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He's not. Neither of them are.

Here's what will happen.

The Russian economy will get wrecked to the point that they stop paying soldier's wages. Meanwhile Putin has a multi-billion dollar gigantic mansion in Sochi and super yachts.

You can see where this is going...

Chomsky is a ****. Libertarians generally are.

To be fair he also called Trump histories worst war criminal.


Meaning he's not really an apologist or Trumper.

Originally posted by cdtm
To be fair he also called Trump histories worst war criminal.


Meaning he's not really an apologist or Trumper. Regardless, he's still a ****. Like all Libertarians.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
He's not. Neither of them are.

Here's what will happen.

The Russian economy will get wrecked to the point that they stop paying soldier's wages. Meanwhile Putin has a multi-billion dollar gigantic mansion in Sochi and super yachts.

You can see where this is going...
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Chomsky is in his 90's now, he's probably mentally not there anymore.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Chomsky is a ****. Libertarians generally are.
What? He's not a libertarian in the American sense of the word, he's a libertarian socialist.

Yeah Chomsky is on the left.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What? He's not a libertarian in the American sense of the word, he's a libertarian socialist. i question that, a socialist libertarian, isn't the same as a socialist.

His economic idea is anarcho-syndicalism, which is far close to libertarian socialist. Yet, he's still an American who lives as a capitalist like every American.

Most socialists nowadays arent out to completely eradicate Capitalism. They usually argue for a Scandinavian model. Free Healthcare, Education, decent benefits where needed. Invest in the environment as well.

But they still allow people to run business, invest and make money. Although they might believe in more progressives taxes for higher earners.

Originally posted by cdtm
To be fair he also called Trump histories worst war criminal.


Meaning he's not really an apologist or Trumper.


Dont think he called him a war criminal. That wouldnt sense given Trump didnt actually start a war. (Maybe that one assassination of Qasem Soleimani was a war crime, but that hardly qualifies for the worst war criminal).

I think he said something to the effect of Trump is the most dangerous person in the world. Related to him denying climate change and such (with related actions).

But yeah hes definitely not a Trumper !

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Most socialists nowadays arent out to completely eradicate Capitalism. They usually argue for a Scandinavian model. Free Healthcare, Education, decent benefits where needed. Invest in the environment as well.

But they still allow people to run business, invest and make money. Although they might believe in more progressives taxes for higher earners. Which I condone for the most part; I'm not sure about taxing the rich. I think if I was a high earner paying 45% of my earnings to socialist institutions, some of which aren't successful, I'd be grumpy too.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Which I condone for the most part; I'm not sure about taxing the rich. I think if I was a high earner paying 45% of my earnings to socialist institutions, some of which aren't successful, I'd be grumpy too.


45% is the highest tax rate in the UK right now. But multi millionaires tend to evade that.

I personally wouldnt feel sorry for the super rich paying their taxes.

Well when I get to that status, I'll dodge too.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Most socialists nowadays arent out to completely eradicate Capitalism. They usually argue for a Scandinavian model. Free Healthcare, Education, decent benefits where needed. Invest in the environment as well.

But they still allow people to run business, invest and make money. Although they might believe in more progressives taxes for higher earners. You see, I'm an old school British Socialist/Trades Unionist. I've been on and off a member of the Labour party since 1985.

I think healthcare, education and environmental research are good things to invest in. The real question is, should they be privatised or nationalised? I think nationalised. A democratic system that understands these things as fundamental rights is better than just letting people run riot, so to speak.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I think healthcare, education and environmental research are good things to invest in. The real question is, should they be privatised or nationalised? I think nationalised. A democratic system that understands these things as fundamental rights is better than just letting people run riot, so to speak. Agreed, it's common sense Blake

Not sure about the UK, but here when you bring up common sense things like caring for the environment because we all need clean air, water and food, a proper universal Healthcare system, because a healthy county is better than a sick country and proper education, because a higher educated country is better than a low, the Right stars dropping the dirty S word "socialism" and it all goes to shit. Or the new one "Socialism Plus".



"Trump Claims Biden Will Try To Impose 'Socialism Plus' If Elected"
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Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure about the UK, but here when you bring up common sense things like caring for the environment because we all need clean air, water and food, a proper universal Healthcare system, because a healthy county is better than a sick country and proper education, because a higher educated country is better than a low, the Right stars dropping the dirty S word "socialism" and it all goes to shit. Or the new one "Socialism Plus".



"Trump Claims Biden Will Try To Impose 'Socialism Plus' If Elected"
MOyMvGIhFkI The Tories are trying to make it so Rob. Fortunately the young aren't going for it.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I think healthcare, education and environmental research are good things to invest in. The real question is, should they be privatised or nationalised? I think nationalised. A democratic system that understands these things as fundamental rights is better than just letting people run riot, so to speak.


You realize corruption is corruption right?

If you hate Elon Musk, he'll control your privatized health care. If you hate Trump, he'll control your nationalized health care.


The people you do like won't always be in power.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The Tories are trying to make it so Rob. Fortunately the young aren't going for it.

They're like two sides of the same shit coin.

Originally posted by Robtard
They're like two sides of the same shit coin. They are indeed.

Tories are better IMO. Because we have free healthcare and investment in renewable energy even under them.

Plus they gave a hell of a lot more help to working people during Covid (mostly 2020, and a bit in 2021 but not currently).

In the UK, we don't call it "socialism" we call it "National Insurance."

Giving people the right to live so they can later contribute themselves.

Originally posted by Blakemore
In the UK, we don't call it "socialism" we call it "National Insurance."

Giving people the right to live so they can later contribute themselves.


Right, handouts.

We do that so people could not get jobs because they don't feel like it.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
i question that, a socialist libertarian, isn't the same as a socialist.
I question that you could elaborate on that statement in a manner which would hold up to scrutiny.

Originally posted by cdtm
Right, handouts.

We do that so people could not get jobs because they don't feel like it. The right to live.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Most socialists nowadays aren't out to completely eradicate Capitalism. They usually argue for a Scandinavian model. Free Healthcare, Education, decent benefits where needed. Invest in the environment as well.

But they still allow people to run business, invest and make money. Although they might believe in more progressives taxes for higher earners.
What you're saying is that the label of socialist is being coopted by people that aren't actually socialists. The Scandinavians are capitalists. If more capitalism is the objective of socialism now, then the word doesn't mean much of anything anyways.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I question that you could elaborate on that statement in a manner which would hold up to scrutiny. Libertarian Socialism isn't inclusive or collective. It's about people who can choose to help others, it's more akin to classical right-wing (fantasy) trickle-down economics. It provides no secure safety nets and relies on people being altruistic when they have the means to support others. It's hogwash.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What you're saying is that the label of socialist is being coopted by people that aren't actually socialists. The Scandinavians are capitalists. If more capitalism is the objective of socialism now, then the word doesn't mean much of anything anyways.


Well they call themselves Social Democrats. But the Right wont let that label stick. They insist on calling them Socialists and Communists in order to scaremonger people into not voting them.

Originally posted by cdtm
Right, handouts.

We do that so people could not get jobs because they don't feel like it.


Nah we do that so people arent homeless and starving to death as if we are a third world nation.

We also do that to give their children equal opportunities. Do you not believe in equal opportunities ?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah we do that so people arent homeless and starving to death as if we are a third world nation.

We also do that to give their children equal opportunities. Do you not believe in equal opportunities ?

I do!

I'm fine with the intent, it's the abusers I take issue with. A money for a huckster is less money for the intended purpose.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah we do that so people arent homeless and starving to death as if we are a third world nation.

We also do that to give their children equal opportunities. Do you not believe in equal opportunities ? Bingo, we do it because it's simply the right thing to do.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Libertarian Socialism isn't inclusive or collective. It's about people who can choose to help others, it's more akin to classical right-wing (fantasy) trickle-down economics. It provides no secure safety nets and relies on people being altruistic when they have the means to support others. It's hogwash.
That's still awfully vague. Not inclusive of whom, or what? Who chooses to provide for whom? Your comparison to trickle down economics is particularly lost on me; what is the similarity between an ideology of subsidizing the capitalist class, and an ideology that rejects the capitalist class' right to exist?

With regard to safety nets, I'm aware that things can get messy when discussing hypothetical forms of society, but for Chomsky's part, I haven't heard of him prescribing anything for the U.S. welfare state other than its expansion? It's not like I'm an expert on the guy's politics though, maybe you can enlighten me.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's still awfully vague. Not inclusive of whom, or what? Who chooses to provide for whom? Your comparison to trickle down economics is particularly lost on me; what is the similarity between an ideology of subsidizing the capitalist class, and an ideology that rejects the capitalist class' right to exist?

With regard to safety nets, I'm aware that things can get messy when discussing hypothetical forms of society, but for Chomsky's part, I haven't heard of him prescribing anything for the U.S. welfare state other than its expansion? It's not like I'm an expert on the guy's politics though, maybe you can enlighten me. im going to disagree about the vagueness of my response. I think I defined it adequately. You may not like my answer, perhaps you can explain why you think my comparisons are vague.