Nimrod vs Doomsday

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Brockalizer
Doomsday arrives on Marvel Earth via Boomtube. The government dispatches Nimrod to try and take him out.

Stipulations: Nimrod has already scanned Doomsday by the time the fight starts. No bfr, Doomsday is HP version.

Sin I AM
Did nimrod get a recent boost or something

Galan007
Doomsday utterly destroys Nimrod.

Not even a massively amped Superman+a Mother Box(which amped him even further) was able to contend with H/P Doomsday.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
Doomsday utterly destroys Nimrod.

Not even a massively amped Superman+a Mother Box(which amped him even further) was able to contend with H/P Doomsday.

Thats only because:

1) HP Doomsday had already evolved beyond Superman...
2) Motherbox gave Supes gear, not additional powers to fight against HP Doomsday with...


This is a totally different ballgame...

1) HP Doomsday has never encountered Nimrod and has no preexisting adaptations against its abilities...
2) Nimrod has the advantage of having scanned HP Doomsday for weaknesses before the fight starts...


As a result, Nimrod wins...

Galan007
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thats only because:

1) HP Doomsday had already evolved beyond Superman...
2) Motherbox gave Supes gear, not additional powers to fight against HP Doomsday with...


This is a totally different ballgame...

1) HP Doomsday has never encountered Nimrod and has no preexisting adaptations against its abilities...
2) Nimrod has the advantage of having scanned HP Doomsday for weaknesses before the fight starts...


As a result, Nimrod wins... You're missing the point, Superman was already amped beyond his normal levels before he even gained a Mother Box.

And yes, the MB did amp his abilities even further.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
You're missing the point, Superman was already substantially amped before he gained a Mother Box.

And yes, the MB did amp his abilities.

Do you mind posting scans?

I certainly dont remember that from Hunter/Prey...


Supes (albeit without Motherbox at the time) was seemingly about to lose one on one against Henshaw (as Henshaw seemed capable of immediately reconstructing from whatever Supes threw at him and Henshaw was starting to return fire on Supes) when they clashed on Apokalypse; Henshaw was only stopped by the Omega Effect...

Supes didnt seemed to be amped at all at that point in time from what I remember...

leonidas
nimrod was....busted open by colossus. no expression

keep nimrod in his high meat/low herald tier and he's fine. he gets utterly obliterated here.

Galan007
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Do you mind posting scans?

I certainly dont remember that from Hunter/Prey...


Supes (albeit without Motherbox at the time) was seemingly about to lose one on one against Henshaw (as Henshaw seemed capable of immediately reconstructing from whatever Supes threw at him and Henshaw was starting to return fire on Supes) when they clashed on Apokalypse...

Supes didnt seemed to be amped at all at that point in time from what I remember... Sure. Sorry in advance for the wall-o-text, but all of the following info is pertinent...

Proof that Superman was amped well beyond his standard levels during the H/P arc:

1.) A few months before the H/P arc began, a depowered Superman encountered Henshaw in 'Superman' v2 #82. As you can see, Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, but Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman himself. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
http://imgur.com/afwas1f
http://imgur.com/rTviBRf
http://imgur.com/sIa6JDf
http://imgur.com/aifJIPm
http://imgur.com/f7Mln3d
http://imgur.com/UAFgRuW
http://imgur.com/nAPpc9q
"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
__________

Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful after the above battle. Examples...

"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!":
http://imgur.com/cyXBzZW

"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than ever before!":
http://imgur.com/Us6v8mS
__________

Hamilton explains Superman's amp...

"You're absorbing solar radiation--and other energies--much faster than ever before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite--call it Kryptonite-X."

Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"

Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
http://imgur.com/Q4ptobr
http://imgur.com/1Sb6SFT
__________

His power increase was also referenced during the H/P arc itself...

I'm better than before, too! Stronger.":
http://imgur.com/8cCM1Ii
__________

However, his hugely amplified power during the H/P arc would be flat-out stated years later, in 'The Man of Tomorrow' #9...

"After his recovery, was stronger than ever. Good thing, too--'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the extra power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to help him stand up to Doomsday.":
http://imgur.com/SuRu2cz


In a nutshell: Superman was massively amped when the H/P arc began(to the point that he could use as little effort as possible, and was still more powerful than he was at his standard levels), yet was laughably inferior to H/P Doomsday. He then further amped his powers with a Mother Box, and was still barely able to give DD pause.


2.) Proof that Mother Box further amped Superman's natural abilities:
http://imgur.com/EoQRqS5

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by leonidas
nimrod was....busted open by colossus. no expression

From which he began to immediately reconstruct from...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
Sure. Sorry in advance for the wall-o-text, but all of the following info is pertinent...

Proof that Superman was amped well beyond his standard levels during the H/P arc:

1.) A few months before the H/P arc began, a depowered Superman encountered Henshaw in 'Superman' v2 #82. As you can see, Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, but Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman himself. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
http://imgur.com/afwas1f
http://imgur.com/rTviBRf
http://imgur.com/sIa6JDf
http://imgur.com/aifJIPm
http://imgur.com/f7Mln3d
http://imgur.com/UAFgRuW
http://imgur.com/nAPpc9q
"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
__________

Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful after the above battle. Examples...

"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!":
http://imgur.com/cyXBzZW

"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than ever before!":
http://imgur.com/Us6v8mS
__________

Hamilton explains Superman's amp...

"You're absorbing solar radiation--and other energies--much faster than ever before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite--call it Kryptonite-X."

Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"

Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
http://imgur.com/Q4ptobr
http://imgur.com/1Sb6SFT
__________

His power increase was also referenced during the H/P arc itself...

I'm better than before, too! Stronger.":
http://imgur.com/8cCM1Ii
__________

However, his hugely amplified power during the H/P arc would be flat-out stated years later, in 'The Man of Tomorrow' #9...

"After his recovery, was stronger than ever. Good thing, too--'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the extra power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to help him stand up to Doomsday.":
http://imgur.com/SuRu2cz


In a nutshell: Superman was massively amped when the H/P arc began(to the point that he could use as little effort as possible, and was still more powerful than he was at his standard levels), yet was laughably inferior to H/P Doomsday. He then further amped his powers with a Mother Box, and was still barely able to give DD pause.


2.) Proof that Mother Box further amped Superman's natural abilities:
http://imgur.com/EoQRqS5

Thans for the scans... thumb up

I guess the fight would then hinge on how powerful Nimrods power to scan opponents and come up with lethal solutions for dealing with them is (since Nimrod does have that advantage as per the OP)...

The answer to that question is that we dont know Nimrods limits in that area; what we do know is that he overcame the enchantment of an Elder God and was harming Classic Juggs before the Xmen showed up to save him...he was also largely responsible for driving mutants to the brink of extinction in the future.

If Nimrods power works as advertised, then HP Doomsday still loses despite his massive power, but if Nimrods power fails, this is going to be over in a hurry...

TheLordofMurder
Also, those explanations as to the events in HP came after the fact...

Once again, Supes didnt seemed to be amped at all when he faced Henshaw on Apokalypse; based on later explanation, are we to then assume that Henshaw was somehow amped as well during Hunter/Prey?

Galan007
Superman was amped during H/P... And substantially so(even before the Mother Box). Call it a retcon if it helps you make sense of things, but whether or not he appeared to be amped during the series itself is ultimately irrelevant. Point is: he was.

And yes, Henshaw was more powerful than he'd previously been, thanks to the Apokoliptian tech he'd incorporated.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman was amped during H/P... And substantially so. Call it a retcon if it helps you make sense of things, but whether or not he appeared to be amped during the series itself is ultimately irrelevant. He was.

And yes, Henshaw was more powerful than he'd previously been, thanks to the Apokoliptian tech he'd incorporated.

Well regardless of how powerful HP Doomsday was during that arc, this fight still hinges on the limits of Nimrods power...to which is an unknown.

Personally, I think if he can overcome Juggs forcefield with his weakness detection/explotation, then (again in my opinion) Nimrod should be able to cook up something suitably effective and lethal for HP Doomsday...

TheLordofMurder
Even Thor's most powerful attack (The God Blast) was incapable of harming Classic Juggs with his forcefield in place...

Nimrod, on the other hand, was fully capable of harming Juggs despite the forcefield...

One can extrapolate from that that Nimrods powers of detecting/exploiting weakness is extremely powerful...

Galan007
Nimrod only harmed Juggernaut with sonics. Sonics don't work on Doomsday:
http://imgur.com/HZK2Ep6
http://imgur.com/7Vfribc

leonidas
a group of kid xmen destroyed nimrod's shell and burst his insides. nimrod is utterly overrated and knocking juggs down with sonics =/= taking out dd who himself is capable of adapting on the fly (not to mention there's no proof juggs HAD his field up....) and nimrod may have been healing from colossus's attack, but dd is capable of moving at superman speeds and is about 1000x stronger than that colossus. nimrod would be destroyed before this ever began. once his shell is cracked like an egg, his internal circuitry would be dismantled. bottom line: he has never been shown to be able to take on someone even CLOSE to this level. there is no support whatsoever from which to conclude that nimrod's powers of adaption could reach the levels needed to fight someone like dd. it's pure fallacy to think they could reach that level. nimrod gets obliterated in this.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
Nimrod only harmed Juggernaut with sonics. Sonics don't work on Doomsday:
http://imgur.com/HZK2Ep6
http://imgur.com/7Vfribc

Surely your not suggesting that Nimrod is limited to only coming up with sonics as a killing tool; he slaughtered most of the mutants in the world in the future...

I am pretty sure he can come up with whatever he needs to kill an opponent after scanning them...

Galan007
You mentioned Nimrod harming Juggernaut. I simply reminded you of the specific method in which he used to harm Juggernaut(ie. sonics.)

I then reminded you that DD is immune to sonics. smile

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by leonidas
a group of kid xmen destroyed nimrod's shell and burst his insides. nimrod is utterly overrated and knocking juggs down with sonics =/= taking out dd who himself is capable of adapting on the fly (not to mention there's no proof juggs HAD his field up....) and nimrod may have been healing from colossus's attack, but dd is capable of moving at superman speeds and is about 1000x stronger than that colossus. nimrod would be destroyed before this ever began. once his shell is cracked like an egg, his internal circuitry would be dismantled. bottom line: he has never been shown to be able to take on someone even CLOSE to this level. there is no support whatsoever from which to conclude that nimrod's powers of adaption could reach the levels needed to fight someone like dd. it's pure fallacy to think they could reach that level. nimrod gets obliterated in this.

Why would it be fallacy to think he could reach the levels needed to beat Doomsday?

You know all these hyperpowerful mutants on Earth running around? Yeah, Nimrod slaughters most of them in the future...

Nimrod can also reconstruct from being beaten into powder; high powered punches and kicks wont destroy him...

And besides, the Xmen only beat him by BFR; Rogue essentailly combined all of their power and that allowed them to use Nightcrawlers power in a way that he wouldnt have been able to do on his own without killing himself...

I think its you that underestimates Nimrod...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
You mentioned Nimrod harming Juggernaut. I simply reminded you of the specific method in which he used to harm Juggernaut(ie. sonics.)

I then reminded you that DD is immune to sonics. smile

Thats fine...

I am sure Nimrod will come up with the appropiate killing mechanism after having analyzed Doomsday...

Igniz
Doomsday destroys Nimrod

Brockalizer
The deciding factor for me is their adaptive abilities and intelligence levels. Doomsday adapts relatively and is purely a melee fighter, devoid of strategic abilities. Nimrod adapts proactively and has the ability to think and strategize. It's nigh impossible to believe that Nimrod can be destroyed simply by punching it a lot. Sure Doomsday may break Nimrod into smaller pieces, but he is also an ADHD fighter. Rather than sticking around to make sure Nimrod is actually destroyed he'll just move on to another target. Nimrod on the other hand can analyze Doomsday and look for weaknesses. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that after the initial scan that he would try something similar to Imperiex's entropy beam.

abhilegend
Tell that to Radiant or Waverider.

JuggernautMania
what i love about people who know shit about Doomsday, is that every time there is a thread involving doomsday everybody act as if anybody can kill doomsday the first time and then he evolves beyond that. doomsday wrecks whole teams of high heralds for a living. there is no way a high meta can come up with anything at all that will harm doomsday. use your brains Lordofwhatever, if a high meta like nimrod is able to hurt doomsday then high heralds like superman suppose to treat him like a toy.

DarkSaint85
So essentially, this thread is what a meta/herald version of 'Batman finds a way' would look like?

Brockalizer
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell that to Radiant or Waverider. Radiant and Waverider don't have the adaptive or scanning abilities that Nimrod does. If they did then Waverider would've known his attack wouldn't work because Doomsday packets systems that he was trying to overload and shut down. And Radiant would've known that the same attack wouldn't work twice. I challenge you to provide even one example of Nimrod being taken out for an extended period of time, solely using brute force.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Radiant and Waverider don't have the adaptive or scanning abilities that Nimrod does. If they did then Waverider would've known his attack wouldn't work because Doomsday packets systems that he was trying to overload and shut down. And Radiant would've known that the same attack wouldn't work twice. I challenge you to provide even one example of Nimrod being taken out for an extended period of time, solely using brute force.
Done.

http://i.imgur.com/H8bPRg3.jpg

That reduced Nimrod to this state for more than 6 months untill Mastermold absorbed him.

http://i.imgur.com/Xaere8o.jpg

Though Doomsday is weaker than that, right?

Brockalizer
Originally posted by abhilegend
Done.

http://i.imgur.com/H8bPRg3.jpg

That reduced Nimrod to this state for more than 6 months untill Mastermold absorbed him.

http://i.imgur.com/Xaere8o.jpg

Though Doomsday is weaker than that, right? It's obvious that the attack didn't destroy Nimrod, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to escape. Not to mention that that particular attack is significantly stronger than any attack Doomsday has ever produced on his own.

Galan007
Lol, you believe "the mass of a small meteor" is > Doomsday's punches? Do you know anything at all about Doomsday and/or the characters he has owned?

leonidas
this thread is ludicrous. anyone who is picking nimrod likely hasn't even read his appearances. he was schooled by a weak xmen team, and a separate time by an even WEAKER xmen team. this attempt to take his adaptive powers to the high herald level is hilarious. the newest machine man used the exact same adaptive tech and couldn't beat VISION decisively. but we're supposed to believe, based on ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, that he can beat someone far FAR faster than anyone he's ever faced, far FAR stronger than anyone he's ever faced and who can adapt on the fly as well as he can?? good lord, wtf is happening in this forum lately....? nimrod/ironman? good fight, could go either way. nimrod/dd?? puhlease.....

carver9
Doomsday stomps. Rogue with the powers of the Xmen (and the strongest member was Colossus) stomped Nimrod brains in. I honestly dont see how someone could vote for it.

CortSether
Nimrod beat Lucifer Morningstar in the other thread. He tears Doomsday a new one here.

NemeBro
You sure are assmad.

-Pr-
Originally posted by leonidas
this thread is ludicrous. anyone who is picking nimrod likely hasn't even read his appearances. he was schooled by a weak xmen team, and a separate time by an even WEAKER xmen team. this attempt to take his adaptive powers to the high herald level is hilarious. the newest machine man used the exact same adaptive tech and couldn't beat VISION decisively. but we're supposed to believe, based on ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, that he can beat someone far FAR faster than anyone he's ever faced, far FAR stronger than anyone he's ever faced and who can adapt on the fly as well as he can?? good lord, wtf is happening in this forum lately....? nimrod/ironman? good fight, could go either way. nimrod/dd?? puhlease.....

Blame Bada.

leonidas
that's funny he said i should blame you... shifty

-Pr-
Lying, lizard bastard.

leonidas
laughing out loud

-K-M-
shifty

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/WeaponXDOFN4-10.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/WeaponXDOFN4-11.jpg

Digi
I feel like y'all are being trolled here. This should probably be closed.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Digi
I feel like y'all are being trolled here. This should probably be closed.

Why exactly is that?

Everything I have stated pertaining Nimrods abilities have been true...

Inaddition, I fully believe that Nimrods feats (both on and off panel) are good enough to give me solid ground to formulate my argument upon...

Nimrod overcame the enchantment of invulnerability of an Elder God; fact...

Nimrod was largely responsible for driving all the mutants on Marvel Earth to near extinction; fact (and a pretty impressive fact when you consider the raw number, abilities, and power level of alot of the mutants running around on Earth)...

Yes, he has been defeated by the Xmen, but so what; hes a villian, hes destined to lose at some point...

Besides, he killed most of the Xmen in the future; so the last laugh was his anyway...

I believe he killed Wolvie on panel if I remember correctly; a pretty good feat of Nimrods weakness detection/exploitation as well considering the things that healing factor have overcome...

So I say again, I am not trolling at all and I fully believe that with the advantage of having already scanned Doomsday before the fight begins, that Nimrod can defeat HP Doomsday...

-K-M-
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I believe he killed Wolvie on panel if I remember correctly; a pretty good feat of Nimrods weakness detection/exploitation as well considering the things that healing factor have overcome...

Unless you're referring to something else, it was just a regular Sentinel

http://i.stack.imgur.com/l6Vs0.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/gtx1j.jpg

Xplosive
Nimrod is a real deal, but Doomsday obliterates him.

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