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can danny take out the man who laid a beating on spidey?

BT was on the receiving end, but won on attrition. Considering Danny can hit much, much harder, I'd say he should win.

attrition? recieving end?? bt owned spidey twice. in the first fight he effortlessly weathered a full on spidey blitz and was fast enough and skilled enough to grabbed spidey MID blitz. in the second, bt didn't want to kill spidey but by the end spidey could barely see or stand. in spidey's own words bt weathered his best which simply wasn't enough.

bt has also easily withstood a massive explosion and walked out, flaming, only to later heal completely.

add his solid energy projection and i'll take bt for a majority. at least until further proof is brought to bear.

That's just it, he weathered Spidey's best in both cases. We know Spidey's faster, by virtue Spidey landing 99% of the offense, with that 1% coming in the form of BT grabbing his ankle in their first fight.

Danny's in Spidey's ball park speed wise, but he can also deliver hits that could hurt Luke Cage.

I'd say the burden of proof is on BT's end, not on Danny's, given BT's main feat is tanking Spidey's best shots.

And on the durability front, while weathering an explosion is impressive, Danny's taken worse explosions. He fought a walking, radiation spewing nukear man early in his career, taking enough radiation to kill anyone, and survived an explosion. And remember the train that makes a nuke look like a firecracker?

BT was also injured by those power armor soldiers after beating Spidey the second time (He tore them to shreds, but by his words we know he took damage). And, White Tiger managed to take him down from behind, during Brubakers Daredevil Run. Cheap shot or no, this is proof he can be hurt enough to defeat.

And of course, Master Izo took him down outright. Sure, he's Stick level, but the fact BT reacted to Izo's hits, which should be below a good Iron Fist punch, proves he's not invulnerable.

Danny delivered a non IF punch that separated head from body on a character that took Luke Cages best attacks, and his best IF hits can certainly output more damage than BT's taken on panel..

Funny how Brubaker never had them fight it out during his Daredevil run...

BT has taken Danny out via a cheapshot to the back of the head before.

Danny wins.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's just it, he weathered Spidey's best in both cases. We know Spidey's faster, by virtue Spidey landing 99% of the offense, with that 1% coming in the form of BT grabbing his ankle in their first fight.

Danny's in Spidey's ball park speed wise, but he can also deliver hits that could hurt Luke Cage.

I'd say the burden of proof is on BT's end, not on Danny's, given BT's main feat is tanking Spidey's best shots.

And on the durability front, while weathering an explosion is impressive, Danny's taken worse explosions. He fought a walking, radiation spewing nukear man early in his career, taking enough radiation to kill anyone, and survived an explosion. And remember the train that makes a nuke look like a firecracker?

BT was also injured by those power armor soldiers after beating Spidey the second time (He tore them to shreds, but by his words we know he took damage). And, White Tiger managed to take him down from behind, during Brubakers Daredevil Run. Cheap shot or no, this is proof he can be hurt enough to defeat.

And of course, Master Izo took him down outright. Sure, he's Stick level, but the fact BT reacted to Izo's hits, which should be below a good Iron Fist punch, proves he's not invulnerable.

Danny delivered a non IF punch that separated head from body on a character that took Luke Cages best attacks, and his best IF hits can certainly output more damage than BT's taken on panel..

Funny how Brubaker never had them fight it out during his Daredevil run...

can danny punch blitz like spidey with his ironfist? i've never seen that. a dozen or more spidey punches would wrack up a lot of damage and bt was barely noticing the blows. danny could get in a good shot, but i don't see it taking out bt who took that explosion like it was nothing and who spidey could barely harm. i'd say bt's durability is around luke's for sure based on what i've seen in his limited appearances. and while spidey was able to withstand a pretty good beatdown from bt, a couple solid shots from bt would likely end danny since i don't see him as being as durable as spidey.

meh, you could be right but without using IF ridiculous outlier feats, i don't see him taking bt out before bt lands the necessary blows to finish danny off, especially coupled with his long range energy projection (danny can fire chi blasts too though, right? how strong/effective/in-character are they?)

Originally posted by dmills
BT has taken Danny out via a cheapshot to the back of the head before.

Danny wins.

where did that happen?

Originally posted by leonidas
where did that happen?

Daredevil 115. Danny went chasing after him and white tiger but they flanked him and BT dropped him with a double kick to the back of the head. White tiger wanted to kill Danny while he was unconsious, but BT said no, it would be a waste of time because an Iron Fist is nearly impossible to kill or some such.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire11p05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/MarvelTeam-UpAnnual03-30.jpg

And, you've seen the Black Panther fight? I can post scans, if you'd like.

But here's one of my favorite IM feats, and why I don't think he needs to blitz:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/LukeCagePowerMan48-11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/LukeCagePowerMan48-13.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/LukeCagePowerMan48-14.jpg

To my knowledge, Cage getting back up is actually an outlier, as a pre upgrade Danny one punch KOed him, and he knocked Cage out again in Thunderbolts. But, I prefer this old feat more to those other ones, because it's just such a dynamic scene.. If anything, Cage getting back up just makes it better, as if to say if it wasn't for his steel hard skin, he wouldn't be getting up at all.

Originally posted by leonidas
a couple solid shots from bt would likely end danny since i don't see him as being as durable as spidey.

Here's a few examples of Danny's durability

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/th_IronFist04-Holocaust-02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/th_IronFist03-TheCitysNotforBurning-18.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/th_IronFist04-Holocaust-01.jpg

This is PRE upgrade Danny, many years before reading the Book of the Iron Fist and absorbing Orson Randall's chi. Not shown, because if happens later in the series of scans, is the fact Danny was pretty messed up after the explosion, and had to chi heal. But, I doubt Spidey would fare much better.

I was going to post a few scans of Danny taking Iron Man and War Machine hits, but photobuckets still slower than turtle slime, so...

Maybe later. ^_^










Danny can not only fire chi, but absorb or block energy. He's done it with electrical (When he was tapping into the power of the rail system to propel himself like a living bullet against the nuke train) and various magic energies, either outright blocking magic blasts along his fist or absorbing the energies. Even if he can't do similar to BT's attacks, he's also survived some heavy duty energy attacks from Radion, a walking nuclear reactor... (And, of course, the ridiculous nuke train, but Photobucket is acting up. And besides, I think a good case can be made without dipping into the outliers.)

Yeah, something's up with photobucket.. The scans aren't even loading here properly.

good scans. i have the entire bryne run (that first IF series was the best one imo). i was aware of that cage shot you showed, and i know he took out cage at least once. didn't know it happened twice though. not entirely sure i buy the scenes you showed as hs 'typical' durability levels though. i could show him getting done in by quite a bit less than those things. it wouldn't be low-balling--i just think that you showed a pretty high end feat is all. i don't see him withstanding many shots from bt.

as far as your blitz scans--i know he can blitz using REGULAR blows, but spidey's regular blows>>>>>IF's and bt was basically unphased by spidey's shots. to come close to accumulating the damage spidey could do in a blitz, danny would have to hit repeatedly ('blitz') with his iron fist and i've never seen him do that before is what i was saying.

it would be interesting to see if he could counter bt's energy attacks. basically i see bt as about a cl50ish guy, fast enough to grab spidey, with durability approximating cage's and who can blast significant amounts of energy. that is a pretty damn solid combo imo. i do think danny could take some wins, but i still think bt would take a majority.

imo, the main advantage for BT is his healing factor, along with overall stats comparable to Spidey/Danny... He did take Spidey's punches better than Danny's taken them, to be fair. But I also think Danny's quick enough and durable enough to survive his share of hits from BT...

It's the IF punch that sends him over the top, imo.

If Danny didn't have his Iron Fist technique, like the times Steel Serpent or Junzo Muto stole it, I'd give the edge to BT.

And I really hope Brubaker or someone puts the two in a fight.. I'd have absolutely no problem if BT does turn out to overmatch Danny.

i think it would be a great fight, though without his IF i'd say danny has almost no chance to win this though if izo did it as you said, maybe he has some chance after all. i hope it happens too. would have been cool to see what daredevil could have done against him, though i'd say dd wouldn't have much chance without some plot assistance.

Brubaker had BT walking through storms of bullets while weakened. And he claimed the fact he's even being hit is proof he's not at 100%.

BT would walk all over Daredevil.

But not World War Daredevil And IF owned WWD

biscuits

that might be the most smilies i've ever seen in sentence of that length.

As for the blitzing with Iron fist blows.

http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz176/jalekmoye/Danny%20respect%20thread/Speed/th_BlackPanther39p18.jpg http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz176/jalekmoye/Danny%20respect%20thread/striking%20power/th_65260_dking3_122_389lo.jpg
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz176/jalekmoye/Danny%20respect%20thread/Speed/th_ironfist11.jpg

Don't know enough about Black Tarantuala to really debate but just providing that since I saw it brought up.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
As for the blitzing with Iron fist blows.

http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz176/jalekmoye/Danny%20respect%20thread/Speed/th_BlackPanther39p18.jpg

And that resulted in long term, potentially fatal brain damage.

Despite wearing a vibranium weave suit.

And that was from a Fist who doesn't have his current upgrade and had to actually worry about his cardio.

Also about durability/power, the last couple feats Fist has had is dropping Phoenix Namor on his face, and this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_015.jpg

This isn't 90's Fist anymore.

Originally posted by cdtm
And that resulted in long term, potentially fatal brain damage.

Despite wearing a vibranium weave suit.

yeah, that was pretty cool. since he was not in his own mind though, i don't usually count that as (a) i don't think that would be in character, and (b) not sure normal is CAPABLE of such an attack. maybe he is though. if so, i like his chances a lot more than i did earlier, however, even though those blows were certainly amped they weren't the usual levels of power we see danny reach with his ironfist. i mean, vibranium or no, that was a LOT of hits bp withstood. think bp could withstand that many shots from spidey? i'm not at all sure about that....

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, that was pretty cool. since he was not in his own mind though, i don't usually count that as (a) i don't think that would be in character, and (b) not sure normal is CAPABLE of such an attack. maybe he is though

Current Danny can use Iron fist as many times as he wants without tiring. My scan with the weird monster was him calling on his inner reveres to do an amped blitz. Plus he's at least doubled his power and same for his knowledge.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And that was from a Fist who doesn't have his current upgrade and had to actually worry about his cardio.

Also about durability/power, the last couple feats Fist has had is dropping Phoenix Namor on his face, and this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_015.jpg

This isn't 90's Fist anymore.

hmm, well, it would seem that he can now withstand blasts capable of harming the ss. if that is the case then (a) marvel has has once again successfully ruined a cool character, and (b) i would change my stance if that is indeed the norm for him now-a-days.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Current Danny can use Iron fist as many times as he wants without tiring. My scan with the weird monster was him calling on his inner reveres to do an amped blitz. Plus he's at least doubled his power and same for his knowledge.

cool. i've read SOME recent avengers, but missed danny's upgrade so some of this is new to me. but it does seem to reinforce the idea that they have indeed ruined another cool character by granting him unnecessary levels of power.

if he can definitively beat someone of bt's level (a high meta imo, and it would seem that most believe he can nowadays) then.....meh. glad i missed this updated version of the character.

Originally posted by Mindset


what are you 'ing about? silly me for thinking a high meta could pose a challenge for danny. sneer

That would you even dare pit Sir Daniel Rand against someone so beneath him is an affront to me.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And that was from a Fist who doesn't have his current upgrade and had to actually worry about his cardio.

Also about durability/power, the last couple feats Fist has had is dropping Phoenix Namor on his face, and this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/NewMutants44_015.jpg

This isn't 90's Fist anymore.



http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3635/defenders02003.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/689/defenders02004.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. i've read SOME recent avengers, but missed danny's upgrade so some of this is new to me. but it does seem to reinforce the idea that they have indeed ruined another cool character by granting him unnecessary levels of power.

if he can definitively beat someone of bt's level (a high meta imo, and it would seem that most believe he can nowadays) then.....meh. glad i missed this updated version of the character. Ruin? Danny's run where he was upgraded was one of the best series that Marvel's put out in a while.

He just also happens to have ridiculous feats because of that (and during the run as well).

I also think he broke Hiroim's arm as well with a hit but got jobbed out.

Originally posted by dmills


http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3635/defenders02003.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/689/defenders02004.jpg My word is Danny awesome.

I want to see World War Fist.

Of course, that event would likely result in the killing of a great deal of beloved characters to sate Danny's bloodlust, but that's a price I'm willing to pay.

Danny/Doom team up.

Make it happen.

It would be the most important and life changing book of the industry. It would sell more copies of the Bible, tbh.

As I was discussing in a different thread its been confirmed on panel that Danny is no longer even mortal. Of course Black tarantula already confirmed that years ago with his own words.

An off panel fight with Worthy Titania and Absorbing man only resulted in a ko. One can also assume he took shots from Phoenix Namor.

It would replace the bible as the most read book in history.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ruin? Danny's run where he was upgraded was one of the best series that Marvel's put out in a while.

He just also happens to have ridiculous feats because of that (and during the run as well).

I also think he broke Hiroim's arm as well with a hit but got jobbed out.

if danny is fighting phoenix namor and tanking blasts that ss takes, then....yeah, i'd say he jumped the shark, least imo. he was already a great character. no upgrading necessary. the story of his upgrade may have been good (as i said i didn't follow it) but if he is now a high meta (higher??) i think he has been taken in direction counter to what he was intended to be. not that that is inherently wrong--all characters can be altered, obviously--i just liked him where he was.

Originally posted by Mindset
That would you even dare pit Sir Daniel Rand against someone so beneath him is an affront to me.

doom vs danny (listens intently for the sound of the aneurysm induced in mindset)

Originally posted by dmills


As I was discussing in a different thread its been confirmed on panel that Danny is no longer even mortal. Of course Black tarantula already confirmed that years ago with his own words.

.
I suspected as much since Orson was like 100 and only looked crappy because he was a drug addict.

Originally posted by leonidas


doom vs danny (listens intently for the sound of the aneurysm induced in mindset) Same person, different bodies.

Originally posted by leonidas
if danny is fighting phoenix namor and tanking blasts that ss takes, then....yeah, i'd say he jumped the shark, least imo. he was already a great character. no upgrading necessary. the story of his upgrade may have been good (as i said i didn't follow it) but if he is now a high meta (higher??) i think he has been taken in direction counter to what he was intended to be. not that that is inherently wrong--all characters can be altered, obviously--i just liked him where he was. Danny fights everyone all the time. His power is adaptable for any situation.

He's always hit really hard anyway, now they've just made him hit harder, with a slew of other abilities that makes sense for the whole "chi" angle.

And if you don't find things like this awesome:
http://imageshack.us/f/35/immortalironfist006019.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/268/immortalironfist025012.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/12/immortalironfistannual0.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/238/na50028.jpg/

Then you have no soul, and may be stricken by a mild case of necrophilia.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I suspected as much since Orson was like 100 and only looked crappy because he was a drug addict.

Yeah, that was a hint. In the Shang chi arc in Spider Island Shang was infected and transformed by the virus whilst Danny wasn't. It was stated that because Danny wasn't mortal the virus had no ill effects on him.

Iron Fist is what Karate Kid wants to be when he grows up.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Iron Fist is what Karate Kid wants to be when he grows up.

Hell, Iron Fist is what TOAA wants to be when he grows up.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Danny fights everyone all the time. His power is adaptable for any situation.

He's always hit really hard anyway, now they've just made him hit harder, with a slew of other abilities that makes sense for the whole "chi" angle.

And if you don't find things like this awesome:
http://imageshack.us/f/35/immortalironfist006019.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/268/immortalironfist025012.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/12/immortalironfistannual0.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/238/na50028.jpg/

Then you have no soul, and may be stricken by a mild case of necrophilia.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6159/defenders02007.jpg

The death touch. Also known as Stupid. Tiger. Ass. Lol.

not helping.

leo, come join us in praising Lord Rand.

Originally posted by leonidas
not helping. How about this?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12687142/AVX-Zone-_008.jpg.html

KIII-YAH!

There's also the Ragnarok fight... but that would be too much at your early development into the Church of Latter Day Fists

Bran, let's kiii-yah together.

You guys are going to overload Leo.

Faith can be a powerful and awesome thing.

With all these followers you'd think one of them would add to his respect thread.

Well, I haven't read comics in like 3 years.

So.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
With all these followers you'd think one of them would add to his respect thread. Respect thread isn't big enough. You need a respect forum, and then I'll add.

And yet you claim to have accepted the Fist as your Lord and Savior, Mindset.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
And yet you claim to have accepted the Fist as your Lord and Savior, Mindset. I no longer need to read IF comics.

They come to me in visions.

I am his prophet.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Respect thread isn't big enough. You need a respect forum, and then I'll add.

Entire sub-forums dedicated to various aspects of Lord Rand such as fashion sense, hobbies, favorite movies, all of his left footed kicks, etc.

FIST EM!

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8510/fisthim.jpg
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/7257/tumblrm1ez9d8an91qjnvdl.png

I always wondered what would happen if I Iron fisted a Hulk ...

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3117/2360502newavengers20.jpg

He did better against Ragnarok than that horrific excuse for a character known as James Howlett. He's the best there is at not being as awesome as Iron Fist.

Jake....why did you have to use the Srank Signal?

Faith in the Fist is my shield, Knowledge of the Fist is my sword.

I fear no heretics.

bahahahhaa

sigh............all hail lord rand.

Originally posted by leonidas
sigh............all hail lord rand.

I missed the party.

Welcome to the church of Rand, convert.

i was afraid that if i didn't convert, mindset would find me and toss my pet rabbit into a pot of boiling water or something.

*Bump*

This is one I'm always going back and forth on..

BT takes point blank bullets like they're nothing, survives an explosion that destroys a warehouse and walks around on fire without even noticing.. And he has a healing factor. He's very similar to Gorgon in durability and stats.

The thing is, I have no doubt Danny can take BT's head off. But, he usually only does the overkill attacks to mook Hydra henchmen or hand ninja.. In a comic story, he'd probably hold back, especially since him and Carlos are friends.. And if Carlos can tank Spidey all day, until he punches himself out, nothing less then lethal IF attacks will cut it. He'd need to go all out, Black Panther vibranium suit shredding attacks..

Originally posted by leonidas
sigh............all hail lord rand.

Who do you think wins? No holding back, bloodlusted.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Who do you think wins? No holding back, bloodlusted.

This is a delicate stage.. Don't shake the new converts faith.

I guess the important question here:

Could Iron Fist duplicate Spidey's performance without the Fist? Could he keep up with Carlos, in other words?

I think he has the speed feats, personally, and Carlos wasn't really portrayed as faster then Spidey anyways. He was shown as fast enough to tag Spidey occasionally, or grab him out of mid air, which is a speed level Rand's proven to be at himself.

So if Rand isn't outclassed by BT in speed (And I DO think Carlos can KO him), then it comes down to his striking power, vs Carlos's durability and healing factor..

And by modern portrayals, Black Tarantula's durability has a limit...

problem with trying to gauge bt's speed in that spidey fight is that he simply knew spidey couldn't harm him so really, why both trying to avoid him? it's the same reason supes get tagged by bullets and other characters. now, if he HAD to avoid the attacks, his speed might be greater than has been shown. all of danny's high end feats aside, i don't think he's goon take too many of bt's solid shots before the tables turn quickly, and i don't see danny on average having bt's durability (like i don't see him having cage's). bt hits with cl50 strength, and has energy to attacks to boot. this is closer than i initially thought, but i still give bt the edge in range and durability. i call speed close enough to be a wash and punching power to danny. on average i think i'd still take bt for a very slight majority but i could see it being a split.

Originally posted by leonidas
problem with trying to gauge bt's speed in that spidey fight is that he simply knew spidey couldn't harm him so really, why both trying to avoid him? it's the same reason supes get tagged by bullets and other characters. now, if he HAD to avoid the attacks, his speed might be greater than has been shown. all of danny's high end feats aside, i don't think he's goon take too many of bt's solid shots before the tables turn quickly, and i don't see danny on average having bt's durability (like i don't see him having cage's). bt hits with cl50 strength, and has energy to attacks to boot. this is closer than i initially thought, but i still give bt the edge in range and durability. i call speed close enough to be a wash and punching power to danny. on average i think i'd still take bt for a very slight majority but i could see it being a split. But theres no evidence that BT was taking hits from Spidey because he didnt bother to dodge. The way I saw it - Spidey's proven he's faster to the point he can land several attacks for each of BT's attack, its BT's durability that was the problem. And looking at IF speed feats combined with the MA skills (that Spidey lacked at the time) I dont see a reason why he wont land the first punch and going all out.. that's all it qould take really.

could be i'm just not recalling the fight completely, but i remember having the sense that bt was more a juggernaut against spidey who just took everything he had (easily) and struck when he needed to. i always had the impression bt could have done a lot more than he did, but like i said, could be me just not remembering the fight clearly. i also don't see danny one-shotting bt. his durability and healing are too good. i see him doing what luke did in that scan--getting up po'd. it COULD happen, but i don't see that happening for the majority of danny's wins. i think he would win with constant strikes and attrition, like the way bt beat spidey. i don't think danny could take many shots from bt though.

it's a tough call, and i know danny is tougher now than ever, but i still think this is def in doubt.

Originally posted by leonidas
could be i'm just not recalling the fight completely, but i remember having the sense that bt was more a juggernaut against spidey who just took everything he had (easily) and struck when he needed to. i always had the impression bt could have done a lot more than he did, but like i said, could be me just not remembering the fight clearly. i also don't see danny one-shotting bt. his durability and healing are too good. i see him doing what luke did in that scan--getting up po'd. it COULD happen, but i don't see that happening for the majority of danny's wins. i think he would win with constant strikes and attrition, like the way bt beat spidey. i don't think danny could take many shots from bt though.

it's a tough call, and i know danny is tougher now than ever, but i still think this is def in doubt.

You know who's Rand's own Black Tarantula?

Fat Cobra. He pretty much tanked everything Danny was throwing at him, and he was using Iron Fist's! He seemed faster, stronger, and overall more devastating..

Truthfully, I'd love seeing Fatty against Black Tarantula more then Danny..

Originally posted by cdtm
You know who's Rand's own Black Tarantula?

Fat Cobra. He pretty much tanked everything Danny was throwing at him, and he was using Iron Fist's! He seemed faster, stronger, and overall more devastating..

Truthfully, I'd love seeing Fatty against Black Tarantula more then Danny..



good analogy.