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attrition? recieving end?? bt owned spidey twice. in the first fight he effortlessly weathered a full on spidey blitz and was fast enough and skilled enough to grabbed spidey MID blitz. in the second, bt didn't want to kill spidey but by the end spidey could barely see or stand. in spidey's own words bt weathered his best which simply wasn't enough.
bt has also easily withstood a massive explosion and walked out, flaming, only to later heal completely.
add his solid energy projection and i'll take bt for a majority. at least until further proof is brought to bear.
That's just it, he weathered Spidey's best in both cases. We know Spidey's faster, by virtue Spidey landing 99% of the offense, with that 1% coming in the form of BT grabbing his ankle in their first fight.
Danny's in Spidey's ball park speed wise, but he can also deliver hits that could hurt Luke Cage.
I'd say the burden of proof is on BT's end, not on Danny's, given BT's main feat is tanking Spidey's best shots.
And on the durability front, while weathering an explosion is impressive, Danny's taken worse explosions. He fought a walking, radiation spewing nukear man early in his career, taking enough radiation to kill anyone, and survived an explosion. And remember the train that makes a nuke look like a firecracker?
BT was also injured by those power armor soldiers after beating Spidey the second time (He tore them to shreds, but by his words we know he took damage). And, White Tiger managed to take him down from behind, during Brubakers Daredevil Run. Cheap shot or no, this is proof he can be hurt enough to defeat.
And of course, Master Izo took him down outright. Sure, he's Stick level, but the fact BT reacted to Izo's hits, which should be below a good Iron Fist punch, proves he's not invulnerable.
Danny delivered a non IF punch that separated head from body on a character that took Luke Cages best attacks, and his best IF hits can certainly output more damage than BT's taken on panel..
Funny how Brubaker never had them fight it out during his Daredevil run...
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can danny punch blitz like spidey with his ironfist? i've never seen that. a dozen or more spidey punches would wrack up a lot of damage and bt was barely noticing the blows. danny could get in a good shot, but i don't see it taking out bt who took that explosion like it was nothing and who spidey could barely harm. i'd say bt's durability is around luke's for sure based on what i've seen in his limited appearances. and while spidey was able to withstand a pretty good beatdown from bt, a couple solid shots from bt would likely end danny since i don't see him as being as durable as spidey.
meh, you could be right but without using IF ridiculous outlier feats, i don't see him taking bt out before bt lands the necessary blows to finish danny off, especially coupled with his long range energy projection (danny can fire chi blasts too though, right? how strong/effective/in-character are they?)
Daredevil 115. Danny went chasing after him and white tiger but they flanked him and BT dropped him with a double kick to the back of the head. White tiger wanted to kill Danny while he was unconsious, but BT said no, it would be a waste of time because an Iron Fist is nearly impossible to kill or some such.
And, you've seen the Black Panther fight? I can post scans, if you'd like.
But here's one of my favorite IM feats, and why I don't think he needs to blitz:
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To my knowledge, Cage getting back up is actually an outlier, as a pre upgrade Danny one punch KOed him, and he knocked Cage out again in Thunderbolts. But, I prefer this old feat more to those other ones, because it's just such a dynamic scene.. If anything, Cage getting back up just makes it better, as if to say if it wasn't for his steel hard skin, he wouldn't be getting up at all.
This is PRE upgrade Danny, many years before reading the Book of the Iron Fist and absorbing Orson Randall's chi. Not shown, because if happens later in the series of scans, is the fact Danny was pretty messed up after the explosion, and had to chi heal. But, I doubt Spidey would fare much better.
I was going to post a few scans of Danny taking Iron Man and War Machine hits, but photobuckets still slower than turtle slime, so...
Maybe later. ^_^
Danny can not only fire chi, but absorb or block energy. He's done it with electrical (When he was tapping into the power of the rail system to propel himself like a living bullet against the nuke train) and various magic energies, either outright blocking magic blasts along his fist or absorbing the energies. Even if he can't do similar to BT's attacks, he's also survived some heavy duty energy attacks from Radion, a walking nuclear reactor... (And, of course, the ridiculous nuke train, but Photobucket is acting up. And besides, I think a good case can be made without dipping into the outliers.)
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good scans. i have the entire bryne run (that first IF series was the best one imo). i was aware of that cage shot you showed, and i know he took out cage at least once. didn't know it happened twice though. not entirely sure i buy the scenes you showed as hs 'typical' durability levels though. i could show him getting done in by quite a bit less than those things. it wouldn't be low-balling--i just think that you showed a pretty high end feat is all. i don't see him withstanding many shots from bt.
as far as your blitz scans--i know he can blitz using REGULAR blows, but spidey's regular blows>>>>>IF's and bt was basically unphased by spidey's shots. to come close to accumulating the damage spidey could do in a blitz, danny would have to hit repeatedly ('blitz') with his iron fist and i've never seen him do that before is what i was saying.
it would be interesting to see if he could counter bt's energy attacks. basically i see bt as about a cl50ish guy, fast enough to grab spidey, with durability approximating cage's and who can blast significant amounts of energy. that is a pretty damn solid combo imo. i do think danny could take some wins, but i still think bt would take a majority.
imo, the main advantage for BT is his healing factor, along with overall stats comparable to Spidey/Danny... He did take Spidey's punches better than Danny's taken them, to be fair. But I also think Danny's quick enough and durable enough to survive his share of hits from BT...
It's the IF punch that sends him over the top, imo.
If Danny didn't have his Iron Fist technique, like the times Steel Serpent or Junzo Muto stole it, I'd give the edge to BT.
And I really hope Brubaker or someone puts the two in a fight.. I'd have absolutely no problem if BT does turn out to overmatch Danny.
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i think it would be a great fight, though without his IF i'd say danny has almost no chance to win this though if izo did it as you said, maybe he has some chance after all. i hope it happens too. would have been cool to see what daredevil could have done against him, though i'd say dd wouldn't have much chance without some plot assistance.
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yeah, that was pretty cool. since he was not in his own mind though, i don't usually count that as (a) i don't think that would be in character, and (b) not sure normal is CAPABLE of such an attack. maybe he is though. if so, i like his chances a lot more than i did earlier, however, even though those blows were certainly amped they weren't the usual levels of power we see danny reach with his ironfist. i mean, vibranium or no, that was a LOT of hits bp withstood. think bp could withstand that many shots from spidey? i'm not at all sure about that....
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Jul 26th, 2012 02:49 AM
bt owned spidey twice. in the first fight he effortlessly weathered a full on spidey blitz and was fast enough and skilled enough to grabbed spidey MID blitz. in the second, bt didn't want to kill spidey but by the end spidey could barely see or stand. in spidey's own words bt weathered his best which simply wasn't enough.
