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The proctagonists from both the Mercenaries series and Just Cause do battle against Solid Snake, the legendary soldier.

Rules for all scenarios: they all have access to all their gear and weapons, minus those with mythical properties (Unlimited ammo bandanna for example). All weapons gain infinite ammo anyways, but require reloading when nessisary. nothing active (They must pull out their weapons/gadgets to start them up, so snake doesn't start out cloaked.)

Scenario #1: close quarters, the fight takes place in Metal Gear Rex's hangar, the mercenaries/rico at one end of the floor, and Snake at the other. No vehicles here, but all the barriers and debris is there.

Scenario #2: Fighting in the end's forest, same rules apply here, no vehicles, but Snake starts in Area #1, while the Mercs are in Area 2, and Rico in Area 3. Again, Snake must kill all 4 to clear the forest.

Scenario #3: Fight is in Venezuela, PMC/ Solano's Villa & surrounding area. Mercs/Rico start inside villa, and Snake starts on the driveway leading up to the gate, vehicles are available to both sides, including light/medium tanks. but no aircraft or boats.

Scenario #4: Fight is all of San Esperito. The big one, all vehicles from both Mercs 1 & 2 + Just Cause are available here, but Snake has access to Metal Gear Rex, completely repaired minus the Rail Nuke. Mercs Airstrikes all available minus Nuke Bunker Buster. Rico/Mercs start at the Provincia de la Cruz Safehouse, and Snake starts in the Costa Brava Military Base.

Let the bloodflow Commence!

*Bump*, Hmph! Everyone's too busy with all the FF vs debates to even make a post here...

*Bump*

I thought quite a huge number of peeps would say Snake pwns or something, but I get nothing...

Sorry man but I never played Mercenaries.

Yeah, but I know a few people have. And then theres Rico...

Is this Old Snake?

You can use any form of Solid Snake you choose

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You can use any form of Solid Snake you choose

Can you tell me or give me a link showing the type of weapons & gadgets the team can access since I'm clueless. Perhaps someone else will jump.

I think I'm going to use both versions because both of them have their pros and cons.

This looks like an interesting match.

Ergh! providing links from the PS3 is hard...

Mercenaries 1 has a weapon / vehicle listing at GameFAQs.

Unfortunately, Mercs 2 & Just Cause don't have a similar listing, I'll have to type it up using my Game Guides for references, but I'll have to do it on my main computer later.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ergh! providing links from the PS3 is hard...

Mercenaries 1 has a weapon / vehicle listing at GameFAQs.

Unfortunately, Mercs 2 & Just Cause don't have a similar listing, I'll have to type it up using my Game Guides for references, but I'll have to do it on my main computer later.


All right man.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
*Bump*, Hmph! Everyone's too busy with all the FF vs debates to even make a post here...

Did'nt you know if its not a FF related or whatever else thread don't bother making it

FF is the flavor of the week.

I just lost my appetite ...

The Mercenaries drop a nuke on Snake. The End.

Snake CQCs the nuke.

The OP clearly states no nukes on either side, and only scenario 4 has airstrikes/aircraft available anyways ...

why don't people read the entire OP beforehand ?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Snake CQCs the nuke.

Snake CQC'ed your brain.

Bumpinated, I'd love to see something in this thread...

I'll admit I haven't gotten a chance to play Mercenaries or Just Cause myself, but this seems like a well thought out thread. It would be a shame for it to just die due to lack of interest (****ing FF phags >.&gt.

Scenario one, I'm inclined to give it to the mercs. Even with camo, Snake's going to deal with a hail of bullets, and these guys aren't like the regular mooks; they know how to aim.

Scenario two, I give to Snake. He'd have better knowledge of the surrounding area, and he could utilize his camo to its fullest. He drops the mercs one by one a la Predator.

Scenario three, I'm at a toss up. I think with the vehicles, this could go either way, it just depends on who gets the drop on whom.

Scenario four, Snake in Rex stomps, in my opinion. There is a ton of firepower at Snake's command with it, even without the nukes.

Thanks for replying Xan.

Scenario#1 I'll agree there, even fully armed, SS can only shoot 1 weapon at a time..

Scenario#2 SS has back knowledge of that forest? I doubt it since he's never been there, Naked Snake / Big Boss has, but not Solid Snake...

Scenario#3 I think if Snake could pin them inside the building using the Railgun / missile / rocket launchers long enough to get a Jaguar Tank or Ballard Tank, he could win by bringing the building down on them.

Scenario#4 I dunno about that... the Airstrikes, and the ability to fly jets like the F10 Wraith tips the scale harshly... I don't think REX could even hit a speed demon like the Wraith...

Think nothing of it, I know what it's like to have a thread die because of lack of interest.

You're right on Scenario two, I had my Snakes mixed up there for a minute. Still, the forest offers a lot more stealth options for snake, and since he has access to the optic camo, I still see it going down in the same fashion. If I wanted to stretch it, I could claim that SS has genetic memory of the area, since he's all cloney of BB and stuff, but I won't go there.

That's assuming the mercs are going to be staying in the building in scenario three. I can understand them maybe wanting to fortify, but I think it's just as likely they'll be looking for some vehicles of their own to utilize. If SS is at the driveway, does that make him closer to any of them? Seems like whoever gets a set of wheels/tracks wins this round.

I think you might be underestimating Rex in scenario four. The big gun was obviously the rail nuke, but it still has access to a standard railgun, a pinpoint laser that can sweep across, and the radar dish will help Snake keep an eye on the air craft and just strafe them with rail.

Scenario#2 True, but that could go either way, especially in Jen's case, since she's the stealth & disguise type.

Scenario#3 With Snake starting at a T intersection of a main road and the incredibly long driveway, he can easily highjack any vehicle on the road (Sometimes light tanks use it like a UP light Mantis Tank). But the mercs could easily just hit the motorpool in the time it takes Snake to trudge a tank up that driveway, and the Medium Tanks are kept there... It would depend heavily on wether Snake could start shelling quickly enough to pin them.

Scenario#4 The Railgun being the only real weapon that could clip a jet (REX's missiles where purely AT types meaning they wouldn't be fast enough to hit a jet, and the laser's position means it can't angle high enough (Crotch Gun!) ) means it's going to be very tough to clip the Wraith... Fortunately, there's only one Wraith in the entire map, That leaves the rest with either 2nd best jets (1 Comet and 2 Fergusons) Or ground & naval units

So they do have a stealth specialist? That's good to know, but I highly doubt she's at Snake's level. I say 2 is Solidly Snake's (har har, puns)

What are the chances of Snake grabbing a faster vehicle and beating the mercs to the motorpool? Honestly, I see the mercs having an advantage in 3 because they seem proficient with a greater variety of vehicles. I'm assuming this is a Merc map, which means they'll have tactical knowledge over Snake as well.

So in 4, it comes down to whether or not Snake can drop the jets? 'Cause I honestly don't really see them having much a chance going ground against Rex. Naval units might be a bit of trouble, maybe...heh heh...crotch gun...

In Scenario 4, I'd play the mercs like this, one in the Wraith, one in either a Chumera, or a Hammerbolt, or an Ambassador (All helicopter Gunships), one in an AN Anihilator Supertank, (Picture a C&C Renegate Mammoth Tank with high speeds) and the last one in either a Chinese Dynasty Heavy Destroyer, or an AN Alamo class Missile Destroyer.

The Wraith can nitpick Rex, while the gunship can take potshots with Helfire Missiles and Hydra Rockets, the Tank can act as a spotter for the massive bombardment from the Destroyer, and it's goodbye REX/Snake

Didn't even need Airstrikes for that...

Here's a link to the debate at Spacebattles in case anyone is interested in alternative points of view.

Reviving this thread as due to the release of Just cause 2, Rico has got a lot more vehicles and feats to bring into the table. Anyone Interested in seeing how this would play out?

Nevermind.