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What exactly is it that differentiates a Sith and Dark Jedi.

For example Ventress could easily be classified as a dark jedi. She can claim she is a sith but dooku told her she is not.

What stops any dark jedi from becoming a sith and what exactly is the difference?

From Leland Chee: "A dark Jedi is anyone who practices the dark side of the Force whether or not they were a former Jedi."


It's brand recognition, frankly.

Yes but why could they not just claim they are a sith and why would they be lying?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yes but why could they not just claim they are a sith and why would they be lying? Ventress claimed she was and an official representative of the Sith denied her claim.


It's essentially a brand name. There have been so many incarnations with different philosophies and teachings that there really isn't an ubiquitous defining trait. Exar Kun and Uliq are called Sith by Marka Ragnos, while concomitantly an entire empire of Sith are hidden in the Unknown Regions. Same with them and Revan's "Sith" or Kreia's "Sith". Or Kaan's "Equal Sith" or Bane's "Two Sith" or Lumiya's... "Noble(?) Sith" or Krayt's "One".


Brand name. Many people claim it because of its historical significance. Like Mussolini spouting another Rome. They're similar people associating to a name.

In addition to brand name, there are specific Sith teachings and knowledge.

All the Sith orders can trace their teaching lineage back to the Hundred Years Darkness and the Sith that came from there in one way or another. Whether direct teacher-student lines, or in a few cases studying at the feet of holocrons of past Sith masters.



Sort of like how a random female darksider could claim to be a Nightsister, but unless she learned their style of magic, she's really not one and is just using the name.

Ventress claimed to be a Sith, but she had no training from anyone with Sith history at the time, she just combined Nightsister and Jedi training. Once she had some training with Dooku, she could more legitimately claim the title as she now had proper Sith teachings (if not as much as a Sith Lord Apprentice), and if Sidious and Dooku keeled over death, I'm sure she would've.

Which is pretty much what Lumiya did. I don't have a lot of respect for Lumiya's sith on the whole, but she was trained by Darth Vader in the ways of the Sith.

She was trained as an Emperor's Hand.

According to wookie Vader also trained her as his 'Shadow Hand'. She's listed under his apprentices.

As did Palpatine. To an extent.

Jah, she was like a Sith double agent type thing.

"Wookie" also says that Darth Bane's penis was like really small. You can't believe everything you read there.



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'Shadow Hand' is a term that refers to the Sith apprentice of a Sith Master. (It is also the term for Palpatine's master strategy to retake the galaxy in Dark Empire.) Lumiya was never trained by the Emperor in Sith arts. She was a glorified assassin and disposable pawn to him, nothing moar.



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Lumiya was an Imperial saboteur who infiltrated the Rebel Alliance. Luke shoots her down, Vader recovers her damaged body, realizes she's Force sensitive and begins to train her in a Galen Marek/Starkiller-capacity. He fears that Palpatine will inevitably discover this and, instead, halts the training and presents her to him for training as an Emperor's Hand. She's no Sith to Palpatine.

I never liked Lumiya for some reason. She was alright as just another remnant of Palpatine's agents, like Mara, Jerec, or Hethrir. But at least they were converted or killed---Lumiya was allowed to keep the Sith name going. Just another example of LucasArts brandishing their famous names to wrangle typical readers.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
Sith arts. Define preaze.

Sith arts, techniques or learning methods used exclusively or mostly-exclusive by the sith.

There's apparently a lot of sith tricks and such that help boost one's power that haven't really been detailed, hence it being such a big deal to many to get to be a sith lord's proper apprentice. And of course there's the more obvious stuff like thought-bomb, essence transfer, and similar rare and powerful techniques that are sith exclusive.

What technique or power can only be used (used, not learned/taught) by members of the Sith organization? You know like, once you're a member you can do this, but if you leave, you can not. What are they?

Remember Darth Caedus?

That. he

That's true, once Jacen Solo evolved in to Darth Caedus at level 36, he instantly learned Hyper Beam.

Unfortunately he already had 4 moves learnt so he had to ditch Clear Mind. Shame.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What technique or power can only be used (used, not learned/taught) by members of the Sith organization? You know like, once you're a member you can do this, but if you leave, you can not. What are they?


If you leave you don't *lose* them (hence 'mostly-exclusively'), but they still originate from the Sith. Cade Skywalker knows some sith arts for example.

Also, quite often if you leave, the other Sith kill you. So they tend not to get passed around too much.

"Dark Jedi" is a term spawned out of necessity. After all, if Ventress, Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos, Savage Opress, etc. would have all been dubbed "Sith", instead of "dark Jedi", it would have directly violated the rule of two- a rule Palpatine obviously abided by.

In short: it was essentially a way to introduce more dark side adepts to the mythos, without screwing up Sith continuity.

I like just calling them"darksiders" or "dark side adepts," or what have you rather than Dark Jedi, personally.

Originally posted by Galan007
"Dark Jedi" is a term spawned out of necessity. After all, if Ventress, Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos, Savage Opress, etc. would have all been dubbed "Sith", instead of "dark Jedi", it would have directly violated the rule of two- a rule Palpatine obviously abided by.

In short: it was essentially a way to introduce more dark side adepts to the mythos, without screwing up Sith continuity. Bingo.

Originally posted by Q99
In addition to brand name, there are specific Sith teachings and knowledge.

All the Sith orders can trace their teaching lineage back to the Hundred Years Darkness and the Sith that came from there in one way or another. Whether direct teacher-student lines, or in a few cases studying at the feet of holocrons of past Sith masters.



Sort of like how a random female darksider could claim to be a Nightsister, but unless she learned their style of magic, she's really not one and is just using the name.

Ventress claimed to be a Sith, but she had no training from anyone with Sith history at the time, she just combined Nightsister and Jedi training.


I agree with you entirely except for this bit...

Originally posted by Q99
Once she had some training with Dooku, she could more legitimately claim the title as she now had proper Sith teachings

Dooku didn't give her Sith teachings, just basic dark side techniques. This is shown in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous:

D: Have I not taught you many secrets?

V: Scraps. Little devices. Leser arts. Not nearly what you would if I were your apprentice sworn in blood.

Other than that you hit the nail right on the head.

Originally posted by Galan007
"Dark Jedi" is a term spawned out of necessity. After all, if Ventress, Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos, Savage Opress, etc. would have all been dubbed "Sith", instead of "dark Jedi", it would have directly violated the rule of two- a rule Palpatine obviously abided by.

In short: it was essentially a way to introduce more dark side adepts to the mythos, without screwing up Sith continuity.

Not really. The term Dark Jedi was used long before the whole Rule of Two thing was ever heard of.

Brakiss and the Shadow Academy trainees for example were referred to as Dark Jedi.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
I agree with you entirely except for this bit...


Dooku didn't give her Sith teachings, just basic dark side techniques. This is shown in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous:

D: Have I not taught you many secrets?

V: Scraps. Little devices. Leser arts. Not nearly what you would if I were your apprentice sworn in blood.

Other than that you hit the nail right on the head.


Yea. Even post-training she's not a true sith, but at least has some lesser sith knowledge and worked under a sith. If every other Sith died she could maybe take the position by default (kinda like Lumiya did), but it'd be a tenuous connection. As opposed to non-existant, like when she first claimed to be Sith.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
She was trained as an Emperor's Hand. hahaha, cause a apprentice who is scared shitless of his master can train "shadow hand"...no.Shadow hand is a rank of the ruleing sith of a cult of dark siders.they were the ones who resurected maul and there leader darth millenai(idk how to spell his name)was darth cognus's apprentice aka darth Zannaha's apprentice.

The Sith and Dark Jedi had two different agendas.

Sith followed a set of rules. Rule of two for example. One apprentice, one master. One to embrace the power and one to crave it.

A dark Jedi may have not given two shits about the code. They were really just out for themselves. A dark side force user didn't really care about galactic domination, while a Sith did.

The main difference here is that a dark Jedi would be contempt living out his days in seclusion while a Sith would always be looking at the bigger picture.

Sources: Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil, and Legacy of the Force: Tempest

Originally posted by akpwnz
Sith followed a set of rules. Rule of two for example. One apprentice, one master. One to embrace the power and one to crave it. Except during the Golden Age. And Exar Kun's empire. And Revan's empire. And the True Sith. And the Brotherhood of Darkness.

Originally posted by akpwnz
A dark Jedi may have not given two shits about the code. They were really just out for themselves. A dark side force user didn't really care about galactic domination, while a Sith did. Except for Joruus C'baoth. And Hethrir. And Desann. And Jerec. And Tavion. And Cronal. And others who I never cared to remember off hand.

EDIT: Looked them up: And Brakiss. And Kueller.

Dark Jedi lack a philosophy; unlike Sith, they lack an understanding about the necessity to follow the Dark Side of the Force. They see the dark side as a steroid that can grant them new powers. However, they will never reach the full potential of their dark abilities.

Yes, Anakin Skywalker fell to the Dark Side because of his selfish desire to prolong Padme's life. But he also saw many flaws in the world he was living in. When he became Sidious's apprentice, I feel he believed in Uthar Wyn's statement, "Without strife, your victory has no meaning. Without strife, you do not advance. Without strife, there is only stagnation."

And as for galactic domination, Dark Jedi would only care to satisfy their whims. Sith aim for domination because conflict is the key to change and evolution. And in a society run by Sith, only the strongest would prevail.