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no sf bfr.

Prime Wins, Prime always wins.

Prime will win

Considering Superman managed to tag Zoom multiple times and SBP was stated to be faster than any single flash, then I imagine prime would win

Without use of BFR/SF, they can't really beat him

amped and unamped prime are being conflated in that list....

It should

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It should Why do you think that? We've already established that he has some lows, but... At present he has his biggest high. The present iteration is the one we are arguing, isn't it?

Zoom's highs have him appearing as a blur to and speedblitzing the guys who imprisoned SBP.....

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Why do you think that? We've already established that he has some lows, but... At present he has his biggest high. The present iteration is the one we are arguing, isn't it?

We cant just willy nilly reference feats without key information or proper context. That causes more trouble than not and leads to a perpetuation of misrepresentation.

Yeah this was intended to be superBOY, no guardian amp. Not sure why prime is suddenly being granted access to all feats in all contexts but this is Standard prime.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zoom's highs have him appearing as a blur to and speedblitzing the guys who imprisoned SBP.....

Originally posted by leonidas
Yeah this was intended to be superBOY, no guardian amp. Not sure why prime is suddenly being granted access to all feats in all contexts but this is Standard prime. is present Superboy Prime not Superboy Prime then? No amp he's just a boy on the cusp of manhood surely. If the present Superboy Prime feat against DK isn't included it seems a bit like a Carver thread

current prime has goku'd himself up

Originally posted by MrMind
current prime has goku'd himself up He has indeed.

there's no "original" prime

if we talking pre death metal, speedsters would win

Originally posted by MrMind
there's no "original" prime

if we talking pre death metal, speedsters would win I think that's semantics, I have a question. How do they kill him? He, till recent events, had no Universe to shift into, go back in time and kill his parents. If this is best "original" prime as he first appeared, after breaking the dimensional wall and he is fully charged, how do they stop him? Help me see you guys argument here. The best the Flashes could do, is trap him with them. They couldn't even bfr him from them.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I agree 100% even the old hoeing part? Lmao. I meant to type teen Titans showing and it corrected to old hoeing.

Originally posted by Diesldude
even the old hoeing part? Lmao. I meant to type teen Titans showing and it corrected to old hoeing. haha, let's call it 95% then as I didn't notice, because I knew what you meant. autocorrect is such a *****.

Originally posted by leonidas
Yeah this was intended to be superBOY, no guardian amp. Not sure why prime is suddenly being granted access to all feats in all contexts but this is Standard prime. well he had already lost the amp when he survived the universal destroying blast and killed monarch. But I brought those feats as a reference and the current showing without the amp best all of them.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I think that's semantics, I have a question. How do they kill him? He, till recent events, had no Universe to shift into, go back in time and kill his parents. If this is best "original" prime as he first appeared, after breaking the dimensional wall and he is fully charged, how do they stop him? Help me see you guys argument here. The best the Flashes could do, is trap him with them. They couldn't even bfr him from them.

Depends which zoom.

Thawne for example can deage him into dust. Or mess with his timeline.

Godspeed can phase people into things and shake them into mush (don't laugh).

Remember how WWH treated Wolverine? Punching him multiple times and giving him concussion? Imagine SBPs brain shaking around in that indestructible skull.....

SBP.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends which zoom.

Thawne for example can deage him into dust. Or mess with his timeline.

Godspeed can phase people into things and shake them into mush (don't laugh).

Remember how WWH treated Wolverine? Punching him multiple times and giving him concussion? Imagine SBPs brain shaking around in that indestructible skull..... I'm honestly not sure any of that would work on Prime.Originally posted by lawest9
SBP.

Well we know time passes for SBP - why wouldn't time based attacks work on him?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well we know time passes for SBP - why wouldn't time based attacks work on him? time certainly works on him but do we know if he can become dust under a yellow sun. or just stronger?

Originally posted by MrMind
none of the team 1 steal speed though It was just an example of something that wouldn't work in my opinion.

obviously prime is a far cry from ww, but zoom was...beating her to death without even trying. i hear a lot about speed, and people not being able to even hit someone in other threads, so why doesn't that apply here? i mean how does prime even HIT either of these guys? prime was literally AFRAID of flash.... /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
obviously prime is a far cry from ww, but zoom was...beating her to death without even trying. i hear a lot about speed, and people not being able to even hit someone in other threads, so why doesn't that apply here? i mean how does prime even HIT either of these guys? prime was literally AFRAID of flash.... /shrug Because Prime is able to survive a Universes destruction and retcon reality with his fists maybe Leo, Prime is Pre Crisis, and like any precrisis Kryptonian one moment he can sneeze away whatever he wants the next he could be beaten by a Gorilla or something silly, but at his best he is a pre crisis Kryptonian with additional reality altering powers, no magic or Kryptonite weakness and the ability to go toe to toe with Multiversal beings like Monarch and DK.

Originally posted by MrMind
none of the team 1 steal speed though yup I meant in general.