Full potential Korvac vs Rune Thor and Superboy Prime

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lilshogun
The Korvac where he was shut off by LT preventing him from going to other realities challenges Rune Thor and Superboy Prime.

Sin I AM
korvac stomps.....too powerful

zopzop
Rune King Thor wins. You are basically using a "What If" version of a character, Korvac.

What if Korvac sh@t his pants at the arrival of an alien space armada and resorted to suicide using the Ultimate Nullifier. What's stopping Rune King Thor from creating an alien armada and wtfpwning What If Korvac with it?

PS What if Korvac had help from a special someone.

Mr Master
Originally posted by zopzop

What if Korvac sh@t his pants at the arrival of an alien space
armada and resorted to suicide using the Ultimate Nullifier.
I don't remember Korvac being frightened for one moment.

I just skimmed to the relevant pages of the issue and I still don't see it.

Actually what happened is explained here:
Originally posted by leonidas

pretty much.
the watcher even SAYS he knew korvac could have handled things differently if he chose.
he could simply have teleported away.
he could have fought them at the end but he DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT.
he wanted the universe to accept him.
he even thought he could FORCE that acceptance.
when it was clear they never would, he decided to end everything.
it had nothing whatsoever to do with being afraid. the word
DISHEARTENED is used specifically.

why did he "desperately" absorb power? who knows.
maybe he thought he could intimidate them into submission,
maybe he thought he needed MORE power to use the UN properly.
maybe there were a 1000 reed richards in that armada!
he DID view that collective as a final challenge--they were a final challenge to his ability to RULE,
to bring them to HIS side. a challenge he was unable to overcome via intimidation or any other way.
he never wanted the universe destroyed.
he wanted it to accept him. only when it wouldn't did he succumb
to his suicidal tendency (as he did in the avengers arc) and destroy everything.

i see the armada as a symbol of the universe's resistance,
nothing more.
to look at it in any other way only leads to all the nonsensical
detail-mongering that has been repeated ad nauseum in this thread.
Originally posted by Bentley

Korvac was going to release his hate,
didn't even considered a pacific notion and ranted about punishing the universe just before.
Then Korvac -who according to his own beliefs was making the
universe better- tries to stick with his shtick and give the armada an out,
you think this goes against the destroying-the-universe notion?
It doesn't.
Korvac is confirming his suspicion all along: his plan of perfect order is
countered by the fact the armada won't stop and chaos will reign.

Let's recall that Korvac wanted perfect order,
but as he fought on Chaos was growing bigger.
This is just the final expression of that Chaos.
Add that to the many arguments for Korvac not-fearing-the-armada's-
power already explained during this whole thread.
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(on panel display of said explanations in not so many words)

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/9801946_Kor1.jpg
Originally posted by zopzop

What's stopping Rune King Thor from creating an alien armada and wtfpwning What If Korvac with it?
Come on Zop, laughing out loud
we got kids in here that'll take that comedy serious and use it as ammo in other debates,
or other sites,
further spreading ignorance and worse yet creating new "clueless" Joes.
Originally posted by zopzop

PS What if Korvac had help from a special someone.
Yet, we'll never know how Death helped Korvac,
except that we know she manipulated the set-up,
which was to get Korvac to destroy the Universe.

So we can't blindly assume she had direct involvement in Korvac's power-up,
since there's absolutely no evident of any kind to suggest such (on panel or bios)

As far as Korvac defending himself against the "nova" sun blast,
I'm certain considering the accumulation of power he had by then,
he could've easily deflected that nonsense. (stupidity on Gruenwald's part)

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All that aside ....

In THIS story:

Korvac defeated with the exception of the LT:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/9738078_Kor6.jpg

"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"

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Makes sense?

Nah.

Perhaps Gruenwald on lifted on shrooms or that good ol' sticky stinky greenery.

Blight
Oh god. Wasn't this all done in a thread a year ago? One in which a poster suddenly stopped posting?

TheLordofMurder
Korvac rage stomps RKT and Superboy Prime...

This version of Korvac was not only powerful enough to one-shot-kill Abstracts, but gained the power of every being he struck down (which includes the power of a Full Cube Being and power of every Celestial that was on Earth at that point)...

This is spite against the team...

Sixth_Winged
Yeah this is spite lol. For all their power, team 2 combined ain't good enough to give what-if Korvac a run for his money.

Endless Mike
Korvac

zopzop
Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't remember Korvac being frightened for one moment.

I just skimmed to the relevant pages of the issue and I still don't see it.

Actually what happened is explained here:


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(on panel display of said explanations in not so many words)

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/9801946_Kor1.jpg

Come on Zop, laughing out loud
we got kids in here that'll take that comedy serious and use it as ammo in other debates,
or other sites,
further spreading ignorance and worse yet creating new "clueless" Joes.

Yet, we'll never know how Death helped Korvac,
except that we know she manipulated the set-up,
which was to get Korvac to destroy the Universe.

So we can't blindly assume she had direct involvement in Korvac's power-up,
since there's absolutely no evident of any kind to suggest such (on panel or bios)

As far as Korvac defending himself against the "nova" sun blast,
I'm certain considering the accumulation of power he had by then,
he could've easily deflected that nonsense. (stupidity on Gruenwald's part)

=========================


All that aside ....

In THIS story:

Korvac defeated with the exception of the LT:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/9738078_Kor6.jpg

"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"

-----------------------------------------------------------

Makes sense?

Nah.

Perhaps Gruenwald on lifted on shrooms or that good ol' sticky stinky greenery.

But he DID panic at the coming of the armada. In fact he was going to deal with the various "gods and demons" attempting to break through his little barrier, but he stopped what he was doing and dropped the idea once the armada materialized in the solar system.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5236/stopzs.th.jpg

It's true we don't how Death helped Korvac, but that's not the issue. The issue is he DID help Korvac and he even made a cameo appearance as Korvac was absorbing the power of everyone on the planet Earth :
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3752/specialfriend.th.jpg
Do you see Korvac's special friend in these scans? Look closely and you'll find him.

What's more, that scan you posted is from the Wandering the World of the What If issue of Quasar and it's not the same What If universe from the original What If the Avengers were pawns of Korvac issue. The proof is, in the original What If Korvac issue, the moon was destroyed in the tug of war between Stranger and Korvac. This happened BEFORE Korvac panicked and used the Nullifier to destroy the universe In that Quasar What If universe, the moon is still there and that's how Quasar escaped that universe before it was nullified, by going to the Watcher's moon base and using his view mirror to escape. This couldn't be the same What If Korvac universe from the 80s because the moon was destroyed PRIOR to Korvac unleashing the UN, hence Quasar couldn't have used the moon base mirror to escape.

All this is pointless anyway since the being in this VS thread is from a What If universe and has no bearing on 616 Korvac. I thought What If/alternate reality versions of characters were disqualified from VS threads?

iceman24567
Korvac

Sr J-Bieb
How in the shit is this Korvac "full potential"?

The guy stole some power, that's not his potential.

Mr Master
Originally posted by zopzop

But he DID panic at the coming of the armada.
Korvac had the combined power of:

The Collector - The Grandmaster - The Gardner - The Inbetweener - The Stranger - the High Evolutionary




And also ...

The Shaper of Worlds - The Celestials - The Earth's biosphere, lol and every being on Earth.



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Remember, when Korvac first focused on the Armada
he didn't believe he was more powerful than every being in the universe combined.

Yet at the end, right before he triggers the UN,
he expanded his awareness and actually became one with everything in the Universe,
in fact, one with Eternity.

So was Korvac just not completely confident at that point, or clueless?

Or was Greunwald forced inconsistencies he thought would slip the reader's grasp?

I bet he wasn't counting on meticulous aficionados, like ourselves. smile
Originally posted by zopzop

It's true we don't how Death helped Korvac, but that's not the issue.
The issue is he DID help Korvac and he even made a cameo appearance as

Korvac was absorbing the power of everyone on the planet Earth :

Do you see Korvac's special friend in these scans? Look closely and you'll find him.
What, Korvac's shadow that looks like a face?

Death was in Korvac's heart, Korvac wanted the Universe to die:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11660392_K10.jpg

So, imo, that's just symbolism via Korvac's shadow on the artist's part portraying Korvac's feelings.
Originally posted by zopzop

What's more, that scan you posted is from the Wandering the World of the What If
issue of Quasar and it's not the same What If universe from the original What If the
Avengers were pawns of Korvac issue. The proof is, in the original What If Korvac
issue, the moon was destroyed in the tug of war between Stranger and Korvac.
happened BEFORE Korvac panicked and used the Nullifier to destroy the universe
In that Quasar What If universe, the moon is still there and that's how Quasar
escaped that universe before it was nullified, by going to the Watcher's moon base
and using his view mirror to escape. This couldn't be the same What If Korvac
universe from the 80s because the moon was destroyed PRIOR to Korvac
unleashing the UN, hence Quasar couldn't have used the moon base mirror to
escape.
Uhh, stop right there friend ... no freaking way.

You're really reaching into specifics obviously overlooked by the writer in the Quasar book.

Regardless, there is no doubt it's the same alternate Reality from the original 1982 What If.


What If #32 - 1982

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11660476_K6.jpg


Quasar #30 - 1992

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11660477_K5.jpg


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What If #32 - 1982

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11660480_K7.jpg


Quasar #30 - 1992

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11660479_K4.jpg


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*** As you can see, the artist in the Quasar book 10 years later
goes out of his way to make the scenes identical in art and dialogue. ***

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Both versions ended exactly the same way, Korvac nullifying the Universe.

There's no way two alternate realities can be identical all the way through to the end.

That aside,

Marvunapp (offiicallly sponsored Marvel Comics site)

Also tells us Quasar went through the original 1982 What If reality Korvac erased:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm

Originally posted by zopzop

All this is pointless anyway since the being in this VS thread is from a What If
universe and has no bearing on 616 Korvac. I thought What If/alternate reality
versions of characters were disqualified from VS threads?
Thread starter specified What If Korvac.

zopzop
Originally posted by Mr Master
Korvac had the combined power of:

The Collector - The Grandmaster - The Gardner - The Inbetweener - The Stranger - the High Evolutionary


And also ...

The Shaper of Worlds - The Celestials - The Earth's biosphere, lol and every being on Earth.


-----------------------------

Remember, when Korvac first focused on the Armada
he didn't believe he was more powerful than every being in the universe combined.

Yet at the end, right before he triggers the UN,
he expanded his awareness and actually became one with everything in the Universe,
in fact, one with Eternity.

So was Korvac just not completely confident at that point, or clueless?

Or was Greunwald forced inconsistencies he thought would slip the reader's grasp?

I bet he wasn't counting on meticulous aficionados, like ourselves. smile

But the scans clearly show him :
a) stopping what he was doing (facing off vs the gods and demons attempting to break through his barrier) and turning in fear/suprise/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to the alien armada that just warped into the solar system
b) then you have him saying he "won't give up without a fight and must arm himself" to face them down
c) then you have the narration saying Korvac was "desperately amassing power" from everything on Earth. When was "desperately" doing anything when he was facing off vs the cosmics/abstracts, yet for this alien armada he was "desperately amassing power" and he had to "arm himself" before he faced them down.



Sorry, this can't be the case. The face has skeletal features and it's grimacing, yet Korvac wasn't happy at all. He was desperate and angry. His emotions don't match up with that being in that scan.



Nope, it cannot be the same universe. Here's why :
Here it is in the original story -
The moon was destroyed in a tug of war between Stranger and Korvac
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8091/tugofwaroriginal.th.jpg

Then several panels later, Korvac threatens to use the Nullifier and is confronted by the Watcher
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8896/threatenoriginal.th.jpg

In this universe, the moon was destroyed PRIOR to the final showdown with the armada and nullification.

Yet in the Quasar issue
Quasar emerges from the moon portal
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5733/offmoon.th.jpg

Yet there is the final showdown with the alien armada
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1433/threaten2.th.jpg

And Quasar escapes by flying through the moon portal
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4585/moonfine.th.jpg

How can this be? In the original What If the moon was destroyed PRIOR to these events, but in the Quasar issue, the moon is there and just fine. They MUST be two different universes. Otherwise, how can you explain why the moon is still around in the Quasar issue, yet destroyed and gone in the original What If universe by the time Korvac confronts the alien armada?



Yeah, it wasn't directed at you Mr. M, LoM knows that alternate reality/non canon appearances aren't valid in VS threads. Or at least that's how it used to be.

TheLordofMurder
I didnt make this thread...

Mr Master
Originally posted by zopzop


But the scans clearly show him :
a) stopping what he was doing (facing off vs the gods and demons
attempting to break through his barrier) and turning in
fear/suprise/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to the alien armada that
just warped into the solar system
) then you have him saying he "won't give up without a fight and
must arm himself" to face them down
c) then you have the narration saying Korvac was "desperately
amassing power" from everything on Earth. When was
desperately" doing anything when he was facing off vs the
cosmics/abstracts, yet for this alien armada he was "desperately
amassing power" and he had to "arm himself" before he faced them down.
So he was "desperately amassing" more power,
cause he noticed every being in the entire Universe coming at em,
cool, so he didn't know he was powerful enough.

This doesn't change the fact that he was as powerful as he'd become.

At the end he proved capable of becoming one with Eternity,
and decided to erase the Universe anyway.
Originally posted by zopzop

Sorry, this can't be the case. The face has skeletal features and it's
grimacing, yet Korvac wasn't happy at all. He was desperate and
angry. His emotions don't match up with that being in that scan.
Are you implying Death was empowering Korvac?

If not, what your point?

That Death decided to make a cameo as Korvac approached the crescendo of the story?

Means nothing if so.
Originally posted by zopzop


Nope, it cannot be the same universe. Here's why :
Here it is in the original story -
The moon was destroyed in a tug of war between Stranger and Korvac

Then several panels later, Korvac threatens to use the Nullifier and is confronted by the Watcher
In this universe, the moon was destroyed PRIOR to the final
showdown with the armada and nullification.
Yet in the Quasar issue
Quasar emerges from the moon portal
Yet there is the final showdown with the alien armada
And Quasar escapes by flying through the moon portal

How can this be? In the original What If the moon was destroyed
PRIOR to these events, but in the Quasar issue, the moon is there
and just fine. They MUST be two different universes. Otherwise,
how can you explain why the moon is still around in the Quasar
issue, yet destroyed and gone in the original What If universe by
the time Korvac confronts the alien armada?.
Zop, let this one go.

It was the same Universe.

When the hell did another Korvac alternate reality diverge?

With the exact same story down to verbatim via dialogue,
with the exception of the moon that was essential in the Quasar version
obviously overlooked 10 years later.

Anyway, again:

Marvunapp (offiicallly sponsored Marvel Comics site)

Also tells us Quasar went through the original 1982 What If reality Korvac erased:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm

(middle of the page by Korvac's feet on Earth)

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Unless proof or at the very least an allusion of another duplicate
Korvac Universe diverging with the exact same story to the end can be produced
this argument is baseless friend.

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Anyway, that aside,
your contention was that you did not accept what Korvac said in the Quasar book ... here:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/9801946_Kor1.jpg


But Korvac uses the exact same words in the original What If ... here: (literally)

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/11662389_K6.jpg


So one way or another, my point still stands.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yeah, it wasn't directed at you Mr. M, LoM knows that alternate
reality/non canon appearances aren't valid in VS threads.
Or at least that's how it used to be.
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zopzop
Originally posted by Mr Master
So he was "desperately amassing" more power,
cause he noticed every being in the entire Universe coming at em,
cool, so he didn't know he was powerful enough.

This doesn't change the fact that he was as powerful as he'd become.

At the end he proved capable of becoming one with Eternity,
and decided to erase the Universe anyway.

But it WAS the armada that caused him to panic, the follow up story to this what if made it clear!
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2373/followuparmada.th.jpg
It states he was dishearten at the prospect of so staggering a war and brandished the Nullifier and threatened to use it if the armada did not retreat. They didn't so he used it.




Death was DEFINITELY helping Korvac along. The narration even made it clear at the very end (while dropping hints along the way like it's face opposite Korvac's just before he went to face off vs the armada) that Death was Korva's unbidden ally and unwanted master.



It's hard to let it go when the ON PANEL evidence supports me. How do you explain the presence of the moon in the Quasar issue while Korvac is facing the armada? It was destroyed and GONE (forming a ring around the Earth) in the original What if story by the time Korvac faced down the armada!

Mr Master
Originally posted by zopzop

But it WAS the armada that caused him to panic,
the follow up story to this what if made it clear!
You're missing my point friend.
Originally posted by zopzop

Death was DEFINITELY helping Korvac along. The narration even
made it clear at the very end (while dropping hints along the way like
it's face opposite Korvac's just before he went to face off vs the
armada) that Death was Korva's unbidden ally and unwanted master.
I know the narration well,
and there's no evidence of any kind that alludes to Death powering up Korvac.

Whatever, however Death aided Korvac is a complete mystery,
and therefore has no bearing since there no proof of any kind to suggest how.

I could've just been manipulating life in the universe to reject Korvac's mission,
therefore pushing Korvac to wack Eternity.

Just sayin, any speculation is plausible so why go there,
since we clearly saw on panel Korvac powering himself up via absorption.
Originally posted by zopzop

It's hard to let it go when the ON PANEL evidence supports me.

How do you explain the presence of the moon in the Quasar issue
while Korvac is facing the armada?
It was destroyed and GONE (forming a ring around the Earth)
in the original What if story by the time Korvac faced down the
armada!
It does not support you, you simply took a minute detail overlooked
by the writer in the Quasar issue and used it as a loophole to
conjure a completely made up story concerning a so called
duplicate Korvac What if reality when there's absolutely no
significant evidence of any kind to suggest that as even a possibility.

You also keep ignoring this:
Originally posted by Mr Master

Marvunapp (offiicallly sponsored Marvel Comics site)

Also tells us Quasar went through the original 1982 What If reality Korvac erased:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm

(middle of the page by Korvac's feet on Earth)

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Unless proof or at the very least an allusion of another duplicate
Korvac Universe diverging with the exact same story to the end can be produced
this argument is baseless friend.

So ... hmph

zopzop
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're missing my point friend.

I'm pretty sure I'm not. This can't be downplayed because this was mentioned not once, but twice, as the reason why Korvac decided to end it all using the Nullifier. He panicked at the sight of the armada and was disheartened at the thought of so widescale a war! Yet he had no problem with cosmics/abstracts (including the LT himself).

That What If issue was the biggest clusterfxxk in the history of Marvel comics (right up there with Chaos War and just under Fear Itself).



You are 100% right that we don't know how Death helped Korvac but the point was he HAD help an "unbidden ally" and more importantly "an unwanted Master". That last phrase tells us all we need to know. The "mightiest being" in the universe was merely a pawn of Death.



But it was in no way a minor detail. It was this little event that allowed Korvac to get the Stranger and,more importantly, the Inbetweener's power. Which lead directly to the LT judging against Korvac which led to the LT fleeing that reality and sealing it off! How could this be left out and considered a minor detail?

Mr Master
Originally posted by zopzop

That What If issue was the biggest clusterfxxk in the history of
Marvel comics (right up there with Chaos War and just under Fear Itself).
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Originally posted by zopzop

You are 100% right that we don't know how Death helped Korvac
but the point was he HAD help an "unbidden ally" and more
importantly "an unwanted Master". That last phrase tells us all we
need to know. The "mightiest being" in the universe was merely a
pawn of Death.
It still doesn't interrupt the fact that Korvac powered himself up via absorption,
and never in the story was Death portrayed as ever giving Korvac
even an iota of extra power.

That aside, a "pawn" he may have been,
but he accomplished what Death could not.

Death played a mysterious role, and there's no hint of what it was.

So we should just stick to what we actually do have.
Originally posted by zopzop


But it was in no way a minor detail. It was this little event that
allowed Korvac to get the Stranger and,more importantly, the
Inbetweener's power. Which lead directly to the LT judging against
Korvac which led to the LT fleeing that reality and sealing it off! How
could this be left out and considered a minor detail?
The moon was overlooked, or more simply, the writer didn't think so much attention would be placed on the What If 10 years prior.

That's it, that's the only explanation.

Because without any doubt, it was the same What If reality.

Actually, the ONLY one that has ever been (on panel and in handbooks)

The cover of the Quasar book in plain english:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11662903_K.jpg


* I'm not going through this anymore,
if you can't produce any evidence of another "What If" story
that was supposed to be a duplicate of the original 1982 book,
I will not respond to any more empty speculations cause it's a waste of our time.


One last time: (please do not ignore)
Originally posted by Mr M

Marvunapp (offiicallly sponsored Marvel Comics site)

Also tells us Quasar went through the original 1982 What If reality Korvac erased:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/e...vacconquers.htm

(middle of the page by Korvac's feet on Earth)
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