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Scathan, owned and then restrained the Protege (even after the Celestial Muzzle was removed) while the Living Tribunal passed judgement on him. Protege at that point in time had surpassed the Living Tribunal himself and he claimed he was the new One Above All (he could have been bragging) and the Beyonder claimed that the fate of any and all realities rests on the shoulders of the Protege (and the entire Cosmic Court agreed with the statement).

I don't see Scathan losing this.

Scathan.

CA Superman, easy. Using the same logic as the second poster... the Mandrakk, CA Superman fought was more powerful then Spectre and Radiant together, he was so far above anyone else and treated to consume everything and CA Superman was the only being capable to stop him, that this is a nonfight. Since Spectre is at his best the equal of LT, even mighty Scathan has nothing to add to this fight.

As for lowballing Spectre, LT failed to kill too, was also owned more then once, so humor me if I still believe that LT is the most powerful cosmic in the MU if written properly, like the Spectre in the DCU and if I laught at the lowballing of those two.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
CA Superman, easy. Using the same logic as the second poster... the Mandrakk CA Superman fought was more powerful then Spectre and Radiant together, he was so far above anyone and treated to consume everything and CA superman was the only being capable to stop him. Since Spectre is at his best the equal of LT, even mighty Scathan has nothing to add to this fight.

As for lowballing Spectre, LT failed to kill too, was also owned more then once, so humor me if I still believe that LT is the most powerful cosmic in the MU if written properly, like the Spectre in the DCU^^.

The Spectre has FAR more humiliating showings than the LT. The Spectre is not the LT's equal at all, even at his "best". The LT has only been beaten outright by the power of the HoTU, the Protege, and two PISful alternate reality stories. That's it.

CA Superman wins.

Superman's Story does not need Scathan's Approval.

Originally posted by zopzop
The Spectre has FAR more humiliating showings than the LT. The Spectre is not the LT's equal at all, even at his "best". The LT has only been beaten outright by the power of the HoTU, the Protege, and two PISful alternate reality stories. That's it.
The Spectre had his own comic book series and appears quite often in DC books, which would explain... oh wait!
Alternate LT stories = canon to LT... I read once here on this boards.
Say what you want but if a DC Badass tries to destroy the Multiverse in an company event, alla Zero Hour or CotiE, then you see Spectre at his best levels, which compared to LT's showing against Thanos with the HOTU for example aren't that bad. In FC however he was a nonfactor to Mandrakk 2, which speaks volumes for CA Superman who fought Mandrakk 1.
BTW do you think that Scathan > THOTU > Protege>= LT ?
I win, thanks for playing .

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The Spectre had his own comic book series and appears quite often in DC books, which would explain... oh wait!
Alternate LT stories = canon to LT... I read once here on this boards.
Say what you want but if a DC Badass tries to destroy the Multiverse in an company event, alla Zero Hour or CotiE, then you see Spectre at his best levels, which compared to LT's showing against Thanos with the HOTU for example aren't that bad. In FC however he was a nonfactor to Mandrakk 2, which speaks volumes for CA Superman who fought Mandrakk 1.
BTW do you think that Scathan > THOTU > Protege>= LT ?
I win, thanks for playing .

You win at failing.

Regarding powerlevels of the beings you mentioned IMHO it's :
HOTU>Scathan>Protege>LT. The HotU loss can't be counted against the LT because that was literally TOAA's power in Thanos' hands (which TOAA allowed).

That leaves his loss vs the Protege and the two PISful alt reality showings. That's not bad at all.

Originally posted by Magnon CA Superman wins. Superman's Story does not need Scathan's Approval.

qft. scathan is overrated imo.

Superman easily.

Scathan, easily.

Originally posted by Deathmate Celestials are overrated. CAS wins this!

celestials are pretty powerful, but i generally agree with ya.

Not convinced one way or the other as of yet.

52 universes are pretty significant size compared to CAS.LT on the other hand held 2 megaverses in his palms each being a collection of multiverses each consisting of infinite number of universes.

LT vs CAS is spite of omniversal proportions.

Scathan vs CAS even more.

DC cosmics are not on the same level as Marvel's

I think Cosmic Armor Superman's feat is more impressive so...CAS.

Originally posted by Sabro
52 universes are pretty significant size compared to CAS.LT on the other hand held 2 megaverses in his palms each being a collection of multiverses each consisting of infinite number of universes.

LT vs CAS is spite of omniversal proportions.

Scathan vs CAS even more.

DC cosmics are not on the same level as Marvel's
Except the whole multiverse was a germ compared to CAS. That's not completely true, spectre has also held DC multiverse in his palm, but he was nothing to mandrakk 2 who was nothing to real mandrakk. ABC logic does wonders.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except the whole multiverse was a germ compared to CAS. That's not completely true, spectre has also held DC multiverse in his palm, but he was nothing to mandrakk 2 who was nothing to real mandrakk. ABC logic does wonders.

Nope, it was a germ to the Primal Monitor.Like I sad multiverse in Marvel has infinite number of universes.And LT held megaverses.That's not BC logic but comparing feats.

Originally posted by Sabro
Nope, it was a germ to the Primal Monitor.Like I sad multiverse in Marvel has infinite number of universes.And LT held megaverses.That's not BC logic but comparing feats.

DC = an Omniverse
Marvel = Omniverse

Omniverse = Omniverse, it doesn't matter how you break it down, Megaverses, Multiverses, Dimensions, Hyperspaces, Timelins etc. It ends with infinity.

Marvels 616 = DC Prime Universe, as was shown in the Crossover. Marvels 6161 = most important U in Marvel.
It's just a matter of terms, in the end you are stuck with an infinity vs an infinity.

Logic ftw.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It's just a matter of terms, in the end you are stuck with an infinity vs an infinity.

Logic ftw.
There are levels of infinity -
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1730/infinityx.th.jpg http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9893/infinityb.th.jpg

Logic FTW!

DC's a bit jumbled. In The Next, it was said that Superman saved the Omniverse. In 52, Rip Hunter said DC had a Megaverse or Metaverse. Always forget.

Originally posted by Sabro
52 universes are pretty significant size compared to CAS.LT on the other hand held 2 megaverses in his palms each being a collection of multiverses each consisting of infinite number of universes.

LT vs CAS is spite of omniversal proportions.

Scathan vs CAS even more.

DC cosmics are not on the same level as Marvel's I agree. Marvel's cosmics are a lot more impressive.

I disagree.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I disagree. You aren't knowledgeable enough to know the difference.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime I disagree.

id say they are about the same.

DC showcases and embraces their cosmics a lot more than Marvel does, especially lately. I'd kill to have a "cosmics" line of comics again instead of just waiting for random mini series, one shots, and events which go cosmic. I'm sick to death of all this street and meta level bullshit.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank DC showcases and embraces their cosmics a lot more than Marvel does, especially lately. I'd kill to have a "cosmics" line of comics again instead of just waiting for random mini series, one shots, and events which go cosmic. I'm sick to death of all this street and meta level bullshit.

you mean stuff like sandman and lucifer? swamp thing?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
DC's a bit jumbled. In The Next, it was said that Superman saved the Omniverse. In 52, Rip Hunter said DC had a Megaverse or Metaverse. Always forget.

Well Rip isn't omniscient, he just might not have known the full extent of it

I'm not even talking about Vertigo stuff. I suppose the aspects of the supernatural that Vertigo touches upon can definitely be considered "cosmic", though.

But no, just the basic DC stuff ie. the Green Lantern franchise.

i have a theory. remember when pandora said something about a higher order? do you think that could mean lucifer and michael? seeing as vertigo is merged its possible.

wildstorm has many cosmics i would like to see as with milestone.

Well, Spectre was mentioned by name by Phantom Stranger, so it's definitely possible we'll see Heaven and other forces get involved.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
id say they are about the same.

I agree. No bias

Scathan is not above LT, unless he's TOAA in disguise.

The Protege bit is some plot crap and I refuse to believe otherwise.

sneer

Originally posted by Cogito
Scathan is not above LT, unless he's TOAA in disguise.

The Protege bit is some plot crap and I refuse to believe otherwise.

sneer Unless you have proof then your opinion isn't rooted on anything reality based.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Unless you have proof then your opinion isn't rooted on anything reality based.
Glad you agree

Originally posted by Cogito
Glad you agree 99 percent of comics is plot based. LOL. Protege copied the Lt's powers on panel. I don't care if you don't like it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
99 percent of comics is plot based. LOL. Protege copied the Lt's powers on panel. I don't care if you don't like it.

First, I didn't deny that Protege copied LTs power.

Second, I agreed with you that my opinion is just that, and not "rooted on anything reality based"

Originally posted by Cogito
First, I didn't deny that Protege copied LTs power.

Second, I agreed with you that my opinion is just that, and not "rooted on anything reality based" I base my opinion off the comics I wish more posters were as honorable as myself.

kinda

Originally posted by Cogito
kinda Nvermind.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well Rip isn't omniscient, he just might not have known the full extent of it

I was just saying what Rip quoted.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
CA Superman, easy. Using the same logic as the second poster... the Mandrakk, CA Superman fought was more powerful then Spectre and Radiant together Actually, that was the second (watered down) version of Mandrakk: Rox Ogama.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
DC's a bit jumbled. In The Next, it was said that Superman saved the Omniverse. In 52, Rip Hunter said DC had a Megaverse or Metaverse. Always forget. Nah, Rip just commented that the previous DC multiverse would eventually evolve into a megaverse.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well Rip isn't omniscient, he just might not have known the full extent of it Where time/space/reality are concerned, Rip's word is incontrovertible.

Originally posted by Galan007
Actually, that was the second (watered down) version of Mandrakk: Rox Ogama.

Nah, Rip just commented that previous DC continuity would eventually evolve into a megaverse.

Where time/space/reality is concerned, Rip's word is incontrovertible.
So who wins here galan?

CA Supes, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
CA Supes, imo.
Then its proved, my lord.pray

Scathan did that one thing against a guy who barely did anything, but an outburst

CA Superman had a more prolonged battle against a guy who was eating the bleed, but still only contained in a couple pages.

One shot "hero" stops one shot "villian" vs the same thing on the other side.
Meh

Cellestial Muzzle ftw.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Scathan did that one thing against a guy who barely did anything, but an outburst

CA Superman had a more prolonged battle against a guy who was eating the bleed, but still only contained in a couple pages.

One shot "hero" stops one shot "villian" vs the same thing on the other side.
Meh

Which is why it's a perfect match.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Scathan did that one thing against a guy who barely did anything, but an outburst

CA Superman had a more prolonged battle against a guy who was eating the bleed, but still only contained in a couple pages.

One shot "hero" stops one shot "villian" vs the same thing on the other side.
Meh

But Protege didn't have to do anything, it was confirmed on panel by the Beyonder and everyone else at the court (with the exception of Scathan who just stood there silently):
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2688/godv.th.jpg http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1653/god2d.th.jpg http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5043/god3.th.jpg

The Handbook entry for the LT backs it up :
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9708/canonrm1.jpg

The party was over for the LT and all creation until Scathan stepped in.

To further cement the point, once Scathan subdued and muzzled a being that had surpassed the LT, the LT asked Scathan to remove the muzzle and restrain him while the LT passed judgement. To prove that the Protege still had all the power he had observed the LT needed to draw power from the Eye of Agamotto (an object that the Protege hadn't seen/duplicated yet) to pass judgement and imprison the Protege. So Scathan was restraining a being that was AT LEAST the equal to the LT in power.

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LOL @ Protege summoning Mephisto. I'll post a funny post later, but Protege is pretty much all hype from what I see.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
LOL @ Protege summoning Mephisto. I'll post a funny post later, but Protege is pretty much all hype from what I see.

Prep, at least look at the scans? The Beyonder straight up stated : The fate of any and all realties now rests upon that boy's shoulders. The Living Tribunal CONFIRMED this.

Originally posted by zopzop
Prep, at least look at the scans? The Beyonder straight up stated : The fate of any and all realties now rests upon that boy's shoulders. The Living Tribunal CONFIRMED this.

So, Protege could have been equal to TOAA?? Anyway, here is the quote and I'm pretty much in agreement.

Originally posted by zopzop
But Protege didn't have to do anything, it was confirmed on panel by the Beyonder and everyone else at the court (with the exception of Scathan who just stood there silently):
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2688/godv.th.jpg http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1653/god2d.th.jpg http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5043/god3.th.jpg

The Handbook entry for the LT backs it up :
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9708/canonrm1.jpg

The party was over for the LT and all creation until Scathan stepped in.

To further cement the point, once Scathan subdued and muzzled a being that had surpassed the LT, the LT asked Scathan to remove the muzzle and restrain him while the LT passed judgement. To prove that the Protege still had all the power he had observed the LT needed to draw power from the Eye of Agamotto (an object that the Protege hadn't seen/duplicated yet) to pass judgement and imprison the Protege. So Scathan was restraining a being that was AT LEAST the equal to the LT in power.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3623/holdl.th.jpg http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/205/hold2.th.jpg http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/310/hold3.th.jpg http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/4471/hold4.th.jpg Didn't read

Originally posted by Prep-Man
So, Protege could have been equal to TOAA??

No, didn't you read the scans? The Living Tribunal told him to his face, that "power beyond this level of existence is meaningless". At best he was greater than the LT but less than Scathan. \

And that quote means nothing, on panel info backed up by handbook entry > forum user's opinion.

Proof that quote means nothing :
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2377/eyemc.th.jpg

The LT needed to draw extra power from an object that the Protege hadn't' duplicated yet to pass judgement and absorb the Protege.

Not when he was killed by LT. Story looks like crap, tbh.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Not when he was killed by LT. Story looks like crap, tbh.

Look at my previous post. The LT needed to draw power from an object that Protege hadn't duplicated yet to pass judgement and absorb him. I even included a scan as proof.

And it don't matter if the story sucked, it's canon.

Which still doesn't make sense. LT must be weak sauce then.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Which still doesn't make sense. LT must be weak sauce then.

It doesn't have to make sense, it's a comic. The LT can be weaksauce and it still doesn't' change the fact that the Protege almost conquered Marvel reality in the 31st Century and was only stopped by Scathan.

Eh, agree to disagree.

Scathan ftw.

Scathan.

CA Superman win. Read the comic people, understand what the author(s) were trying to do with Superman's story.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
CA Superman win. Read the comic people, understand what the author(s) were trying to do with Superman's story.





no.

Originally posted by CortSether



no.
Yes. Being ignorant is another thing, but being an ignorant imbecile another. Not that I'm calling you that.

Scathan The Approver does not approve of CA Superman.

Remove the "ca'" and "h" in Scathan and you get Stan the Approver

Originally posted by xJLxKing
CA Superman win. Read the comic people, understand what the author(s) were trying to do with Superman's story. Scathan ftw.

Originally posted by Igniz
Scathan The Approver does not approve of CA Superman.

Remove the "ca'" and "h" in Scathan and you get Stan the Approver

Superman does not need his approval.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Superman does not need his approval. In this thread he does.

Originally posted by Galan007
Actually, that was the second (watered down) version of Mandrakk: Rox Ogama.

Nah, Rip just commented that the previous DC multiverse would eventually evolve into a megaverse.

Where time/space/reality are concerned, Rip's word is incontrovertible.

How many Rip Hunters are there in the multiverse? And what issue did he state that there were infinite amounts of universes?

Scathan disapproves . CAS loses .

CAS doesn't care if he disapproves.

Scathan does not approve.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
How many Rip Hunters are there in the multiverse? And what issue did he state that there were infinite amounts of universes?

For Galan.

CAS, easy

Originally posted by Prep-Man
CAS doesn't care if he disapproves.
Doesn't matter what CAS cares about . Scathan disapproves .

CA superman.

Why didn't Protege copy Scanthan's power? Scanthan was used as a judge probably by TOAA. Protege was already more powerful than Scanthan by displacing LT and could have destroyed him. But he didn't and couldn't because TOAA was using Scanthan to disprove. Protege couldn't copy TOAA's powers for the same reason he couldn't duplicate the powers of the eye of agamotto. He hadn't seen TOAA yet, TOAA had to defeat the protege without confrontation. Scanthan by himself is nothing compared to LT but in this arc was a tool used by TOAA to save Marvel's reality. This also explains LT's line " Power is meaningless beyond this level of existence". All the power the Protege obtained and he was defeated by a single aspect of TOAA. With that said, we know what Mandrake did to DC's version of the cosmic judge, 2 aspects of the presence, his wrath and his love and CA Superman was more powerful. This really is spite, CA Superman wins.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Why didn't Protege copy Scanthan's power? Scanthan was used as a judge probably by TOAA. Protege was already more powerful than Scanthan by displacing LT and could have destroyed him. But he didn't and couldn't because TOAA was using Scanthan to disprove. Protege couldn't copy TOAA's powers for the same reason he couldn't duplicate the powers of the eye of agamotto. He hadn't seen TOAA yet, TOAA had to defeat the protege without confrontation. Scanthan by himself is nothing compared to LT but in this arc was a tool used by TOAA to save Marvel's reality. This also explains LT's line " Power is meaningless beyond this level of existence". All the power the Protege obtained and he was defeated by a single aspect of TOAA. With that said, we know what Mandrake did to DC's version of the cosmic judge, 2 aspects of the presence, his wrath and his love and CA Superman was more powerful. This really is spite, CA Superman wins.

Do you actually have even a shred evidence to back any of this speculation up? Generally reading the comic, it just seems Scathan is above LT. So yeah, he beats CA Superman.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Why didn't Protege copy Scanthan's power? Scanthan was used as a judge probably by TOAA. Protege was already more powerful than Scanthan by displacing LT and could have destroyed him. But he didn't and couldn't because TOAA was using Scanthan to disprove. Protege couldn't copy TOAA's powers for the same reason he couldn't duplicate the powers of the eye of agamotto. He hadn't seen TOAA yet, TOAA had to defeat the protege without confrontation. Scanthan by himself is nothing compared to LT but in this arc was a tool used by TOAA to save Marvel's reality. This also explains LT's line " Power is meaningless beyond this level of existence". All the power the Protege obtained and he was defeated by a single aspect of TOAA. With that said, we know what Mandrake did to DC's version of the cosmic judge, 2 aspects of the presence, his wrath and his love and CA Superman was more powerful. This really is spite, CA Superman wins.
If you're referring to the object that LT clandestinely drew power from , it was the Amulet of the Ancient One . Not Agamotto's Eye . Unless and until there is proof that the 2 objects are one and the same(which I doubt) .

Originally posted by Terryc250
Do you actually have even a shred evidence to back any of this speculation up? Generally reading the comic, it just seems Scathan is above LT. So yeah, he beats CA Superman.

Are you saying that LT + the Eye(or whatever he used) is more powerful that TOAA? Nope

Eventhough Protege was able to take over he was still insignifcant to TOAA who only had to use one aspect of his power to muzzle him. All the power in this existence is meaningless (LT's own words). So basically LT is telling us that a higher authority was involved to which allt he power in this existence is nothing.


Scanthan isn't even the most powerful Celestial, he did one thing and only one thing in this arc and that was to judge against protege. He's never shown this type of power prior to this and after this arc which further explains that he was used by TOAA.

Scathan is a Celestial from the 31st Century.

That was the only arc he appeared in, so his whole history, character make-up and feats,
are all based on that arc.

Whether or not Scathan was sent by TOAA is inconsequential.

Because we'll never know.

What we do know, is that if used in a VS Forum ...

... Scathan is > Protege

Protege > The LT + Eternity + Hawkgod + Beyonder + Mephisto/Malevolence + GOTG.

Scathan is referenced in two separate official Handbooks, (LT & Celestials)
as the saviour of reality in that scenario with Protege.

-----------------------------------------


One last thing:

Suggesting or actually quantifying Scathan as a single aspect of TOAA,
or any fragment of any size or order,
and then comparing it to an aspect of DC's supreme being,
is utterly ridiculous and based on pure unsupported, unprovable fantasy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scathan is a Celestial from the 31st Century.

That was the only arc he appeared in, so his whole history, character make-up and feats,
are all based on that arc.

Whether or not Scathan was sent by TOAA is inconsequential.

Because we'll never know.

What we do know, is that if used in a VS Forum ...

... Scathan is > Protege

Protege > The LT + Eternity + Hawkgod + Beyonder + Mephisto/Malevolence + GOTG.

Scathan is referenced in two separate official Handbooks, (LT & Celestials)
as the saviour of reality in that scenario with Protege.

-----------------------------------------


One last thing:

Suggesting or actually quantifying Scathan as a single aspect of TOAA,
or any fragment of any size or order,
and then comparing it to an aspect of DC's supreme being,
is utterly ridiculous and based on pure unsupported, unprovable fantasy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scathan is a Celestial from the 31st Century.

That was the only arc he appeared in, so his whole history, character make-up and feats,
are all based on that arc.

Whether or not Scathan was sent by TOAA is inconsequential.

Because we'll never know.

What we do know, is that if used in a VS Forum ...

... Scathan is > Protege

Protege > The LT + Eternity + Hawkgod + Beyonder + Mephisto/Malevolence + GOTG.

Scathan is referenced in two separate official Handbooks, (LT & Celestials)
as the saviour of reality in that scenario with Protege.

-----------------------------------------


One last thing:

Suggesting or actually quantifying Scathan as a single aspect of TOAA,
or any fragment of any size or order,
and then comparing it to an aspect of DC's supreme being,
is utterly ridiculous and based on pure unsupported, unprovable fantasy.

Celestial Muzzle ftw.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scathan is a Celestial from the 31st Century.

That was the only arc he appeared in, so his whole history, character make-up and feats,
are all based on that arc.

Whether or not Scathan was sent by TOAA is inconsequential.

Because we'll never know.

What we do know, is that if used in a VS Forum ...

... Scathan is > Protege

Protege > The LT + Eternity + Hawkgod + Beyonder + Mephisto/Malevolence + GOTG.

Scathan is referenced in two separate official Handbooks, (LT & Celestials)
as the saviour of reality in that scenario with Protege.

-----------------------------------------


One last thing:

Suggesting or actually quantifying Scathan as a single aspect of TOAA,
or any fragment of any size or order,
and then comparing it to an aspect of DC's supreme being,
is utterly ridiculous and based on pure unsupported, unprovable fantasy.

But you and I both know that that feat is nothing compared to what She-Hulk can do

Scatman ftw.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Why didn't Protege copy Scanthan's power? Scanthan was used as a judge probably by TOAA. Protege was already more powerful than Scanthan by displacing LT and could have destroyed him. But he didn't and couldn't because TOAA was using Scanthan to disprove. Protege couldn't copy TOAA's powers for the same reason he couldn't duplicate the powers of the eye of agamotto. He hadn't seen TOAA yet, TOAA had to defeat the protege without confrontation. Scanthan by himself is nothing compared to LT but in this arc was a tool used by TOAA to save Marvel's reality. This also explains LT's line " Power is meaningless beyond this level of existence". All the power the Protege obtained and he was defeated by a single aspect of TOAA. With that said, we know what Mandrake did to DC's version of the cosmic judge, 2 aspects of the presence, his wrath and his love and CA Superman was more powerful. This really is spite, CA Superman wins.

I don't think it's spite. Scathan can win a few.

Superman's story > the whole Protege arc

CA Superman

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Superman's story > the whole Protege arc That makes no sense. It's subjective anyway. Protege arc was ten times better than Final crisis.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon Superman's story > the whole Protege arc

that is a given.

Originally posted by Mr Master


One last thing:

Suggesting or actually quantifying Scathan as a single aspect of TOAA,
or any fragment of any size or order,
and then comparing it to an aspect of DC's supreme being,
is utterly ridiculous and based on pure unsupported, unprovable fantasy.

Basically you call my post a rediculous unsupported fantasy? Nice!!!! but I'll let this slide because i like reading your posts. I may not always agree with with them but I like reading them.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scathan is a Celestial from the 31st Century.

That was the only arc he appeared in, so his whole history, character make-up and feats,
are all based on that arc.

Did did he defeat or destroy Protege? Right, I don't think so, all i saw was a stalemate until LT was able to aquire this artifact to absorb him,

Originally posted by Mr Master

Whether or not Scathan was sent by TOAA is inconsequential.
Because we'll never know.

As a result, you can't dismiss it, and if you consider that LT was/is the cosmic judge couldn't stop protege but alluded to power outside of this existence. Scantan is part of "existence", thus he was used for this purpose by something from outside. TOAA? who else is above LT?



Originally posted by Mr Master


What we do know, is that if used in a VS Forum ...

... Scathan is > Protege

I would love to see the forumla behind this proof. So Scantan is > then Protege just because KMC accepts it? I'll take the high road and not redicule you for this.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Protege > The LT + Eternity + Hawkgod + Beyonder + Mephisto/Malevolence + GOTG.

Never said otherwise.
but that's protege > the LT and fodder when compared to LT.


Originally posted by Mr Master



Scathan is referenced in two separate official Handbooks, (LT & Celestials)
as the saviour of reality in that scenario with Protege.

Again, just like Thanos in The End.
can you answer these 2 questions please?

1) Do you think the Protege could have copied TOAA?
2) And did Scanthan truely destroy Protege?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
that is a given. That's subjective.

Originally posted by Diesldude Basically you call my post a rediculous unsupported fantasy? Nice!!!! but I'll let this slide because i like reading your posts. I may not always agree with with them but I like reading them. Did did he defeat or destroy Protege? Right, I don't think so, all i saw was a stalemate until LT was able to aquire this artifact to absorb him, As a result, you can't dismiss it, and if you consider that LT was/is the cosmic judge couldn't stop protege but alluded to power outside of this existence. Scantan is part of "existence", thus he was used for this purpose by something from outside. TOAA? who else is above LT? I would love to see the forumla behind this proof. So Scantan is > then Protege just because KMC accepts it? I'll take the high road and not redicule you for this. Never said otherwise. but that's protege > the LT and fodder when compared to LT. Again, just like Thanos in The End. can

i dount protege could have. either way, it was a s hit story.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Originally posted by Diesldude Basically you call my post a rediculous unsupported fantasy? Nice!!!! but I'll let this slide because i like reading your posts. I may not always agree with with them but I like reading them. Did did he defeat or destroy Protege? Right, I don't think so, all i saw was a stalemate until LT was able to aquire this artifact to absorb him, As a result, you can't dismiss it, and if you consider that LT was/is the cosmic judge couldn't stop protege but alluded to power outside of this existence. Scantan is part of "existence", thus he was used for this purpose by something from outside. TOAA? who else is above LT? I would love to see the forumla behind this proof. So Scantan is > then Protege just because KMC accepts it? I'll take the high road and not redicule you for this. Never said otherwise. but that's protege > the LT and fodder when compared to LT. Again, just like Thanos in The End. can

i dount protege could have. either way, it was a s hit story. Edit this mess. It's almost impossible to make anything out of this.

Originally posted by Prep-Man


i dount protege could have. either way, it was a s hit story. that's cool, i pretty much agree with most of what you post but i want to see what mr. M has to say about this before I give my opinion.

Originally posted by CortSether

But you and I both know that that feat is nothing compared to what She-Hulk can do
Classic She-Hulk > Marvel

Originally posted by Diesldude

Basically you call my post a rediculous unsupported fantasy?
Nice!!!! but I'll let this slide because i like reading your posts. I
may not always agree with with them but I like reading them.
I meant no direct offense friend.
I just skimmed through the thread and highlighted outlandish claims.

That aside, I do appreciate the recognition.
Originally posted by Diesldude

Did did he defeat or destroy Protege?

Right, I don't think so,
all i saw was a stalemate until LT was able to aquire this artifact to absorb him
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Here, Protege prepares to remake all creation. (including the LT and company)

The last scan shows Scathan's power interrupting Protege:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736168_P9.jpg

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Scathan stomping Protege with a gesture:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736169_P10.jpg


Protege is rendered in-affective with his mighty gesture:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/736170_P11.jpg


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Originally posted by Diesldude

As a result, you can't dismiss it, and if you consider that LT was/is
the cosmic judge couldn't stop protege but alluded to power outside of this
existence. Scantan is part of "existence", thus he was used for this purpose by
something from outside. TOAA? who else is above LT?
My friend, I think I was the first to suggest that Scathan was sent directly by the power above the LT.

Still, whether that idea is plausible or unlikely doesn't change the character Scathan.

We can't debate based on unsupported implied status/power that are further based on logical assumptions.

So therefore all we have is Scathan, and his portrayals in the arc.
Originally posted by Diesldude

I would love to see the forumla behind this proof.

So Scantan is > then Protege just because KMC accepts it?
"because KMC accepts it?" ...

My friend, more like because it's right there on panel (above)
and also supported by the LT's own bio.

Here's more depictions ... plus the corroborated support via official Handbook info.

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The LT (while Scathan restrains Protege physically)
absorbs Protege into the 'Eternal Hourglass' which lies within the LT:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/441453_Pro10.jpg

Again,
it's Scathan that has the last say in the matter (sorta speak)

"And so it ends, and Scathan approves"



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This is PROOF that Protege had surpassed the LT in power.

Evidently what the LT said earlier was true,
they were indeed going to need the 'Ancient One's Amulet'
the LT specifically.

Here we learn that the LT was using the 'Ancient One's Amulet'
as a source of power to increase his own in order to deal with Protege:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/441454_Pro11.jpg


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As for the Handbook account:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - LT bio 2006)


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LT's bio also corroborates what took place on panel in the GOTG arc,
it also clearly states that Scathan saved Realty:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/441478_LT.jpg

"LT was nearly usurped by Protege,
whose ability to duplicate the powers of others
allowed him to manifest the LT's own power."

(had it not been for Scathan, Protege would've replaced the LT)

srugdoped
Originally posted by Diesldude

Again, just like Thanos in The End.
Huh?
Originally posted by Diesldude

can you answer these 2 questions please?

1) Do you think the Protege could have copied TOAA?

2) And did Scanthan truely destroy Protege?
1) No. Everything that takes place on/in, or is related to, the canvas (Omniverse)
is nothing but paper and ink to TOAA, (representative avatars of writers/artists)
including Protege his whole arc and all else since the inception of Marvel to it's present.

2) Scathan stomped Protege,
right before Protege was about to obliterate the everyone there (including LT)

Then Scathan physically restrained Protege (even without the energy muzzle)
while the LT amped his power to pass final judgement on Protege.

The LT absorbed Protege, to keep him imprisoned for all eternity.

^ As I said before, the name Scathan might be a play in words.His name closely resembles Stan Lee.And I remember reading a comic book were Stan Lee stated that he wont let anyone destroy the Marvel Universe

So the notion that Scathan could be TOAA or one of his aspects isn't wrong to think about.So I think Scathan wins this.