Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Who wins this wizard duel ?

It was explicitly stated that Nabu was the most powerful lord of order.

Originally posted by Galan007
It was explicitly stated that Nabu was the most powerful lord of order. Most powerful doesn't always mean most formidable though.

Meh, he still seemed superior to Shazam, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, he still seemed superior to Shazam, though. I'm undecided as to who to give this to but I'm leaning towards Nabu.

Nabu

Nabu.

Shazam's best feats require that he's in his place of power, ie. The Rock of Eternity. Nabu has no such restrictions.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nabu.

Shazam's best feats require that he's in his place of power, ie. The Rock of Eternity. Nabu has no such restrictions. Are his best feats basically his fight against the Spectre in dov ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are his best feats basically his fight against the Spectre in dov ?

Yes, by far. At least for Post Crisis. I wouldn't rate him over Mid-Skyfather myself.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, by far. At least for Post Crisis. I wouldn't rate him over Mid-Skyfather myself. Tis a shame he seems like a very interesting underutilized character. I also hate the sh-- out of the reboot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tis a shame he seems like a very interesting underutilized character. I also hate the sh-- out of the reboot.

As a big Captain Marvel/all things Shazam related fan, the Wizard himself is pretty underwhelming. He has impressive implied power as far as his relation to the Quintessence and the fact that the Rock of Eternity is essentially the conduit to most of Earth's magical energy, but his actual feats aren't that great.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
As a big Captain Marvel/all things Shazam related fan, the Wizard himself is pretty underwhelming. He has impressive implied power as far as his relation to the Quintessence and the fact that the Rock of Eternity is essentially the conduit to most of Earth's magical energy, but his actual feats aren't that great. That sucks since I have a liking for the lovable old fool.

Shazam at rock is probably superior. Shazam before he retired to rock is probably superior. He's mostly implied power but I still give him the nod over Nabu. Shazam is kinda the guy every other lord of order tends to at least somewhat defers too and I think Nabu only qualifies as strongest due to Shazam limitations. It's mostly personal opinion and conjecture he doesn't exactly have the most stellar list of feats considering he kinda just sits around.

Just as Fate is greater than Captain Marvel and Black Adam, Nabu is Shazam's superior.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Shazam at rock is probably superior. Shazam before he retired to rock is probably superior. He's mostly implied power but I still give him the nod over Nabu. Shazam is kinda the guy every other lord of order tends to at least somewhat defers too and I think Nabu only qualifies as strongest due to Shazam limitations. It's mostly personal opinion and conjecture he doesn't exactly have the most stellar list of feats considering he kinda just sits around. Something I just thought of...

When Spectre arrived at the RoE to kill Shazam, he (Shazam) was already quite weak after having just battled Mordru:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281960/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281961/s2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281962/s3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281963/s4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281964/s5.jpg.html
"The wrath of God fast approaches, and what shall it find waiting to oppose it? The shell of a foolish old man with barely enough strength left to stand."

But despite his weakened condition, Shazam was still able to fight Spectre on fairly equal footing, until Spectre recharged himself by absorbing magics from the RoE itself:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281965/s6.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281954/s7.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281955/s8.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281957/s9.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281958/s10.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281959/s11.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11281966/s12.jpg.html

Pretty impressive showing for the old man, imo.

It is impressive, but while he was weakened by Mordru, he had been prepping for some time. Not sure how that balances.

That damage Mordru is talking about reparing, what is he refering to?

Originally posted by Utrigita
That damage Mordru is talking about reparing, what is he refering to? The damage their battle caused to the Rock of Eternity. Mordru repaired it.

That's why it wasn't all f*cked up when Spectre got there.

Originally posted by Galan007
The damage their battle caused to the Rock of Eternity. Mordru repaired it.

Okay, it just didn't (from the scans) seem all that massive. But cool thanks.

^ As scans 2-4 demonstrate, they were blasting holes/craters all over the RoE.

Originally posted by Cogito
It is impressive, but while he was weakened by Mordru, he had been prepping for some time. Not sure how that balances. I agree we have to factor in Shazam was clearly weakened against the Spectre.

Agreed.

In my opinion, Shazam (albeit momentarily) beat Spectre. Granted they were in Shazam's place of power, but he still beat Spectre for a brief moment, while in a significantly weakened state--which is more than anyone else can claim. That's a huge feat, imo. Having said that, if Shazam and Nabu were to battle in the RoE, Nabu would probably still win -he's still the most powerful Lord of Order-, but he'd be very hard-pressed to do so, and would likely burn out/die afterward (as he did following his battle with Spectre.)

Originally posted by Cogito
It is impressive, but while he was weakened by Mordru, he had been prepping for some time. Not sure how that balances. wouldn't call it prep but more like he just had a bunch of really powerful shit on hand.

Originally posted by Uriel005
wouldn't call it prep but more like he just had a bunch of really powerful shit on hand. I agree that it wasn't necessarily prep based on the fact Mordru just weakened him prior to the Spectre arriving. Shazam did have home court advantage though.

Nabu has better feats - much better feats - than Shazam does. And he doesn't need a home field advantage to do so, either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree that it wasn't necessarily prep based on the fact Mordru just weakened him prior to the Spectre arriving. Shazam did have home court advantage though. oh definitely.

Shazam was weak and had to rely on his artifacts before Spectre destroyed him & ROE.

I want to contrast both Nabu & Shazams fights with Spectre in order to get some sort of power gauge but its too much context involved. Like the fact Nabu wanted Spectre to kill him, and Nabu sensing that Spectre had absorbed enough magic to easily stomp him. As well as what everybody else said concerning Shazam.

Nabu has tried to fight Spectre a few times, he knew he was no match already. He also knew Spectre was toying his way through the fights.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nabu has better feats - much better feats - than Shazam does. And he doesn't need a home field advantage to do so, either. Shazam, while extremely weakened, did better against Spectre than a full powered Nabu. Yes, Shazam was in the RoE (his place of power) but he still had "barely enough strength left to stand" by the time Spectre arrived--yet he managed to fight him on fairly equal footing. In fact, you could say that Shazam/Spectre's battle had two rounds--and Shazam won round 1, imo.

If Shazam and Nabu battled within the RoE, I have my doubts that Nabu could win. Outside the Rock, Nabu stomps.