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no bfr. who wins?

I can't tell if you are a juggernaut fan or hater tbh.

You make so many threads about him.

why would you believe that i could be a hater? do you believe ronan beats his easily? i dont think so.

edit. Just saw no BFR.

Ronan wins more often than not.

Originally posted by deathslash
Ronan wins more often than not.
This.

is ronan that strong? i was checking on him and i almost see nothing but losses. of course, not to weak guys but still.

Yup.

Originally posted by Dareangel
is ronan that strong? i was checking on him and i almost see nothing but losses. of course, not to weak guys but still. lol, Ronan has ragdolled the avengers before. Ronan also has numerous ways to easily take out Cain.

Originally posted by deathslash
lol, Ronan has ragdolled the avengers before. Ronan also has numerous ways to easily take out Cain.

thanos easily owned him like nothing with 2 punches. he is definitely not trans. high herald at best.

Originally posted by deathslash
lol, Ronan has ragdolled the avengers before. Ronan also has numerous ways to easily take out Cain.
This.

Originally posted by Dareangel
thanos easily owned him like nothing with 2 punches. he is definitely not trans. high herald at best. congrats on using one fight in which he didn't use any of his exotic powers. Now, in this fight, he's going to wait until juggernaught is thirty feet from him, cancel the effect of gravity on Cain, make a pit of lava where Cain falls, use his tk to fully push Juggernaut into the lava, and then throw up a time bubble that immediately turns the lava into 100 year old solid rock. Juggernaut suffocates and Ronan walks away without any damage.

Originally posted by deathslash
congrats on using one fight in which he didn't use any of his exotic powers. Now, in this fight, he's going to wait until juggernaught is thirty feet from him, cancel the effect of gravity on Cain, make a pit of lava where Cain falls, use his tk to fully push Juggernaut into the lava, and then throw up a time bubble that immediately turns the lava into 100 year old solid rock. Juggernaut suffocates and Ronan walks away without any damage.

i used it as an example of how he can stand up to a trans leveler like thanos. using his powers or not, the fact he went down after 2 punches speaks for itself. he is not on that trans level

Originally posted by Dareangel
i used it as an example of how he can stand up to a trans leveler like thanos. using his powers or not, the fact he went down after 2 punches speaks for itself. he is not on that trans level
It's odd that you think a character needs to be trans level in order to own a team. Doctor Doom has smacked down entire teams before, but nobody here thinks he's trans. What's even more odd is that you use Ronan jobbing like it's proof of anything.

Originally posted by deathslash
congrats on using one fight in which he didn't use any of his exotic powers. Now, in this fight, he's going to wait until juggernaught is thirty feet from him, cancel the effect of gravity on Cain, make a pit of lava where Cain falls, use his tk to fully push Juggernaut into the lava, and then throw up a time bubble that immediately turns the lava into 100 year old solid rock. Juggernaut suffocates and Ronan walks away without any damage.

Does juggernaut need to breathe?

Also why would a bit of rock hold juggernaut? It's not adamantium.

Originally posted by deathslash

It's odd that you think a character needs to be trans level in order to own a team. Doctor Doom has smacked down entire teams before, but nobody here thinks he's trans. What's even more odd is that you use Ronan jobbing like it's proof of anything.

where did i say one has to be a trans leveler to own a team? reading comprehension. regardless of the statement he beat the avengers, i said he is not trans tier because he was owned easily by thanos.

so now thanos beating up ronan = jobbing? really? please show me his superior showings that put him at normal, as someone who thanos cant take out with 2 punches.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Does juggernaut need to breathe?

Also why would a bit of rock hold juggernaut? It's not adamantium. as I recall, Spider-Man has made a statement regarding how he needs to breathe, Deadpool has stated that he needs to breathe, and there are probably a few more instances. Either way, Ronan uses his tk to hold juggs under the lava and lets him suffocate.Originally posted by Dareangel
where did i say one has to be a trans leveler to own a team? reading comprehension. regardless of the statement he beat the avengers, i said he is not trans tier because he was owned easily by thanos.

so now thanos beating up ronan = jobbing? really? please show me his superior showings that put him at normal, as someone who thanos cant take out with 2 punches. When the character in question uses literally none of the powers that they often use and decide to fight like a brick? Yes, that is jobbing/PIS.

*sigh*
Easily kills black dwarf.
https://m.imgur.com/lhVuF69

Same black dwarf that did this.
https://m.imgur.com/a/olwmg

Casually makes a field of energy to hold Nova.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111145037/3692967-2982944-ronan2.jpg

Casually beats Black Bolt
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111145037/3692968-2982947-ronan4.jpg

Ragdolls the avengers (two of which are Valkyrie and the Thing)
https://m.imgur.com/B2ezRrf

Owns Carol Danvers
http://i.imgur.com/OBYhZ01.jpg

Nearly beat the Silver Surfer
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/2181265-silver_surfer_1988__013_14.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/2181266-silver_surfer_1988__013_15.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/2181267-silver_surfer_1988__013_16.jpg

nice feats. in this case i agree, he did job judging by those feats. he should and could give a much better fight.

Originally posted by deathslash
as I recall, Spider-Man has made a statement regarding how he needs to breathe, Deadpool has stated that he needs to breathe, and there are probably a few more instances. Either way, Ronan uses his tk to hold juggs under the lava and lets him suffocate. When the character in question uses literally none of the powers that they often use and decide to fight like a brick? Yes, that is jobbing/PIS.

*sigh*
Easily kills black dwarf.
https://m.imgur.com/lhVuF69

Same black dwarf that did this.
https://m.imgur.com/a/olwmg

Casually makes a field of energy to hold Nova.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111145037/3692967-2982944-ronan2.jpg

Casually beats Black Bolt
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111145037/3692968-2982947-ronan4.jpg

Ragdolls the avengers (two of which are Valkyrie and the Thing)
https://m.imgur.com/B2ezRrf

Owns Carol Danvers
http://i.imgur.com/OBYhZ01.jpg

Nearly beat the Silver Surfer
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/2181265-silver_surfer_1988__013_14.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/2181266-silver_surfer_1988__013_15.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/2181267-silver_surfer_1988__013_16.jpg Wait, why would you say Ronan was jobbing and not using his powers and then use the Black Dwarf example?

He did the same attack against Thanos as he did against Black Dwarf. I'm pretty sure Starlin copied it


That being said, Juggy is no Thanos. I'd be curious to see what a capable writer would do with this sort of fight. Ronan hits probably harder than Glads, but I don't think it'd turn out too well going h2h.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Wait, why would you say Ronan was jobbing and not using his powers and then use the Black Dwarf example?

He did the same attack against Thanos as he did against Black Dwarf. I'm pretty sure Starlin copied it


That being said, Juggy is no Thanos. I'd be curious to see what a capable writer would do with this sort of fight. Ronan hits probably harder than Glads, but I don't think it'd turn out too well going h2h. I posted the black dwarf fight so that DA could see an example of ronan's physical strength. I then backed that up with several scans of where he is when he uses his more exotic powers. Sorry if I wasn't super clear about that.

I realize what you did, but Ronan tried his best power attack and failed - a cheapshot hammer attack to the side of the head. That's not really an example of him not using his powers. Thanos just turned around and beat the shit out of him.

Not saying he would have used more powers, but in that case he was allowed all he could do.

Not saying that Juggernaut would win. But the Juggernaut doesn't need to breathe. He constantly walks on the bottom of the ocean. I am assuming the Deadpool issue recently was just a gag issue.

Ronan the Accuser could try to trap him in rock. Classic Juggernaut has just flexed his muscles and broke right out of a 50 foot steel cocoon like it was nothing. Unless Ronan has become stronger recently he is way weaker physically than the Juggernaut. He is less durable. So with no bfr I don't see how he could really win. Especially if you are using class Juggernaut who had a force field.

interesting. the reason why i left that stuck him in a rock thing, is because of other showings like recently iceman trapping juggernaut inside an ice block and juggernaut couldnt break free, also juggernaut getting overpowered by cement. once juggernaut got stuck inside a mountain and it was stated that it took him some long time to punch himself out of that mountain. i am not against juggy in this one, i think he can win, but trapping him inside something solid is IMO indeed an option.

Originally posted by Dareangel
interesting. the reason why i left that stuck him in a rock thing, is because of other showings like recently iceman trapping juggernaut inside an ice block and juggernaut couldnt break free, also juggernaut getting overpowered by cement. once juggernaut got stuck inside a mountain and it was stated that it took him some long time to punch himself out of that mountain. i am not against juggy in this one, i think he can win, but trapping him inside something solid is IMO indeed an option. this is true. Iceman used his powers to blast juggernaut with ice as cold as absolute zero. Guess who can do that too.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111145037/3692967-2982944-ronan2.jpg

Keep in mind that Ronan then fought the silver surfer for several pages and Nova still couldn't free herself.

Originally posted by deathslash
this is true. Iceman used his powers to blast juggernaut with ice as cold as absolute zero. Guess who can do that too.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111145037/3692967-2982944-ronan2.jpg

Keep in mind that Ronan then fought the silver surfer for several pages and Nova still couldn't free herself.

Nova isn't the Juggernaut though. Why would anything that Ronan had in his gag bag stop the Juggernaut? Ronan isn't a high herald either, if anything he'd be in the high meta to low herald range if we go according to what was said about him in the Annihilators. If you're going to use Cain's lowest showings an turn around and use Ronan's highest then i guess he wins this but both at their best should be Cain's fight to lose.

Ronan is and always has been a very versatile mid herald, he is in many ways Silver Surfer light with a hammer gimmick. Tbh, his versatility means he should beat all those without an insane power output like Thor or Superman, or those who do what he can better than him like the Surfer. Juggernaut does not need to breathe. Juggernaut still loses.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Ronan is and always has been a very versatile mid herald, he is in many ways Silver Surfer light with a hammer gimmick. Tbh, his versatility means he should beat all those without an insane power output like Thor or Superman, or those who do what he can better than him like the Surfer. Juggernaut does not need to breathe. Juggernaut still loses.

What? The moment that Ronan loses his hammer he loses like 3 tiers. I saw his fight against Ravenous. You're making him into far more than he actually is.

He was barely able to defeat Ravenous, and in my honest opinion, he got lucky. Again, what is he going to do to the Juggernaut at his best that beats anything that Thor hasn't tried?

The Juggernaut at his best is several times stronger than Ms. Marvel, and look what she did to him.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/305830549c940c6687b0fa2d506a221e/tumblr_oghf13MyPu1rvm5qqo7_1280.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
What? The moment that Ronan loses his hammer he loses like 3 tiers. I saw his fight against Ravenous. You're making him into far more than he actually is.

He was barely able to defeat Ravenous, and in my honest opinion, he got lucky. Again, what is he going to do to the Juggernaut at his best that beats anything that Thor hasn't tried? lol, didn't Ravenous sneak attak him at the start of the fight?

Freeze his movements completely.Originally posted by Stoic
The Juggernaut at his best is several times stronger than Ms. Marvel, and look what she did to him.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/305830549c940c6687b0fa2d506a221e/tumblr_oghf13MyPu1rvm5qqo7_1280.jpg like how you completely ignore how he also got sneak attacked by Mar-vell.

I also like how you bring up how Ronan is mid meta based off of the Annihilators while completely ignoring that he oneshotted someone that even the freaking silver surfer couldn't handle.

Originally posted by deathslash
lol, didn't Ravenous sneak attak him at the start of the fight?

Freeze his movements completely. like how you completely ignore how he also got sneak attacked by Mar-vell.

I also like how you bring up how Ronan is mid meta based off of the Annihilators while completely ignoring that he oneshotted someone that even the freaking silver surfer couldn't handle.

Mar-Vell was so weak that he could barely lift the chair strapped to his ass. Carol hit him and yeah it was lol worthy at how easily she put him to sleep. Cain would have laughed it off as he has been hit by Rogue who had the same amount of strength that Carol had at the time that she put Ronan to sleep. Please don't try to compare Ronan to Cain in terms of toughness, strength, stamina, or anything else that would matter if these two were to fight. Cain would walk up and down his spine.

What is Ronan going to do to the Juggernaut again? What pull his helmet off? Then what?

Originally posted by Stoic
Mar-Vell was so weak that he could barely lift the chair strapped to his ass. Carol hit him and yeah it was lol worthy at how easily she put him to sleep. Cain would have laughed it off as he has been hit by Rogue who had the same amount of strength that Carol had at the time that she put Ronan to sleep. Please don't try to compare Ronan to Cain in terms of toughness, strength, stamina, or anything else that would matter if these two were to fight. Cain would walk up and down his spine.

What is Ronan going to do to the Juggernaut again? What pull his helmet off? Then what? ..... you're acting as if we don't already have on panel evidence of what absolute zero does to Juggernaut. You're acting as if he can even get close to the guy that can fly, cancel gravity, manipulate matter, and throw out omni-directional attacks that can knock bricks off of their feet.

How about this, instead of playing the low-ball game, why don't you show me how Cain can even manage to cover the distance let alone get close enough to hit someone that can and will easily keep this fight to his advantage.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Juggernaut at his best is several times stronger than Ms. Marvel, and look what she did to him.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/305830549c940c6687b0fa2d506a221e/tumblr_oghf13MyPu1rvm5qqo7_1280.jpg

Don't forget what John Walker did to poor Ronan...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't forget what John Walker did to poor Ronan... let's not bring low showings into this, because Deadpool and a cement truck is about as low as it can get.

Originally posted by deathslash
let's not bring low showings into this, because Deadpool and a cement truck is about as low as it can get.

Pool has plenty of outlandish feats, lol.

But fair enough...

Originally posted by deathslash
..... you're acting as if we don't already have on panel evidence of what absolute zero does to Juggernaut. You're acting as if he can even get close to the guy that can fly, cancel gravity, manipulate matter, and throw out omni-directional attacks that can knock bricks off of their feet.

How about this, instead of playing the low-ball game, why don't you show me how Cain can even manage to cover the distance let alone get close enough to hit someone that can and will easily keep this fight to his advantage.

Let's talk about the No BFR clause that is in effect in this very thread.

Since Cain can not be removed from the battle field I would imagine that they are fighting in something similar to a steel cage that is inescapable until one of the two wins.

Cain is effectively immortal. Cain does not need to breathe. Cain does not need to eat, Cain does not tire.

Now let's talk about the matter manipulation and how ineffective it would be to a guy that begins off as unstoppable, with the added bonus of not being able to be removed from the battle field.

What are omni directional attacks going to do to Cain exactly? Are you forgetting what kind of damage sponge Cain is? Can you prove that Ronan has anything that can stop Cain?

The very idea that you brought up Ronan flying around unwilling to engage Cain tells me a lot. It means that you're admitting that he would be curbed up close and personal, unless you made the point for other reasons?

Now why couldn't a guy capable of ripping sky scrapers apart have trouble lobbing huge chunks of debris at Ronan? Did Ronan gain cosmic awareness or become a precog at some point that he can dodge everything that Cain can toss at him?

When did Ronan begin fighting the way that you're mentioning? From my recollection, Ronan is and has always been an up close and personal fighter. We saw it when he went up against Thor, we saw it when he went up against Thanos, we saw it when he went up against a nerfed Ravenous, we even saw it when he went up against Ms. Marvel way back in the day. So why would he change his character in this thread? Was CIS turned off?

We both know that if Cain got his hands on him, that he would beat the life out of him.

Is it possible that his Universal Weapon will do what Mjolnir could not?

Cain is protected by mystical forces, which has been shown throughout every appearance that he has had while not being reduced in power. So again, can you prove that Ronan would be able to do anything other than fly around shooting ineffective energy bolts at him?

This is exactly why I said that Cain would walk up and down his spine, and I'm saying it without low balling him. Ronan would need an entire team to defeat Cain at his best, and even then without the sake of plot induced shenanigans he/they might still lose.

Juggernaut would walk the dog on Ronan, don't get silly now.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Ronan is and always has been a very versatile mid herald, he is in many ways Silver Surfer light with a hammer gimmick. Tbh, his versatility means he should beat all those without an insane power output like Thor or Superman, or those who do what he can better than him like the Surfer. Juggernaut does not need to breathe. Juggernaut still loses.

Ronan is a low herald.

http://i.imgur.com/sLIDmdh.jpg

Ronan wins.

HOLD, FRIEND DARKSAINT! IT CLEARLY SAYS NO BFR!

I'm not saying he bfrs Juggy. He just cancels gravity and Juggy floats, uselessly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://i.imgur.com/sLIDmdh.jpg

Ronan wins.

HOLD, FRIEND DARKSAINT! IT CLEARLY SAYS NO BFR!

I'm not saying he bfrs Juggy. He just cancels gravity and Juggy floats, uselessly. finally, somebody that gets it. He doesn't even need to let Juggernaut get close and all he needs is for Juggernaut to be incapacitated long enough for a ten count.

Hell, he could make a field of lava around Juggernaut, use his TK to push him in as far down as possible and then use his matter/time manipulation to turn to the lava around Cain into diamond.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://i.imgur.com/sLIDmdh.jpg

Ronan wins.

HOLD, FRIEND DARKSAINT! IT CLEARLY SAYS NO BFR!

I'm not saying he bfrs Juggy. He just cancels gravity and Juggy floats, uselessly.

Cain can walk on air bro.

.....and?

You're thinking in 2D here.

Let's say he's floating in the air.

Are you....assuming he's still facing Ronan?

Oh look, he's now facing upwards.

Now what?

Lol

Surely people are not referring to this scan?
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-62a76278209c4ac5d13b39a9a4eb42e7-c

Note that when he has no foothold, he can do nothing but wait:

https://s5.postimg.cc/9o5snswsn/tumblr_mai4xsn_Rj01rvm5qqo7_1280.png

Cain has walked on air before. If bff is off D'S, doesn't that mean that they are in a container of some size? Wow so that means that Cain can rebound off of the surface right? No matter, he'd outlast him. Good attempt at trolling me though. Cain wins no matter how you attempt to twist it. Immortality.

Originally posted by Stoic
Cain has walked on air before. If bff is off D'S, doesn't that mean that they are in a container of some size? Wow so that means that Cain can rebound off of the surface right? No matter, he'd outlast him. Good attempt at trolling me though. Cain wins no matter how you attempt to twist it. Immortality.

Wait....no it doesn't mean that. BFR off doesn't mean anything about a container, lol.

Otherwise, if that was all that was present, one could argue Ronan teleports Cain away.

It just means that Ronan sending him away doesn't net him a win.

Immortality doesn't mean he wins either....otherwise, Lobo/Gladiator would be a short thread. Mr Immortal vs Thanos. Deadpool vs Batman.

If Ronan makes him float in midair, unable to do anything to even bother Ronan...that's an incapacitation.

Like Spiderman webbing Batman up. No one is hurt, no one is KOd...but Spiderman is standing there, cracking yo mamma jokes, and Batman is there crying.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Note that when he has no foothold, he can do nothing but wait:

https://s5.postimg.cc/9o5snswsn/tumblr_mai4xsn_Rj01rvm5qqo7_1280.png but saint, Lava isn't in this fight. Oh wait.
https://m.imgur.com/t8hORjd?r

and just for added fun, he does this to help keep Cain in there.
https://m.imgur.com/G89Kx9X?r

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait....no it doesn't mean that. BFR off doesn't mean anything about a container, lol.

Otherwise, if that was all that was present, one could argue Ronan teleports Cain away.

It just means that Ronan sending him away doesn't net him a win.

Immortality doesn't mean he wins either....otherwise, Lobo/Gladiator would be a short thread. Mr Immortal vs Thanos. Deadpool vs Batman.

If Ronan makes him float in midair, unable to do anything to even bother Ronan...that's an incapacitation.

Like Spiderman webbing Batman up. No one is hurt, no one is KOd...but Spiderman is standing there, cracking yo mamma jokes, and Batman is there crying.

Ronan isn't hardly as tactical as you're trying to make him out. Go on ahead and believe the lies that you're spewing, but Ronan loses this. He either loses fast or it takes a long time. With BFR off Cain would eventually reach him. It could take days but Ronan will need to sleep. Cain as I mentioned can walk on air, and has done so on panel. You seem to want to pull up a BS showing for Cain while using Ronan's best. Do you want me to do the same? You want to use the brazier that made Cain scream in pain as him at his best? How about him getting beaten up by the Beast, but then taking on WW Hulk. Wait the brazier hurt him but when he fought Spider Man he's seen covered in flames without taking note of them. So as I said in my first post, if you're going to use Cain at his worst while using Ronan's best, then sure Ronan wins. However I wasn't under the impression that this was how it worked. I told you before DS, don't play head games with me because I'll just ignore you.

Originally posted by Stoic
Ronan isn't hardly as tactical as you're trying to make him out. Go on ahead and believe the lies that you're spewing, but Ronan loses this. He either loses fast or it takes a long time. With BFR off Cain would eventually reach him. It could take days but Ronan will need to sleep. Cain as I mentioned can walk on air, and has done so on panel. You seem to want to pull up a BS showing for Cain while using Ronan's best. Do you want me to do the same? You want to use the brazier that made Cain scream in pain as him at his best? How about him getting beaten up by the Beast, but then taking on WW Hulk. Wait the brazier hurt him but when he fought Spider Man he's seen covered in flames without taking note of them. So as I said in my first post, if you're going to use Cain at his worst while using Ronan's best, then sure Ronan wins. However I wasn't under the impression that his is how it worked. I told you before DSW, don't play head games with me, because I'll just ignore you.

Every thing I said.....I provided scans.

Cancellation of gravity? Proved.
Juggy needing a foothold? Proved.

You misunderstood my scan...I wasn't proving braziers would hurt him, I was show casing how he needs a foothold to physically step on.
You haven't proved Juggy walking on air....so don't say I'm trolling or using mind games, when I'm actually being serious at attempting a solid debate with you.

Originally posted by Stoic
Ronan isn't hardly as tactical as you're trying to make him out. Go on ahead and believe the lies that you're spewing, but Ronan loses this. He either loses fast or it takes a long time. With BFR off Cain would eventually reach him. It could take days but Ronan will need to sleep. Cain as I mentioned can walk on air, and has done so on panel. You seem to want to pull up a BS showing for Cain while using Ronan's best. Do you want me to do the same? You want to use the brazier that made Cain scream in pain as him at his best? How about him getting beaten up by the Beast, but then taking on WW Hulk. Wait the brazier hurt him but when he fought Spider Man he's seen covered in flames without taking note of them. So as I said in my first post, if you're going to use Cain at his worst while using Ronan's best, then sure Ronan wins. However I wasn't under the impression that this was how it worked. I told you before DS, don't play head games with me because I'll just ignore you. can you provide a scan of him walking on air? The only time that I recall him doing it was when he had Kuurth's hammer. Yes, bfr is off but Ronan doesn't need to bfr him. He just needs to incapacitate him long enough to reach a ten count. He could literally just end this fight by putting him in an absolute zero force field.

Cain walked on air when he fought the Zen during the Onslaught saga if if I'm not mistaken. Again bfr is off therefore Ronan will eventually lose against Cain who we all know is immortal and unstoppable. Sending him into space will not stop him from returning. Cain walked in space back to Earth back in the day. Darksaint surely has the scans but providing them will throw all kinds of monkey wrenches into the stance that he has chosen. Again if we are using Ronans best while using Cains worst then sure Cain loses. But, let's not pretend that Ronan thinks like Bruce Banner, or has tactics like Captain America.

Just because he can toss Cain up into the air does not mean that he wins this. It only means that he has prolonged the fight. Cain can and will return due to the clause in the OP. No BFR.

So Ronan gets tired eventually. What happens when he has to sleep for a few hours? Cain does not tire, or hunger. He would eventually reach Ronan .

Originally posted by deathslash
can you provide a scan of him walking on air? The only time that I recall him doing it was when he had Kuurth's hammer. Yes, bfr is off but Ronan doesn't need to bfr him. He just needs to incapacitate him long enough to reach a ten count. He could literally just end this fight by putting him in an absolute zero force field.

How is he going to incapacitate Cain? Transmute his clothes? He certainly won't be knocking him out. Cain can take far more damage than Ronan has ever dished.

Originally posted by Stoic
How is he going to incapacitate Cain? Transmute his clothes? He certainly won't be knocking him out. Cain can take far more damage than Ronan has ever dished. *sigh

We're three pages in and you still haven't understood what's being said. I'll make this simple. I AM NOT SAYING THAT RONAN WILL TRANSMUTE ANYTHING. I AM SAYING THAT HE WILL PUT CAIN IN A FIELD OF ABSOLUTE ZERO. You know, like he did to Nova.

'But Deathslash', you say to me. 'Nova isn't as strong as Juggernaut.'

I'll then reply with 'Ah, but my dear friend, she doesn't have to be. We already know what has happened to Juggernaut the one and only time that he's been hit with absolute zero. He was incapacitated long enough for the cops to show up and take him away. Cain is literally batting at 0% as far as resistance to the very thing that Ronan has already shown he can do."

Moreover, you seem to be so hell bent on "damage that can be dished out" that you're missing the forest for the trees. Juggernaut is slow, has no range, is slower than 98% of the characters that Ronan has fought, and has no answer to being incapacitated. Hell, Juggernaut has already shown a susceptibility to having his clothes transmuted. That's how Brother Voodoo beat him when the avengers fought him.

Originally posted by Stoic
How is he going to incapacitate Cain? Transmute his clothes? He certainly won't be knocking him out. Cain can take far more damage than Ronan has ever dished.

Cain can transmute his armor back to its former state if that happens, anyway.

Not sure why Ronan became a flavour of the month on KMC?

Originally posted by Stoic
Cain walked on air when he fought the Zen during the Onslaught saga if if I'm not mistaken. Again bfr is off therefore Ronan will eventually lose against Cain who we all know is immortal and unstoppable. Sending him into space will not stop him from returning. Cain walked in space back to Earth back in the day. Darksaint surely has the scans but providing them will throw all kinds of monkey wrenches into the stance that he has chosen. Again if we are using Ronans best while using Cains worst then sure Cain loses. But, let's not pretend that Ronan thinks like Bruce Banner, or has tactics like Captain America.

Just because he can toss Cain up into the air does not mean that he wins this. It only means that he has prolonged the fight. Cain can and will return due to the clause in the OP. No BFR.

So Ronan gets tired eventually. What happens when he has to sleep for a few hours? Cain does not tire, or hunger. He would eventually reach Ronan .

I honestly don't have those scans, and nor did I find them in his respect threads (on Reddit, KMC or aminoapps). So I hand on heart, can say I don't know what instances you're talking about.

I've actually shown Ronan....doing that (cancelling gravity). So your point about his tactical thinking is moot, because he DOES do exactly that. No pretending at all.

And your point about the time is a strange one. Say Spiderman webs Deadpool up....and Deadpool is unable to affect Spiderman. Let's amp his webbing, so it lasts a while.

In YOUR reasoning, Deadpool wins, because eventually, after many years, Spidey will die and the webbing will dissolve, and DP will eventually break free....

That makes no sense.

Originally posted by deathslash
*sigh

We're three pages in and you still haven't understood what's being said. I'll make this simple. I AM NOT SAYING THAT RONAN WILL TRANSMUTE ANYTHING. I AM SAYING THAT HE WILL PUT CAIN IN A FIELD OF ABSOLUTE ZERO. You know, like he did to Nova.

'But Deathslash', you say to me. 'Nova isn't as strong as Juggernaut.'

I'll then reply with 'Ah, but my dear friend, she doesn't have to be. We already know what has happened to Juggernaut the one and only time that he's been hit with absolute zero. He was incapacitated long enough for the cops to show up and take him away. Cain is literally batting at 0% as far as resistance to the very thing that Ronan has already shown he can do."

Moreover, you seem to be so hell bent on "damage that can be dished out" that you're missing the forest for the trees. Juggernaut is slow, has no range, is slower than 98% of the characters that Ronan has fought, and has no answer to being incapacitated. Hell, Juggernaut has already shown a susceptibility to having his clothes transmuted. That's how Brother Voodoo beat him when the avengers fought him.

I'm saying that Cain can walk out of that field, or did you have trouble comprehending that he did this to Jean Grey when she help him in mid air. He has also walked to Earth while in deep space. So again how is he going to do this? Cain as I mentioned is unstoppable at his best, while Nova has never been. Are we comprehending each other yet?

No? Well Ronan loses.

Who are the Zen?

Edit: and are you referring to this?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/5971084-juggernaut+powers+through+tk.jpg

It's not remotely the same...

Maybe not, but it's a good feat.

Bring your A game, Saint, and mention how Beast invented that anti-gravitational "bottle" for Cain.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Maybe not, but it's a good feat.

Bring your A game, Saint, and mention how Beast invented that anti-gravitational "bottle" for Cain.

Oh you mean this?
https://s22.postimg.cc/upnlw92e9/RCO007_1468901087.jpg

https://s22.postimg.cc/sxun1d66p/RCO008_1468901087.jpg

Nah. Beast is an idiot. How would he know what would or wouldn't work on the Juggynaut?

with hte way current juggernaut is portrayed, he might as well just break his teeth out with the hammer. when ever marvel is stating someone is more powerful than before, bye bue feats. its the same thing with colossus who is suppose to be stronger now, than he was as a tenn, yet his strength feats are from his teen days. beast was stated to become stronger as a cat, and that was the end of any strength or fighting feats coming from him and a new era of beast hospitalized by beak hitting him with a bat. sabretooth after all his supposed upgrades, doesnt have any near strength feats as the ones he has after his second upgrade in birds of prey for example. so people, start to get worry when they will state you favourite character became "stronger".

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh you mean this?
https://s22.postimg.cc/upnlw92e9/RCO007_1468901087.jpg

https://s22.postimg.cc/sxun1d66p/RCO008_1468901087.jpg

Nah. Beast is an idiot. How would he know what would or wouldn't work on the Juggynaut?
Yeah but you have to admit that it working in theory is a far cry from it actually working in the field. I mean Stark is smarter than Beast and he thought the Hulkbuster would work against Bruce...

Hulkbuster hasn't exactly failed.

As for WWHbuster, the SPIN tech got sabotaged...

But I see your point here.

I think the writers that tried to push Juggernaut as totally unhurtable over just really, really hard to hurt made a mistake. Such an absolute power makes a character very difficult to write, and invites lots of deus ex machina solutions and resolutions.
But Juggs being totally unhurtable was never universally accepted IMO. So this Thor showing isn't that big a deal. I'm more put off by what this implies about the difference in power levels between a hammerless Thor and one with a hammer--even a cheap knock-off. This story implies a vast difference in raw striking power that has rarely seemed to be the case before.

It's not that difficult to write. He can be beaten. Ultimate durability isn't all that (see Brit)

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulkbuster hasn't exactly failed.

As for WWHbuster, the SPIN tech got sabotaged...

But I see your point here.

i am sorry, but this is just stupid.

No. You are

Mentor invented a gun that was supposed to kill Thanos. Thanos took it from Mentor and tried to blow his own brains out, didn't work.

Hank's bottle wasn't tested properly, so we cannot bet it'd do the trick.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. You are

Mentor invented a gun that was supposed to kill Thanos. Thanos took it from Mentor and tried to blow his own brains out, didn't work.

Hank's bottle wasn't tested properly, so we cannot bet it'd do the trick.

..... U Stupid

Kill yourself, Dare.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Kill yourself, Dare.

people who say "kill yourself" are soy boy weeboos.

I suppose people who clutter message boards up with nonsense are better, lol.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I suppose people who clutter message boards up with nonsense are better, lol.

but arent you doing it? again hypocricy?

Only when arguing with you.

Make another headbutt fest thread, it's been a while

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Only when arguing with you.

Make another headbutt fest thread, it's been a while

people didnt like the concept