Current Annihilus vs Sentry

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Insane Titan
No Void for Bob

Who wins

tkitna
Current DSentry or a Bob before that?

Annihilus beats a normal Sentry but would lose to DSentry

Stoic
Originally posted by tkitna
Current DSentry or a Bob before that?

Annihilus beats a normal Sentry but would lose to DSentry

I'm not too sure about that. Sentry from my perspective has always appeared to be highly resistant to cosmic, and energy attacks. The problem isn't in putting him down, it's in keeping him down. I think that any Sentry would do extremely well against Annihilus.

tkitna
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not too sure about that. Sentry from my perspective has always appeared to be highly resistant to cosmic, and energy attacks. The problem isn't in putting him down, it's in keeping him down. I think that any Sentry would do extremely well against Annihilus.

I don't know. It took everything Thanos had to put down Annihilus and I look at Thanos as being above the standard Sentry for sure.

One_Angry_Scot
Are we talking about a Stable Sentry here IT?

Surtur
I've said this before, but the Void is just his darkside. He should quite literally be capable of doing anything the Void has done. It's not an alternate being, just a split personality made manifest.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Surtur
I've said this before, but the Void is just his darkside. He should quite literally be capable of doing anything the Void has done. It's not an alternate being, just a split personality made manifest.

Pretty much so. It's just that in general the Void lacks the restraint that the Sentry has.

I mean when Sentry needs to fight with his all he will.

Heck he has defeated the Void himself twice without no outside help. I always like to believe that the Sentry is more powerful than the Void. Or rather he just has that edge over the Void for some reason. Whether it be actual power or sheer will I think he has something more.

basilisk
Death Sentry wins. I think the void is now gone from him isn't it?

Void would also win.

But old regular Sentry not in void mode would lose as often as not. His power levels varied wildly and depended too much on basically how he was feeling. Although as others have stated, actually keeping him down might be difficult.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by basilisk
Death Sentry wins. I think the void is now gone from him isn't it?



Yep.

http://i.imgur.com/ThhWgcKl.jpg

"The Void left me. Bored of the cycle."

Sin I AM
Is currently annihilus possession of n upgrade?

carver9
Both Annihilus and Sentry treated powerful Heralds like fodder (Annihilus - Gladiator and Sentry - Thor). I'm undecided on this one. Depends on how Annihilus mind games work on Sentry or the CR.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is currently annihilus possession of n upgrade?

Yes, he has Hulk powers and he's a beast with it too.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, he has Hulk powers and he's a beast with it too.

Scan/issue number?

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Scan/issue number?

It would be the Hulk vs Thanos comic where he first gains the powers.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Scan/issue number?

What do you want scans of? Him first getting the powers?

DarkSaint85
Sentry wins this.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Scan/issue number? he easily owned the Hulk.

He fought Thanos in the recent Infinty relativity book, where he had grown stronger the longer he had the powers along with the control rod. Thanos eventually beat him down, but Thanos stated the new Annihilus was at least as powerful as him.

Surtur
If Annihilus is as powerful as him then how did he end up beating him down?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Surtur
If Annihilus is as powerful as him then how did he end up beating him down?

Annihilus > Hulk.

carver9
Originally posted by Surtur
If Annihilus is as powerful as him then how did he end up beating him down?

He didn't beat him down. Hulk ran throughout half of the comic because Annihilus used his fear power against him and by the end, Hulk was getting blasted. The fight was lame and the entire Thanos vs Hulk showing was Hulk being manipulated via mind game. Hulk hit him three times damaging him with the second punch. The rest of the fight was all mind games.

Surtur
I wasn't talking about Hulk. Someone said Thanos beat down Annihilus, but then he commented on panel that Annihilus was as powerful as him.

carver9
Here is the showing thanks to Bran.


Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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carver9
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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Insane Titan
Originally posted by Surtur
If Annihilus is as powerful as him then how did he end up beating him down? By been more experienced at using his powers.

Plenty of characters get beat others as powerful as them.

Magnon
Hmm.. hard to say. Annihilus defeated current Hulk quite easily whereas Sentry could only stalemate world war Hulk. But then again, WWH was perhaps more powerful than the current version...

Lets say 6/10 in Annihilus' favor.

carver9
Originally posted by Magnon
Hmm.. hard to say. Annihilus defeated current Hulk quite easily whereas Sentry could only stalemate world war Hulk. But then again, WWH was perhaps more powerful than the current version...

Lets say 6/10 in Annihilus' favor.

Scans of Annihilus defeating Hulk.

Insane Titan
Thanos vs Hulk comic , you've cried over it.

ODG
Death Sentry. Unless Annihilus' fear power could successfully unsettle him again and bring about a debilitating fit of agoraphobia.

Stoic
Originally posted by Magnon
Hmm.. hard to say. Annihilus defeated current Hulk quite easily whereas Sentry could only stalemate world war Hulk. But then again, WWH was perhaps more powerful than the current version...

Lets say 6/10 in Annihilus' favor.

There was nothing easy about that fight for Annihilus. You should go back and read it again. Did you read it? Hulk actually chipped his carapace up, and made him work for everything. At the end there was no winner. Pip showed up and teleported the Hulk and himself out of there. As for this fight Sentry probably wins this.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by Stoic
There was nothing easy about that fight for Annihilus. You should go back and read it again. Did you read it? Hulk actually chipped his carapace up, and made him work for everything. At the end there was no winner. Pip showed up and teleported the Hulk and himself out of there. As for this fight Sentry probably wins this.

I just read it today. Hulk got that one good shot in, but chipping the most apparently fragile part of the carapace is about as impressive as tearing your opponent's shirt.

Aside from two hits, both of which were surprises and one of which was made possible by a third-party distraction, Hulk was getting smacked around with ridiculous ease by an Annihilus who was still just getting used to his new powers. Pip feared for Hulk's life and when it was over, Banner needed first-aid and nap (although many factors may have contributed to this nap)

It is true that the fight was never finished, so Hulk never "lost." But it was plainly one-sided.

Stoic
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I just read it today. Hulk got that one good shot in, but chipping the most apparently fragile part of the carapace is about as impressive as tearing your opponent's shirt.

Aside from two hits, both of which were surprises and one of which was made possible by a third-party distraction, Hulk was getting smacked around with ridiculous ease by an Annihilus who was still just getting used to his new powers. Pip feared for Hulk's life and when it was over, Banner needed first-aid and nap (although many factors may have contributed to this nap)

It is true that the fight was never finished, so Hulk never "lost." But it was plainly one-sided.


The longer most fights go on with the Hulk the stronger he gets as well. This is somewhat of a perspective that the casual viewer may overlook. The dialogue in the next book says that Gladiator was easily as strong as the Hulk, but he was defeated, while the Hulk wasn't. There have been times that it looked like the Hulk was on the verge of defeat, but then he turns around and wins. The fight wasn't over, so it's anyone's guess how it would have actually ended. Also who snuck up on whom? Annihilus appeared behind the Hulk when the battle began if i recall correctly.

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I just read it today. Hulk got that one good shot in, but chipping the most apparently fragile part of the carapace is about as impressive as tearing your opponent's shirt.

Aside from two hits, both of which were surprises and one of which was made possible by a third-party distraction, Hulk was getting smacked around with ridiculous ease by an Annihilus who was still just getting used to his new powers. Pip feared for Hulk's life and when it was over, Banner needed first-aid and nap (although many factors may have contributed to this nap)

It is true that the fight was never finished, so Hulk never "lost." But it was plainly one-sided.

The ONLY time the fight went against Hulk was when Annihilus used his fear power. Before that, it was even.

Also, what difference did Annihilus show in his fight against Gladiator and Thanos than what he showed against Hulk? He fought the same way. Hell, his blasts against Hulk seemed more devistating.

Diesldude
Originally posted by carver9


He's clearly bigger when fighting Thanos than when he was fighting gladiator and probably more powerful.

carver9
Originally posted by Diesldude
He's clearly bigger when fighting Thanos than when he was fighting gladiator and probably more powerful.

You're right. Let's use that as a scale of power. He was obviously bigger when he fought Hulk than he was when he fought Thanos and Gladiator...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-06-16-00-24-33_zpsb77gtobt.png.html

I guess that means he had more power here as well?

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by Stoic
The longer most fights go on with the Hulk the stronger he gets as well. This is somewhat of a perspective that the casual viewer may overlook. The dialogue in the next book says that Gladiator was easily as strong as the Hulk, but he was defeated, while the Hulk wasn't. There have been times that it looked like the Hulk was on the verge of defeat, but then he turns around and wins. The fight wasn't over, so it's anyone's guess how it would have actually ended.

In other words, let's go ahead and say that Hulk being horribly outclassed is a sign that he had Annihilus right where he wanted him... Hontestly, I hear what you're saying, but the fight really wasn't that close. It crosses into no-limit fallacy territory to suggest Hulk could have been on the verge of turning things around.



He appeared behind him and exchanged words for a couple of panels before smacking him around. it wasn't any sort of surprise attack.

Anyway, read the fight again. It's pretty obvious that its whole narrative purpose is to establish Annihilus as a guy newly above Hulk's weight class.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
The ONLY time the fight went against Hulk was when Annihilus used his fear power. Before that, it was even.

No it wasn't. Hulk got in one punch that turned Anni's head a little. Anni got in three shots against Hulk, all of which left Hulk with no say in the trajectory of his body. That's not how even fights are depicted in comics or, I think, in the imagination of good sense.



Ignoring the "seemed more devastating" comment as non-analysis, its worth noting that Annihilus refers frequently throughout his three fights to the idea that he's testing his powe,r and that the Thanos fight goes out of its way to remind us that experience makes people stronger. But beyond that, it's just speculation.

It's more likely that he just beat Glads so easily because Glads was still affected by the fear power. Just because he overcame his fear enough to fight doesnt mean his confidence was high.

Stoic
Carver do you have the scans of the majority of said battle between Anni and the Hulk? Because this needs to be laid to rest. The Hulk can and has taken beatings before, but he has also gotten back up.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
In other words, let's go ahead and say that Hulk being horribly outclassed is a sign that he had Annihilus right where he wanted him... Hontestly, I hear what you're saying, but the fight really wasn't that close. It crosses into no-limit fallacy territory to suggest Hulk could have been on the verge of turning things around.



He appeared behind him and exchanged words for a couple of panels before smacking him around. it wasn't any sort of surprise attack.

Anyway, read the fight again. It's pretty obvious that its whole narrative purpose is to establish Annihilus as a guy newly above Hulk's weight class.

It isn't a no limits fallacy to cite a characters powers. From what I recall of the battle, at no time did Annihilus nearly KO the Hulk. Therefore, me stating that the Hulk would have become stronger as the match progressed shouldn't in any way seem like an impossibility. For you to even bring the no fallacy fallacy into this makes me feel as if you believed that Annihilus had no limits himself. You see how this works? Annihilus beat the mess out of Gladiator within seconds, while being unable to put the Hulk down. Not to mention that the Hulk being used was the very same one that the Void had his way with.

Three things should be taken from this.

1. The Hulk can, and has been shown to be far more powerful than his Savage incarnation.

2. The Sentry beat the hell out of the Void.

3. If the Sentry took out the guy that nearly broke every bone in the Savage Hulk's body, while Annihilus was unable to even break one, I would think that the Sentry is well above Annihilus. I mean, if we had to compare.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
The ONLY time the fight went against Hulk was when Annihilus used his fear power. Before that, it was even.

I.e when Annihilus used his powers, Hulk was losing.




We won't be using collateral damage, would we, Carver?

Stoic
What's wrong with using collateral damage? If a guy is shown punching a planet apart, it kind of tells us that he's pretty strong. If there is something wrong with it, then people have really got to stop using the bench pressing the Earth's weight for 7 days reference.

Stoic
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
In other words, let's go ahead and say that Hulk being horribly outclassed is a sign that he had Annihilus right where he wanted him... Hontestly, I hear what you're saying, but the fight really wasn't that close. It crosses into no-limit fallacy territory to suggest Hulk could have been on the verge of turning things around.



He appeared behind him and exchanged words for a couple of panels before smacking him around. it wasn't any sort of surprise attack.

Anyway, read the fight again. It's pretty obvious that its whole narrative purpose is to establish Annihilus as a guy newly above Hulk's weight class.

Also, I have to remind you that when the Hulk first transforms that even Wonder Man would be above his present level. The Hulk grows in power. It isn't that he has no limit to the amount that he can grow in power, it's just that Annihilus isn't infinitely powerful himself. Let's all remember where Annihilus got his new found physical power from in the first place. Let's also remember that the Hulk had been anally probed, and prodded for God knows how long, so he may not have been in tip top. i mean if we're going to speculate about power levels.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Stoic
What's wrong with using collateral damage? If a guy is shown punching a planet apart, it kind of tells us that he's pretty strong. If there is something wrong with it, then people have really got to stop using the bench pressing the Earth's weight for 7 days reference.

Carver usually argues against using collateral damage when it suits him, so I delight in taking every opportunity I can to point it out.

carver9
@Stoic...

Here ya go. Annihilus used his fear based powers during the onset of the battle which changed the fight. Also, Dream stuff...you need to provide some concrete evidence that Annihilus used his fear power against Gladiator.


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carver9
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WWH would've beat Annihilus senseless.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
WWH would've beat Annihilus senseless.

And as the gap between Annihilus and WWH is so vast, and WWH stalemated/beat Sentry (who was a weaker version of D Sentry), surely it's a horrific spite stomp for D Sentry in this thread?

Of course, one could argue that WWH outright beat Sentry - 100% not denying that. It was a good close fight though, which leads me to suspect the gap between the two was pretty close. Certainly closer than WWH beating Sentry senseless.

IOW:

WWH = >Sentry>>>Annihilus>Hulk Anni beat

And since D Sentry >>Sentry, then:

D Sentry >>>>>Annihilus.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by Stoic
Also, I have to remind you that when the Hulk first transforms that even Wonder Man would be above his present level. The Hulk grows in power. It isn't that he has no limit to the amount that he can grow in power, it's just that Annihilus isn't infinitely powerful himself. Let's all remember where Annihilus got his new found physical power from in the first place. Let's also remember that the Hulk had been anally probed, and prodded for God knows how long, so he may not have been in tip top. i mean if we're going to speculate about power levels.

I have to remind you that Hulk hadn't just transformed. He had already fought and defeated dozens of bug footsoldiers and Blastarr(sp?), and was made pretty angry (but not hurt) in the process.

Let us also remember that we didnt actually see Hulk being hurt during the experiments or hear it referenced in any way.

And no, Anni isn't infinitely powerful. We know exactly how powerful he is. He's as powerful as Thanos.

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I have to remind you that Hulk hadn't just transformed. He had already fought and defeated dozens of bug footsoldiers and Blastarr(sp?), and was made pretty angry (but not hurt) in the process.

Let us also remember that we didnt actually see Hulk being hurt during the experiments or hear it referenced in any way.

And no, Anni isn't infinitely powerful. We know exactly how powerful he is. He's as powerful as Thanos.

Hulk also got his power added to Annihilus moments before that. Just got out of a mechanic mind tampering and got his brain beat the hell out of by Thanos when Thanos invaded his brain. An argument can be made that Hulk wasn't at his best since moments before facing Annihilus, he got his powers tampered with (via adding his power to bug boy).

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And as the gap between Annihilus and WWH is so vast, and WWH stalemated/beat Sentry (who was a weaker version of D Sentry), surely it's a horrific spite stomp for D Sentry in this thread?

Of course, one could argue that WWH outright beat Sentry - 100% not denying that. It was a good close fight though, which leads me to suspect the gap between the two was pretty close. Certainly closer than WWH beating Sentry senseless.

IOW:

WWH = >Sentry>>>Annihilus>Hulk Anni beat

And since D Sentry >>Sentry, then:

D Sentry >>>>>Annihilus.

Huh?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Huh?

If WWH would beat Annihilus senseless, than so would the Sentry from WWH.

Now, D Sentry is > that Sentry, so he would absolutely stomp Annihilus.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If WWH would beat Annihilus senseless, than so would the Sentry from WWH.

Now, D Sentry is > that Sentry, so he would absolutely stomp Annihilus.

Maybe I should've worded what I said better (even though the Sentry from WWH was monstrous), GREENSCAR would merk Annihilus. This version of Hulk ventured more into his powers.

DarkSaint85
Still, D Sentry is far above Sentry........as he also ventured more into his powers evil face

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk also got his power added to Annihilus moments before that. Just got out of a mechanic mind tampering and got his brain beat the hell out of by Thanos when Thanos invaded his brain. An argument can be made that Hulk wasn't at his best since moments before facing Annihilus, he got his powers tampered with (via adding his power to bug boy).

You could make that argument, but it wouldn't be based on anything on panel. There is no evidence that Hulk was hurt in any way. There's no evidence that Annihilus replicating Hulk's power in anyway weakened Hulk. If the mental battle with Thanos wore him out, neither Hulk nor Banner made any comment to that effect and Hulk was still eager for a real foght as soon as he woke.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Stoic
Also, I have to remind you that when the Hulk first transforms that even Wonder Man would be above his present level. The Hulk grows in power. It isn't that he has no limit to the amount that he can grow in power, it's just that Annihilus isn't infinitely powerful himself. Let's all remember where Annihilus got his new found physical power from in the first place. Let's also remember that the Hulk had been anally probed, and prodded for God knows how long, so he may not have been in tip top. i mean if we're going to speculate about power levels.

So he grows in power, check.

The madder he gets, the stronger he gets, check.

He was anally probed, check.

He didn't get stronger, and you posit he was actually weakened.

Conclusion: Hulk liked the anal probes.

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
You could make that argument, but it wouldn't be based on anything on panel. There is no evidence that Hulk was hurt in any way. There's no evidence that Annihilus replicating Hulk's power in anyway weakened Hulk. If the mental battle with Thanos wore him out, neither Hulk nor Banner made any comment to that effect and Hulk was still eager for a real foght as soon as he woke.

Lol...Hulk doesn't showcase that he is weakened but everything I said did happen. He had a gizmo on while all of this happened to his body so like I said before, an argument can be made.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Still, D Sentry is far above Sentry........as he also ventured more into his powers evil face

And Greenscar after WWH became significantly more powerful so what I said still holds weight. I never gave an opinion on who would win this fight.

DarkSaint85
An equal argument can be made that Hulk likes it up the pooper.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
And Greenscar after WWH became significantly more powerful so what I said still holds weight. I never gave an opinion on who would win this fight.

I know you didn't. You said it could go either way - implying it was close.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
An equal argument can be made that Hulk likes it up the pooper.

laughing out loud

Whatever. It was stated here that Hulk energy (energy FROM the Hulk) was being manipulated.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-06-16-12-07-29_zps3w3t4mhg.png.html

Lol...they were taking power from him and adding it to Annihilus.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know you didn't. You said it could go either way - implying it was close.

Due to Annihilus fear based powers which wouldn't work on Greenscar since a similar attempt was tried and of course, it failed.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Due to Annihilus fear based powers which wouldn't work on Greenscar since a similar attempt was tried and of course, it failed.

And D Sentry has lost the one thing he was afraid of - the Void. So not sure what fear based powers would do - don't forget, even before this, Sentry was powerful enough to TP the entire Earth. Unless Annihilus created visions of giant worms, perhaps.

Insane Titan
This thread isn't death Sentry

DarkSaint85
Too late!!!

I guess it depends on the Sentry level...

carver9
With that said, I'm giving this to Annihilus.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
laughing out loud

Whatever. It was stated here that Hulk energy (energy FROM the Hulk) was being manipulated.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-06-16-12-07-29_zps3w3t4mhg.png.html

Lol...they were taking power from him and adding it to Annihilus.

That's not what the scan says. It says "complex manipulation" of Hulk's "mystery element." It does not say that the element was energy or that it was extracted from Hulk in any way.



http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1.jpg.html

This page is one of three that suggests otherwise.

The words they keep using are "identify" and "synthesize." In other words, they're studying Hulk with scanners and manufacturing their own version of whatever "mystery element" they find. At no point do they appear to take energy from the Hulk or hurt him during their experiments.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
Due to Annihilus fear based powers which wouldn't work on Greenscar since a similar attempt was tried and of course, it failed.

The fight is ome-sided the whole time, whereas Anni is explicitly only using his fear power for a few pages in the middle.

Estacado
That's carter for ya...

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
That's not what the scan says. It says "complex manipulation" of Hulk's "mystery element." It does not say that the element was energy or that it was extracted from Hulk in any way.



http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1.jpg.html

This page is one of three that suggests otherwise.

The words they keep using are "identify" and "synthesize." In other words, they're studying Hulk with scanners and manufacturing their own version of whatever "mystery element" they find. At no point do they appear to take energy from the Hulk or hurt him during their experiments.

MANIPULATING the energy FROM THE Hulk. It doesn't have to outright tell you that he is being harm. It's pretty obvious based off of all that GREEN energy going on around the room.

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
The fight is ome-sided the whole time, whereas Anni is explicitly only using his fear power for a few pages in the middle.

Show me where he turned it off at. Scan please.

carver9
Originally posted by Estacado
That's carter for ya...

Only takes a few minutes of your time to debate.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
Show me where he turned it off at. Scan please.

http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1_1.jpg.html

Read the whole left panel.

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1_1.jpg.html

Read the whole left panel.

thumb up

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Show me where he turned it off at. Scan please.

Show me where Hulk was weakened. Scan please.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
MANIPULATING the energy FROM THE Hulk. It doesn't have to outright tell you that he is being harm. It's pretty obvious based off of all that GREEN energy going on around the room.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this confusion is because you just don't know what the word "synthesize" means. It means, they made their own "mystery element" based on th Hulk rather than actually taking his energy.

Please read the comic more carefully. They literally say so: "synthetic replication achieved."

http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1_2.jpg.html

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this confusion is because you just don't know what the word "synthesize" means. It means, they made their own "mystery element" based on th Hulk rather than actually taking his energy.

Please read the comic more carefully. They literally say so: "synthetic replication achieved."

http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1_2.jpg.html

And here they say manipulating of the mysterious element 'from' the Hulk which is the reason they transformed him 'before' the procedure.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
And here they say manipulating of the mysterious element 'from' the Hulk which is the reason they transformed him 'before' the procedure.

They scanned the Hulk, found what they wanted and replicated it. So its "from" Hulk, but they don't actually remove it from him. That's what the scanners and replicators are for.

Reasonable disagreement is one thing, but they literally talk you through the procedure on the page. There's no argument left here.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
They scanned the Hulk, found what they wanted and replicated it. So its "from" Hulk, but they don't actually remove it from him. That's what the scanners and replicators are for.

Reasonable disagreement is one thing, but they literally talk you through the procedure on the page. There's no argument left here. thumb up you are wasting your time telling carver anything against the Hulk.

Stoic
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I have to remind you that Hulk hadn't just transformed. He had already fought and defeated dozens of bug footsoldiers and Blastarr(sp?), and was made pretty angry (but not hurt) in the process.

Let us also remember that we didnt actually see Hulk being hurt during the experiments or hear it referenced in any way.

And no, Anni isn't infinitely powerful. We know exactly how powerful he is. He's as powerful as Thanos.

You are correct. I won't deny it, and I think that was a very good catch. However he is still capable to taking it up even higher. What we saw during that conflict was nothing close to what the Savage Hulk has been seen on panel to do. As I've already stated, he does not have limitless strength, but he has done better than what we saw when he fought Annihilus. As horribly portrayed as his fight with Gladiator in the past; the Hulk was in a dying state, and he beat Gladiator as badly as Annihilus did. Again, artistic portrayal can not, and should not reduce the idea that a sufficiently pissed Hulk would destroy Gladiator, considering the way that Gladiator fights in character.

The Green Scar, War Hulk, Savage Hulk, Maestro, Grey Hulk all have one thing in common, they all have the potential to reach the same level of power. The only difference is that it takes some longer than other to reach his greatest heights of power. If Annihilus did not KO the Hulk within a certain amount of time, it would become more difficult to actually KO him. If they had fought for an hour (PIS aside) the Hulk would have become too much for Annihilus to actually handle.

This is how the Hulk's powers work. Do you agree that the more excited he becomes, the more his adrenaline allows for him to increase in strength? If so then we would be in agreement. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Annihilus actually grows in strength with rage. For instance; She Hulk, Abomination, Red Hulk, Skaar, Red She Hulk, A-Bomb did not have the ability to ramp up with anger, and the only other Hulk with dynamic strength is the Hulk's daughter. Her powers work in the direct opposite of his. She increases in strength the more calm she becomes. There is no evidence that Annihilus has this in common with the Hulk. She Hulk after all got her powers directly from the Hulk, and she does not have dynamic strength potentials past a certain point. She has to work out in human form to become exponentially stronger in her mutated form.

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@Carver, thanks for the scans, because they show that the Hulk wasn't in as much danger as many may believe. I have seen the Hulk lose all of his skin, and reduced to a near skeleton, only to come back from it within seconds. I have seen his heart pulled from his body. I've seen him reduced to intestines, and bones after being devoured by mutant cockroaches, nearly destroyed by Zeus. One thing was missing from his fight with Annihilus. He never once looked like he was in that much trouble, and unable to heal and come back from it all. Things would have been different if he was unable to heal.

I give credit where I think it's due, and many times I am wrong, but i don't feel at all in error this time around. I believe that if Annihilus did not KO the Hulk, he would have steadily grown too powerful for Annihilus to defeat without BFR. Now Bob was more powerful than the Savage Hulk, based on portrayal during WW Hulk, and in reference to his defeat at the hands of Void. Bob kicked Voids @$$ in. Power is power, and I believe that the Sentry being used in this thread would defeat Annihilus with quite a bit of difficulty, but he would win.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Stoic
You are correct. I won't deny it, and I think that was a very good catch. However he is still capable to taking it up even higher. What we saw during that conflict was nothing close to what the Savage Hulk has been seen on panel to do. As I've already stated, he does not have limitless strength, but he has done better than what we saw when he fought Annihilus. As horribly portrayed as his fight with Gladiator in the past; the Hulk was in a dying state, and he beat Gladiator as badly as Annihilus did. Again, artistic portrayal can not, and should not reduce the idea that a sufficiently pissed Hulk would destroy Gladiator, considering the way that Gladiator fights in character.

The Green Scar, War Hulk, Savage Hulk, Maestro, Grey Hulk all have one thing in common, they all have the potential to reach the same level of power. The only difference is that it takes some longer than other to reach his greatest heights of power. If Annihilus did not KO the Hulk within a certain amount of time, it would become more difficult to actually KO him. If they had fought for an hour (PIS aside) the Hulk would have become too much for Annihilus to actually handle.

This is how the Hulk's powers work. Do you agree that the more excited he becomes, the more his adrenaline allows for him to increase in strength? If so then we would be in agreement. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Annihilus actually grows in strength with rage. For instance; She Hulk, Abomination, Red Hulk, Skaar, Red She Hulk, A-Bomb did not have the ability to ramp up with anger, and the only other Hulk with dynamic strength is the Hulk's daughter. Her powers work in the direct opposite of his. She increases in strength the more calm she becomes. There is no evidence that Annihilus has this in common with the Hulk. She Hulk after all got her powers directly from the Hulk, and she does not have dynamic strength potentials past a certain point. She has to work out in human form to become exponentially stronger in her mutated form.

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@Carver, thanks for the scans, because they show that the Hulk wasn't in as much danger as many may believe. I have seen the Hulk lose all of his skin, and reduced to a near skeleton, only to come back from it within seconds. I have seen his heart pulled from his body. I've seen him reduced to intestines, and bones after being devoured by mutant cockroaches, nearly destroyed by Zeus. One thing was missing from his fight with Annihilus. He never once looked like he was in that much trouble, and unable to heal and come back from it all. Things would have been different if he was unable to heal.

I give credit where I think it's due, and many times I am wrong, but i don't feel at all in error this time around. I believe that if Annihilus did not KO the Hulk, he would have steadily grown too powerful for Annihilus to defeat without BFR. Now Bob was more powerful than the Savage Hulk, based on portrayal during WW Hulk, and in reference to his defeat at the hands of Void. Bob kicked Voids @$$ in. Power is power, and I believe that the Sentry being used in this thread would defeat Annihilus with quite a bit of difficulty, but he would win. The Annihilus Thanos fought was more powerful than the one Hulk fought.

Stoic
Originally posted by Insane Titan
The Annihilus Thanos fought was more powerful than the one Hulk fought.

I don't know? What makes you believe this? I ask, because I wasn't able to tell. Was there something that was said to prove this beyond any doubt? I know that the Hulk, and Lyra were the only gamma mutants capable of dynamic strength. Could he have been using the CCR at greater levels? I recall him stating something about finally having the ability to test his powers out on Gladiator, which made me think that his last battle before that had been with the Hulk. That isn't much to go on in terms of experience with is new found power IMO.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Stoic
I don't know? What makes you believe this? I ask, because I wasn't able to tell. Was there something that was said to prove this beyond any doubt? I know that the Hulk, and Lyra were the only gamma mutants capable of dynamic strength. Could he have been using the CCR at greater levels? I recall him stating something about finally having the ability to test his powers out on Gladiator, which made me think that his last battle before that had been with the Hulk. That isn't much to go on in terms of experience with is new found power IMO. it was stated in the comic by Thanos himself that Annihilus had become more powerful as time had gone on.

Surtur
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
That's not what the scan says. It says "complex manipulation" of Hulk's "mystery element."

So now Marvel is doing X-Rated comics..nice.

ODG
Originally posted by Insane Titan
it was stated in the comic by Thanos himself that Annihilus had become more powerful as time had gone on. It was?

Stoic
Originally posted by ODG
It was?

Yes, I do recall something that Thanos said that went to the tune of Annihilus' power had grown like his (Thanos') and Warlock's, but that Thanos had been finding ways, or working on ways to augment his physical/personal might for millenia or some such, while Annihilus had only been at it for 100 or so years. It was the last part of 100 years that made me dismiss that Annihilus was steadily growing in power presently, and that his acquisition of this new found might was his augmentation. Not that he was steadily increasing in power. I can see why IT, and Dream could come to that conclusion. I think it could be a way of seeing it. Not sure if it was solid enough to make it out that Annihilus' shares the Hulk's ability to ramp up in strength though? I really need more proof, as I have yet to see another Gamma Mutate with dynamic strength... Well, barring Lyra.

zopzop
IMHO :
1) Emo Sentry loses badly
2) Stable Sentry loses after a good fight
3) Void influence Sentry (ie molecular manipulation) crushes Annihilus
4) Full Void or DSentry crushes Annihilus

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO :
1) Emo Sentry loses badly
2) Stable Sentry loses after a good fight
3) Void influence Sentry (ie molecular manipulation) crushes Annihilus
4) Full Void or DSentry crushes Annihilus

A Stable Sentry did defeat the Void on his own though don't forget. And he didn't need any amps for it either.

carver9
It was never said that Annihilus power 'grown' but it did say he evolved. That could mean a lot of things.

DarkSaint85
If something evolves, it becomes better.

Otherwise, it devolves.

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If something evolves, it becomes better.

Otherwise, it devolves.

That could mean that his powers evolved from what they previously were, and not that it was in any way compared to what power the Hulk had. At this point we're drawing straws, and coming to unknown conclusions. I'm not 100% certain if he was stronger in his showing against Gladiator than he was when he fought the Hulk. A dying Hulk beat the mess out of Gladiator, so it's a little difficult to gauge just how powerful Annihilus was. He was most certainly powerful though.

Insane Titan
Lol the sad lengths posters go to trying to discredit feats.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by Stoic
That could mean that his powers evolved from what they previously were, and not that it was in any way compared to what power the Hulk had. At this point we're drawing straws, and coming to unknown conclusions. I'm not 100% certain if he was stronger in his showing against Gladiator than he was when he fought the Hulk. A dying Hulk beat the mess out of Gladiator, so it's a little difficult to gauge just how powerful Annihilus was. He was most certainly powerful though.

Although it is ambiguous, it does not appear that Anni's fear aura goes away when he is fighting Glads the way it did when he was fighting Hulk. That would suggest that he has gotten more control over his new powers.

Another thing to note: Thanos's quote is that Annihilus is "evolving" not "evolved." But it's hard to know how literally to take that.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Thanos also said Anni was as powerful as him.. not sure how to take that either considering he beat him.

carver9
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thanos also said Anni was as powerful as him.. not sure how to take that either considering he beat him.

Thanos also said that Warlock is as powerful as Infinity and that him and Annihilus is his/Warlock equal. Overall, Thanos words are crap.

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Although it is ambiguous, it does not appear that Anni's fear aura goes away when he is fighting Glads the way it did when he was fighting Hulk. That would suggest that he has gotten more control over his new powers.

Another thing to note: Thanos's quote is that Annihilus is "evolving" not "evolved." But it's hard to know how literally to take that.

Prove that he used his fear power against Gladiator or Thanos.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
Thanos also said that Warlock is as powerful as Infinity

Yes he does.

And he also explains that Warlock can only use a fraction of his power right now because of a psychological block. His scientific readings of the power within Warlock are confirmed by Annihilus's scientists, the Kree, the Skrulls, Galactus and Reed Richards

You have what reason to doubt it?



No, he does not.

He compares himself, Warlock and Anni as alike in the sense that they are all significant novelties in the universe, but he never says that he and Anni are as powerful as Warlock should be. In fact, he says that once Warlock realizes his full potential, Lock could concievably eliminate his existence with a thought.

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Yes he does.

And he also explains that Warlock can only use a fraction of his power right now because of a psychological block. His scientific readings of the power within Warlock are confirmed by Annihilus's scientists, the Kree, the Skrulls, Galactus and Reed Richards

You have what reason to doubt it?



No, he does not.

He compares himself, Warlock and Anni as alike in the sense that they are all significant novelties in the universe, but he never says that he and Anni are as powerful as Warlock should be. In fact, he says that once Warlock realizes his full potential, Lock could concievably eliminate his existence with a thought.

Fraction of Eternity? Still humongous.

Lol...I don't know where you get this stuff from.

"He is changing into a being much like Warlock and myself".

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-076.jpg.html

The rest of that stuff you said is obviously made up but it did sound good though.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
Prove that he used his fear power against Gladiator or Thanos.

Can you just get a copy of the comic rather than making me post and describe every page?

My connection is too slow where i am to upload pages. But He uses it against the entire population of the asteroid, affecting every non-bug except for Warlock and Thanos. Glads quickly overcomes his fear (much like Hulk did eventually) and punches Anni before getting stomped. After the beatdown, the rest of the population, including heroes, are still overwhelmed by fear with no indication that the broadcast ever stopped or resumed. Only being touched by Warlock, knocked out or removed from the asteroid releases the other heroes.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I don't know where you get this stuff from.

The comic, which I'm having difficulty believing you actually read straight through, as opposed to just skimming for pages to use out of context.




For example, to understand that quote, you need the context that it is a callback to when Thanos said this to Warlock earlier: "The two of us are unlike all others. Far from the astral norm."





It was made up by the team of Jim Starlin, Andy Smith and Frank D'Armata.

Kid Kurdy
True that Hulk got smacked around.

But it did absolutely nothing, Hulk didn't seem hurt in the least.

If Annihilus would have kept fighting that way, Hulk would have destroyed him because he would get stronger and Annihilus doesn't.

It really isn't that complicated.

Dream Stuff
Okay, Carver, I'm back on a computer. Tell me what you think I made up and I'll prove it to you one by one.

Of course, there's no shame in just admitting that you got excited and swam out a little too far from shore. I accept polite apologies.

Surtur
To be fair a persons powers CAN evolve in different ways, not exactly equating to more powerful. If I have TK and can lift up 20 tons with it..and then the power evolves..I might still be unable to lift more then 20 tons with it, but I might of received a finer degree of control over the power. So the power evolved, but didn't actually become more potent, just more versatile.

But moot I guess, not like you could use "Thanos said he was on his level" as a feat for Annihilus in debates.

Tony Stark
Any version of SENTRY wins

basilisk
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
True that Hulk got smacked around.

But it did absolutely nothing, Hulk didn't seem hurt in the least.

If Annihilus would have kept fighting that way, Hulk would have destroyed him because he would get stronger and Annihilus doesn't.

It really isn't that complicated. I wasn't actually that impressed with Annihilus after all the big talk. Sure, he had Hulk on the run at first with the fear power, the cosmic blasts hurt, and he beat on him a couple of times, but it didn't seem to actually do much. In fact Hulk managed to damage Annihilus. Then Hulk was hitting Anni when Pip removed him from the battle. Despite Anni have cosmic + Hulk power he still didn't manage to win and this wasn't even a very impressive looking Hulk. A dumb Hulk who seemed more confused than angry - not exactly WWH material.

Anni reminded me of those Secret Invasion skrulls supposedly with all the stacked copied powers who then seemed to be treated like fodder later on.

A non-emo stable Sentry really should be able to win this, and DSentry destroys him.

tkitna
Originally posted by basilisk
I wasn't actually that impressed with Annihilus after all the big talk.

It took Thanos everything he had to beat him.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by tkitna
It took Thanos everything he had to beat him. Basilisk thinks Thanos is mid herald though.

basilisk
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Basilisk thinks Thanos is mid herald though. Lol, no, he's definitely beyond that he beats mid-heralds I just think he's a good level below skyfather. And the fact remains, the supposedly amped Anni got damaged by, failed to stop, and was still getting hit by a pretty lackluster dumb Hulk incarnation.

That whole Hulk/Thanos/Annihilus storyline was utter garbage from start to finish anyway, so it hardly seems worth discussing what happened or if it made sense. I strongly suspect they changed it from a Hulk arc and into a standalone series so it wouldn't damage sales of the ongoing series with how much it stunk. Starlin hasn't written anything much good this century. He seems content to plod on authoring predictable nonsense with preschool level dialogue and plots with CIS and PIS that mainly caters for feat obsessed fans. Give me his older stuff any day.

Insane Titan
So you just confirmed what I said, but in a indirect way.

basilisk
Originally posted by Insane Titan
So you just confirmed what I said, but in a indirect way. Not at all, I said I don't think he is mid herald at all. He's above typical heralds. And also that the story was rubbish anyway.

Dream Stuff
Originally posted by basilisk
And the fact remains, the supposedly amped Anni got damaged by

Can we stop saying this like it mattters? Anni's carapace isn't really a part of him. It's just an outfit he puts on. Having a tip of its antenna broken by Hulk isn't a strike against Annihilus.

And why are we calling this a lackluster Hulk? Other than getting sacked around by a guy who later slaughters Gladiator and pushes Thanos, what did Hulk fail to do here? He crushed Anni's forces easily and one-shotted the ground so hard it split a skyscraper completely in half. He wasn't at WWH levels, but it wasn't a low showing.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Can we stop saying this like it mattters? Anni's carapace isn't really a part of him. It's just an outfit he puts on. But.....but it makes Hulk look good though and in turn Thanos worse!

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Can we stop saying this like it mattters? Anni's carapace isn't really a part of him. It's just an outfit he puts on. Having a tip of its antenna broken by Hulk isn't a strike against Annihilus.

And why are we calling this a lackluster Hulk? Other than getting sacked around by a guy who later slaughters Gladiator and pushes Thanos, what did Hulk fail to do here? He crushed Anni's forces easily and one-shotted the ground so hard it split a skyscraper completely in half. He wasn't at WWH levels, but it wasn't a low showing.

His carapace is much denser than his body though. Hulk damaging it with a punch is a great showing. Then it was a scared Hulk that achieved this. Imagine if he was pissed. Especially when the same suit withstood a blast from Thanos without a scratch. To the point that Thanos was surprised.

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