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HawkMan VS Black Panther.

HW has Nth metal Weapons and T'Challa has his vibranium weapons.

Fight takes place in a forest during daylight hours.

JFC man

WTF man

New52 Hawkman is to much not that it's his physicals alone cause I think T'Challa can give him a run basing it off his Slade fight. But Carters healing factor will make him the victor.

Hawkman should have this. Even-ish weaponry, even-ish funky metals, but HM has the strength, flight, and healing advantage.

I'd actually give Nth the funky metal advantage, but i'm trying not to be biased.

Hawkman's healing factor makes this a tough fight for Panther. I need to think about it.

Haha, Carter wins.

How about PreNu52 Hawk?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, Carter wins. his name is carver and he isn't even in this battle. confused

Originally posted by Flyattractor
How about PreNu52 Hawk?
I'd still say that version wins. Guy was occasionally regrowing limbs. I dont think his offense was as powerful as the new version though, so it'd be a tougher fight.

NU Hawkman wins for sure, he has every advantage, minus skill.

Only thing I learned from this thread, is Namor is criminally underrated. He'd whip both of them at the same time.

But yeah, Hawkman wins.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
NU Hawkman wins for sure, he has every advantage, minus skill.
I might give him skill too, if he's carrying around all those warrior past lives in the Dcnu.

Hawkman wins conforta ly regardless of pre or new 52.
Nth metal gives Carter a good enough HF that even when BA was giving him a hiding in the lead up to Black Reign he kept on coming for a few pages.
In trinity his arm was almost severed and was little more than a scar a few pages later.

Nothing T'Challa can do is going to finish him quick enough

Originally posted by beatboks
Hawkman wins conforta ly regardless of pre or new 52.
Nth metal gives Carter a good enough HF that even when BA was giving him a hiding in the lead up to Black Reign he kept on coming for a few pages.
In trinity his arm was almost severed and was little more than a scar a few pages later.

Nothing T'Challa can do is going to finish him quick enough

Wasn't BA massively weakened when he was beating up Black Adam.

I think Pre-Flashpoint could be more debated upon if KO is an option.

QUOTE=15735738]Originally posted by riv6672
I might give him skill too, if he's carrying around all those warrior past lives in the Dcnu.

Be more statements then actual feats. I wouldn't suggest Carter be more skilled then T'Challa due to that. Ironically if Panther is still KOTD he has all these Past Panthers with him.

So statement against statement.

Everyone, wake the hell up! BP >>>> Hawkman. Just apply the Batman rules to Black Panther and it will all come to you.

Originally posted by riv6672
So statement against statement.
Feats against Capt. America, Wolverine l, Iron Fist and Daredevil vs Statements of being a warrior in a past life.

Unless your speaking of KOTD vs Reincarnation

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Wasn't BA massively weakened when he was beating up Black Adam.


O_o ??? He wasn't beating up BA, BA was beating up him. BA crushed a wall on him, belted him around and threw him from above a high rise to the ground straight through an engine block of a car and Carter just got back on his feat each time

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That's 5 pages out of the 8 pages the fight lasted. It was after that last page that Carter finally decided to use the better part of Valor and fly off for help. What exactly do you think that BP is going to do to Carter that BA couldn't have done times 100???

He can also heal pretty damn quick from this type of damage

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223931-arm+injury+1.jpg

http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223933-arm+injury+2.jpg

yet a few pages later

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Also what is BP going to do when Carter strikes him with a mace that laced with 5% Nth metal. said mace can knock out the teeth of Despero ( a Class 100 plus who can take blows from class 100's)

http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223929-3035990-9527280831-65594.jpg

or crush cars speeding at him

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It allows him the strength to carry small planes

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That doesn't even cover the sensory enhancements, energy absorbing / Fouling qualities and much more that Nth grants HM.

Carter takes on HEAVY hitters all the time and lasts the distance. T'challa simply can't create damage on the level that Carter can soak.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Everyone, wake the hell up! BP >>>> Hawkman. Just apply the Batman rules to Black Panther and it will all come to you.

Batman isn't beating HM without Plot or prep.
Just like MP he doesn't do damage on the level HM has and can tank.

HM has taken machine gun fire to the upper body and walked it off.
He's survived point blank explosions.
He's taken an arrow straight thru the chest and kept of fighting.
He's had his carotid artery cut while not wearing his Nth metal and simply by placing it on his chest was up around and waling from near dead in a few panels

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4709313-healing.jpg



as apposed to feats against Black Adam, Superman, Ominar Synn? The weight class BP has faced is vastly lower

Originally posted by beatboks
O_o ??? He wasn't beating up BA, BA was beating up him. BA crushed a wall on him, belted him around and threw him from above a high rise to the ground straight through an engine block of a car and Carter just got back on his feat each time

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4058139-adam+v+hawk+1+.jpg

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4058140-adam+v+hawk+2.jpg

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4058145-adamhawk4.jpg

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That's 5 pages out of the 8 pages the fight lasted. It was after that last page that Carter finally decided to use the better part of Valor and fly off for help. What exactly do you think that BP is going to do to Carter that BA couldn't have done times 100???

He can also heal pretty damn quick from this type of damage

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223931-arm+injury+1.jpg

http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223933-arm+injury+2.jpg

yet a few pages later

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223935-arm+injury+3.jpg

Also what is BP going to do when Carter strikes him with a mace that laced with 5% Nth metal. said mace can knock out the teeth of Despero ( a Class 100 plus who can take blows from class 100's)

http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223929-3035990-9527280831-65594.jpg

or crush cars speeding at him

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4709322-hawkmanv42810.jpg~original.jpg

It allows him the strength to carry small planes

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223938-dccomics-hawkman2002001-04.jpg~original.jpg

That doesn't even cover the sensory enhancements, energy absorbing / Fouling qualities and much more that Nth grants HM.

Carter takes on HEAVY hitters all the time and lasts the distance. T'challa simply can't create damage on the level that Carter can soak.


KOTD Panther has shields that can be used to avoid mace swings. Probably faster on foot or more agile I mean as well as having telepirtation tech. His vibranium weaponry should have some affect regardless of healing factor its not like lodging a weapon in him won't have him hindered. We see Ollie had to remove the said object embedded in Carter and we know he can be killed by the whole Reincarnation element.

Hawkman doesn't really match heavy hitters though. He just happens to be there and get a good hit in on a heavy hitter whose wrecking said team. Example Despero or Gog. Hawkman shows how effective his weaponry are but he doesn't really physically match top tier characters at least consistently and the same could be said for Panther. Panther gets good hits on Heavy Hitters but can't match them one on one.

By my earlier post I meant Black Adam was weakened when he was beating up Hawkman. Typo mistake.

Originally posted by beatboks
Batman isn't beating HM without Plot or prep.
Just like MP he doesn't do damage on the level HM has and can tank.

HM has taken machine gun fire to the upper body and walked it off.
He's survived point blank explosions.
He's taken an arrow straight thru the chest and kept of fighting.
He's had his carotid artery cut while not wearing his Nth metal and simply by placing it on his chest was up around and waling from near dead in a few panels

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4709313-healing.jpg



as apposed to feats against Black Adam, Superman, Ominar Synn? The weight class BP has faced is vastly lower

I'm talking about fighting skill. Which Cap is above the three you mentioned by feats.

Hawkman gets beat up by Black Adam whose using a portion of IsIs power not his own and the Superman instance I'm assuming is when Hawkman used his claw of Horus something that's not standard gear to hit Superman.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Feats against Capt. America, Wolverine l, Iron Fist and Daredevil vs Statements of being a warrior in a past life.

Unless your speaking of KOTD vs Reincarnation
I am.

Neat subsequent posts though.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm talking about fighting skill. Which Cap is above the three you mentioned by feats.

Hawkman gets beat up by Black Adam whose using a portion of IsIs power not his own and the Superman instance I'm assuming is when Hawkman used his claw of Horus something that's not standard gear to hit Superman.
Except Adam wasn't weakened. Read the comic before spreading lies

^^^^yeah, read the comic THEN spread lies.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Adam wasn't weakened. Read the comic before spreading lies

Pretty sure he wasn't 100% and was using a portion of Isis power.

Black Adam: The Dark Age.. Right?

I think the most important thing is that for this fight feats etc don't actually matter, because it involves Hawkman.

What's important is Hawkman sucks.

Thus he loses.

Originally posted by beatboks
O_o ??? He wasn't beating up BA, BA was beating up him. BA crushed a wall on him, belted him around and threw him from above a high rise to the ground straight through an engine block of a car and Carter just got back on his feat each time

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4058139-adam+v+hawk+1+.jpg

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I don't like Hawkman.

D-lister piece of shit that only Mungi likes to wank. ( )

But damn, I'd be a total liar if I said he wasn't badass here. Awesome fight scene.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Pretty sure he wasn't 100% and was using a portion of Isis power.

Black Adam: The Dark Age.. Right?

That's kinda by the by; Hawkman is getting up from falling from a great height onto a car (with enough force to crumple the car), without any armour.

Black Adam even with a portion of his power hits waaaayyy harder than BP

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^^yeah, read the comic THEN spread lies.

Oh, he'll lie, now.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Black Adam even with a portion of his power hits waaaayyy harder than BP

Black Panther won't hit him, he'll KILL him if need be.

Originally posted by beatboks
Batman isn't beating HM without Plot or prep.
Just like MP he doesn't do damage on the level HM has and can tank.

HM has taken machine gun fire to the upper body and walked it off.
He's survived point blank explosions.
He's taken an arrow straight thru the chest and kept of fighting.
He's had his carotid artery cut while not wearing his Nth metal and simply by placing it on his chest was up around and waling from near dead in a few panels

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4709313-healing.jpg



as apposed to feats against Black Adam, Superman, Ominar Synn? The weight class BP has faced is vastly lower

That was NOT impressive IMO. Shows how depended he is on the nth.

Do I need to break out the Skrull showing, or have you guys regained your memories? That level of skill and combat prowess, Hawkman couldn't dream of.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Black Adam even with a portion of his power hits waaaayyy harder than BP

Not suggesting he isn't stronger then Black Panther I'm just stating that Hawkman isn't trading blows with a Adam under normal circumstances.

Panther's hurt more durable characters then Hawkman just the same.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's kinda by the by; Hawkman is getting up from falling from a great height onto a car (with enough force to crumple the car), without any armour.

Isn't Nth metal embedded inside Hawkman or is that just a New52 team?

Regardless yeah he's a pretty tough guy don't see that helping with vibrancy based tech though. Regardless my point is its not a mismatch not that Panther beats Hawkman. Though I think Pre-Flashpoint it's more up in the air then it is with New52.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Isn't Nth metal embedded inside Hawkman or is that just a New52 team?

Regardless yeah he's a pretty tough guy don't see that helping with vibrancy based tech though. Regardless my point is its not a mismatch not that Panther beats Hawkman. Though I think Pre-Flashpoint it's more up in the air then it is with New52.

Just nu52.

DCnU seems to be even tougher.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't like Hawkman.

D-lister piece of shit that only Mungi likes to wank. ( )


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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just nu52.

DCnU seems to be even tougher.

Completely agree on that he was pretty awesome on a lot of stuff he appeared in so far New52 wise. Could use a better costume design but eh companies choice.

Originally posted by -K-M-
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Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Pretty sure he wasn't 100% and was using a portion of Isis power.

Black Adam: The Dark Age.. Right?
Incorrect. He was using Isis' power to turn back into Black Adam as his word was changed by Captain Marvel.

Batman said that Adam found a new way to change into black adam.

http://i.imgur.com/lCaDp8j.jpg

Faust says that he had the power of Black Adam running through his body when he was taking power from Isis.

http://i.imgur.com/fjPL361.jpg

Here, Adam himself says that he is able to channel the power of the gods through the magic in her bones.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7-9R7MI9bKA/VwyesV_-8VI/AAAAAAAAGcY/qdBB3PayFhUYVONoVaWedRaCrBD74JuSwCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg

So no, he wasn't weakened or channeling Isis' power.

NOT weakened? Didnt think that was a thing.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That was NOT impressive IMO. Shows how depended he is on the nth.

Of course he's "dependant on his Nth metal" it's where his strength, durability, Healing factor, Flight, enhanced senses, energy absorption, striking power etc all come from.

Without his Nth metal he's a normal man who BP would slaughter.

Large amounts of Nth Metal in the hands of someone like Ominar Synn (who without would be mid herald) makes him trans tier. And HM beat him when the entire JSA failed (yes by using the larges piece of purest nth metal the claw of Horus to take over all Synn's Nth)

Remind me now where in the set up he is denied his standard gear (Nth) that he would normally have at the start of any fight?

Oh that's right it didn't

Well, BP without a magical herb, a miraculous metal, a fictional country, a billion dollar suit...isnt even Chadwick Boseman.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Isn't Nth metal embedded inside Hawkman or is that just a New52 team?

Regardless yeah he's a pretty tough guy don't see that helping with vibrancy based tech though. Regardless my point is its not a mismatch not that Panther beats Hawkman. Though I think Pre-Flashpoint it's more up in the air then it is with New52.

I've only read a few Nu52 HM issues so can't speak to that. Pre 52 the amount of Nth metal HM has in his entire gear is only a few grams and it definitely wasn't "embedded in him". It was laced through his belt. Frankly even the wings were only for show up until around infinite crisis IIRC.

BA wasn't "powered down" in any way in Black reign. Besides which it's not the only time HM has gone up against him alone

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_X11PasLIqo/UUMXBU-13II/AAAAAAAACu8/cIcXc5TkDDM/s1600/017-SUPER_POWERS_COMICS-BLACK_ADAM_VS_HAWKMAN+copy.jpg

Though granted that is DCAU line.

On top of which BA isn't the first 100+ tonner HM has tanked blows from. Capt nazi is another. Aquman ( that was another 5 page fight). Martian Manhunter. some of the times Superman has hit HM were without the claw.

Superman without the claw
https://comicsauthorityblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/jla-hawkman-and-superman.jpg
MMH
http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/Diabolu_BC/media/Bronze%20Age/AdventureComics451May-June1977.jpg.html
Aquaman
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I suppose all these guy's were weakened right ??

If we go pre COIE he even went up against Grundy Solo
http://hawkfan.50webs.com/hallclasheswithgrundy.jpg

He's done it post COIE too. Plus in Inf Inc gone against both Fury and Nuklon (atom Smasher) when under the influence of the stream of ruthlessness.

HM has almost 50 years of tanking blows from high metas up due to the HF and durability of Nth metal ,but BP is going to to somehow do greater damage.

I might add all the feats I've posted are of solo fights not part of a team battle

Originally posted by riv6672
Well, BP without a magical herb, a miraculous metal, a fictional country, a billion dollar suit...isnt even Chadwick Boseman.
Yet he still wrecked Luke Cage without using them

But not as Chadwick Boseman. Maybe Djimon Hounsou.

Originally posted by beatboks
I've only read a few Nu52 HM issues so can't speak to that. Pre 52 the amount of Nth metal HM has in his entire gear is only a few grams and it definitely wasn't "embedded in him". It was laced through his belt. Frankly even the wings were only for show up until around infinite crisis IIRC.

BA wasn't "powered down" in any way in Black reign. Besides which it's not the only time HM has gone up against him alone

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_X11PasLIqo/UUMXBU-13II/AAAAAAAACu8/cIcXc5TkDDM/s1600/017-SUPER_POWERS_COMICS-BLACK_ADAM_VS_HAWKMAN+copy.jpg

Though granted that is DCAU line.

On top of which BA isn't the first 100+ tonner HM has tanked blows from. Capt nazi is another. Aquman ( that was another 5 page fight). Martian Manhunter. some of the times Superman has hit HM were without the claw.

Superman without the claw
https://comicsauthorityblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/jla-hawkman-and-superman.jpg
MMH
http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/Diabolu_BC/media/Bronze%20Age/AdventureComics451May-June1977.jpg.html
Aquaman
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3657191-2067124-hawkman_v3_015_18.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3657192-hawkman15pg17.gif
I suppose all these guy's were weakened right ??

If we go pre COIE he even went up against Grundy Solo
http://hawkfan.50webs.com/hallclasheswithgrundy.jpg

He's done it post COIE too. Plus in Inf Inc gone against both Fury and Nuklon (atom Smasher) when under the influence of the stream of ruthlessness.

HM has almost 50 years of tanking blows from high metas up due to the HF and durability of Nth metal ,but BP is going to to somehow do greater damage.

I might add all the feats I've posted are of solo fights not part of a team battle


Originally posted by abhilegend
Incorrect. He was using Isis' power to turn back into Black Adam as his word was changed by Captain Marvel.

Batman said that Adam found a new way to change into black adam.

http://i.imgur.com/lCaDp8j.jpg

Faust says that he had the power of Black Adam running through his body when he was taking power from Isis.

http://i.imgur.com/fjPL361.jpg

Here, Adam himself says that he is able to channel the power of the gods through the magic in her bones.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7-9R7MI9bKA/VwyesV_-8VI/AAAAAAAAGcY/qdBB3PayFhUYVONoVaWedRaCrBD74JuSwCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg

So no, he wasn't weakened or channeling Isis' power.

My mistake I assumed that because he wasn't operating under normal circumstances that he wasnt 100%. My fault thanks for the clear up.

I'm really proud of you guys. 3 pages and still not one mention of armbars and Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm really proud of you guys. 3 pages and still not one mention of armbars and Silver Surfer.
You had to say it

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
You had to say it

I did, but I'm glad it got said in the way I said it as opposed to the alternatives of "well BP did this to Surfer so he tears off Hawkmans arm and beats him to death with it".

Originally posted by riv6672
NOT weakened? Didnt think that was a thing.

Who knew?

Originally posted by riv6672
Well, BP without a magical herb, a miraculous metal, a fictional country, a billion dollar suit...isnt even Chadwick Boseman.

Wrong, he's a beast without those things, Hawkman isn't. My point was not simply that Hawkman was kitted, it was that he's literally nothing without the it, hence the word dependant.

Originally posted by Surtur
I did, but I'm glad it got said in the way I said it as opposed to the alternatives of "well BP did this to Surfer so he tears off Hawkmans arm and beats him to death with it".

Hell still does that, though.

Nice dreams. In reality, Carter oneshots Panther.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice dreams. In reality, Carter oneshots Panther.

No, that's your reality. Big difference.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wrong, he's a beast without those things
Sure he is.

Sarcasm aside, any character without their gimmicks or powers, their -insert whatever they make their money on- is less than they are with them.
Your point is a point, it isnt a great one.

Anyhow, HM takes BP, in my (and a good number of other folks in this thread) opinion. All the double talk and deflection in the world's not changing that.

Originally posted by riv6672
Sure he is.

Sarcasm aside, any character without their gimmicks or powers, their -insert whatever they make their money on- is less than they are with them.
Your point is a point, it isnt a great one.

Anyhow, HM takes BP, in my (and a good number of other folks in this thread) opinion. All the double talk and deflection in the world's not changing that.

Well, feel free to consider my entire point I just explained in detail rather than just the portion of it you carved out. There's no double talk from me, BP would stomp him. Hawk is a retard compared to BP. On top of that, Hawk is one of the shittiest characters out there and that counts.

I'm glad we agree.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wrong, he's a beast without those things, Hawkman isn't. My point was not simply that Hawkman was kitted, it was that he's literally nothing without the it, hence the word dependant.

there are lots of characters that are "nothing" without their gear. the fact is in a forum fight everyone HAS their standard gear. its not like HM is going to stupidly tbrow it away. Nor is it likely that BP can remove it (espcially since he doesnt have knowledge to even know what to remove. i mean for a character hes never met he would assume the winga and possibly cut the harness. that would still leave the belt around Carter's waist that actually has the Nth).

despite being a JSA fanboy I cant stand Hawkman as a character. that doesnt mean i discount his feats, and his feats are that he fights heavy hitters for extended periods with great regularity.

given that his Nth laced mace can also strike with the force that it can, he can certainly do damage to BP while easily tanking the best T'challa can deliver for quite some time. he will heal from any injuries before they can trouble him

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm really proud of you guys. 3 pages and still not one mention of armbars and Silver Surfer.

Panther Punch ftw!

http://s32.postimg.org/qd8s1b6rp/4801516_download_38.jpg

Hawkman should win 7/10. Especally with the new symboite armor.

Agreed. Like i said his point was point, but not a great one.

Originally posted by riv6672
I'm glad we agree.

It's pretty simply, Hawkman is a dumb brawling one trick pony, BP is a resourceful fighting genius and strategist with an cutting edge and futuristic tech weaponry.

Yeah, and pretty simply BP loses.

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah, and pretty simply BP loses.

Cognitive dissonance is a real thing. T'Charlie >>>>>>> Conner Nobody

If you want to just troll, at least have the names of the characters correct.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If you want to just troll, at least have the names of the characters correct.

Shut up, troll. Superman ain't here.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's pretty simply, Hawkman is a dumb brawling one trick pony

With nth metal.

A.k.a. liquid plot device. Vibranium and Adamantium do have defined functions/limits, while the nth stuff does whatever writers want it to.

Originally posted by beatboks
Batman isn't beating HM without Plot or prep.
Just like MP he doesn't do damage on the level HM has and can tank.

HM has taken machine gun fire to the upper body and walked it off.
He's survived point blank explosions.
He's taken an arrow straight thru the chest and kept of fighting.
He's had his carotid artery cut while not wearing his Nth metal and simply by placing it on his chest was up around and waling from near dead in a few panels

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4709313-healing.jpg



as apposed to feats against Black Adam, Superman, Ominar Synn? The weight class BP has faced is vastly lower

I know Batman can't beat him, but there are enough fans who buy into the factor who would vote a win or a stalemate. Well, BP's way better than him.

Also, this is the second time someone has brought up the carotid artery thing. What's the point? He was sitting on a coach holding the nth up to him like a damn ice pack. You think BP is going to allow him the opportunity to do that in a fight? It would be a few short moments until PB figures out the metal is healing him and separate him from the harness. And I'd love to know how Hawkman is going to deal with things like invisibility, teleportation and this new kinetic backlash power.

Originally posted by cdtm
With nth metal.

A.k.a. liquid plot device. Vibranium and Adamantium do have defined functions/limits, while the nth stuff does whatever writers want it to.

It doesn't make him smarter, it doesn't make him a genius fighter and it's not like it's infused in his bones. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Shut up, troll. Superman ain't here.
Whatever you say marvel zombie.

Panther gets oneshotted. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I know Batman can't beat him, but there are enough fans who buy into the factor who would vote a win or a stalemate.

Also, this is the second time someone has brought up the carotid artery thing. What's the point? He was sitting on a coach holding the nth up to him like a damn ice pack. You think BP is going to allow him the opportunity to do that in a fight? It would be a few short moments until PB figures out the metal is healing him and separate him from the harness. And I'd love to know how Hawkman is going to deal with things like invisibility, teleportation and this new kinetic backlash power.
How's he gonna do that when one hit from the mace or claw of horus will send Panther to sleep?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's he gonna do that when one hit from the mace or claw of horus will send Panther to sleep?

The Claw of Horus? That shit isn't standard and you know it. And as far as the mace, a) BP has taken far harder blows and managed not to go to sleep, b) Hawkman would have to actually land the blow and c) I don't if you know this, but the vibranium suit BP wears sort of absorbs energy. Great point.

Hawkman failed to one-shot Batman with the mace.

As for the claw, we should really stop pretending it's his standard equipment

Wasn't it destroyed?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hawkman failed to one-shot Batman with the mace.

As for the claw, we should really stop pretending it's his standard equipment

Exactly. Abby brings up whatever is convenient for the moment.

Originally posted by cdtm
Wasn't it destroyed?

Pretty desperate for Abby to have to bring up the goddamn Claw of fuking Horus!

Pretty funny how Hawkman is going to put BP asleep with the mace when Wolverine failed to cut BP with his claws and Karnak couldn't touch him. And how about the Super Skrull he killed? And how about how Black Dwarf's mace didn't "put him to sleep?"

Originally posted by cdtm
Wasn't it destroyed?

No idea.

It's just not something he uses often...

And its single greatest feat is not so awesome when you realize Bats and Supes "lost" the fight on purpose...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Panther Punch ftw!

http://s32.postimg.org/qd8s1b6rp/4801516_download_38.jpg

Is that Carnage?

Originally posted by Surtur
Is that Carnage?



No. Not even close.

It's Mephisto. And this is one of those rare times I'm not joking.

And you thought owning Surfer was a high feat...

Obviously mystical herbs+armor>>>immortal demons.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's pretty simply, Hawkman is a dumb brawling one trick pony, BP is a resourceful fighting genius and strategist with an cutting edge and futuristic tech weaponry.

O_o you just described what Hawkman is also.
Carter is a strategist. he was leader of the JSA for 5 decades. Hes also an archiologist and in a former life built working wings (the discovery of nth metal made them work better) so in ancient times understood aerodynamics.

Karter aside from being a police officer of Thanagar is a scientist and a space explorer. in his classic history he had a device called an absorbocon that downloaded what information he needed into his brain (its how he knows the languages of birds and talks to them. lame as shit but true).

its true after infinite crisis merged them that the NEW Carter was more beligerent and gung ho but hes far from stupid. in the Rann Thanagar war (or it might have been holy war but i think the former) he helped Adam Strange build a device to amp Comet's TP. now it was a stupid plot point admittedly given that the feat comet with his post resurrection "mentally amped" power did with the xevice was below the feats of pre resurrection Captain Comets lower TP power levels, but its still a feat of scientific genius.

He also has that claw thing he used to hit Superman with what he said was like hitting him with the planet because it channeled the gravitational field of the earth. I don't know if that's the claw thing he has in the picture in the OP.

Originally posted by Surtur
He also has that claw thing he used to hit Superman with what he said was like hitting him with the planet because it channeled the gravitational field of the earth. I don't know if that's the claw thing he has in the picture in the OP.

The Claw of Horus has already been discussed and he doesn't "have" it.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The Claw of Horus has already been discussed and he doesn't "have" it.

I didn't mean he has it in the fight, just that it's a thing he has.

If he had it, would he win?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The Claw of Horus? That shit isn't standard and you know it. And as far as the mace, a) BP has taken far harder blows and managed not to go to sleep, b) Hawkman would have to actually land the blow and c) I don't if you know this, but the vibranium suit BP wears sort of absorbs energy. Great point.
Its standard for Hawkman. He has used it several times under his own comic as a standard equipment.

Yes, he can tag speedsters like Flash, he can hit puny panther.

Not to mention he can hurt beings like wonder woman without nth metal.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48010.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48011.jpg

Panther gets oneshotted. Deal with it.Originally posted by cdtm
Wasn't it destroyed?
No.

Originally posted by Surtur
I didn't mean he has it in the fight, just that it's a thing he has.

If he had it, would he win?
He wins without it, imo.
And no its not standard, no matter who wants to exaggerate it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its standard for Hawkman. He has used it several times under his own comic as a standard equipment.

Yes, he can tag speedsters like Flash, he can hit puny panther.

Not to mention he can hurt beings like wonder woman without nth metal.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48010.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48011.jpg

Panther gets oneshotted. Deal with it.
No.

That Wonder Woman thing looks like it's from some comic that's a tie in for some cartoon..

Regardless how impressive is it to make a character go "ughh" or make some other generic noise..

Pretty sure Panther did that to Thanos most recently as well as clawed him.

Haha, he tried to scratch his eyes out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its standard for Hawkman. He has used it several times under his own comic as a standard equipment.

Yes, he can tag speedsters like Flash, he can hit puny panther.

Not to mention he can hurt beings like wonder woman without nth metal.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48010.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/JLAClassified48011.jpg

Panther gets oneshotted. Deal with it.
No.


LOL, what's this supposed to show again, that he's Deathstroke level?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/32119/695838-ds24hp.jpg

Originally posted by Surtur
I didn't mean he has it in the fight, just that it's a thing he has.

If he had it, would he win?


If he could manage to hit him, yes.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
That Wonder Woman thing looks like it's from some comic that's a tie in for some cartoon..

Regardless how impressive is it to make a character go "ughh" or make some other generic noise..

Pretty sure Panther did that to Thanos most recently as well as clawed him.
JLA classified. Totally canon.Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL, what's this supposed to show again, that he's Deathstroke level?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/32119/695838-ds24hp.jpg
Yeah, Deathstroke will beat the shit out of Panther as well.

Deal with it.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL, what's this supposed to show again, that he's Deathstroke level?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/32119/695838-ds24hp.jpg

Deathstroke at least drew blood.

Even Batman achieved a similar effect to Hawkman's punch... but there was no mindcontrol to break and he's hurt his hand.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
If he could manage to hit him, yes.
Oh, he'd hit him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
JLA classified. Totally canon.
Yeah, Deathstroke will beat the shit out of Panther as well.

Deal with it.

no he wouldn't

Dammit!!!

Originally posted by Vanguard
no he wouldn't
Yes, he would.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he would.

He's not getting past Panthers suit.

Sure he is.

Originally posted by riv6672
Sure he is.

How?

Originally posted by Vanguard
He's not getting past Panthers suit.
Of course he would.

Originally posted by Vanguard
How?

By damaging it.
The suit's not an auto-win, no matter how some like to pretend it is.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2571235-2444271_blackpanther39p19.jpg

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/11898/826626-184086_87636_black_panther_super.jpg

This is just 2 scans, about 30 seconds on Google image.

It took an insane amped version of Iron Fist to damage the suit. It's not easy to get through. I'd argue Panther is a better fighter than Slade also

<insert Storm taking it apart with her bare hands>.

Originally posted by Vanguard
It took an insane amped version of Iron Fist to damage the suit. It's not easy to get through. I'd argue Panther is a better fighter than Slade also
Slade?

Any how, you asked how HM would get past the suit. I said by damaging it, and showed it could be damaged.
I'm not going to write fan fic on how HM, with his powers, weapons, and Nth is apt to do it. I just say he can, as you say he cant.

Wow....5 pages.

Originally posted by Vanguard
It took an insane amped version of Iron Fist to damage the suit. It's not easy to get through. I'd argue Panther is a better fighter than Slade also He wasn't amped though.

Originally posted by Vanguard
It took an insane amped version of Iron Fist to damage the suit. It's not easy to get through. I'd argue Panther is a better fighter than Slade also
He wasn't amped. Red skull also shredded it.
Solomon Prey almost killed him in it.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Wow....5 pages.
BP love runs deep.

Originally posted by Mindset
He wasn't amped though.

He was. Both fists were equipped with the iron fist technique....not just one. He was able to use only one fist up until that point.

Whether Panther was fisted once or fusted twice, the duit ripped. Lets not lose track of the point that was being made.
Suit does not equal auto win.