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No mega spells from either side or oneshot weapons. Invasion type thread which I am known for. Bon Temps is 10 miles away from Hyrule. Every character from the show who can be physically affected. No spirits only but mediums and characters who can be harmed for both sides. No vague characters like Ifrit, etc. for both sides.


Notable True Blood characters

1. Russell Edgington
2. Bill(ith)
3. Marnie Stonebrook as Antonia's medium
4. Maryann Forrester
5. Godric
6. Faerie Elder
7. Claudine
8. Niall Brigant
9. Warlow
10. Authority


Notable Twilight Characters

1. Ganondorf
2. Link
3. Midna
4. Zelda
5. King Bulbin
6. Zant
7. Bo
8. Dangoro
9. Sages
10. Twilight Realm


Since True Blood is ongoing we can argue as it changes this season. We don't know much of anything about Warlow yet as an example.

Thinking back, that Ifrit plot really came out of nowhere. Cool, but random For the thread, two things:

Are your notable members list only that, and not the only participants in this thread?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Thinking back, that Ifrit plot really came out of nowhere. Cool, but random For the thread, two things:

Are your notable members list only that, and not the only participants in this thread? Every character save the ones who can't really be killed or were shown to be harmed physically. I just made a random list. What say you ?

I say awkward time to make the thread as we've just started season 6 and barely know anything about Warlow and Bill, the sides two strongest contenders. Three if we include Niall.


Btw, is this all known characters or every character on the planet? Never really clarified this in other mass war threads.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I say awkward time to make the thread as we've just started season 6 and barely know anything about Warlow and Bill, the sides two strongest contenders. Three if we include Niall.


Btw, is this all known characters or every character on the planet? Never really clarified this in other mass war threads. Just the ones we see. Not the entire planet. Keep Warlow out until he actually appears on the show. Niall and Billith so ar can be argued against with what we know.

All we know of Niall that he's likely strongest Faerie (or just royal?) though the Fae haven't given us too much to work with. With Bill we're getting some strength but nothing mentioned about any weaknesses yet. But alrighty, with the way things are going we should be getting weekly feats.

Originally posted by BloodRain
All we know of Niall that he's likely strongest Faerie (or just royal?) though the Fae haven't given us too much to work with. With Bill we're getting some strength but nothing mentioned about any weaknesses yet. But alrighty, with the way things are going we should be getting weekly feats. Bill is weak against the sun still. Niall seems very quick and very capable as a faerie. The Elder Faerie and Niall seem quite formidable.

Who do you think wins this thread now ?

This seems like a fun idea Quan :3

Are we using only current characters of true blood? No already dead characters like Godric? Also if it's a 'current' listing what if someone dies in the new season? Such as if Eric dies should we remove him from the thread?

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro
This seems like a fun idea Quan :3

Are we using only current characters of true blood? No already dead characters like Godric? Also if it's a 'current' listing what if someone dies in the new season? Such as if Eric dies should we remove him from the thread? No, all characters who have existed from the show or this game.

If we did current Dorf wouldn't be around nor would Zant, etc.


That is no fun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bill is weak against the sun still. Niall seems very quick and very capable as a faerie. The Elder Faerie and Niall seem quite formidable.

Who do you think wins this thread now ? Personally hoping that Niall is a league above the Elder, if he's to be much of a threat. Well kinda, the thing is I've had my doubts about that ever since Nora mentions that the "humans lead her into the sun" part was a mistranslation. Never know. That, fire and decapitation being the main three (wood stakes being off the table) we need to see.


Even if its hypothetically I'd like to know more about Bill first. If 1k aged Vamps are touching on supersonic reactions then 2k, 3k or at least 6k for Warlow should definitely have that movement speed, even a step above. By that Bill should definitely be faster. Its just right now all of this comes down to a 'sure, they should' because the best speed we have to go on is Eric's fluctuating reactions. The same with strength. We know it increases with age, its just all we're seeing is that one is somewhat above the other, and not anything showing the actual strength.
Its an issue for this thread as high tiers around Link's speed are supersonic (no not in your opinion, bare with me here for the sake of my point), so the 7 kiloVamps would be in this range to some level. Guys like Warlow and Bill could theoretically be faster than LoZ top tiers to a good degree, but we need to see this. Strength is currently shown to have mid-tier LoZ strength (like Shadow Beasts), even though again Warlow and Bill.. hell even Russell should be showing things a great amount higher than what we've seen.


(message dragged on a bit..)

Originally posted by BloodRain
Personally hoping that Niall is a league above the Elder, if he's to be much of a threat. Well kinda, the thing is I've had my doubts about that ever since Nora mentions that the "humans lead her into the sun" part was a mistranslation. Never know. That, fire and decapitation being the main three (wood stakes being off the table) we need to see.


Even if its hypothetically I'd like to know more about Bill first. If 1k aged Vamps are touching on supersonic reactions then 2k, 3k or at least 6k for Warlow should definitely have that movement speed, even a step above. By that Bill should definitely be faster. Its just right now all of this comes down to a 'sure, they should' because the best speed we have to go on is Eric's fluctuating reactions. The same with strength. We know it increases with age, its just all we're seeing is that one is somewhat above the other, and not anything showing the actual strength.
Its an issue for this thread as high tiers around Link's speed are supersonic (no not in your opinion, bare with me here for the sake of my point), so the 7 kiloVamps would be in this range to some level. Guys like Warlow and Bill could theoretically be faster than LoZ top tiers to a good degree, but we need to see this. Strength is currently shown to have mid-tier LoZ strength (like Shadow Beasts), even though again Warlow and Bill.. hell even Russell should be showing things a great amount higher than what we've seen.


(message dragged on a bit..) The Elder was a threat obviously since she was greater than Claudine who effectively bfr'd Warlow. Russell just capitalized and was too quick and clever here. She hit Jason due to Russell and he used his speed to run past her and bite her. The Elder also easily showed reflexes to tag Newlin's blitz tactic.

Russell showed he was stronger than any other Tb vamp in direct comparison. You are a feat monger. Direct comparisons are best indicators of strength amongst characters.

We have already seen Tb vamps considerably faster than any Loz characters. We don't need to see it in every scene as you'd lose the audience.

So you accept that Link overpowers multiple class 100+ enemies and characters through out TP, and thus he's class 100+, yes?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you accept that Link overpowers multiple class 100+ enemies and characters through out TP, and thus he's class 100+, yes? Link isn't stronger than any of them and needs gear in order to do so. Russell was stronger than them. Flat out stated. Link is strong enough with gear to contend.

Huge diff.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Elder was a threat obviously since she was greater than Claudine who effectively bfr'd Warlow. Russell just capitalized and was too quick and clever here. She hit Jason due to Russell and he used his speed to run past her and bite her. The Elder also easily showed reflexes to tag Newlin's blitz tactic.

Russell showed he was stronger than any other Tb vamp in direct comparison. You are a feat monger. Direct comparisons are best indicators of strength amongst characters.

We have already seen Tb vamps considerably faster than any Loz characters. We don't need to see it in every scene as you'd lose the audience.

Oh no no I mean as in a vs thread threat, I'm waiting for him to pull off impressive things.


And what does that mean? Example: Steve lifts up 1 ton, and you are stronger than Steve. Can you lift 1.5 tons? 2 tons? 5 tons? We don't know, all we know is that you're stronger than 1 ton Steve. Older Vamps are stronger and faster, but without knowing by how much until they show us.. until then all we're left with is the Steve example.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link isn't stronger than any of them and needs gear in order to do so. Russell was stronger than them. Flat out stated. Link is strong enough with gear to contend.

Huge diff. Do the boots make him stronger?

Also note he didn't wear them when matching Ganondorf. You know, the strongest opponent in the game.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Oh no no I mean as in a vs thread threat, I'm waiting for him to pull off impressive things.


And what does that mean? Example: Steve lifts up 1 ton, and you are stronger than Steve. Can you lift 1.5 tons? 2 tons? 5 tons? We don't know, all we know is that you're stronger than 1 ton Steve. Older Vamps are stronger and faster, but without knowing by how much until they show us.. until then all we're left with is the Steve example. Elder Faerie is still impressive in versus threads.

Russell is so much stronger you can combine their strength and it still was not enough in a room of Eric Northman, Salome, Nora, Bill, etc.

You are hung on up on the math.

Nope.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Elder Faerie is still impressive in versus threads.
Russell is so much stronger you can combine their strength and it still was not enough in a room of Eric Northman, Salome, Nora, Bill, etc.
You are hung on up on the math.
Nope.
Not really. They're physically human with mind reading and light blasts, blasts which can fling humans around but are not fatal (Jason too a direct hit from her intended to kill Russ and was fine not long after).

Yeah okay, so Russell is stronger than other vamps.. just like you're stronger than Steve. I literally just said that.

Without a lil math all we're left with is you stating that scenes where humans tracked Eric's speed is somehow supersonic :T




Edit: Main point; All we have to go on is the best we've seen. And so far we have nothing for top tiers.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not really. They're physically human with mind reading and light blasts, blasts which can fling humans around but are not fatal (Jason too a direct hit from her intended to kill Russ and was fine not long after).

Yeah okay, so Russell is stronger than other vamps.. just like you're stronger than Steve. I literally just said that.

Without a lil math all we're left with is you stating that scenes where humans tracked Eric's speed is somehow supersonic :T




Edit: Main point; All we have to go on is the best we've seen. And so far we have nothing for top tiers. It was intended to send the vampire to another realm not a human. She showed herself to have great reflexes when she tagged Newlin.


Russell was vastly stronger than the other vamps even combining their strength so there goes your one more pound theory.

Fast speed.


Who wins ?

Right, he only overpowers each of them. haermm

Ganondorf kills them all with Twilight magic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was intended to send the vampire to another realm not a human. She showed herself to have great reflexes when she tagged Newlin.

Russell was vastly stronger than the other vamps even combining their strength so there goes your one more pound theory.

Fast speed.

Who wins ? Why does the body matter when the powers can work on humans too? If that was the case though, has a Fae done greater harm to a human? When I referenced this scene for how slow they were, you stated that they were slower because the air made them high and such. Newlin was the slowest vamp at that point, add to the drunkenness and we're not left with much. If she's faster than a human, it wouldn't be by much from this.

You're reiterating the same point, the Steve one. He is/you are somewhat stronger than vampires/Steve.

So fast humans can follow his movement?


I'd rather wait until Bill and Warlow show us some more. This season is full of potential high-class feats, maybe even some solid bullet feats. Its unlikely they will be hitting high-tier TP, but those two will make the main challenge.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Why does the body matter when the powers can work on humans too? If that was the case though, has a Fae done greater harm to a human? When I referenced this scene for how slow they were, you stated that they were slower because the air made them high and such. Newlin was the slowest vamp at that point, add to the drunkenness and we're not left with much. If she's faster than a human, it wouldn't be by much from this.

You're reiterating the same point, the Steve one. He is/you are somewhat stronger than vampires/Steve.

So fast humans can follow his movement?


I'd rather wait until Bill and Warlow show us some more. This season is full of potential high-class feats, maybe even some solid bullet feats. Its unlikely they will be hitting high-tier TP, but those two will make the main challenge. A ko is enough to win and both guys she hit were ko'd.

We see her reflexes and what not fast enough to easily tag him while watching Russell. Newlin was also fine at the time.

I could care less about your feat only debating practices. It's an awful,way to debate.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Right, he only overpowers each of them. haermm Due to the increased weight just like Bo.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ganondorf kills them all with Twilight magic. Laughable. Marnie Stonebrook controls Ganondorf.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to the increased weight just like Bo. Boots don't make him stronger, and he doesn't wear them when he fights the most physically imposing enemy in the game: Ganondorf.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Boots don't make him stronger, and he doesn't wear them when he fights the most physically imposing enemy in the game: Ganondorf. He needs the weight because his girlie weight can't contend with them.

Russell slaps his head off before Ganondeof can scream, "see you next adventure."

Originally posted by quanchi112
He needs the weight because his girlie weight can't contend with them.

Russell slaps his head off before Ganondeof can scream, "see you next adventure."
So you acknowledge the boots do not make Link stronger, and he is physically more powerful than multiple class 100+ characters. Good.

Russell is too slow and too weak to harm him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you acknowledge the boots do not make Link stronger, and he is physically more powerful than multiple class 100+ characters. Good.

Russell is too slow and too weak to harm him. I never said they did I said they are the feat possible. He is not class 100. Not even close.

Goats, horses, Zant, Bulbins henchmen ko'd him.

Russell one shots him.

He is stronger than class 100s. That makes him class 100. Derp.

So you have nothing. Lol'd. Zant can't polymorph Link with the Master Sword, and Link can tank an axe to the face from King Bulbin, you have no argument against end game Link whatsoever.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He is stronger than class 100s. That makes him class 100. Derp.

So you have nothing. Lol'd. Zant can't polymorph Link with the Master Sword, and Link can tank an axe to the face from King Bulbin, you have no argument against end game Link whatsoever.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. No, he isn't. You can believe the sky is red but it does not make it true.


He does not change. Canon where he gets wtf owned by Bulbins weakling underlings.

Russell slaps his head off since lackeys drum him out.

So you have no counter. Good. Link is stronger than class 100's.

The game tells us he changes and shows us his change, while explicitly making note of said change.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you have no counter. Good. Link is stronger than class 100's.

The game tells us he changes and shows us his change, while explicitly making note of said change.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. You need to prove it.

We see him not change physically. He gets slightly stronger but also gets beaten down the road too as well as needs Midna's help throughout.

Russell slaps his head off since canonically Lackeys crush him.

Link overpower's several class 100's in TP. There, proven.

So you have no argument, other than "Link got polymorphed, that proves he didn't become stronger"? Cute, but wrong.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link overpower's several class 100's in TP. There, proven.

So you have no argument, other than "Link got polymorphed, that proves he didn't become stronger"? Cute, but wrong.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. You just backed up one baseless claim with another.

Link was also physically beaten.


Russell kills a guy Bulbins men took out like the trash.

So now you're going to deny that any character Link showed physical superiority or comparability to is as strong as they actually are? Lol.

Name one time Link was physically bested after becoming super human.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So now you're going to deny that any character Link showed physical superiority or comparability to is as strong as they actually are? Lol.

Name one time Link was physically bested after becoming super human.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link. He needed gear and also did feats Bo also did. Not impressive.

He was always superhuman. Bulbins men drummed him. Canon.

Russell kills him since weak henchmen assaulted him. Awful showing.

So you have no argument against the fact that Link showed himself to be physically stronger than his opponents? Good.

So you're going to lowball beginning of the game Link and ignore early, mid, and late game Link's feats? Cute, but wrong. Link showed multiple times his durability improved, you don't get to ignore that because all of those instances are canon, as are the in game statements of his growing power.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you have no argument against the fact that Link showed himself to be physically stronger than his opponents? Good.

So you're going to lowball beginning of the game Link and ignore early, mid, and late game Link's feats? Cute, but wrong. Link showed multiple times his durability improved, you don't get to ignore that because all of those instances are canon, as are the in game statements of his growing power.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link. Due to gear which Bo also replicated.

I am citing canon evidence. You ignore it all because you are mad Hes weak.


No, he did not.

Russell slaps his head off since Link can be hurt and was canonically ko'd by weak opponent.

Which makes Bo superhuman, lol. Normal men cannot outwrestled Gorons just by wearing 35 ton a piece shoes.

I'm citing canon evidence that's actually relevant, you're lowballing with an early game instance from before Link gained his power. Herp.

Link became more powerful, the game shows it to us and tells us it's happening.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.

Good point. Both link and bo can manhandle vampires. We shouldn't leave him out.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Good point. Both link and bo can manhandle vampires. We shouldn't leave him out. No, they can't. You can believe so. I don't discriminate against the crazy.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Which makes Bo superhuman, lol. Normal men cannot outwrestled Gorons just by wearing 35 ton a piece shoes.

I'm citing canon evidence that's actually relevant, you're lowballing with an early game instance from before Link gained his power. Herp.

Link became more powerful, the game shows it to us and tells us it's happening.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link. I never said he wasn't but unlike Link Russell does not need to increase his weight. He's a beast on his own.

I am citing canon evidence.

His durability does not increase as his muscular density does not change at all.


Russell kills him faster than Bulbins men ko'd him.

A. Gorons can punch several ton objects long distances.
B. Bo can overpower gorons with a little added weight.
C. Bo can overpower vampires.
Logic is magic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he wasn't but unlike Link Russell does not need to increase his weight. He's a beast on his own.

I am citing canon evidence.

His durability does not increase as his muscular density does not change at all.


Russell kills him faster than Bulbins men ko'd him.
No vamp can even lift one of the Iron Boots. haermm

Russell would be thrown around like a ragdoll by Gorons, even with the boots.

I'm citing canon evidence that's actually relevant, you're lowballing with an early game instance from before Link gained his power. Herp.

Link became more powerful, the game shows it to us and tells us it's happening.

Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
A. Gorons can punch several ton objects long distances.
B. Bo can overpower gorons with a little added weight.
C. Bo can overpower vampires.
Logic is magic. That isn't a little added weight.

No, he can't since Gorons never overpower vampires nor do Link or Bo.


Vampires are very fast and kill the Gorons before the simpletons know what hit them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't a little added weight.

No, he can't since Gorons never overpower vampires nor do Link or Bo.


Vampires are very fast and kill the Gorons before the simpletons know what hit them.
A Goron was blown from the top of Death Mountain to the bottom in a volcanic explosion, and surrounded in lava in the process. This did him little to no harm whatsoever. No vampire is hurting a Goron.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A Goron was blown from the top of Death Mountain to the bottom in a volcanic explosion, and surrounded in lava in the process. This did him little to no harm whatsoever. No vampire is hurting a Goron. He can also be harmed by swords. Just because he can eat rocks and his skin can survive lava does not mean he can survive any amount of damage or strength.

Vampires easily kill them. Flesh and all.

You left out the volcanic explosion. The only time we see a Goron even feel a sword it's in the hands of Link, a class 100 Superhuman.

Vampires aren't strong enough.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You left out the volcanic explosion. The only time we see a Goron even feel a sword it's in the hands of Link, a class 100 Superhuman.

Vampires aren't strong enough. No, he isn't. Volcanic explosion doesn't mean he's invulnerable.

They are strong enough to rip through that flesh to tear out vital organs.

Link has many class 100+ feats, he's class 100+. The explosion proves he's invulnerable to a sub class 5 weakling like Russell.

In weak and frail characters, not Gorons. Gorons would shrug off the best of the TBverse.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link has many class 100+ feats, he's class 100+. The explosion proves he's invulnerable to a sub class 5 weakling like Russell.

In weak and frail characters, not Gorons. Gorons would shrug off the best of the TBverse. Wrong as we see Bulbins men drum him out,

No, they wouldn't just like they can't beat older shitty weak mayors who weigh boots. Vamps would dance all over these slow fools and easily cut into their flesh.


They can glamour them also and have them at their bidding.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A ko is enough to win and both guys she hit were ko'd. We see her reflexes and what not fast enough to easily tag him while watching Russell. Newlin was also fine at the time.

I could care less about your feat only debating practices. It's an awful,way to debate. Yeah, the humans with their human durability or vamps with their light weakness. Point is they would have trouble with anything above a normal human. Newlin who you you've stated was in a drunk-like state from merely being in the air was perfectly fine when confronted with the alcohol releasing Fae he was seeking?


Lets use your style of debate then: Tell me exactly how Bill and Warlow will fair in this thread? Remembering to include their strengths and weaknesses in your response. Tell me exactly what they can and can't do before we see any feats from them.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah, the humans with their human durability or vamps with their light weakness. Point is they would have trouble with anything above a normal human. Newlin who you you've stated was in a drunk-like state from merely being in the air was perfectly fine when confronted with the alcohol releasing Fae he was seeking?


Lets use your style of debate then: Tell me exactly how Bill and Warlow will fair in this thread? Remembering to include their strengths and weaknesses in your response. Tell me exactly what they can and can't do before we see any feats from them. Still ko's them.

Newlin blitzed her and was repelled.

You mean fare. I don't know about Warlow yet since we haven't seen him or if we have we don't know it yet. Billith can survive stakes and can use tk and is very strong due to new blood.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong as we see Bulbins men drum him out,

No, they wouldn't just like they can't beat older shitty weak mayors who weigh boots. Vamps would dance all over these slow fools and easily cut into their flesh.


They can glamour them also and have them at their bidding.
Citing an unrelated showing that is not even relevant to end game Link doesn't disprove Link's consistent feats through out TP. Deal with it.

Bo is superhuman.

Hard to glamour someone when you're being crushed to death by the manliest hug in history.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Still ko's them. Newlin blitzed her and was repelled.

You mean fare. I don't know about Warlow yet since we haven't seen him or if we have we don't know it yet. Billith can survive stakes and can use tk and is very strong due to new blood. Yes, only humans. Thats the point.

Not by your own word. Drunken state slowed the slowest vampire at the time down.


You didn't tell me the strengths, weaknesses, what he can or can't do. And just like with Warlow, you can't until we see feats from him. The same reason I can't say much on them.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yes, only humans. Thats the point.

Not by your own word. Drunken state slowed the slowest vampire at the time down.


You didn't tell me the strengths, weaknesses, what he can or can't do. And just like with Warlow, you can't until we see feats from him. The same reason I can't say much on them. No, vampires too.

No, he was just really hungry for faerie blood due to the smell. We see their speed all over the field. He hasn't drank faerie blood only smelled it.

We see Billiths strengths thus far as he can survive being stake and can use tk along with being incredibly strong and fast.


I said we have to wait and see.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Citing an unrelated showing that is not even relevant to end game Link doesn't disprove Link's consistent feats through out TP. Deal with it.

Bo is superhuman.

Hard to glamour someone when you're being crushed to death by the manliest hug in history. It's canon.

He isn't impressive but can definitely overpower weak Gorons with boots on.

Far too slow to ever tag a vampire.

To beginning of the game Link, context is important here. End game Link is much more physically durable.

Gorons are class 100stone giants who tank volcanic explosions, lol@weak.

They have all godamn day to do it since the vampire can't hurt them, speed is basically moot against a target they can't harm. Oh, and humans have tagged vampires, Gorons will have little trouble. Not that they're even relevant since Ganon solos by flicking the Sun's 'on' switch and dropping a Twilight field. haermm

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
To beginning of the game Link, context is important here. End game Link is much more physically durable.

Gorons are class 100stone giants who tank volcanic explosions, lol@weak.

They have all godamn day to do it since the vampire can't hurt them, speed is basically moot against a target they can't harm. Oh, and humans have tagged vampires, Gorons will have little trouble. Not that they're even relevant since Ganon solos by flicking the Sun's 'on' switch and dropping a Twilight field. haermm No, he isn't.

Wrong. Bo and Link overpower these guys. Swords hurt them. Vamps crush them.

Prove they cannot hurt them. They can also glamour them.

Humans have modern day weapons and aren't slow idiots like Gorons.

Then bo and link are above class 100. If you can't prove gorons are weak, then we must assume bo and link are strong.

Game > You. It tells us about, and shows us, Link's growing power.

Link and Bo are both much stronger than vampires, the only time we see a Goron even feel a sword is in the hands of Link, and that creates sparks.

Hard to glamour someone while you're trying desperately not to be crushed to death. Vampires < Volcanic explosions.

Gorons aren't slow idiots, and against this is all irrelevant since Ganon soloes. You neglected to mention how TB counters permasunlight and a twilight field.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Game > You. It tells us about, and shows us, Link's growing power.

Link and Bo are both much stronger than vampires, the only time we see a Goron even feel a sword is in the hands of Link, and that creates sparks.

Hard to glamour someone while you're trying desperately not to be crushed to death. Vampires < Volcanic explosions.

Gorons aren't slow idiots, and against this is all irrelevant since Ganon soloes. You neglected to mention how TB counters permasunlight and a twilight field. It shows us he was ko'd and that his gear and skills have increased.


No, they aren't as they can't rip out hearts, spines, etc.

They also need gear.


False. Vampires can dance around them all day long. Hilarious.


Yes, they are.

Marnie controls him so you believe he solos Hyrule.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Then bo and link are above class 100. If you can't prove gorons are weak, then we must assume bo and link are strong. They just need to wear boots to neutralize weight advantage. That is all the Gorons have in their favor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows us he was ko'd and that his gear and skills have increased.


No, they aren't as they can't rip out hearts, spines, etc.

They also need gear.


False. Vampires can dance around them all day long. Hilarious.


Yes, they are.

Marnie controls him so you believe he solos Hyrule.


It goes on to show us Link tanking massive amounts of force without being harmed, and tells us he's becoming more powerful.

Yes they can. If they're even comparable to creatures like Gorons they're strong enough to reduce an entire human body to paste with ease. haermm

Boots don't make them stronger.

Vamps have been caught by humans, a Goron will get them eventually, likely after the vamps break their hands trying to attack them.

Marnie can't control him because he's not a vampire and he has the ToP.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It goes on to show us Link tanking massive amounts of force without being harmed, and tells us he's becoming more powerful.

Yes they can. If they're even comparable to creatures like Gorons they're strong enough to reduce an entire human body to paste with ease. haermm

Boots don't make them stronger.

Vamps have been caught by humans, a Goron will get them eventually, likely after the vamps break their hands trying to attack them.

Marnie can't control him because he's not a vampire and he has the ToP. You are twisting it up and trying to ignore canon feats. His durability does not chat anyways.

Prove it with an example.

Boots make it possible.


You are ignoring the context and forgetting they have modern day weapons.

They also have guns in here which destroy the Gorons flesh.

Marnie controls the dead it isn't vampire specific. Marnie controls Dorf.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are twisting it up and trying to ignore canon feats. His durability does not chat anyways.

Prove it with an example.

Boots make it possible.


You are ignoring the context and forgetting they have modern day weapons.

They also have guns in here which destroy the Gorons flesh.

Marnie controls the dead it isn't vampire specific. Marnie controls Dorf.
No, you're ignoring everything past 5 minutes into the game to try and suit your stance because you know that by feats TP crushes TB.

Okay, here's an example. Darbus, who Link is stronger than, smashes a tunnel through solid stone with his bare fists.

And have nothing to do with Link's strength.

Modern day weapons, aimed by humans with human reaction time.

Guns are > volcanic explosions now?

Ganondorf isn't dead. This is kind of a plot point.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, you're ignoring everything past 5 minutes into the game to try and suit your stance because you know that by feats TP crushes TB.

Okay, here's an example. Darbus, who Link is stronger than, smashes a tunnel through solid stone with his bare fists.

And have nothing to do with Link's strength.

Modern day weapons, aimed by humans with human reaction time.

Guns are > volcanic explosions now?

Ganondorf isn't dead. This is kind of a plot point. Wrong. I didn't ignore anything.


Link wins the conflict but he doesn't prove he's stronger than him.

Wrong.

Vampires use guns as well. You obviously didn't watch the show.

Just because they can survive lava doesn't mean bullets can't pierce their skin.

Dorkdorf is undead therefore Marnie controls him.

That's funny, most of this thread is you ignoring points you dislike.

Link wins direct contests of strength.

Wearing heavy shoes doesn't make you stronger.

You're ignoring my point, humans with human reaction time, and aim speed, tag vampires.

Not lava, explosions. With flying shards of rock and pressure waves and lava that sends them from inside Death Mountain to the base of said mountain.

Dorf has too much magical resistance, even if he were undead, he's not. Stop making shit up.

What about that goron who ended up in zora's domain. He got tossed farther and shows gorons can either hold their breathe for long periods of time or breathe under water.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, vampires too.
No, he was just really hungry for faerie blood due to the smell. We see their speed all over the field. He hasn't drank faerie blood only smelled it.
We see Billiths strengths thus far as he can survive being stake and can use tk along with being incredibly strong and fast.

I said we have to wait and see. Who are painfully weak against the light. KOing humans is all we've seen from it not hitting someone weak to the sun.

Just being in the field caused them to drunkenly run around at not so fast speeds. Being presented with the desired fruit would not have changed things. They weren't running fast because of this. Its still the slowest vampire under some sort of influence. At best we can say the Elder's reactions are just over peak human.


Sunlight, silver, fire, how to kill. And if you're going to wait too, don't moan when I say I'd rather wait until we see more about Bill and Warlow.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That's funny, most of this thread is you ignoring points you dislike.

Link wins direct contests of strength.

Wearing heavy shoes doesn't make you stronger.

You're ignoring my point, humans with human reaction time, and aim speed, tag vampires.

Not lava, explosions. With flying shards of rock and pressure waves and lava that sends them from inside Death Mountain to the base of said mountain.

Dorf has too much magical resistance, even if he were undead, he's not. Stop making shit up. Link has the necessary weight in order to do so. That isn't him doing it in his own.

It makes you weigh more which Link needs.

Not when they are using their speed. Key point, sport.

They can still be hurt by physical force and blades. TB characters also use modern day weaponry. Bullets>>flesh.

He is undead. I backed my claim. Marnie uses him. True Blood rapes him ten times over.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
What about that goron who ended up in zora's domain. He got tossed farther and shows gorons can either hold their breathe for long periods of time or breathe under water. And your point ?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Who are painfully weak against the light. KOing humans is all we've seen from it not hitting someone weak to the sun.

Just being in the field caused them to drunkenly run around at not so fast speeds. Being presented with the desired fruit would not have changed things. They weren't running fast because of this. Its still the slowest vampire under some sort of influence. At best we can say the Elder's reactions are just over peak human.


Sunlight, silver, fire, how to kill. And if you're going to wait too, don't moan when I say I'd rather wait until we see more about Bill and Warlow. Thats a ridiculous theory just recently unproven. We see it ko a really old faerie. Acting like it just works on humans and vampires is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard.

They wanted to feed. That's all. Russell fed whereas Newlin was tagged. Bottom line. She showed the reflexes to easily tag Newlin. Russell isn't stupid and was clever.

Far faster since she tagged him mid blitz easily.



Billith can use tk and now we know Warlow has no known weaknesses yet since he's a hybrid. It's also painfully obvious with the modern weaponry they'd rape Hyrule ten times over despite this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link has the necessary weight in order to do so. That isn't him doing it in his own.

It makes you weigh more which Link needs.

Not when they are using their speed. Key point, sport.

They can still be hurt by physical force and blades. TB characters also use modern day weaponry. Bullets>>flesh.

He is undead. I backed my claim. Marnie uses him. True Blood rapes him ten times over.
Put cement shoes on, arm wrestle someone stronger than you, do the boots make you strong enough to win, or just make you comparably heavy?

Okay, so he needs comparable weight to not be pushed around by a Goron even though he's stronger. That's how physics works.

So vampires lose their speed when they're not running fast? Lol.

Good thing volcanic explosions > bullets and Gorons aren't made out of flesh. haermm

Prove Dorf's undead. Not dying does not make you undead, shit dying and coming back doesn't even make you undead. Even if Ganon were undead, he's too magically resistant, so what's your plan?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Put cement shoes on, arm wrestle someone stronger than you, do the boots make you strong enough to win, or just make you comparably heavy?

Okay, so he needs comparable weight to not be pushed around by a Goron even though he's stronger. That's how physics works.

So vampires lose their speed when they're not running fast? Lol.

Good thing volcanic explosions > bullets and Gorons aren't made out of flesh. haermm

Prove Dorf's undead. Not dying does not make you undead, shit dying and coming back doesn't even make you undead. Even if Ganon were undead, he's too magically resistant, so what's your plan? The game makes no sense but it is clear he needs the boots to contend. Canon.

Russell did not need to weigh more to stop a car.


Yes, they are made up of flesh and rock. Volcanic explosions >>swords. Make some sense already.


Magic is keeping him alive with a hole in him.

She controls the undead. He's her play thing. She uses him against Link but we both know Link crushes him again. Same old. TB crushes though.

So you're argument is basically that because you don't understand physics they're invalid. Hah.

Good for him, he's not strong enough to hurt Link or Ganon.

What are you arguing here? We never see a Goron seriously injured in the entirety of TP.

That doesn't make him undead, it just means a hole in his chest doesn't bother him.

So she controls vampires with no resistance, and Ganondorf is neither a vampire of without resistance, and she's completely ****ed. Good.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you're argument is basically that because you don't understand physics they're invalid. Hah.

Good for him, he's not strong enough to hurt Link or Ganon.

What are you arguing here? We never see a Goron seriously injured in the entirety of TP.

That doesn't make him undead, it just means a hole in his chest doesn't bother him.

So she controls vampires with no resistance, and Ganondorf is neither a vampire of without resistance, and she's completely ****ed. Good. My argument is that in fiction things don't need to make sense. Russell doesn't need weight and is strong enough on his own unlike Link.

Stronger. Goes through skin like a knife through butter.

So now you're claiming swords and nothing can harm him ? Wow.

Yes, it does since magic is keeping him alive. Undead.

She alone had the power to do so. Vamps can't just be controlled just by her. Dorf is controlled.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My argument is that in fiction things don't need to make sense. Russell doesn't need weight and is strong enough on his own unlike Link.

Stronger. Goes through skin like a knife through butter.

So now you're claiming swords and nothing can harm him ? Wow.

Yes, it does since magic is keeping him alive. Undead.

She alone had the power to do so. Vamps can't just be controlled just by her. Dorf is controlled.
So when things in fiction do make sense it's invalid because some writers don't make sense? Lel.

No feats suggest he can hurt either Ganon or Link, Ganon makes the day last forever, Russell cries.

I certainly know that it'd take a great deal of force to harm a Goron.

So you have nothing that actually supports Ganon being undead? He's hard to kill, this isn't news.

No, she got that power from Antonia, and Antonia still has nothing on the ToP. Dorf is not undead and he has the ToP, so lol.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So when things in fiction do make sense it's invalid because some writers don't make sense? Lel.

No feats suggest he can hurt either Ganon or Link, Ganon makes the day last forever, Russell cries.

I certainly know that it'd take a great deal of force to harm a Goron.

So you have nothing that actually supports Ganon being undead? He's hard to kill, this isn't news.

No, she got that power from Antonia, and Antonia still has nothing on the ToP. Dorf is not undead and he has the ToP, so lol. In fiction things don't need to add all up like in reality. You pick and choose when to apply real world logic.

Rips right into their flesh. Russell drains him of his blood. Glorious.

Yes, I just explained it. Love in denial.

Worked together and she had power over the dead. Dorf is her *****.

Lol we still on the Dorf is a zombie thing?

Originally posted by quanchi112
In fiction things don't need to add all up like in reality. You pick and choose when to apply real world logic.

Rips right into their flesh. Russell drains him of his blood. Glorious.

Yes, I just explained it. Love in denial.

Worked together and she had power over the dead. Dorf is her *****.
So again, your entire argument is that 'things don't need to make sense, so I ignore when they do!'

Feats or gtfo.

So Thor's undead, too, right? Because he's been impaled through the chest but been kept alive.

Dorf's not dead, Dorf's too powerful for her. Eternal day, and a cold flash for the witch.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So again, your entire argument is that 'things don't need to make sense, so I ignore when they do!'

Feats or gtfo.

So Thor's undead, too, right? Because he's been impaled through the chest but been kept alive.

Dorf's not dead, Dorf's too powerful for her. Eternal day, and a cold flash for the witch. If you think everything in a fictional setting always makes sense you're silly.

Already done so.

His wounds were healed and not the same bro.

Yes, he's currently standing around dead. Marnie uses him. She can also make him forget who he is.

That's not what I said. I said you're ignoring instances that do make sense to fit your bias.

No feat supplied lets him harm them.

Same idea, bro, having a hole in his chest doesn't kill Thor, and it doesn't kill Ganon either. Notably neither are vampires.

Not without much better feats than she has, and the ability to effect the living, she can't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats a ridiculous theory just recently unproven. We see it ko a really old faerie. Acting like it just works on humans and vampires is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard.
They wanted to feed. That's all. Russell fed whereas Newlin was tagged. Bottom line. She showed the reflexes to easily tag Newlin. Russell isn't stupid and was clever. Far faster since she tagged him mid blitz easily.


Billith can use tk and now we know Warlow has no known weaknesses yet since he's a hybrid. It's also painfully obvious with the modern weaponry they'd rape Hyrule ten times over despite this. Barring recent evidence, do say where the absurdity lies when the single thing it did was defeat a human? Cool, now tell me how tough old Fae are.

Contradicting your old words? When entering as soon as they get a whiff they start doing the quarter-stumble walk you see in tipsy people, Steve is even spinning around jumping and clasping at the air. That and both of them aimlessly running back and forth in the field, they were obviously not completely sober. Add the slowest vamp with the tipsy walk we saw, and the Fae's reactions are low superhuman.


Sunlight, silver, fire, how to kill for Bill.. still would prefer to know more about his inner workings before we make the what can and can't kill him theories.

Someone's going to need to explain to me this whole undead Ganondorf thing, because it sounds like a lot of nonsense. The Triforce of Power grants Ganondorf immortality after reviving him. He is fully alive.

Hmm, Voldemort is kept alive by magic, and he dies when his final horcrux is destroyed. Is he undead?


Now, on this Marnie person. Everyone is aware of what the Fused Shadows are, yes? Powerful dark artifacts that, when touched, transform and take over a character's mind?

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/ganonfusedshadow_zps39ee468f.png

Wow, isn't that Ganondorf totally not having his mind taken over?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That's not what I said. I said you're ignoring instances that do make sense to fit your bias.

No feat supplied lets him harm them.

Same idea, bro, having a hole in his chest doesn't kill Thor, and it doesn't kill Ganon either. Notably neither are vampires.

Not without much better feats than she has, and the ability to effect the living, she can't. What have I ignored ?

Yes, I have supplied enough.

It was a fatal wound but he only survived due to Top magic. Once he lost the power he died.

She has dominion over the dead, Ganondorf. Sorry, bro. He is taken over.

Everything that happens after 5 minutes into the game.

No, the feats you have supplied do not put Russell in K.Bulbin's strength bracket, and K.Bulbin could not hurt Link with an axe.

So, he didn't die from the wound, and therefore is not undead.

Ganondorf isn't dead, and her dominion is far from absolute, lol. He's too magically resistant anyway.

Eternal sunshine plus some cold for the witches.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Barring recent evidence, do say where the absurdity lies when the single thing it did was defeat a human? Cool, now tell me how tough old Fae are.

Contradicting your old words? When entering as soon as they get a whiff they start doing the quarter-stumble walk you see in tipsy people, Steve is even spinning around jumping and clasping at the air. That and both of them aimlessly running back and forth in the field, they were obviously not completely sober. Add the slowest vamp with the tipsy walk we saw, and the Fae's reactions are low superhuman.


Sunlight, silver, fire, how to kill for Bill.. still would prefer to know more about his inner workings before we make the what can and can't kill him theories. Weve seen faeries ko'd prior to by faeries. They are stronger than people. We've also seen it faze Maryann though not much but she was almost invincible until she lowered her magical guard.

They only act that way when they ingest it. What planet are you from where you walk into a bar and can't think straight being in the vicinity.

Newlin was fine and got wtf owned.

Sunlight does but we don't know if silver works yet iirc. All we know is sunlight since being staked has no effect.

Warlow is going to be tough to kill IMO. No vampire weaknesses which is only reason anyone stands a chance against them in TB as it is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What have I ignored ?

Physics? I dunno, Russell's car feat is still much less than what Link is shown to output.



While you have supplied several feats, which is very good please keep that up, those feats are unfortunately not enough to harm anyone of notable durability such as Ganon or Link. Tipping the car is simply weaker than King Bulblin, and cannot hold a canle to Link getting fired out of a cannon into he ground.



Yes, it was a fatal wound and yes, the Triforce of Power revived him. Neither of these means Ganondorf is undead. In fact, your use of the word survived implied Ganondorf is still alive.



Again, the Fused Shadows have shown the ability to take over minds and Ganondorf is immune to that. Marnie's mental ability is no different.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Physics? I dunno, Russell's car feat is still much less than what Link is shown to output.



While you have supplied several feats, which is very good please keep that up, those feats are unfortunately not enough to harm anyone of notable durability such as Ganon or Link. Tipping the car is simply weaker than King Bulblin, and cannot hold a canle to Link getting fired out of a cannon into he ground.



Yes, it was a fatal wound and yes, the Triforce of Power revived him. Neither of these means Ganondorf is undead. In fact, your use of the word survived implied Ganondorf is still alive.



Again, the Fused Shadows have shown the ability to take over minds and Ganondorf is immune to that. Marnie's mental ability is no different. It is the ease in which Russell achieved this and he doesn't need to bolster his weight in order to achieve it.

That's incorrect. They are comprised of flesh. We see Link ko'd by Bulbins men and Dorf impaled every time a sword comes into play. It's silly to ignore their showings and use real world physics here and there when it suits you but to dismiss it otherwise.

No, just like vampires are alive they really aren't as they don't operate like humans and neither does Dorf since magic is keeping him alive.

Dorf did not put it on nor is it the same as Marnie's powers over the dead.

Ummm.... neither link nor the bulbins is human though. Hylian are actually avian.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Ummm.... neither link nor the bulbins is human though. Hylian are actually avian. Vampires greatly shit on human strength and speed.

But link isn't human. His people came from birds, not monkeys.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
But link isn't human. His people came from birds, not monkeys. He is basically a humanoid.

But not. For all we know, hylian skin is tougher than rhino skin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is the ease in which Russell achieved this and he doesn't need to bolster his weight in order to achieve it.

That doesn't change the fact that it is much weaker than things Link has done or tanked/



Yes, but fictional flesh doesn't have to be the same as real flesh, does it? I mean we can see their flesh tank things normal flesh and bone can't, which proves that their flesh is stronger than normal. Then, yes, we do see Link KO'd by King Bulblin's men; I have never denied this. What I am saying is that we have also seen Link tank a strike from King Bulblin himself without harm, as well as being fired out of no less than 3 different cannons in the course of the game.

That is one instance out of five that is a low showing, while the other four showings are high durability. Taking that into account, the bulblin KO represents less than 20% of Link's showings, and is not consistent with the other 80%. Are you going to take a single low showing over 4 high ones? Because if so, I believe I have an answer for your "What have I ignored?" question. The answer is the other 4 showings, in addition to the context of the scene.

For Ganondorf, it is similar. You state that he is impaled by "swords" while neglecting the fact that both of them are magical blades designed to harm evil, and that he shrugs off one of those swords entirely after gaining his powers. Then, you ignore that one of those impaling happened before he gained the Triforce of Power, and the other was the Master Sword, his explicit weakness. Even further, it ignores the Ganondorf vs. Midna scene, when Midna destroys Hyrule Castle with Ganondorf still inside, and he is completely unharmed. Only one of these three is actually a low showing, and it, too, has contextual mitigating factors.




"Doesn't operate like humans" does not automatically mean undead. A being made of magical fire does not operate like a human, but it is also not vulnerable to necromancy. Nor is someone powered by magic like Ganondorf. You would think all wizards were liches if that were the cas. Fact is, Ganondorf does not fit any formal definition of an undead creature, as he is still very much alive.



You don't have to put a Fused Shadow on for it to affect you. Just look at what happened to Darbus, AKA Twilight Igniter: Fyrus.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/fusedshadoweffects_zpsb295c0ad.png

Originally posted by The Scenario
That doesn't change the fact that it is much weaker than things Link has done or tanked/



Yes, but fictional flesh doesn't have to be the same as real flesh, does it? I mean we can see their flesh tank things normal flesh and bone can't, which proves that their flesh is stronger than normal. Then, yes, we do see Link KO'd by King Bulblin's men; I have never denied this. What I am saying is that we have also seen Link tank a strike from King Bulblin himself without harm, as well as being fired out of no less than 3 different cannons in the course of the game.

That is one instance out of five that is a low showing, while the other four showings are high durability. Taking that into account, the bulblin KO represents less than 20% of Link's showings, and is not consistent with the other 80%. Are you going to take a single low showing over 4 high ones? Because if so, I believe I have an answer for your "What have I ignored?" question. The answer is the other 4 showings, in addition to the context of the scene.

For Ganondorf, it is similar. You state that he is impaled by "swords" while neglecting the fact that both of them are magical blades designed to harm evil, and that he shrugs off one of those swords entirely after gaining his powers. Then, you ignore that one of those impaling happened before he gained the Triforce of Power, and the other was the Master Sword, his explicit weakness. Even further, it ignores the Ganondorf vs. Midna scene, when Midna destroys Hyrule Castle with Ganondorf still inside, and he is completely unharmed. Only one of these three is actually a low showing, and it, too, has contextual mitigating factors.




"Doesn't operate like humans" does not automatically mean undead. A being made of magical fire does not operate like a human, but it is also not vulnerable to necromancy. Nor is someone powered by magic like Ganondorf. You would think all wizards were liches if that were the cas. Fact is, Ganondorf does not fit any formal definition of an undead creature, as he is still very much alive.



You don't have to put a Fused Shadow on for it to affect you. Just look at what happened to Darbus, AKA Twilight Igniter: Fyrus.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/fusedshadoweffects_zpsb295c0ad.png It shows Russell doesn't need to alter weight when Link clearly does.

We see him portrayed just like humans in the sense swords cut him, etc.

Depends on angle of attack, pressure, etc. but the point is he isn't immune to Bulbins attacks he just survived that one.

I am not ignoring anything but clearly his skin can be pierced and ko'd by far less than Russell who can rip out spines with ease.

Stop it with the hyperbole. The Ms dispelled its magic and impaled him just like the other sword but it severed the connection. Dorf never showed the power to resist piercing sword damage though. You guys all claim this without the evidence.

Again speculation. We don't see what happens and he already has shown the ability to portal out of the immediate vicinity.

Dorf was a mortal being who would not have survived outside the magic which sustained his life. He is undead since the wound never healed. No, he clearly isn't alive since magic is sustaining his life just like the vampires aren't alive despite believing otherwise.

The difference is the fused shadows don't control your actions like Marnie. They just render you in a chaotic state but Midna still used it against those she wanted to. She wasn't trying to kill Link or Zelda.

Midna could use the FS because she's twili. They invented them.

When has hylian flesh ever been pierced?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows Russell doesn't need to alter weight when Link clearly does.

We see him portrayed just like humans in the sense swords cut him, etc.

Depends on angle of attack, pressure, etc. but the point is he isn't immune to Bulbins attacks he just survived that one.

I am not ignoring anything but clearly his skin can be pierced and ko'd by far less than Russell who can rip out spines with ease.

Stop it with the hyperbole. The Ms dispelled its magic and impaled him just like the other sword but it severed the connection. Dorf never showed the power to resist piercing sword damage though. You guys all claim this without the evidence.

Again speculation. We don't see what happens and he already has shown the ability to portal out of the immediate vicinity.

Dorf was a mortal being who would not have survived outside the magic which sustained his life. He is undead since the wound never healed. No, he clearly isn't alive since magic is sustaining his life just like the vampires aren't alive despite believing otherwise.

The difference is the fused shadows don't control your actions like Marnie. They just render you in a chaotic state but Midna still used it against those she wanted to. She wasn't trying to kill Link or Zelda.
Which is a giant pile of irrelevant.

Show me a sword cutting Link.

Which makes him immune to Russell's attacks because they're so much lighter.

Prove this, several feats contradict you.

What is 'piercing sword damage'? Is it a new pokemon attack type? Super effective against things that can withstand castle busting attacks without physical harm?

We see the attack land from Ganon's own perspective.

Insane Troll Logic at work.

Provide a feat from MArnie or Antonia that lets her control someone with Ganon's immense magic resistance. haermm

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows Russell doesn't need to alter weight when Link clearly does.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/swordlock_zps8b558917.gif

Against opponents of human weight, he pretty clearly does not.



Not just swords, they are magical artifacts that are very powerful in their own right.



Just like he'll survive Russell's attacks, yes?



I listed quite a bit that you ignored though, since magical artifacts are not the same as normal swords. What about the cannons and the axe that failed to knock Link out? Are you ignoring those? You're claiming a 1/5 showing overrules the other 4/5?



Which part is hyberbole? Ganondorf being weak to the Master Sword is a known fact, and the other hit him before he had powers and he shrugged it off immediately. So even if he can be hurt, he doesn't die and has shown the ability to revive himself.



He couldn't have taken Midna's helm without tanking that attack.



Magic sustaining life =/= undead and I really think you should define your terms better. The wound not healing is just a wound not healing, why would that mean undead?



Midna is a Twili, and the Fused Shadws are Twili magic sealed in items. The Light Spirit specifically say that the Fused Shadows are dangerous to those who live in the light, and Ganondorf is exactly that. He clearly resisted a mental effect, and so that gives him resistance to Marnie.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Midna could use the FS because she's twili. They invented them.

When has hylian flesh ever been pierced? She was still more violent but still did what she wanted. Different the another sentient being having control over you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She was still more violent but still did what she wanted. Different the another sentient being having control over you.

Midna and Ganondorf are different species and Midna's Twili nature is what allows her use the Fused Shadows the way she does, and she's still affected by them. Ganondorf does not have the natural Twili affinity, so his resistance is much more impressive.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Which is a giant pile of irrelevant.

Show me a sword cutting Link.

Which makes him immune to Russell's attacks because they're so much lighter.

Prove this, several feats contradict you.

What is 'piercing sword damage'? Is it a new pokemon attack type? Super effective against things that can withstand castle busting attacks without physical harm?

We see the attack land from Ganon's own perspective.

Insane Troll Logic at work.

Provide a feat from MArnie or Antonia that lets her control someone with Ganon's immense magic resistance. haermm No, it shows Link can't stop someone with momentum on his own. Relevant.

So now you're claiming Dorf can't cut him ?

False. Prove it.










Your claim.





Show me proof of him tanking attack like this.

No, we don't. We see it cut to another scene here.

Yes, you have troll logic.


















































You need to prove he can resist being controlled led since Hes undead.

Physics.

That's not what I claimed, but Ganondorf cutting Link wouldn't matter because Ganondorf is class 100 and Russell is not.

Link tanks an axe to the face from K.Bulbin. Dur.

Claim supported already by feats. Counter it or concede the point.

We see Midna bring down the spear from Ganon's POV.

You need to prove he's undead.

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/swordlock_zps8b558917.gif

Against opponents of human weight, he pretty clearly does not.



Not just swords, they are magical artifacts that are very powerful in their own right.



Just like he'll survive Russell's attacks, yes?



I listed quite a bit that you ignored though, since magical artifacts are not the same as normal swords. What about the cannons and the axe that failed to knock Link out? Are you ignoring those? You're claiming a 1/5 showing overrules the other 4/5?



Which part is hyberbole? Ganondorf being weak to the Master Sword is a known fact, and the other hit him before he had powers and he shrugged it off immediately. So even if he can be hurt, he doesn't die and has shown the ability to revive himself.



He couldn't have taken Midna's helm without tanking that attack.



Magic sustaining life =/= undead and I really think you should define your terms better. The wound not healing is just a wound not healing, why would that mean undead?



Midna is a Twili, and the Fused Shadws are Twili magic sealed in items. The Light Spirit specifically say that the Fused Shadows are dangerous to those who live in the light, and Ganondorf is exactly that. He clearly resisted a mental effect, and so that gives him resistance to Marnie. Ganondorf isn't using his momentum like Russell can with his speed.

We don't see any swords breaking off his skin and clearly see he relies on skill. He isn't immune to swords and there is absolutely no proof to support this insanity.

No, Russell can rip right through his flesh.

Quit hiding behind the magical aspect. Vampires dominate magical faeries. There. Cannon is tooney nonsense feat. Axe did not ko him but not everything does and he was ready for it.

Anti evil is hyperbole. It dispels magic but the anti evil is hyperbole and that's it.

Speculation. She might have ko'd herself.

Because without his magic he dies. Vampires die and their new physiology sustains life.

Dorf is dark and is not a creature of light Hes an evil dark being. His magic clearly amped the Twili magic. Union between Zant and he to work together.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ganondorf isn't using his momentum like Russell can with his speed.

We don't see any swords breaking off his skin and clearly see he relies on skill. He isn't immune to swords and there is absolutely no proof to support this insanity.

No, Russell can rip right through his flesh.

Quit hiding behind the magical aspect. Vampires dominate magical faeries. There. Cannon is tooney nonsense feat. Axe did not ko him but not everything does and he was ready for it.

Anti evil is hyperbole. It dispels magic but the anti evil is hyperbole and that's it.

Speculation. She might have ko'd herself.

Because without his magic he dies. Vampires die and their new physiology sustains life.

Dorf is dark and is not a creature of light Hes an evil dark being. His magic clearly amped the Twili magic. Union between Zant and he to work together.
Ganondorf is much larger, more powerful and faster than Edgington. Edgington would not be able to stop a collision with someone who casually runs through stone pillars.

How can a regular sword damage someone who endures a castle busting blow? It can't.

Russell isn't strong enough.

Stop ignoring feats, and Link has plenty of feats to spare anyway.

No, anti-evil is the sword's main function. It actively destroys evil, this is the most stated thing about it in Zelda canon.

Irrelevant since even if she did it'd put her above the strength of TB characters.

This is the most vague thing you've ever tried to argue.

Ganondorf is a Gerudo, he is not a 'creature of the dark' he's just evil.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganondorf is much larger, more powerful and faster than Edgington. Edgington would not be able to stop a collision with someone who casually runs through stone pillars.

How can a regular sword damage someone who endures a castle busting blow? It can't.

Russell isn't strong enough.

Stop ignoring feats, and Link has plenty of feats to spare anyway.

No, anti-evil is the sword's main function. It actively destroys evil, this is the most stated thing about it in Zelda canon.

Irrelevant since even if she did it'd put her above the strength of TB characters.

This is the most vague thing you've ever tried to argue.

Ganondorf is a Gerudo, he is not a 'creature of the dark' he's just evil. This is why I don't take you seriously. You just say random things without any proof to back it up. What speed feats does he have ?

We don't see him tank a castle buster nor resist any swords ? It's just cheery picking into bs logic while ignoring evidence.

Prove it.


I am not ignoring anything.

Hyperbole as anti evil means nothing just what it's done or its properties.

Prove it.

Dark meaning evil. He isn't someone who embraces light and has always backed Twili magic. Since when did anyone use it against him ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ganondorf isn't using his momentum like Russell can with his speed.

Yes he is, Ganondorf clearly charged directly at Link, and Russell's momentum would not give him even a fraction of the force of a Goron.



Are you talking about Link here?



Based on Links portrayal as a superhuman, no, Russell cannot overcome flesh that tanks axes and cannons.



The magic is powerful, though, and his explicit weakness. Cannon happened three times, you can't ignore it. The axe is more consistent than the KO, and the KO is still 1/5. That is not "everything else." That is objectively ONE thing knocking him out anf FOUR other things failing to do so. 4 is greater than 1, so the more consistent taks precedence.



Anti-evil is stated in game and if you say that it isn't one more time I will be forced to kill your iPad.



We SEE her attack Ganon.



And those are two entirely different processes. Is Voldemort undead?



Despite his evil and powers, Ganondorf is not a Twili. Why do you think the Mirror of Twilight worked on him before? He's obviously gain resistance since then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is why I don't take you seriously. You just say random things without any proof to back it up. What speed feats does he have ?

We don't see him tank a castle buster nor resist any swords ? It's just cheery picking into bs logic while ignoring evidence.

Prove it.


I am not ignoring anything.

Hyperbole as anti evil means nothing just what it's done or its properties.

Prove it.

Dark meaning evil. He isn't someone who embraces light and has always backed Twili magic. Since when did anyone use it against him ?
Ganondorf is capable of casually avoiding hyper-sonic arrows. Want a .gif or video of it to **** with your iPad? <3

We see Midna attack him and destroy the castle.

K. Axe to the chin, castle buster. Now provide strength feats for Russell that compare.

As you ignore the important part of what you're replying to. Link has feats to spare.

So you don't like it, and you're ignoring that the sword has the power to destroy evil, and that this is it's main use?

No.

He's not a Twili, his resistance to Twilight magic is the same as his resistance to all other magic: The ToP.

..soo what happened the the 'if he's a zombie AK wont work' thought?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Weve seen faeries ko'd prior to by faeries. They are stronger than people. We've also seen it faze Maryann though not much but she was almost invincible until she lowered her magical guard.
They only act that way when they ingest it. What planet are you from where you walk into a bar and can't think straight being in the vicinity. Newlin was fine and got wtf owned.

Sunlight does but we don't know if silver works yet iirc. All we know is sunlight since being staked has no effect.

Warlow is going to be tough to kill IMO. No vampire weaknesses which is only reason anyone stands a chance against them in TB as it is. So again, how tough are Fae?

False due to the very scene itself. Newlin appeared tipsy, idiotic and.. touchy from being in that area.
And actually you can walk into a bar and not be able to think straight due to social drunkness, just saying :P

Is sunlight confirmed though, like do we actually see it happening? (only seeing ep3 today) I guess all they have is decapitation for Warlow, though good luck with that given how strong he is compared to anyone but Bill. ****, catching up catching up..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganondorf is capable of casually avoiding hyper-sonic arrows. Want a .gif or video of it to **** with your iPad? <3

We see Midna attack him and destroy the castle.

K. Axe to the chin, castle buster. Now provide strength feats for Russell that compare.

As you ignore the important part of what you're replying to. Link has feats to spare.

So you don't like it, and you're ignoring that the sword has the power to destroy evil, and that this is it's main use?

No.

He's not a Twili, his resistance to Twilight magic is the same as his resistance to all other magic: The ToP. When canonically can he ? Arrows aren't impressive and we've seen him impaled twice now.

Speculation. We see him survive an axe but Link is safely outside the castle when its toppled.


Warlow, Claudine, or Faerie Elder bfrs Dorf. Or Marnie owns him.

Yes.

He supplies the magic to the Twili here so why would it affect him ?

Originally posted by BloodRain
..soo what happened the the 'if he's a zombie AK wont work' thought?
So again, how tough are Fae?

False due to the very scene itself. Newlin appeared tipsy, idiotic and.. touchy from being in that area.
And actually you can walk into a bar and not be able to think straight due to social drunkness, just saying :P

Is sunlight confirmed though, like do we actually see it happening? (only seeing ep3 today) I guess all they have is decapitation for Warlow, though good luck with that given how strong he is compared to anyone but Bill. ****, catching up catching up.. He isn't without a soul.

Now he just craved the blood. You need to consume it. You can pretend otherwise but who cares.

No, you can't. Maybe you can but not other people.

Yes, he can survive sunlight. He can also bfr which works like a charm against Dorf.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Yes he is, Ganondorf clearly charged directly at Link, and Russell's momentum would not give him even a fraction of the force of a Goron.



Are you talking about Link here?



Based on Links portrayal as a superhuman, no, Russell cannot overcome flesh that tanks axes and cannons.



The magic is powerful, though, and his explicit weakness. Cannon happened three times, you can't ignore it. The axe is more consistent than the KO, and the KO is still 1/5. That is not "everything else." That is objectively ONE thing knocking him out anf FOUR other things failing to do so. 4 is greater than 1, so the more consistent taks precedence.



Anti-evil is stated in game and if you say that it isn't one more time I will be forced to kill your iPad.



We SEE her attack Ganon.



And those are two entirely different processes. Is Voldemort undead?



Despite his evil and powers, Ganondorf is not a Twili. Why do you think the Mirror of Twilight worked on him before? He's obviously gain resistance since then. Yes, it would since his strength is great and his speed is far faster. Throw a bullet and shoot one. Which has greater force ?

Yes, Link.

One axe survival doesn't prove immunity to axes and the other feat is tooney and in their realm isn't supposed to kill anyone.

Cannon isn't supposed to kill in this verse. He is not immune to axes and we can he can be damaged by anyone in the game despite the reliance on canon videos only to misrepresent Link.

Just like Odin is stated to be omnipotent in comics. It is still hyperbole.

We don't know what happens next.

No, I never said he was. He took steps to live forever through magic. Horcruxes.

Ganon supplied the powers to the Twili so why would they work against him ?

No, he hasn't. He just found a way back. No proof as to being resistance to being bfr'd.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When canonically can he ? Arrows aren't impressive and we've seen him impaled twice now.

Speculation. We see him survive an axe but Link is safely outside the castle when its toppled.


Warlow, Claudine, or Faerie Elder bfrs Dorf. Or Marnie owns him.

Yes.

He supplies the magic to the Twili here so why would it affect him ?
During the Beast Ganon, Puppet Zelda, and Ganondorf sections of the fight.

Surviving an axe is plenty and Ganondorf survives a castle bust.

Good luck to any of them doing that from underneath a Twilight field or a flash freeze.

Glad you admit it.

Ganon doesn't supply magic to the Twili at all, he only ever gave any of his power to Zant. The Fused Shadows are pure Twili magic.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
During the Beast Ganon, Puppet Zelda, and Ganondorf sections of the fight.

Surviving an axe is plenty and Ganondorf survives a castle bust.

Good luck to any of them doing that from underneath a Twilight field or a flash freeze.

Glad you admit it.

Ganon doesn't supply magic to the Twili at all, he only ever gave any of his power to Zant. The Fused Shadows are pure Twili magic. When are there instances of canon arrow misses ? Gameplay mechanic.

No, that doesn't prove immunity just that he can survive. Bfr Dorf or controls him.

This is an invasion thread. They can also teleport.

You said no I said yes.

Yes, he gave power to Zant. Thanks for admitting it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When are there instances of canon arrow misses ? Gameplay mechanic.

No, that doesn't prove immunity just that he can survive. Bfr Dorf or controls him.

This is an invasion thread. They can also teleport.

You said no I said yes.

Yes, he gave power to Zant. Thanks for admitting it.
During all three fights Ganon is either completely untouchable by arrows or becomes completely untouchable by arrows.

Good luck, the Fused Shadows couldn't and Ganondorf can fly now, so he's not just going to be pulled through a portal again.

Twilight Field.

Then you concede the point you failed to respond to, anyway.

Zant has nothing to do with the twilight realm, fused shadows, or other twili.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
During all three fights Ganon is either completely untouchable by arrows or becomes completely untouchable by arrows.

Good luck, the Fused Shadows couldn't and Ganondorf can fly now, so he's not just going to be pulled through a portal again.

Twilight Field.

Then you concede the point you failed to respond to, anyway.

Zant has nothing to do with the twilight realm, fused shadows, or other twili. Not canon as you don't have to shoot arrows.

So what. Force him or blast him and he's bfrd like before when the sages dominate him.


Inapplicable here.

No, you conceded.

Zant used Dorfs power to achieve his goals. Obviously.

So you have no argument. Good.

Sure, blast the teleporter with hyersonic reflexes and castle bust level durability for all your worth. haermm

Soloes.

Learn what that word means.

And this has nothing to do with the fused shadows or twilight realm, but I'm glad you finally grasp this basic concept.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you have no argument. Good.

Sure, blast the teleporter with hyersonic reflexes and castle bust level durability for all your worth. haermm

Soloes.

Learn what that word means.

And this has nothing to do with the fused shadows or twilight realm, but I'm glad you finally grasp this basic concept. It isn't canon and a gameplay mechanic.



Bfr, control him, or cut into his soft skin.

Prove it when the guy can't solo Link or sages.

Yes, it does. Dorf needed his help because on his own he was easily defeated.

Learn what a gameplay mechanic is.

Too durable, too resistant, too fast, can fly, can teleport, can cross dimensions, etc.

Link has the Master Sword.

He needed Zant's help, yet he's the one who gave Zant power. Some logic you have there.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Learn what a gameplay mechanic is.

Too durable, too resistant, too fast, can fly, can teleport, can cross dimensions, etc.

Link has the Master Sword.

He needed Zant's help, yet he's the one who gave Zant power. Some logic you have there. You clearly don't.

He was bfr'd, easily impaled twice, can't fly out of dimensions, will need to be resurrected after he does.

Link crushed him. Awful when he can't solo an inexperienced kid.

Zant did what he failed to do which is conquer Hyrule.


Ganondorf rode his coattails.

It's not character capabilities.

So you never beat TP?

Link would solo TB, it'd just take him longer than Ganon, who calls down a Twilight field.

That's funny, since Ganon's conquered Hyrule at least three times.

Zant would solo, too.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's not character capabilities.

So you never beat TP?

Link would solo TB, it'd just take him longer than Ganon, who calls down a Twilight field.

That's funny, since Ganon's conquered Hyrule at least three times.

Zant would solo, too. What ?

Yes, I did. Impaled that woman, Dorf.


So link can survive modern weaponry, vampires, Fae magic, Maenad, and Weres ?
Not in tp. Stay on topic.


No, he wouldn't. You are such a child.

Indeed.

With the Master Sword? After he tanked a castle bust.

Yes, Link can survive all of those things.

You seem upset.

Now then, you can try to prove your case with feats, or I'll get the .gifs again. Debate properly and I'll be civil, waste my time and you'll go back to being my toy for super happy fun time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it would since his strength is great and his speed is far faster. Throw a bullet and shoot one. Which has greater force ?


Not relevant, but interesting: Did you know a thrown baseball has more energy than a fired bullet? Well, it turns out that mass has a big effect on this kind of thing. More than speed, really, up to a certain point.

Still, Ganondorf is stronger, and indeed more massive than Russell is. That more than counters Russell's speed, even if Ganondorf wasn't just a fast.



One axe plus three cannons definitely sets a precedent. Toonforce is a copout, you can't deny that Link was fired out of a cannon at the ground and your only argument is that all of Zeldaverse is immune to cannons. Link being damaged outside of cutscenes is non-canon gameplay, but do you want to discuss the fact that it would take Russell over 48 hits to remove Link's 24 hearts?



"It's more effective against evil" is not a hyperbolic statement.



Ganondorf wins, obviously, after Midna hit him and destroyed the castle.



So Voldemort is being kept alive through magic. He dies when the magic is cut off (When Negini, the last horcrux, is killed.) That fits the definition of undead that you gave me, does it not?

Alternatively, "Ganondorf acquired a way to live forever through magic. Triforce of Power."

See, by your own definition, either both Ganondorf and Voldemort are undead, or neither is. You're going to have to pick one.



Not quite. Ganondorf supplied power to Zant, a single Twili, and that power was explicit different from Twilight magic as described by Zelda.

"What binds him is a different magic than what transformed him when he first crossed the veil of Twilight. It is an evil power."

Ganondorf is evil power, the Fused Shadows are Twili magic. And we see for a fact that Ganondorf did not resist Twili magic in the form of the Mirror of Twilight 100 years ago, his resistance to the Fused Shadows in the present outright shows that his magic resistance has improved dramatically. And so it also proves he's immune to Marnie's magic.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Indeed.

With the Master Sword? After he tanked a castle bust.

Yes, Link can survive all of those things.

You seem upset.

Now then, you can try to prove your case with feats, or I'll get the .gifs again. Debate properly and I'll be civil, waste my time and you'll go back to being my toy for super happy fun time. Nah.


Speculation.

No, he can't since Bulbins men drummed him.

I'm fine.

So you threaten to derail and spam a thread again out of fear for scenario. Go ahead and do it. Only way to save him.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Not relevant, but interesting: Did you know a thrown baseball has more energy than a fired bullet? Well, it turns out that mass has a big effect on this kind of thing. More than speed, really, up to a certain point.

Still, Ganondorf is stronger, and indeed more massive than Russell is. That more than counters Russell's speed, even if Ganondorf wasn't just a fast.



One axe plus three cannons definitely sets a precedent. Toonforce is a copout, you can't deny that Link was fired out of a cannon at the ground and your only argument is that all of Zeldaverse is immune to cannons. Link being damaged outside of cutscenes is non-canon gameplay, but do you want to discuss the fact that it would take Russell over 48 hits to remove Link's 24 hearts?



"It's more effective against evil" is not a hyperbolic statement.



Ganondorf wins, obviously, after Midna hit him and destroyed the castle.



So Voldemort is being kept alive through magic. He dies when the magic is cut off (When Negini, the last horcrux, is killed.) That fits the definition of undead that you gave me, does it not?

Alternatively, "Ganondorf acquired a way to live forever through magic. Triforce of Power."

See, by your own definition, either both Ganondorf and Voldemort are undead, or neither is. You're going to have to pick one.



Not quite. Ganondorf supplied power to Zant, a single Twili, and that power was explicit different from Twilight magic as described by Zelda.

"What binds him is a different magic than what transformed him when he first crossed the veil of Twilight. It is an evil power."

Ganondorf is evil power, the Fused Shadows are Twili magic. And we see for a fact that Ganondorf did not resist Twili magic in the form of the Mirror of Twilight 100 years ago, his resistance to the Fused Shadows in the present outright shows that his magic resistance has improved dramatically. And so it also proves he's immune to Marnie's magic. Both play a hand in this. We've seen Russell's strength easily stop moving cars and unlike Link he doesn't need to increase his own weight in order to do so.

He isn't faster nor is he stronger IMO. Russell doesn't need a sword to rip through flesh but it seems Dorf does. No, it doesn't. Russell has slap killing powerful vampire strength.

The cannon is a looney tune feat which is different there. It's a ride not designed to kill. You fans take it out of context. This isn't the game and Russell only needs one attack to kill him. Link isn't invulnerable nor do you have any proof he is.


I never contested that aspect of it.

We don't know what happens but ultimately Dorf does win. Midna might have fallen and sprained her ankle.

Voldemort made himself immortal by splitting up his soul whereas magic keeps the wound from being fatal. Completely different.

He did not live forever though. He was soundly defeated in this game every time he showed up.

Apples and oranges.

That power backed him. That is indisputable. We have never seen the Twili magic used against Dorf in this manner then say by fused shadows. Midna failed.


He is just more formidable than Midna is all. She might have even provided her own downfall. We simply don't know.

I thought toon physics only apply ehen the action isn't a major plot point, like the canons.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I thought toon physics only apply ehen the action isn't a major plot point, like the canons. The cannon was obviously toon physics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah.


Speculation.

No, he can't since Bulbins men drummed him.

I'm fine.

So you threaten to derail and spam a thread again out of fear for scenario. Go ahead and do it. Only way to save him.
You don't even know what you're saying nah to. haermm

It's not speculation when it happens on screen.

That was him at the beginning of the game, which is irrelevant since he became much more durable.

You sure? You seemed to be on the verge of tears last night.

You seem aware of my threat, and yet you've neither countered my evidence or supplied your own. It's almost like you're looking for a way out.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You don't even know what you're saying nah to. haermm

It's not speculation when it happens on screen.

That was him at the beginning of the game, which is irrelevant since he became much more durable.

You sure? You seemed to be on the verge of tears last night.

You seem aware of my threat, and yet you've neither countered my evidence or supplied your own. It's almost like you're looking for a way out. Your biased opinion.


We don't see what happens. Speculation.

His musculature does not change.

You spammed. I don't deal with spammers. You don't want to debate you want to spam.

Yes, I have destroyed you in every front hence the spamming.

You: What ?
Me: Indeed
You: Nah

You do this a lot. You can't remember what I'm replying to, so you disagree with it just to disagree with it.

Yes we do. We see it from Ganon's own POV.

Doesn't need to, because his physical capability does.

Oh look at you, 'dealing' with me right now. Here's the problem: you make shit up, you lie, you don't post evidence, and you dismiss canon.

You've not once posted a legitimate argument.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The cannon was obviously toon physics.
Except it was a crutial part of the story and lore of the game. If it was played for laughs you'd have a point, but it was played pretty straight.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Except it was a crutial part of the story and lore of the game. If it was played for laughs you'd have a point, but it was played pretty straight. Cannon ride doesn't kill its just a fun ride. Toon physics.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You: What ?
Me: Indeed
You: Nah

You do this a lot. You can't remember what I'm replying to, so you disagree with it just to disagree with it.

Yes we do. We see it from Ganon's own POV.

Doesn't need to, because his physical capability does.

Oh look at you, 'dealing' with me right now. Here's the problem: you make shit up, you lie, you don't post evidence, and you dismiss canon.

You've not once posted a legitimate argument. We don't see what happens next. Speculation.

If you want to play real world logic then it does. It doesn't. You pick and choose out of bias.

What have I made up ?


You think Link can't be killed by modern day weaponry. You're a fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both play a hand in this. We've seen Russell's strength easily stop moving cars and unlike Link he doesn't need to increase his own weight in order to do so.

Russell's car feat isn't very impressive considering its context. It wasn't going very fast and is not nearly as heavy as a Goron. Russell tipping the car up on its front tires, however, is a bit better. On the other hand, we've also seen Link toss around blocks of solid ice much larger than a car, and Wolf Link did stop Beast Ganon without boots.



Ganondorf made a Sage explode by grabbing him. A bit more impressive than a slap-decapitation. If Ganondorf hit Russell there would be vampire chunks flying everywhere. It'd be a real mess. Recall that Link blocks that kind of strength with ease.



So? It still happened and whether it is toony or not is irrelevant given the sheer consistency of Link's resilience. You are aware he Link improves over time, yes? Why would 1 attack from Russell kill Link when it would take 48 hits in the game? "This isn't the game"? So what is it, the cutscenes? The ones that have Link being fired out of cannons and tanking axe blows to the face?

Please make up your mind, quanchi, on which version of Link we're using.



For that claim you'll need evidence (Fused Shadow Midna has no ankles.) As it stands, we see Midna's actual attack and the immediate aftermath of Ganondorf winning. That's enough to show he was clearly unharmed by her attack. Do you have anything that disputes this?



Yeah, Voldemort used magic to keep his soul removal from being fatal, as seen when he dies after the magic is cut off. It was keeping him alive, he is undead according to you. I don't recall any vampires having big wounds that don't heal, either.



Nor did Voldemort, what is your point here? Ganondorf remained immortal until the artifact that gave him immortality was removed.



Exactly, Ganondorf's "evil power" (Triforce of Power) and the Twili's magic (Fused Shadows/Mirror of Twilight) cannot be compared the way you are trying to. They are different and required different methods to remove in game.




You know how Link and Ganondorf play magic tennis sometimes? Whether you call it Ganonball or Dead Man's Volley, one thing is made clear: Ganondorf is not fully immune to his own magic. Why then, is he shown to be immune to Twili magic Fused Shadows power? Why, then, was he affected by Twili magic in the form of the Mirror of Twilight a long time ago? The answer is rather simple: Ganondorf gained a great amount of magical resistance over time.

So with that magical resistance, Marnie isn't doing anything to him. In fact, Ganondorf could just possess Marnie. Antonia did, so we know Marnie is vulnerable to possession. Then, Ganondorf's a necromancer, too. He controls Stalfos (skeletons), Redeads (zombies), and his Phantom horsemen. Zant used Ganondorf's power to control an undead creature as powerful as Stallord. Heh, Marnie and the vampires are just Ganondorf's puppets now.

We don't need to, we know Ganon was hit and that he is unharmed.

No, Link doesn't need Thor's 90's era physique for his physical stats to change. His feats change, and what we're told about how powerful he is changes. That's enough.

Ganon being undead, the world being 'out of balance' being responsible for Ganon's powers (lol), among other things. Glad you are already aware you lie and disregard canon though. Surprisingly self aware of how dishonest you are.

No, I just know that an assault rifle has nothing on 60 tons of angry stone giant in motion trying to crush someone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't without a soul.

Now he just craved the blood. You need to consume it. You can pretend otherwise but who cares.

No, you can't. Maybe you can but not other people.

Yes, he can survive sunlight. He can also bfr which works like a charm against Dorf. Yeah but he's already dead, a kill spell would leave him in the same state :P

And you can deny the scene all you like. You can deny the tipsy walking, the idiotic behaviour, the jump-clasping at thin air.. but it all happened. And yup, its a brain trick causing physical results, on the level of mob mentality.

Still need to completely see about them, only about 6 eps left til everything will likely be revealed :T

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We don't need to, we know Ganon was hit and that he is unharmed.

No, Link doesn't need Thor's 90's era physique for his physical stats to change. His feats change, and what we're told about how powerful he is changes. That's enough.

Ganon being undead, the world being 'out of balance' being responsible for Ganon's powers (lol), among other things. Glad you are already aware you lie and disregard canon though. Surprisingly self aware of how dishonest you are.

No, I just know that an assault rifle has nothing on 60 tons of angry stone giant in motion trying to crush someone. We don't know that. He probably recovered is all.

No, we see him beaten and don't ignore it. Simple.

Both are true. Marnie easily controls the undead son of a Gerudo *****.

Inconsistent. Arrows and swords hurt him. Quit lying and distorting feats to sell your bias.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah but he's already dead, a kill spell would leave him in the same state :P

And you can deny the scene all you like. You can deny the tipsy walking, the idiotic behaviour, the jump-clasping at thin air.. but it all happened. And yup, its a brain trick causing physical results, on the level of mob mentality.

Still need to completely see about them, only about 6 eps left til everything will likely be revealed :T He is still with a soul.

Look on the Wikipedia. Nowhere is it claimed unless they consume faerie blood. You're wrong.

Right now its looking like TB stomps pre season 6.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is still with a soul.

Look on the Wikipedia. Nowhere is it claimed unless they consume faerie blood. You're wrong.

Right now its looking like TB stomps pre season 6.
And? He's 'dead', AK kills people. How do you kill a dead man with a death spell?

TB > TB wiki. If we see Steve and Russ acting tipsy from being in that area, being in the presence does something to them.

The instant we saw Bill that was confirmed.

Originally posted by BloodRain
And? He's 'dead', AK kills people. How do you kill a dead man with a death spell?

TB > TB wiki. If we see Steve and Russ acting tipsy from being in that area, being in the presence does something to them.

The instant we saw Bill that was confirmed. He is still with a soul. Separates soul completely killing him.

Nothing in the show ever supports your wild theories. They were nuts by the smell. That's it.

Good to hear you admit TB stomps Zelda.


Victory is mine. Tremble, paste.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is still with a soul. Separates soul completely killing him.

Nothing in the show ever supports your wild theories. They were nuts by the smell. That's it.

Good to hear you admit TB stomps Zelda.


Victory is mine. Tremble, paste.
You know the exact mechanics of AK? AK kills, he's dead. Can it kill whats already dead?

The scene agrees with me.

Lol I was talking about season 6 TB stomping on all seasons before it

Originally posted by BloodRain
You know the exact mechanics of AK? AK kills, he's dead. Can it kill whats already dead?

The scene agrees with me.

Lol I was talking about season 6 TB stomping on all seasons before it Has to do with souls as well and magic. If there is a soul present in any capacity the spell kills.


Nope.


No, it doesn't. But you agree TB stomps Zelda. Awesome.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't know that. He probably recovered is all.

No, we see him beaten and don't ignore it. Simple.

Both are true. Marnie easily controls the undead son of a Gerudo *****.

Inconsistent. Arrows and swords hurt him. Quit lying and distorting feats to sell your bias.
Changing your tune about Ganon being incapable of healing, eh? Now he has a healing factor? Lol.

Lowballing with an outlier that isn't relevant. It's like arguing about Superman if Superman's wearing a kryptonite jacket and chilling in red sunlight. Irrelevant to the actual thread.

Both are bullshit you made up.*

Funny, I can't recall arrows or swords hurting Link at all. In fact he shrugs off an axe in a cutscene.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Changing your tune about Ganon being incapable of healing, eh? Now he has a healing factor? Lol.

Lowballing with an outlier that isn't relevant. It's like arguing about Superman if Superman's wearing a kryptonite jacket and chilling in red sunlight. Irrelevant to the actual thread.

Both are bullshit you made up.*

Funny, I can't recall arrows or swords hurting Link at all. In fact he shrugs off an axe in a cutscene. He can recover from force but can't heal from fatal wounds on his own.

No, its a clear point.

No, I did not.

So you claim Links courageous adventure was against foes who couldn't hurt him ? You make no sense.

So he was unhurt. Gotcha.

Using a low showing without context. Lol.

Bullshit.

Oh some of them certainly could, just not the mooks he walked through hundreds of along the way.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So he was unhurt. Gotcha.

Using a low showing without context. Lol.

Bullshit.

Oh some of them certainly could, just not the mooks he walked through hundreds of along the way. Unlikely. He was not defeated.


Who did ?

Nope.

So now you pick and choose what can hurt him. Awful and hypocritical.

Which is enough. That's a large scale enough attack to make him completely immune to TB's nonsense.

You.

Fraid so.

No, the game does, I'm just reciting it back to you.