Rune King Thor wins. You are basically using a "What If" version of a character, Korvac.
What if Korvac sh@t his pants at the arrival of an alien space armada and resorted to suicide using the Ultimate Nullifier. What's stopping Rune King Thor from creating an alien armada and wtfpwning What If Korvac with it?
PS What if Korvac had help from a special someone.
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Come on Zop,
we got kids in here that'll take that comedy serious and use it as ammo in other debates,
or other sites,
further spreading ignorance and worse yet creating new "clueless" Joes.
Yet, we'll never know how Death helped Korvac,
except that we know she manipulated the set-up,
which was to get Korvac to destroy the Universe.
So we can't blindly assume she had direct involvement in Korvac's power-up,
since there's absolutely no evident of any kind to suggest such (on panel or bios)
As far as Korvac defending himself against the "nova" sun blast,
I'm certain considering the accumulation of power he had by then,
he could've easily deflected that nonsense. (stupidity on Gruenwald's part)
This version of Korvac was not only powerful enough to one-shot-kill Abstracts, but gained the power of every being he struck down (which includes the power of a Full Cube Being and power of every Celestial that was on Earth at that point)...
But he DID panic at the coming of the armada. In fact he was going to deal with the various "gods and demons" attempting to break through his little barrier, but he stopped what he was doing and dropped the idea once the armada materialized in the solar system. (please log in to view the image)
It's true we don't how Death helped Korvac, but that's not the issue. The issue is he DID help Korvac and he even made a cameo appearance as Korvac was absorbing the power of everyone on the planet Earth : (please log in to view the image)
Do you see Korvac's special friend in these scans? Look closely and you'll find him.
What's more, that scan you posted is from the Wandering the World of the What If issue of Quasar and it's not the same What If universe from the original What If the Avengers were pawns of Korvac issue. The proof is, in the original What If Korvac issue, the moon was destroyed in the tug of war between Stranger and Korvac. This happened BEFORE Korvac panicked and used the Nullifier to destroy the universe In that Quasar What If universe, the moon is still there and that's how Quasar escaped that universe before it was nullified, by going to the Watcher's moon base and using his view mirror to escape. This couldn't be the same What If Korvac universe from the 80s because the moon was destroyed PRIOR to Korvac unleashing the UN, hence Quasar couldn't have used the moon base mirror to escape.
All this is pointless anyway since the being in this VS thread is from a What If universe and has no bearing on 616 Korvac. I thought What If/alternate reality versions of characters were disqualified from VS threads?
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Remember, when Korvac first focused on the Armada
he didn't believe he was more powerful than every being in the universe combined.
Yet at the end, right before he triggers the UN,
he expanded his awareness and actually became one with everything in the Universe,
in fact, one with Eternity.
So was Korvac just not completely confident at that point, or clueless?
Or was Greunwald forced inconsistencies he thought would slip the reader's grasp?
I bet he wasn't counting on meticulous aficionados, like ourselves.
What, Korvac's shadow that looks like a face?
Death was in Korvac's heart, Korvac wanted the Universe to die:
But the scans clearly show him :
a) stopping what he was doing (facing off vs the gods and demons attempting to break through his barrier) and turning in fear/suprise/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to the alien armada that just warped into the solar system
b) then you have him saying he "won't give up without a fight and must arm himself" to face them down
c) then you have the narration saying Korvac was "desperately amassing power" from everything on Earth. When was "desperately" doing anything when he was facing off vs the cosmics/abstracts, yet for this alien armada he was "desperately amassing power" and he had to "arm himself" before he faced them down.
Sorry, this can't be the case. The face has skeletal features and it's grimacing, yet Korvac wasn't happy at all. He was desperate and angry. His emotions don't match up with that being in that scan.
Nope, it cannot be the same universe. Here's why :
Here it is in the original story -
The moon was destroyed in a tug of war between Stranger and Korvac (please log in to view the image)
How can this be? In the original What If the moon was destroyed PRIOR to these events, but in the Quasar issue, the moon is there and just fine. They MUST be two different universes. Otherwise, how can you explain why the moon is still around in the Quasar issue, yet destroyed and gone in the original What If universe by the time Korvac confronts the alien armada?
Yeah, it wasn't directed at you Mr. M, LoM knows that alternate reality/non canon appearances aren't valid in VS threads. Or at least that's how it used to be.
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So he was "desperately amassing" more power,
cause he noticed every being in the entire Universe coming at em,
cool, so he didn't know he was powerful enough.
This doesn't change the fact that he was as powerful as he'd become.
At the end he proved capable of becoming one with Eternity,
and decided to erase the Universe anyway.
Are you implying Death was empowering Korvac?
If not, what your point?
That Death decided to make a cameo as Korvac approached the crescendo of the story?
Means nothing if so.
Zop, let this one go.
It was the same Universe.
When the hell did another Korvac alternate reality diverge?
With the exact same story down to verbatim via dialogue,
with the exception of the moon that was essential in the Quasar version
obviously overlooked 10 years later.
Unless proof or at the very least an allusion of another duplicate
Korvac Universe diverging with the exact same story to the end can be produced
this argument is baseless friend.
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Anyway, that aside, your contention was that you did not accept what Korvac said in the Quasar book ... here:
But it WAS the armada that caused him to panic, the follow up story to this what if made it clear! (please log in to view the image)
It states he was dishearten at the prospect of so staggering a war and brandished the Nullifier and threatened to use it if the armada did not retreat. They didn't so he used it.
Death was DEFINITELY helping Korvac along. The narration even made it clear at the very end (while dropping hints along the way like it's face opposite Korvac's just before he went to face off vs the armada) that Death was Korva's unbidden ally and unwanted master.
It's hard to let it go when the ON PANEL evidence supports me. How do you explain the presence of the moon in the Quasar issue while Korvac is facing the armada? It was destroyed and GONE (forming a ring around the Earth) in the original What if story by the time Korvac faced down the armada!
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You're missing my point friend.
I know the narration well,
and there's no evidence of any kind that alludes to Death powering up Korvac.
Whatever, however Death aided Korvac is a complete mystery,
and therefore has no bearing since there no proof of any kind to suggest how.
I could've just been manipulating life in the universe to reject Korvac's mission,
therefore pushing Korvac to wack Eternity.
Just sayin, any speculation is plausible so why go there,
since we clearly saw on panel Korvac powering himself up via absorption.
It does not support you, you simply took a minute detail overlooked
by the writer in the Quasar issue and used it as a loophole to
conjure a completely made up story concerning a so called
duplicate Korvac What if reality when there's absolutely no
significant evidence of any kind to suggest that as even a possibility.
You also keep ignoring this:
So ...
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I'm pretty sure I'm not. This can't be downplayed because this was mentioned not once, but twice, as the reason why Korvac decided to end it all using the Nullifier. He panicked at the sight of the armada and was disheartened at the thought of so widescale a war! Yet he had no problem with cosmics/abstracts (including the LT himself).
That What If issue was the biggest clusterfxxk in the history of Marvel comics (right up there with Chaos War and just under Fear Itself).
You are 100% right that we don't know how Death helped Korvac but the point was he HAD help an "unbidden ally" and more importantly "an unwanted Master". That last phrase tells us all we need to know. The "mightiest being" in the universe was merely a pawn of Death.
But it was in no way a minor detail. It was this little event that allowed Korvac to get the Stranger and,more importantly, the Inbetweener's power. Which lead directly to the LT judging against Korvac which led to the LT fleeing that reality and sealing it off! How could this be left out and considered a minor detail?
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It still doesn't interrupt the fact that Korvac powered himself up via absorption,
and never in the story was Death portrayed as ever giving Korvac
even an iota of extra power.
That aside, a "pawn" he may have been,
but he accomplished what Death could not.
Death played a mysterious role, and there's no hint of what it was.
So we should just stick to what we actually do have.
The moon was overlooked, or more simply, the writer didn't think so much attention would be placed on the What If 10 years prior.
That's it, that's the only explanation.
Because without any doubt, it was the same What If reality.
Actually, the ONLY one that has ever been (on panel and in handbooks)
* I'm not going through this anymore,
if you can't produce any evidence of another "What If" story
that was supposed to be a duplicate of the original 1982 book,
I will not respond to any more empty speculations cause it's a waste of our time.
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