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Because Sora vs Link tends to have a sub debate devoted to this, I'll just give the weapons their own thread.

Now, which weapon is stronger? Which is more practical? More useful? Best looking? In short, which weapon is best?

Both weapons get all feats demonstrated within canon.

Here is what the Master Sword looks like:

http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/8/80/Master_Sword_%28Ocarina_of_Time%29.png

The Keyblade...Well there are a lot of keyblades. Too many in fact to post images of all of them. So I'll just put the base one here and if someone has a better suggestion, feel free to offer it.


http://images.wiki.wegame.com/i/x5kd37LO.png

Note: If a thread like this isn't allowed, then I'll make it a fight between Master Xehanort, arguably the best Keyblade wielder, and OoT Link. Fight takes place in a Pokemon arena because it's awesome.

What are the rough powers of each? I have only seen the MS act like a normal sword save the fact it can shoot beams of light.

The keyblade is the source of all of Soras power is it not? if not the majority of it, so I imagine if it can make Sora who is (I dont know the series so dont bash me ) a young boy into a powerful warrior then that alone can give it the win beyond my current knowledge of the MS.

Also what magic powers does the keyblade have specifcially? if its what allows Sora to use all those magics and summons then it probably gets my vote until I see more from the MS.

Alright, fine.

Failsafe for full Triforce > Keyblade. Master Sword wins. It also looks cooler and is more practical based on actually being a sword.

Why does that factor give it the win?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Now, which weapon is stronger? Which is more practical? More useful? Best looking? In short, which weapon is best?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Alright, fine.

Failsafe for full Triforce > Keyblade. Master Sword wins. It also looks cooler and is more practical based on actually being a sword.

Although the MS certainly wins looks and probably practicality, it looks beter than the keyblade.

Will ignore power for now.

But more practical it is not, in my humble opinion. The Keyblade can double as a vehicle and a magical weapon. It also appears whenever it is needed. The Mastersword makes Link go and get it doesn't it?

Hm fair enough points. Does the keyblade give Sora all of his abilities or just some?

The MS ****s with time, protects its' wielder, tells evil to stfu, tells barriers to stfu, reflects magic, shoots beams, and has a ricasso. It's plainly more practical. (A RICASSO. Most game developers wouldn't even know what that IS. But yeah, utilitarian as shit.) Yes, Link has to go and get it, but giving the hero his sword without any work makes for soft, spoiled heroes. uhuh

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The MS ****s with time, protects its' wielder, tells evil to stfu, tells barriers to stfu, reflects magic, shoots beams, and has a ricasso. It's plainly more practical. (A RICASSO. Most game developers wouldn't even know what that IS. But yeah, utilitarian as shit.) Yes, Link has to go and get it, but giving the hero his sword without any work makes for soft, spoiled heroes. uhuh

Keyblade can close portals through time and ****s with space. Can also open any lock, including those made by gods. Keyblade can shoot beams and can split in two when needed. It also transforms into FTL vehicles. As for rather the Keyblade spoils the user is a rather blatant misconception. Heartless attack keyblade wielders because of the threat of the weapon.

That said, the Keyblade is able to protect ever single planet in Kingdom Hearts one with a simple bit of magic.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Hm fair enough points. Does the keyblade give Sora all of his abilities or just some?

Sora loses the keyblade and still retains his abilities. Though it is shown that Keyblade wielders are obviously stronger with teh Keyblade than without.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Keyblade can close portals through time and ****s with space. Can also open any lock, including those made by gods. Keyblade can shoot beams and can split in two when needed. It also transforms into FTL vehicles. As for rather the Keyblade spoils the user is a rather blatant misconception. Heartless attack keyblade wielders because of the threat of the weapon.

That said, the Keyblade is able to protect ever single planet in Kingdom Hearts one with a simple bit of magic.



Sora loses the keyblade and still retains his abilities. Though it is shown that Keyblade wielders are obviously stronger with teh Keyblade than without.

Yeah, that's real practical. My sword attracts a limitless and ever multiplying force of evil.

The Keyblade is able to do so through there being thousands, hundreds of thousands, or perhaps even millions of them. As far as one simple bit of magic goes, I don't know what you're talking about.

That is only because Keyblades are supposedly the only weapons that truly affect the Heartless. But that was quickly retconned like, in the same game, about ten minutes after it was introduced. And then brought back to a lesser degree about eight worlds or so later.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, that's real practical. My sword attracts a limitless and ever multiplying force of evil.

The Keyblade is able to do so through there being thousands, hundreds of thousands, or perhaps even millions of them. As far as one simple bit of magic goes, I don't know what you're talking about.

That is only because Keyblades are supposedly the only weapons that truly affect the Heartless. But that was quickly retconned like, in the same game, about ten minutes after it was introduced. And then brought back to a lesser degree about eight worlds or so later.

Turns you into a badass. 313

Point? And the Magic I'm referring to is the simple locking of the Keyhole, making it impossible for the Heartless to destroy a world.

Keyblades are the only weapons that release the hearts the Heartless have nomed on. So if that counts as truly affecting them, then the statement is correct.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Turns you into a badass. 313

Point? And the Magic I'm referring to is the simple locking of the Keyhole, making it impossible for the Heartless to destroy a world.

Keyblades are the only weapons that release the hearts the Heartless have nomed on. So if that counts as truly affecting them, then the statement is correct.

You said yourself Sora kept his powers.

Point being that you can't give one weapon credit for protecting the universe when hundreds of thousands of the same weapon do it.

No, I mean how on the Destiny Islands, Sora's wooden sword wouldn't so much as touch those Heartless. Then by the time he gets to Traverse Town, everyone and their brother has a weapon that can hurt them. Then, you get to Hollow Bastion and all of a sudden the wooden sword is working on them. Inconsistency is inconsistent.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You said yourself Sora kept his powers.

Point being that you can't give one weapon credit for protecting the universe when hundreds of thousands of the same weapon do it.

No, I mean how on the Destiny Islands, Sora's wooden sword wouldn't so much as touch those Heartless. Then by the time he gets to Traverse Town, everyone and their brother has a weapon that can hurt them. Then, you get to Hollow Bastion and all of a sudden the wooden sword is working on them. Inconsistency is inconsistent.

But he is noticeably weaker without it. As is Roxas. Keyblade makes him stronger.

Hmm...this doesn't fly with me. Link saves Hyrule constantly, but since there is more than one Link, he doesn't get credit for it? :3

Sora is stronger by the time he gets to Hollow Bastion?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But he is noticeably weaker without it. As is Roxas. Keyblade makes him stronger.

Hmm...this doesn't fly with me. Link saves Hyrule constantly, but since there is more than one Link, he doesn't get credit for it? :3

Sora is stronger by the time he gets to Hollow Bastion?

Because the Keyblades get better damage against Heartless.

This doesn't fly with me. If he was saving Hyrule constantly, the country would never have any times of stability. And no. A different Link saves Hyrule every time. Each Link gets credit for the saves they perform. Your grasp of common sense appears to be lacking, sir.

How does being stronger take intangibility away from an enemy?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Because the Keyblades get better damage against Heartless.

This doesn't fly with me. If he was saving Hyrule constantly, the country would never have any times of stability. And no. A different Link saves Hyrule every time. Each Link gets credit for the saves they perform. Your grasp of common sense appears to be lacking, sir.

How does being stronger take intangibility away from an enemy?

And nobodys. So you're saying the Keyblade doesn't give Sora building busting feats?

And a different set of Keyblades have saved the universe. Why do the weapons not get credit? :O

I dunno. Ask the designers. I've always taken that as the explanation and I've never been given a better one.

Master Sword:
+ Somewhat stronger than a normal blade, 2x in ALttP.
+ 50+ damage on evil beings.
+ Has evil magic repellent.
+ Key to the Sacred Realm.
+ Can't be stolen. (Only a hero of pure heart and strong of body can wield it)
+ Can shoot blade beams.
- Can be depowered. (WW)
- Can lose its Evil Bane-ness if the Earth and Wind sages are... something. (May be the above point)

Keyblade:
+ Leagues above the strength of a normal blade.
+ Highly amps the users physical attributes.
+ Effective against the main treats in the verse. (Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed)
+ Can lock/unlock worlds, lower form is opening any lock or seal.
+ Can't be stolen. (Only the chosen wielder can hold it)
+ Can shoot beams.
+ Amps magic power.
+ Can be charged with magic to increase length and strength.
+ Can be used for transport. (Glider)
+ Can change forms for different effects/powers.
- If the user acts against their heart the Keyblade leaves them.
- Heartless are sometimes drawn to the Keyblade.
^ <<< χ-blade.

Stronger- Offensively the MS is a strong sword thats stronger against evil beings, compared to the Key much more stronger than a sword, amps the users strength and is stronger against the creatures in the KH verse. Offensively the Keyblade, though the MS has the better defensive powers.

Which is more practical/More useful- The Key. Amps your physical and magic skills, open and close any lock/seal and if trained can be used as a Glider. Though if you're not a traveler and and only fight evil foes with magic then maybe the MS.

Best looking- ^That Key against the MS... even with the basic look of the MS its hard to look fearsome with a giant key.. Other Keychains however have a better appearance: Oathkeeper, Oblivion, Guardian Soul, Two Become One, Chaos Ripper, Void Gear, No Name, The Ultima Weapon, Master Xehanort's Keyblade and the χ-blade all have a better appearance than the Master Sword.

In short, which weapon is best- The Keyblade.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And nobodys. So you're saying the Keyblade doesn't give Sora building busting feats?

And a different set of Keyblades have saved the universe. Why do the weapons not get credit? :O

I dunno. Ask the designers. I've always taken that as the explanation and I've never been given a better one.

Sora doesn't even have building busting feats.

More than one Keyblade has been involved in performing said deed, meaning that credit cannot be given to one sword. The group of them, sure, they can have it along with their wielders. The entire KH universe has never actually been in danger. And the force that threatens things hasn't even been stopped yet.

That's not even a reason though. XD

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Sora doesn't even have building busting feats.

More than one Keyblade has been involved in performing said deed, meaning that credit cannot be given to one sword. The group of them, sure, they can have it along with their wielders. The entire KH universe has never actually been in danger. And the force that threatens things hasn't even been stopped yet.

That's not even a reason though. XD

Chops them in half.

Yet all of those keyblades have generally the same powers. Namely, with a flick of his wrist, Sora could protect an entire planet from destruction. The keyblades are only slightly different from a gameplay perspective.

Isn't it?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Sora doesn't even have building busting feats. Forgot the KH2 end boss fight?

Oh, those magic ones that spring up from the ground in the world made of hearts? Impressive!

See, there you go again with that. What are you even talking about?

No, it's not.

The keyblade wins looking over the current claims in all but looks (using the image in the thread although those bloodrain has shown were pretty good).

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh, those magic ones that spring up from the ground in the world made of hearts? Impressive!

See, there you go again with that. What are you even talking about?

No, it's not.

Still appear to have mass so...yeah, I agree.

Take a gun. Many types of guns out there in the world with their own differences and stuff. But the bare basics of a gun remains the same, just gets stronger/different with each new kind of gun. That is what Keyblades are like. The basic powers that have been listed are seen in most or all keyblades. The basic Keyblades have enough power to protect planets.

Sure it is.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
How does being stronger take intangibility away from an enemy?
It doesn't. The wooden sword bounces off them, it doesn't go through them. Later on, Sora is given a wooden sword again, but this time he's strong enough to deal damage to the heartless with it.

This is proof that the keyblade is making Sora stronger, even when he does not have possession of it at the time.


and I just realized that I replied to a thread that's weeks old. Go me.

Easily the MS is superior. It pretty much is a giant "F you" to all yo' powahz.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The basic Keyblades have enough power to protect planets.


Cool story, bro.
The MS is the counter for omnipotence and omniscience. 'Nuff said, by any standard.

Considering it is actually impossible to be a counter to something with all power and all knowledge, the devs were clearly using nice words.

no limit fallacies ftw! the backbone of LLLC arguments.

Originally posted by Burning thought
no limit fallacies ftw! the backbone of LLLC arguments.

Hasty generalization and ad hominum fallacies ftw! We can do it too.

Granted, the Master Sword working against the whole Triforce (and said omnipotence) is sketchy at best.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Considering it is actually impossible to be a counter to something with all power and all knowledge, the devs were clearly using nice words.

Miyamoto rejects your reality and substitutes his own.
But we all saw the "ostrich with his head in the sand" reaction coming...

Keyblade FTW.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Hasty generalization and ad hominum fallacies ftw! We can do it too.

Well you can add those two on if ya like, I never said you cannot own up to your fallacies but most of the team does not.

Master Sword based on the fact Kingdom Hearts is ass.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Cool story, bro.
The MS is the counter for omnipotence and omniscience. 'Nuff said, by any standard.

What does that even mean? How would it be used in a fight?

Originally posted by TacDavey
What does that even mean? How would it be used in a fight?
The Master Sword is stated in aLttP to be a failsafe against the triforce itself. IE, it's on a level of power above the key.

Or it could be the 'key' for the metaphorical 'door' that is the triforce, used to 'lock' it when needed.

/annoyingness

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The Master Sword is stated in aLttP to be a failsafe against the triforce itself. IE, it's on a level of power above the key.

So again, what does that mean for a fight? If it is a good counter against the Triforce, that seems to suggest the Master Sword would be great....... if you're fighting the Triforce, or someone using the Triforce.

I haven't seen the Master Sword do anything other than shoot beams and break barriers. Something the Key Blade is more than capable of doing. The Master Sword sounds like a powerful weapon against select characters. It seems to be basically a slightly more powerful sword when used against anything else.

What are some of the things the Master Sword can do in a fight that would make it the better weapon to have on hand?

It grants pretty good resistance to magic and curses, and is capable of reflecting magic attacks back at the caster.

Originally posted by The Scenario
It grants pretty good resistance to magic and curses, and is capable of reflecting magic attacks back at the caster.

The Keyblade can also do those things. With the exception of resisting curses. I don't think I've seen it do that one.

''Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword.'' ~aLttP manual.

"However, it could not be assumed that only a good person would get their hands on the Triforce. For that reason, the people of Hyrule were told by the gods to make something that would repulse any evil that may kidnap the Triforce: the blade of evil's bane." ~aLttP JP manual.

Are these the quotes?

I suppose it's a good thing Keyblades are fail safes to the literal creator of the universe in Kingdom Hearts, otherwise the Master Sword might indeed have more wank on it's side.

"Keyblades are said to be man-made counterparts to Kingdom Hearts."
~Xehanort's Report VII

Which is not factoring in the ultimate weapon of the KH verse, the χ-blade. Which going by it's description really would offer omnipotence.

Originally posted by BloodRain
''Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword.'' ~aLttP manual.

"However, it could not be assumed that only a good person would get their hands on the Triforce. For that reason, the people of Hyrule were told by the gods to make something that would repulse any evil that may kidnap the Triforce: the blade of evil's bane." ~aLttP JP manual.

Are these the quotes? No, those are more quotes. There's an in-game statement on it, as well.

..Was a subtle hint asking for someone to post the clip >__>

Though that JP manual one is interesting.

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That's where the Triforce gets described with all those kewl words. Master Sword thing is somewhere in game I tink.