1) HP Doomsday had already evolved beyond Superman...
2) Motherbox gave Supes gear, not additional powers to fight against HP Doomsday with...
This is a totally different ballgame...
1) HP Doomsday has never encountered Nimrod and has no preexisting adaptations against its abilities...
2) Nimrod has the advantage of having scanned HP Doomsday for weaknesses before the fight starts...
I certainly dont remember that from Hunter/Prey...
Supes (albeit without Motherbox at the time) was seemingly about to lose one on one against Henshaw (as Henshaw seemed capable of immediately reconstructing from whatever Supes threw at him and Henshaw was starting to return fire on Supes) when they clashed on Apokalypse; Henshaw was only stopped by the Omega Effect...
Supes didnt seemed to be amped at all at that point in time from what I remember...
Sure. Sorry in advance for the wall-o-text, but all of the following info is pertinent...
Proof that Superman was amped well beyond his standard levels during the H/P arc:
1.) A few months before the H/P arc began, a depowered Superman encountered Henshaw in 'Superman' v2 #82. As you can see, Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, but Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman himself. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever: http://imgur.com/afwas1f http://imgur.com/rTviBRf http://imgur.com/sIa6JDf http://imgur.com/aifJIPm http://imgur.com/f7Mln3d http://imgur.com/UAFgRuW http://imgur.com/nAPpc9q "I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
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Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful after the above battle. Examples...
"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!": http://imgur.com/cyXBzZW
"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than ever before!": http://imgur.com/Us6v8mS
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Hamilton explains Superman's amp...
"You're absorbing solar radiation--and other energies--much faster than ever before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite--call it Kryptonite-X."
Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"
Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.": http://imgur.com/Q4ptobr http://imgur.com/1Sb6SFT
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His power increase was also referenced during the H/P arc itself...
However, his hugely amplified power during the H/P arc would be flat-out stated years later, in 'The Man of Tomorrow' #9...
"After his recovery, [Superman] was stronger than ever. Good thing, too--'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the extra power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to help him stand up to Doomsday.": http://imgur.com/SuRu2cz
In a nutshell: Superman was massively amped when the H/P arc began(to the point that he could use as little effort as possible, and was still more powerful than he was at his standard levels), yet was laughably inferior to H/P Doomsday. He then further amped his powers with a Mother Box, and was still barely able to give DD pause.
I guess the fight would then hinge on how powerful Nimrods power to scan opponents and come up with lethal solutions for dealing with them is (since Nimrod does have that advantage as per the OP)...
The answer to that question is that we dont know Nimrods limits in that area; what we do know is that he overcame the enchantment of an Elder God and was harming Classic Juggs before the Xmen showed up to save him...he was also largely responsible for driving mutants to the brink of extinction in the future.
If Nimrods power works as advertised, then HP Doomsday still loses despite his massive power, but if Nimrods power fails, this is going to be over in a hurry...
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Also, those explanations as to the events in HP came after the fact...
Once again, Supes didnt seemed to be amped at all when he faced Henshaw on Apokalypse; based on later explanation, are we to then assume that Henshaw was somehow amped as well during Hunter/Prey?
Superman was amped during H/P... And substantially so(even before the Mother Box). Call it a retcon if it helps you make sense of things, but whether or not he appeared to be amped during the series itself is ultimately irrelevant. Point is: he was.
And yes, Henshaw was more powerful than he'd previously been, thanks to the Apokoliptian tech he'd incorporated.
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Well regardless of how powerful HP Doomsday was during that arc, this fight still hinges on the limits of Nimrods power...to which is an unknown.
Personally, I think if he can overcome Juggs forcefield with his weakness detection/explotation, then (again in my opinion) Nimrod should be able to cook up something suitably effective and lethal for HP Doomsday...
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a group of kid xmen destroyed nimrod's shell and burst his insides. nimrod is utterly overrated and knocking juggs down with sonics =/= taking out dd who himself is capable of adapting on the fly (not to mention there's no proof juggs HAD his field up....) and nimrod may have been healing from colossus's attack, but dd is capable of moving at superman speeds and is about 1000x stronger than that colossus. nimrod would be destroyed before this ever began. once his shell is cracked like an egg, his internal circuitry would be dismantled. bottom line: he has never been shown to be able to take on someone even CLOSE to this level. there is no support whatsoever from which to conclude that nimrod's powers of adaption could reach the levels needed to fight someone like dd. it's pure fallacy to think they could reach that level. nimrod gets obliterated in this.
Surely your not suggesting that Nimrod is limited to only coming up with sonics as a killing tool; he slaughtered most of the mutants in the world in the future...
I am pretty sure he can come up with whatever he needs to kill an opponent after scanning them...
Why would it be fallacy to think he could reach the levels needed to beat Doomsday?
You know all these hyperpowerful mutants on Earth running around? Yeah, Nimrod slaughters most of them in the future...
Nimrod can also reconstruct from being beaten into powder; high powered punches and kicks wont destroy him...
And besides, the Xmen only beat him by BFR; Rogue essentailly combined all of their power and that allowed them to use Nightcrawlers power in a way that he wouldnt have been able to do on his own without killing himself...
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