Midnighter vs Puck

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The Nuul
Pre DCnU MNer.

Judd Puck.

Fight takes place in a construction site.

Who wins?

DarkSaint85
What can Midnighter use?

leonidas
even if he has just standard gear, mn is taking him.

nwg202
MN

-K-M-
Could he even hurt Puck?

Facee
Originally posted by -K-M-
Could he even hurt Puck?

Took you long enough to come to Pucks aid.

Isn't Puck waayyyy stronger than MN ?

-K-M-
I don't post in every Alpha Flight related thread as I used to. Blame laziness

Also yes. Puck has all the physical advantages

carver9
Giving this to Puck. Don't think a lot of people knows about Puck martial arts skill. Combine that sith his agility and strength. I'm giving him this.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Giving this to Puck. Don't think a lot of people knows about Puck martial arts skill. Combine that sith his agility and strength. I'm giving him this.

'Door'.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
'Door'.

Cheap win. I don't believe in bfr.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Cheap win. I don't believe in bfr.

Your belief is not necessary for it to be a win.

long pig
Didn't puck used to have the proportionate strength of an athletic 6'2 person shrunken down?
That never made sense.

-K-M-
It's true. That was pre his upgrade to his invulnerable body.

Classic puck was shrunken by magic and in reality was originally 6'2". It was a stupid story and mantlo when he took over from Byrne though his constant pain that Byrne wrote had to have a story behind it. In reality those afflicted with dwarfism are regularly in pain and bryne was trying to do a true representation and mantlo took that as puck had to have a magical demon inside him.

When the demon was removed he turned into an 80 year old man that was 6'2" as the demon gave him long live. He eventually gets experimented on by the master and Sasquatch to return him back to a dwarf (but now superhuman) to retcon the dumb story.

-K-M-
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your belief is not necessary for it to be a win.

Does he even do that enough to warrant it as a viable tactic? Serious question as I can't recall him doing that. He's more of a straight brawler and can't recall him going the BFR route. Doesn't mean he doesn't just not familiar with it

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by -K-M-
Does he even do that enough to warrant it as a viable tactic? Serious question as I can't recall him doing that. He's more of a straight brawler and can't recall him going the BFR route. Doesn't mean he doesn't just not familiar with it

He would do it if, as all of you assert, he has no way of harming Puck.

His abilities enable him to deduce what Puck can do. His computer will then crunch the numbers, and assuming carver is right (and he's my bestest buddy), then the computer will say no, nothing your fists/feet can do.

Hence, doors.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11/113883/3510940-6725228127-Midni.jpg

zopzop
Can someone please explain where current Puck stands power wise?

The only Puck I remember was the one from the late 80s early 90s. He was a dwarf, super agile, fast, an experienced fighter, super strong, and extremely invulnerable. He was like Spider Man (strength/speed/agility) + Juggernaut (invulnerability) + Cap America (decades of fighting/combat experience) rolled up into one little package.

This dude was shrugging off stray blasts from the Avengers/Red Guard/Alpha Flight fight vs the Collective.

Barring BFR, there is NOTHING Midnighter is doing to that version of Puck save getting his ass beaten brutally.

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He would do it if, as all of you assert, he has no way of harming Puck.

His abilities enable him to deduce what Puck can do. His computer will then crunch the numbers, and assuming carver is right (and he's my bestest buddy), then the computer will say no, nothing your fists/feet can do.

Hence, doors.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11/113883/3510940-6725228127-Midni.jpg

I was under the impression that the OP wanted to know which one of these characters would win without the bfr tactic. With it MN could call on this tactic to defeat guys well above his weight class. This however would never explain how well he'd actually do in a confrontation. Why even bother arguing MN vs Moonknight, Spider Man, Iron Man, Zealot, etc? You'd never really have a true answer to the question.

DarkSaint85
From the sounds of it, Puck is way above his weight class. Completely immune to all physical harm from Midnighter, skilled, superstrong etc.

Midnighter has an advantage of his cheating ways, and his tech. Puck has every other advantage. This is why we argue in character, as it gives people like Mids a fighting chance. Otherwise, you might as well just stack stats against each other.

Also, how do you arrive at that impression? OP makes no mention of it.

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
From the sounds of it, Puck is way above his weight class. Completely immune to all physical harm from Midnighter, skilled, superstrong etc.

Midnighter has an advantage of his cheating ways, and his tech. Puck has every other advantage. This is why we argue in character, as it gives people like Mids a fighting chance. Otherwise, you might as well just stack stats against each other.

Also, how do you arrive at that impression? OP makes no mention of it.

Intuitively, I guessed that Nuul may not have known that Puck was so much above MN, which is why he made the thread in the first place. But I could be wrong. He may have thought that this would have been a great fight without having MN resort to the Door tactic. BTW, I'm all for the in character approach.

Vanguard
Puck

Digi
It's worth noting that MNer ruptured Apollo's eardrums with a strike, and Apollo can crash into Earth at supersonic speeds, creating building-sized craters, and be unharmed.

Skill edge is moot, given MNer's battle computer. He fought Zealot to a flawless standstill for hours, and she's surely more skilled than Puck. There IS a limit past which MNer simply can't account for power gaps...the other guy is just too strong or fast. But Puck is within those limits, good as he is.

I don't exactly know who to give this to. But appealing to Puck's physical stats shouldn't be enough.

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