the total sum history of their showings and how these characters are portrayed.

Originally posted by h1a8
I doubt if Thanos can do anything to a Gladiator whose confidence is through the roof. That Gladiator can possibly 1 or 2 shot Thanos. Proof?

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Thanos can tank the punches of a confidence through the roof Gladiator. You made the claim so therefore the burden of proof is on you. You are the worst.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Feats don't prove who is stronger actual comparisons do. You are wrong like always. Speculating about the weight of some object is hilarious and we argue based on the total sum history of their showings and how these characters are portrayed. Of course they do. It is illogical to go by Quanchi rules. Is Captain America stronger than a being who can lift tanks? If not, then by comparisons why does he win? Oh because of skill? Well then we can't say that since a character beat so and so then that character is stronger can we?
"Possibly" and "doubt" implies opinion, proof is not needed.
Iceman here first claimed that Thanos won't feel Gladiator's punches, so the burden is on him. I already shown the logic that a lesser Gladiator can smash REAL planets (ones with atmospheres) with a few punches. This proves that the Gladiator in this thread would 1-2 shot Thanos.

Originally posted by h1a8
I already shown the logic that a lesser Gladiator can smash REAL planets (ones with atmospheres) with a few punches. This proves that the Gladiator in this thread would 1-2 shot Thanos.

The BONK principle trumphs your weaksauce proof.

These two would beat Thanos into pudding, without having any collisions, mainly due to Glads speed.

Gladz would fly right into a stiff fist koing him

Not if he flies into Thanos before Thanos can raise his hand 2inches.
Even so what evidence supports that Thanos can even harm a confidence through the roof Gladiator?

Originally posted by h1a8
Not if he flies into Thanos before Thanos can raise his hand 2inches.
Even so what evidence supports that Thanos can even harm a confidence through the roof Gladiator? People are not reading the entire thread. They see the names and that's it they state there opinions for the favorite.

Originally posted by BattleMage
People are not reading the entire thread. They see the names and that's it they state there opinions for the favorite.

I believe the Glads in this thread solos but that's just me.

Hulk is a non factor here unless CIS is affecting Thanos.
You say that Hulk is getting madder (thus stronger) by the second. What is the rate? 1000tons per second?

Thanos' history proves he can one shot Gladz

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe the Glads in this thread solos but that's just me.

Hulk is a non factor here unless CIS is affecting Thanos.
You say that Hulk is getting madder (thus stronger) by the second. What is the rate? 1000tons per second? When i said he starts at 500 i mean 500,000. Because normal Hulk starts out at around 85-95.

Originally posted by Stoic
These two would beat Thanos into pudding, without having any collisions, mainly due to Glads speed. Based on which Gladiator fights?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on which Gladiator fights?

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe the Glads in this thread solos but that's just me.

Hulk is a non factor here unless CIS is affecting Thanos.
You say that Hulk is getting madder (thus stronger) by the second. What is the rate? 1000tons per second? Keep trollin' trollin' trollin' trollin' (x4)

Originally posted by BattleMage
I need examples of Glads dominating top tiers at least to even buy any of this cbr nonsense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I need examples of Glads dominating top tiers at least to even buy any of this cbr nonsense. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7924/gladsvsthor.jpg

Not 616 Glads, and he caught him off guard using a building.

Still no Thanos.

Originally posted by chomperx9
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7924/gladsvsthor.jpg Yes, he used a distraction to get the better of a confused holding back Thor. He didn't just use speed he had to throw something at him first showing he can't just run laps around Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he used a distraction to get the better of a confused holding back Thor. He didn't just use speed he had to throw something at him first showing he can't just run laps around Thor. why would thor be holding back

Originally posted by chomperx9
why would thor be holding back Because he was confused as to why Glads was trying to kill him. He even says later on I will hold back no longer and beats him with a few hits.

You didn't read the scans before? He has no clue why Gladz is vexed therefor he's holding back

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he was confused as to why Glads was trying to kill him. He even says later on I will hold back no longer and beats him with a few hits. even if he was holding back still shows glads strength>> thors durability.

and if someone is trying to kill you it would make more sense then to take serious action then to think hey why is this guy about to kill me.

LOL

Originally posted by chomperx9
even if he was holding back still shows glads strength>> thors durability.

and if someone is trying to kill you it would make more sense then to take serious action then to think hey why is this guy about to kill me. Wrong. Thor changed back into a human and that's the only reason Glads got the temporary upperhand. At the end o fthe comic Glads states he was too STRONG. Laughs.

u guys saying thor doesnt know why gladiator is trying to kill him ? well maybe gladiator is defending himself. Thor is the 1st one to attack. he hits Gladiator 1st so i wonder why glads is trying to kill him.

Originally posted by chomperx9
u guys saying thor doesnt know why gladiator is trying to kill him ? well maybe gladiator is defending himself. Thor is the 1st one to attack. he hits Gladiator 1st so i wonder why glads is trying to kill him. You didn't read the comic did you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't read the comic did you? ok i double checked and looked over it. my bad it was jake

Ignorance is bliss

Originally posted by iceman24567
Ignorance is bliss i said my bad. what else you want ?

Originally posted by chomperx9
ok i double checked and looked over it. my bad it was jake You are forgiven.

Originally posted by chomperx9
i said my bad. what else you want ? Your cornbread

Originally posted by iceman24567
Your cornbread take it

Originally posted by chomperx9
take it Give me your tater tots too sneer

Originally posted by iceman24567
Give me your tater tots too sneer wait till christmas

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on which Gladiator fights?
The fights against planets.

Originally posted by Blanket
Keep trollin' trollin' trollin' trollin' (x4)
You are the one trollin as you aren't supporting your implied claim of Thanos winning against this type of Glads. (notice I said THIS TYPE)

This Gladiator in this fight has never been potrayed in comics yet. If he is any amount greater than the Gladiator than crushes planets with his fists then Glads can possibly solo Thanos.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Give me your tater tots too sneer *ay