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Fts from the show is accepted here. The weakest person on the JLA that could pull a majority against him.

Before we get bogged down, what are his fastest feats, what are his esoteric durability feats, and who are you allowing on the JLA? Are you allowing BFR or are you limiting the powers ?

Punched someone and while he was flying back from the punch, Gojo flew to another city, grabbed someone so that he could see the fight, and flew back as soon as the guy landed from the Shockwave of his punch. I would say he's faster than Doomsday. Then he has infinity around him. The closer you get, the slower you become. Thats including attacks as well. Basically can't be touched. Class 100 strength, blasts, then he can just warp you to another dimension, called infinity...

This...

/nmvkhLz8t7I?si=Gnfj6Z96_QqlmAUv

is that the jojo's bizarre adventure i keep hearing about? who's the blonde chick

Originally posted by carver9
Punched someone and while he was flying back from the punch, Gojo flew to another city, grabbed someone so that he could see the fight, and flew back as soon as the guy landed from the Shockwave of his punch. I would say he's faster than Doomsday. Then he has infinity around him. The closer you get, the slower you become. Thats including attacks as well. Basically can't be touched. Class 100 strength, blasts, then he can just warp you to another dimension, called infinity...

This...

/nmvkhLz8t7I?si=Gnfj6Z96_QqlmAUv

Ok. A plan is forming.

What about my other questions?

Originally posted by MrMind
is that the jojo's bizarre adventure i keep hearing about? who's the blonde chick
No, it's Jujutsu Kaisen

Originally posted by carver9
The weakest person on the JLA that could pull a majority against him.
Obviously physical power, speed, explosions, etc. are kind of pointless...unless his opponent is willing to destroy the planet and outlast him in the vacuum of space. Time travel could also work if you allow it, but it's not like any heroes in JLA use use time travel like that anyway.

If he still retains his inability to filter poisons, that could work.

https://i.imgur.com/C8CVE5vm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 76

Magic can also be used to dispel Infinity as we've seen. But Gojo is still pretty fast and dangerous without it.

My best bet would be someone with telepathy. Maybe Miss Martian?

Originally posted by Astner
Obviously physical power, speed, explosions, etc. are kind of pointless...unless his opponent is willing to destroy the planet and outlast him in the vacuum of space. Time travel could also work if you allow it, but it's not like any heroes in JLA use use time travel like that anyway.

If he still retains his inability to filter poisons, that could work.

https://i.imgur.com/C8CVE5vm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 76

Magic can also be used to dispel Infinity as we've seen. But Gojo is still pretty fast and dangerous without it.

My best bet would be someone with telepathy. Maybe Miss Martian?

Flash does, if he can (as in, the propensity is there):

https://i.postimg.cc/dt3RD5mJ/08.jpg

By the by, though.

Does Gojo not have defences against telepathy or magic or transmutation or BFR etc?

Does depriving the air work? Not an expert about him, but he sounds like he still needs to breathe

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flash does, if he can (as in, the propensity is there):

https://i.postimg.cc/dt3RD5mJ/08.jpg

By the by, though.

Does Gojo not have defences against telepathy or magic or transmutation or BFR etc?
Yeah, going by the recent depiction in the One Minute War story. Barry looks like willing to do a time-travel if he can

So it is arguable for Barry to time-erase him. He has the abilities to do so in normal circumstance, he sometimes willing to do it

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flash does, if he can (as in, the propensity is there):
That's like saying that Superman would just destroy the planet, which only makes sense if you treat him as a set of powers. But it's not in-character, and he'd rather die than do it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By the by, though.

Does Gojo not have defences against telepathy or magic or transmutation or BFR etc?
Jujutsu translates to magic, and Jujutsushi to magic masters (although they're called sorcerers in the official translation).

They are resistant to magic, magical possession, and magical transmutations. But there are no instances of telepathy of the Marvel/DC kind. So Infinity shouldn't be able to filter it, and even if it theoretically could it shouldn't be part of its current filtering process.

And he has been BFR:d before in a pocket-universe, chapters 90 - 91 (kind of a long scene with interceptions, so I'm not going to post it). But he can break out of Domain Expansions (which are also pocket-spaces of sorts) and he can teleport.

Gojo is a tricky cookie to deal with because physical and magical attacks can't reach him under normal circumstances, he has a passive barrier of infinitely divided space that only he can move through.

https://i.imgur.com/tXH6w4wm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/D9QDdhWm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/6X3x2oFm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 69

He also passively heals his brain to keep the aforementioned technique active, which also means that he never sleeps. And recently he showed the ability to regrow his arm with this same healing technique.

He also has an infinity-themed Force-pull technique, where he creates a negative version of something, which functions as some kind of vacuum for that specific thing. But the way he uses it makes it look like typical telekinesis.

But the two most dangerous techniques he has is Hollow Purple, which destroyed matter, and his Domain Expansion: Immeasurable Void which paralyzes and fries the brain of people caught in it by feeding it infinite* information, and the Domain Expansion has some other tricks like the user can never miss any attacks in this space (it functions like a video game).

* Normal people can withstand Immeasurable Void for 0.2 seconds without suffering any lasting after-effects. So I'm not really sure how it's infinite information, unless it's an infinite loop of sorts.

https://i.imgur.com/uE9UHiCm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 89

So I think telepathy is the safest bet here.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Does depriving the air work? Not an expert about him, but he sounds like he still needs to breathe
Yes.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So it is arguable for Barry to time-erase him. He has the abilities to do so in normal circumstance, he sometimes willing to do it
There are a number of problems with time travel:
None of the Flashes have ever weaponized it like that.
Time travel could be considered leaving the battle field.
It depends on the nature of the fight. If Gojo is dropped onto DC Earth at point t = 0, and the Flash travels back to t = -1 then Gojo hasn't even arrived yet.
Telepathy is the best bet here.

And what's the range of his teleportation? Say, if Cyborg sends him into deep space, or to Apokolips (which as you know, is in a different dimension and, moreover, completely alien to Gojo), can he come back?

And this barrier sounds interesting. Can things interact through it i.e. can Metamorpho transmute the air in his lungs into acid (assuming Rex had the speed to do so, of course)?

Originally posted by Astner
Yes.

So theoretically, Flashes/Superman deprives the air around him would work right?
Like via circling around him, or super-breath inhales the air, or heat vision's warmth elimates the air in his lungs etc?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And what's the range of his teleportation? Say, if Cyborg sends him into deep space, or to Apokolips (which as you know, is in a different dimension and, moreover, completely alien to Gojo), can he come back?
It's never explained how his teleportation works. It should be tied to infinity in some way. But he hasn't teleport in or out of outer-space or anything like that. Also, IIRC he (in a flashback) mentioned that he had to work on his long-distance techniques which I assume relates to his teleportation technique.

He certainly couldn't teleport out of the prison realm. So if you could get him into another space that should work.

The problem with Cyborg is that he doesn't have super-speed and is therefore too slow to react before Gojo does.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And this barrier sounds interesting. Can things interact through it i.e. can Metamorpho transmute the air in his lungs into acid (assuming Rex had the speed to do so, of course)?
It only stops things he's deemed dangerous from reaching him. So objects that are of a certain sharpness, or move over a certain speed, or exceeds a certain mass, will automatically stopped, as explained in the first page. It also stops explosions from reaching him.

But he did say that he had issues identifying poisons. Granted, this was when he was younger, but it hasn't been addressed since so I would assume it still applies.

But more importantly, Metamorpho was never a member of the JLA.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So theoretically, Flashes/Superman deprives the air around him would work right?
Like via circling around him, or super-breath inhales the air, or heat vision's warmth elimates the air in his lungs etc?
I'm not 100% sure, because Infinity has stopped detonations (heat and shockwave). There's also teleportation to consider.

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Originally posted by Astner
It's never explained how his teleportation works. It should be tied to infinity in some way. But he hasn't teleport in or out of outer-space or anything like that. Also, IIRC he (in a flashback) mentioned that he had to work on his long-distance techniques which I assume relates to his teleportation technique.

He certainly couldn't teleport out of the prison realm. So if you could get him into another space that should work.

The problem with Cyborg is that he doesn't have super-speed and is therefore too slow to react before Gojo does.

He managed to catch the Watchtower before it hit Earth, reboot his systems, and Boom tube it away. He does indeed have superspeed - and that's before I go into how he thinks faster than the Watchtower's computers or whatever.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://i.postimg.cc/q68tG896/5567594-4814347272-55200.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/G9q9bmbC/5567595-2187795126-55200.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/JDHHswxq/5567596-4599509948-55200.jpg

He caught the Watchtower that was falling from orbit, with a Boom Tube.

Orbit is 22,236 miles above Earth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

Cyborg had 4 minutes before it hit Earth (and you can see in my 2nd scan it nearly hit Earth). So speed = d/t, so the speed was 333,540mph.

And Cyborg managed to catch it, reboot his systems and Boom Tube it away.

To compare it to your feat, since I have shown Cyborg can catch something that fast, Hulk will need to be faster in order to 'blitz' him.

Faster than 333,000mph.



The last sentence is not quite true. He was a part of them when the Hyperclan attacked. But then, I guess one can just swap Firestorm out then for the sake of argument (even though Metamorpho WAS part of the JLA).

Metamorpho:
https://i.postimg.cc/crrZwVhy/RCO012-1468801164.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WhCVnXYD/RCO016-1468801164.jpg

The Atom may have a very good chance too, then.

Arguing that Cyborg has super-speed is like arguing that Batman or Dr. Fate has super-speed. Could you find a feat that would support the claim? Sure. Is it consistent with their overall portrayal? No. They're not Kryptonians, Martians, nor do they have access to the Speed Force, and there's not a single instance of super-speed being explicitly attributed to him.

For reference, top tier Jujutsu Sorcerers and Cursed Spirits are in the supersonic range.

https://i.imgur.com/nTjetZzm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 193

So nowhere near fast enough to keep up with the Flash or Superman, but far too fast for anyone with human reactions.

But Infinity protects him from characters that are faster than him.

But I'm not sure why you're not content with the Miss Martian solution. Gojo is effectively a mage with moderate super-speed with no established defenses against telepathy. I don't even think Carver would argue against that one.

Originally posted by Astner
Arguing that Cyborg has super-speed is like arguing that Batman or Dr. Fate has super-speed. Could you find a feat that would support the claim? Sure. Is it consistent with their overall portrayal? No. They're not Kryptonians, Martians, nor do they have access to the Speed Force, and there's not a single instance of super-speed being explicitly attributed to him.

Except it isn't always Cyborg who is doing things - his AI also kicks in, which is faster than a human. He has both a Father Box and a Mother Box bonded to him - he doesn't just have human level reactions. After all, he has to be able to process millions of records in nanoseconds etc.



Because I like it when a question has multiple answers. It is fun.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except it isn't always Cyborg who is doing things - his AI also kicks in, which is faster than a human. He has both a Father Box and a Mother Box bonded to him - he doesn't just have human level reactions. After all, he has to be able to process millions of records in nanoseconds etc.
It's not he that processes it, it's his sensors. There were similar arguments pushed for Tony Stark back in the day, and I'm not sure why people are doing it.

If you want to interpret it that way that's fine. But I would not place my money on Cyborg for the majority in this battle.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because I like it when a question has multiple answers. It is fun.
At this point you should have a fairly good grasp of the character. He has two main abilities, Limitless and Six-Eyes. Limitless allows him to manifest infinity in reality, and his Six-Eyes allows him to do it better than everyone else, and those are the basis for all his unique techniques.

https://i.imgur.com/xBRsMuWm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 14

He also has access to regular Jujutsu Sorcerer techniques, like Black Flash, which is a punch-amplification technique. But those abilities are not particularly relevant with the exception for very special circumstances (like his opponents being able to adapt to his techniques).

If you can dispel or adapt to magic you should be able to get around Infinity, which is the biggest hurdle, and some degree of super-speed is also necessary. But the easiest solution would just be to look for the holes in his defenses like poisons or telepathy.

Wait...Shift should be able to do it. He should be able to turn into a poisonous gas and enter Gojo's lungs.

Originally posted by Astner
It's not he that processes it, it's his sensors. There were similar arguments pushed for Tony Stark back in the day, and I'm not sure why people are doing it.

If you want to interpret it that way that's fine. But I would not place my money on Cyborg for the majority in this battle.


At this point you should have a fairly good grasp of the character. He has two main abilities, Limitless and Six-Eyes. Limitless allows him to manifest infinity in reality, and his Six-Eyes allows him to do it better than everyone else, and those are the basis for all his unique techniques.

https://i.imgur.com/xBRsMuWm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 14

He also has access to regular Jujutsu Sorcerer techniques, like Black Flash, which is a punch-amplification technique. But those abilities are not particularly relevant with the exception for very special circumstances (like his opponents being able to adapt to his techniques).

If you can dispel or adapt to magic you should be able to get around Infinity, which is the biggest hurdle, and some degree of super-speed is also necessary. But the easiest solution would just be to look for the holes in his defenses like poisons or telepathy.

Wait...Shift should be able to do it. He should be able to turn into a poisonous gas and enter Gojo's lungs.

His sensors? What do you mean? A sensor is useless without something to process the...sensory input, and in this case the processor is a Motherbox.

So in the space of a nanosecond:
https://i.postimg.cc/hJV9Sy86/RCO014-2.jpg

We literally see his thought processes from one nanosecond to the next.

Downloading, learning, and applying new information:
https://i.postimg.cc/v4LfQCHG/5902953-cyborg-2016-013-016.jpg

Tony isn't Cyborg. He doesn't have a Motherbox fused to him. Unless you are arguing that his sensors download and learn martial arts, and then move his limbs? At which point, you are just arguing semantics, as the physical act of moving his limbs etc is Cyborg's.

But yeah, Shift (who is Metamorpho's clone)/Metamorpho/Miss Martian/Atom should be able to do it.

I'm also slightly unimpressed by this usage of infinity, because of your comment that normal humans can tolerate 0.2 seconds of 'infinite knowledge '. I know you try to rationalize it, but that still sounds iffy.

Originally posted by Astner
It's not he that processes it, it's his sensors. There were similar arguments pushed for Tony Stark back in the day, and I'm not sure why people are doing it.


I remember those arguments from when Tony had extremis. But it's a bad comparison, because the virus explicitly gave Tony super-speed processing: https://imgur.com/ty6nMfb

Which is maybe analogous to Cyborg's integration with the motherbox.

Originally posted by carver9
I would say he's faster than Doomsday.

And the true motive is revealed...

It's hilarious when we can then make an entire team of B-listers to take this guy out. Poor Carv must seethe.

Originally posted by Astner

If you can dispel or adapt to magic you should be able to get around Infinity, which is the biggest hurdle, and some degree of super-speed is also necessary.
Jamie Reyes might be up to the task, then.

Originally posted by Smurph
Jamie Reyes might be up to the task, then.

Well, then.....Batman in the Insider Suit will do just fine, if dispelling magic renders this sorcerer powerless!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's hilarious when we can then make an entire team of B-listers to take this guy out. Poor Carv must seethe.

You didn't name anyone. You're trying to give Cyborg super speed, lol

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His sensors? What do you mean? A sensor is useless without something to process the...sensory input, and in this case the processor is a Motherbox.

So in the space of a nanosecond:
https://i.postimg.cc/hJV9Sy86/RCO014-2.jpg

We literally see his thought processes from one nanosecond to the next.

Downloading, learning, and applying new information:
https://i.postimg.cc/v4LfQCHG/5902953-cyborg-2016-013-016.jpg

Tony isn't Cyborg. He doesn't have a Motherbox fused to him. Unless you are arguing that his sensors download and learn martial arts, and then move his limbs? At which point, you are just arguing semantics, as the physical act of moving his limbs etc is Cyborg's.

But yeah, Shift (who is Metamorpho's clone)/Metamorpho/Miss Martian/Atom should be able to do it.

I'm also slightly unimpressed by this usage of infinity, because of your comment that normal humans can tolerate 0.2 seconds of 'infinite knowledge '. I know you try to rationalize it, but that still sounds iffy.

How's his reactions.

Originally posted by carver9
You didn't name anyone. You're trying to give Cyborg super speed, lol

Atom, Metamorpho, Cyborg, Batman. That's 4 people I named.

Originally posted by carver9
How's his reactions.

Read the scans. Nanosecond level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Atom, Metamorpho, Cyborg, Batman. That's 4 people I named.



Read the scans. Nanosecond level.

Atom gets blitzed. Cyborg gets blitzed, Batman dies instantly.

I said his reactions, not his thought process.

Originally posted by carver9
Atom gets blitzed. Cyborg gets blitzed, Batman dies instantly.

I said his reactions, not his thought process.

Lol. In a nanosecond he is able to understand what is happening to himself, and cause his opponent to float up into the sky (i.e. he is able to strategise, and take action). That's an insane speed feat. It's wayyy past a mere reaction feat - imagine how fast your reactions would be, if you were able to make coherent thought processes and activate your abilities (clapping your hands or whatever) in the space of a nanosecond.

Prove that Batman dies instantly.

Prove that Atom gets blitzed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. In a nanosecond he is able to understand what is happening to himself, and cause his opponent to float up into the sky (i.e. he is able to strategise, and take action). That's an insane speed feat. It's wayyy past a mere reaction feat - imagine how fast your reactions would be, if you were able to make coherent thought processes and activate your abilities (clapping your hands or whatever) in the space of a nanosecond.

Prove that Batman dies instantly.

Prove that Atom gets blitzed.

I dont get why you're trying to paint Cyborg as a speedster when he's not. Might as well say Spiderman combat at the speed of light as well.

Are you implying Batman is CLOSE to Gojo speed? Gojo teleports by Batman and slaps him in the face as soon as the battle starts. Unless you think Batman has light speed reactions as well. You're handing it out like candy.

Let me guess, Atom is light speed as well? 🫥

Originally posted by carver9
I dont get why you're trying to paint Cyborg as a speedster when he's not. Might as well say Spiderman combat at the speed of light as well.

Are you implying Batman is CLOSE to Gojo speed? Gojo teleports by Batman and slaps him in the face as soon as the battle starts. Unless you think Batman has light speed reactions as well. You're handing it out like candy.

Let me guess, Atom is light speed as well? 🫥
You made the claims, so prove it. Then I will prove what I said.

May want to re-read my posts, though, lmao. I'm such a nice guy, helping you not get embarrassed.

I am curious where you get lightspeed reactions, though. Astner only posted supersonic level reactions.

Carver, play the race card.

It's your only chance after two decades of losing debates.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carver, play the race card.

It's your only chance after two decades of losing debates.

but darksaint is asian...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You made the claims, so prove it. Then I will prove what I said.

May want to re-read my posts, though, lmao. I'm such a nice guy, helping you not get embarrassed.

I am curious where you get lightspeed reactions, though. Astner only posted supersonic level reactions.

Cyborg getting speed blitzed by a junk yard robot...

https://ibb.co/DDDpNB8
https://ibb.co/b1dcgtH

Cyborg having 30 seconds to cross a block, but failed. Light speed, heck, a portion of that would've done it instantly. Also, Cyborg getting called slow by someone who has human level reactions...

https://ibb.co/rZfQCQW
https://ibb.co/prRkz4N

Cyborg admitting the robots he's fighting is his peer and Beast Boy is taking them down easily...

https://ibb.co/3TX1zPp

Who said Gojo is light speed? You're the one posting nano second stuff.

Originally posted by MrMind
but darksaint is asian...

Yeah, he could likely counter it with his own race card, true mmm

But then again, DS is rumoured to be some hybrid, that might not be enough to hold a candle to Carver's All-Black:

Originally posted by carver9
I have a chocolate ass.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... basically. He can try to hide it all he wants but he misses this chocolate sexiness in carver9.

Originally posted by carver9
Reading Pr posts, I can tell he was miserable with out me. Men can hug Pr. Let me know when you're ready to feel my chocolate arms.

hahahahahahaha

darksaint is my full blooded asian brother, we used to play dance dance revolution together back in the glorious arcade days, we both love ezra miller's flash.

https://i.ibb.co/JkBV2hD/impossible-star-wars.gif

Originally posted by carver9
Cyborg getting speed blitzed by a junk yard robot...

https://ibb.co/DDDpNB8
https://ibb.co/b1dcgtH

Cyborg having 30 seconds to cross a block, but failed. Light speed, heck, a portion of that would've done it instantly. Also, Cyborg getting called slow by someone who has human level reactions...

https://ibb.co/rZfQCQW
https://ibb.co/prRkz4N

Cyborg admitting the robots he's fighting is his peer and Beast Boy is taking them down easily...

https://ibb.co/3TX1zPp

Who said Gojo is light speed? You're the one posting nano second stuff.

And?

Gojo died in today's chapter.

https://i.imgur.com/hW79f3dm.jpg

Erm...is he just a bloody stump????

He was cut by in half (you can see the torso behind the legs). I'm not sure exactly what happened, because Sukuna used Mahoraga's ability to adapt to Gojo's Infinity and so they were able to bypass it, but Gojo destroyed Mahoraga in the last chapter.

Maybe space-rending techniques can bypass it? We'll have to wait for the translation to see actually happened.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And?


Concession accepted. Cyborg sucks.

Well. That's interesting. How did Mahoraga adapt?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well. That's interesting. How did Mahoraga adapt?
Mahoraga was a spirit with the unique ability to adapt to any Curse Energy Technique he he interacted with. Since he interacted with Infinity and Immeasurable Void he became immune to those techniques.

Gojo was able to kill him with Hollow Purple (an attack that decreates matter) since it killed him in one blow, not giving him time to adapt to it.

Originally posted by carver9
Concession accepted. Cyborg sucks.

It's not a concession, you need to reread forum rules lmao.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not a concession, you need to reread forum rules lmao.

Don't know what you want me to read since Cyborg is pretty slow tbh.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know what you want me to read since Cyborg is pretty slow tbh.

Re-read this, lol:


So as I have shown Cyborg has that level of speed....unless you want to say my scans are non-canon?

I am curious as to why YOUR usage of Surfer and 'nanoseconds' is valid, but mine isn't? Surfer, who has more showings and a longer history than Cyborg? Bias, perhaps?

Originally posted by Astner
Mahoraga was a spirit with the unique ability to adapt to any Curse Energy Technique he he interacted with. Since he interacted with Infinity and Immeasurable Void he became immune to those techniques.

Gojo was able to kill him with Hollow Purple (an attack that decreates matter) since it killed him in one blow, not giving him time to adapt to it.

How did Infinity and Immeasurable Void not kill him in the first place?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Re-read this, lol:


So as I have shown Cyborg has that level of speed....unless you want to say my scans are non-canon?

I am curious as to why YOUR usage of Surfer and 'nanoseconds' is valid, but mine isn't? Surfer, who has more showings and a longer history than Cyborg? Bias, perhaps?

You really didn't show anything and there are entire issues that depicts Cyborg as someone who doesn't contain this enormous amount of speeds.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How did Infinity and Immeasurable Void not kill him in the first place?
Mahoraga was summoned into Immeasurable Void and immediately broke it.

Infinity is just a barrier, it doesn't do damage. It blocked a couple of Mahoraga's hits before it could adapt though, so there's a time or interaction factor involved.

Originally posted by carver9
You really didn't show anything and there are entire issues that depicts Cyborg as someone who doesn't contain this enormous amount of speeds.

Does not matter.

I have shown that he is able to reboot his systems and catch something building sized falling at over 300,000mph.

I have shown that he thinks and acts in a nanosecond, not only figuring out problems but acting the solution out.

Under Full Capacity forum rules, I have proven that he has superspeed, certainly in thinking and reacting. Yes, I agree, he sucks - but my point is a sucky D-list JLA member is sufficient. I can certainly post more feats of him doing superspeed calculations and reactions if you want.

Originally posted by Astner
Mahoraga was summoned into Immeasurable Void and immediately broke it.

Infinity is just a barrier, it doesn't do damage. It blocked a couple of Mahoraga's hits before it could adapt though, so there's a time or interaction factor involved.

It would be interesting if Cyborg just bypassed space and just opened a Boom Tube where he was. Sounds like that could work.

It does matter. 9.9 times out of 10, Cyborg is slow AF.

Originally posted by carver9
It does matter. 9.9 times out of 10, Cyborg is slow AF.

That's not how Full Capacity works. And care to back that 9.9 times out of 10 statement?

I've only posted two scans, with explicit numbers. Third, if you count the downloading of info.

Using your math, that means Cyborg has.....300 appearances? Lmao. Sure. Probably more like 100.

Out of those 100, he isn't in battle in every single appearance - sometimes he's in the background chilling or whatever. Yet I still managed to get the showings.

You were perfectly happy to use a similar showing to argue for Surfer, someone who has more showings (so more like 9.99999 out of 10 lmao, if using your weird math).

Originally posted by carver9
Concession accepted. Cyborg sucks.

But... Cyborg is basically a Carver-Robot... half carver half machine... he can even rip tinfoil.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But... Cyborg is basically a Carver-Robot... half carver half machine... he can even rip tinfoil.

Carver in the Shell.

From the understanding of the recent chapter where Gojo was dead. It seems like his barriers don't apply to some space-cutting(and arguably, space-relating) powers.

So Cyborg's motherbox teleportation seems a valid tactic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's not how Full Capacity works. And care to back that 9.9 times out of 10 statement?

I've only posted two scans, with explicit numbers. Third, if you count the downloading of info.

Using your math, that means Cyborg has.....300 appearances? Lmao. Sure. Probably more like 100.

Out of those 100, he isn't in battle in every single appearance - sometimes he's in the background chilling or whatever. Yet I still managed to get the showings.

You were perfectly happy to use a similar showing to argue for Surfer, someone who has more showings (so more like 9.99999 out of 10 lmao, if using your weird math).

Cyborg doesn't have super speed. Your scans didn't help change that either. I also asked for reaction time fts and you didn't post anything. Now if you posted something like this, it's proof of light speed reactions...

https://ibb.co/rsNsdgF
https://ibb.co/txxHSST

Originally posted by carver9
Cyborg doesn't have super speed. Your scans didn't help change that either. I also asked for reaction time fts and you didn't post anything. Now if you posted something like this, it's proof of light speed reactions...

https://ibb.co/rsNsdgF
https://ibb.co/txxHSST

How is Cyborg's nanosecond scan different from Surfer's?

He literally responds in a nanosecond lmao.

Here's the full explanation of what happened.

https://i.imgur.com/6GWXBfjm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/47x2OoYm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/s9K8abgm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 236

I'm not really sure what to make of it. It's a new ability he learned, and it seems a bit more sophisticated than his normal space-cutting slashes. But there you go.

Originally posted by Astner
Here's the full explanation of what happened.

https://i.imgur.com/6GWXBfjm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/47x2OoYm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/s9K8abgm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 236

I'm not really sure what to make of it. It's a new ability he learned, and it seems a bit more sophisticated than his normal space-cutting slashes. But there you go.

It sounds a bit like 'I learnt not to target Gojo, but instead, target the piece of reality within which he was, which I then cut'. Like an AoE attack that bypasses directed defences.

Huh, I personally interpret it as he cuts the space which Gojo was within. Sort of like Vergil's Dimension Slash from Devil May Cry.

Sounds far more complicated than what you all are making it out to be.

Originally posted by carver9
Sounds far more complicated than what you all are making it out to be.
Tbf, tying your own shoelaces would be complicated to you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf, tying your own shoelaces would be complicated to you.

Lmao... gotcha. Still reads as being far more complicated than what you all are painting here, and it's obviously something neither Batman nor Cyborg can do. 😃

Prove it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It sounds a bit like 'I learnt not to target Gojo, but instead, target the piece of reality within which he was, which I then cut'. Like an AoE attack that bypasses directed defences. More complicated but not unlike how people learned to get around Judomaster's power.

Originally posted by Smurph
More complicated but not unlike how people learned to get around Judomaster's power.

That's the exact example I had in my head lol.

The way I read it, he defined a space around Gojo and his Infinity, and then he cut everything inside that space.


https://i.imgur.com/F8lk8HE.png

Yeah that's what I got from it as well. Sounds like qwerty thinks so too...

So yeah, since OP never said BFR was off, I still reckon Cyborg could do it by just using BFR.

He gets blitzed before that happens or succumbs to infinity.

Originally posted by carver9
He gets blitzed before that happens or succumbs to infinity.

Can Gojo react in nanoseconds?

lol

Gojo gets blitzed by Cyborg

gg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can Gojo react in nanoseconds?

He hits him the same way he will hit Spiderman who has nano second speed fts, by being faster than both. You're the same guy who said Aquaman girl also has light speed reactions. Handing that sh** out like candy.

Originally posted by carver9
He hits him the same way he will hit Spiderman who has nano second speed fts, by being faster than both. You're the same guy who said Aquaman girl also has light speed reactions. Handing that sh** out like candy.

Prove he is faster.

If I just watched the current episode correctly, Gojo just killed thousands monsters in 2 tenth of a second in infinity, speed blitzing between thousands of humans inside a subway stations while doing it, in a task that was mentioned in reality would've taken 2 months to achieve.

Yep, that's exactly what happened. He set his infinity for 2 tenth of a second and killed them all, THOUSANDS of them in that time which was stated as being like 2 months...

https://ibb.co/C6BVHfk
https://ibb.co/LkVj9DJ
https://ibb.co/qxm6PzK
https://ibb.co/5x3nkpR

Originally posted by carver9
If I just watched the current episode correctly,.

That's probably where you went wrong, tbh


But even so....that's hilariously slow compared to a nanosecond, dear carver.

Two TENTHS of a second, compared to.....a BILLIONTH of a second (i.e. a nanosecond) lmao. I don't think you realise just how short a timeframe it is.

Gojo could have killed 10 THOUSAND monsters in each tenth of a second, and that's still nothing compared to a billionth of a second. It really isn't.

I can walk it though slowly with you if you want? A tenth of a second is 0.1 seconds. A nanosecond is 0.000000001 seconds, lol, or if you want to look at it another way, a nanosecond is 100 MILLION TIMES shorter than a tenth of a second, lol. One nanosecond is to a second as a second is to 32 years.

And here you are, talking about a couple of months, lol.

I never said 2 tenth of a second is fast, it's what he did in those seconds that is impressive. That's how much he had available to him to achieve a goal which was killed thousands of monsters that were also bunched in with thousands of humans.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said 2 tenth of a second is fast, it's what he did in those seconds that is impressive. That's how much he had available to him to achieve a goal which was killed thousands of monsters that were also bunched in with thousands of humans.

Which is why I tried to explain the magnitudes of how much more a nanosecond is to a tenth of a second.

Even if Cyborg did ONE action in that nanosecond, a tenth of a second is a 100million of those nanoseconds....so he can do (in the same tenth of a second) 100 million actions. That's why it's so laughable. Assuming killing a monster is one action, he could kill 100million in a single tenth of a second, let alone two.

Killing thousands is a good feat, just nowhere near the scales I am talking about with Cyborg in his scan.

In short, we can lowball Cyborg massively and say he needs 1000nanoseconds to do an action (even though my scan doesn't show that, lol) and he would still outreact Gojo, and can open a Boom Tube up and BFR him.

Originally posted by Astner
Arguing that Cyborg has super-speed is like arguing that Batman or Dr. Fate has super-speed. Could you find a feat that would support the claim? Sure. Is it consistent with their overall portrayal? No. They're not Kryptonians, Martians, nor do they have access to the Speed Force, and there's not a single instance of super-speed being explicitly attributed to him.

For reference, top tier Jujutsu Sorcerers and Cursed Spirits are in the supersonic range.

https://i.imgur.com/nTjetZzm.jpg

- Jujutsu Kaisen ch. 193

So nowhere near fast enough to keep up with the Flash or Superman, but far too fast for anyone with human reactions.

But Infinity protects him from characters that are faster than him.

But I'm not sure why you're not content with the Miss Martian solution. Gojo is effectively a mage with moderate super-speed with no established defenses against telepathy. I don't even think Carver would argue against that one.

Supersonic range is their top speed, huh?

the flash solos the entire jjs verse

carver chokes on watermelon

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He managed to catch the Watchtower before it hit Earth, reboot his systems, and Boom tube it away. He does indeed have superspeed - and that's before I go into how he thinks faster than the Watchtower's computers or whatever. I mean... nobody is going to argue that Cyborg cannot descend towards the Earth's surface as fast as a hunk of space junk. So flight superspeed? Ok...

... so long as you're not co-equaling the flight speed with combat/reflex superspeed.

You'll have to read the other scans, and read other threads, to get the full context.

It's like a multi book crossover storyline!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His sensors? What do you mean? A sensor is useless without something to process the...sensory input, and in this case the processor is a Motherbox.

So in the space of a nanosecond:
https://i.postimg.cc/hJV9Sy86/RCO014-2.jpg

We literally see his thought processes from one nanosecond to the next.

Downloading, learning, and applying new information:
https://i.postimg.cc/v4LfQCHG/5902953-cyborg-2016-013-016.jpg

Tony isn't Cyborg. He doesn't have a Motherbox fused to him. Unless you are arguing that his sensors download and learn martial arts, and then move his limbs? At which point, you are just arguing semantics, as the physical act of moving his limbs etc is Cyborg's.

But yeah, Shift (who is Metamorpho's clone)/Metamorpho/Miss Martian/Atom should be able to do it.

I'm also slightly unimpressed by this usage of infinity, because of your comment that normal humans can tolerate 0.2 seconds of 'infinite knowledge '. I know you try to rationalize it, but that still sounds iffy.

He's 100% saying Cyborg has light speed reaction/reflexes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does not matter.

I have shown that he is able to reboot his systems and catch something building sized falling at over 300,000mph.

I have shown that he thinks and acts in a nanosecond, not only figuring out problems but acting the solution out.

Under Full Capacity forum rules, I have proven that he has superspeed, certainly in thinking and reacting. Yes, I agree, he sucks - but my point is a sucky D-list JLA member is sufficient. I can certainly post more feats of him doing superspeed calculations and reactions if you want.



It would be interesting if Cyborg just bypassed space and just opened a Boom Tube where he was. Sounds like that could work.

More proof.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You'll have to read the other scans, and read other threads, to get the full context.

It's like a multi book crossover storyline!!! Well, I was more focused on that one scene. Is there something I'm missing that recontextualizes that one scene in isolation? Let me know.

Others have already commented on other scans. I co-sign what Smurph pointed out concerning the analogies you can make between Cyborg and Iron Man.

your reading comprehension, as always, amuses me no end Carv.

You must honestly think that what you do is 'debating'.

Originally posted by ODG
Well, I was more focused on that one scene. Is there something I'm missing that recontextualizes that one scene in isolation? Let me know.

Others have already commented on other scans. I co-sign what Smurph pointed out concerning the analogies you can make between Cyborg and Iron Man.

Not really. It was fast, he threw his jet boots into over drive, caught up with it, rebooted his systems and was able to BFR it.

I won't insult your intelligence and think that you think like Carv here, and believe that I then extrapolated this into = lightspeed Cyborg or something.

And third-signed about Tony and Vic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Atom, Metamorpho, Cyborg, Batman. That's 4 people I named.



Read the scans. Nanosecond level.

More proof. I ask about Cyborg reaction speed, Dark say nano second. Seems pretty clear to me what he is trying to paint.

Originally posted by carver9
More proof. I ask about Cyborg reaction speed, Dark say nano second. Seems pretty clear to me what he is trying to paint.

What seems clear to you is always to be taken with a pinch of salt, tbf. Like, fistfuls of salt, lol.

But it's like I've always said - watching you try and debate is like watching a circus bear ride a bicycle. At first it's kinda funny to laugh at, and then after a while you just feel a bit bad for it. Like 'awww look he's trying so hard, he's got a little vest on! He thinks he's people!'

And then soon.....hmmmm. this is just cruel now.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really. It was fast, he threw his jet boots into over drive, caught up with it, rebooted his systems and was able to BFR it.

I won't insult your intelligence and think that you think like Carv here, and believe that I then extrapolated this into = lightspeed Cyborg or something.

And third-signed about Tony and Vic. How dare you. carver9 and me, we're tight bruh. And don't pretend you're not the same.

https://media.tenor.com/KfOxucUsbKIAAAAC/sup-girl-eyebrows.gif

DarkODGver9 4life.

Truly a fearsome being. The wank of DS, the anger of ODG and the stupidity of Carver.....

I dare anybody else combine three other KMC posters to challenge our amalgamation!

https://media.tenor.com/PMqHqcZTZdIAAAAC/the-rock.gif

Originally posted by Astner
It's not he that processes it, it's his sensors. There were similar arguments pushed for Tony Stark back in the day, and I'm not sure why people are doing it.


https://i.postimg.cc/J4fhXK9N/09.jpg

He can process 100 Terabytes of data in 0.0001 seconds. That's 1 million Terabytes of data a second, or 1 Exabyte.

Not that the original statement wasn't silly...

so cyborg solos?

Superman whisks Gojo into timestream and traps him between moments in time
https://i.ibb.co/26CLkzm/14.jpg

But not sure Superman is the weakest here

Originally posted by ODG
I dare anybody else combine three other KMC posters to challenge our amalgamation!

https://media.tenor.com/PMqHqcZTZdIAAAAC/the-rock.gif
LordDiesel. Bow to your God!!

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Superman whisks Gojo into timestream and traps him between moments in time
https://i.ibb.co/26CLkzm/14.jpg

But not sure Superman is the weakest here

Pre Criss Superman, lmao

Originally posted by carver9
Pre Criss Superman, lmao
Didn't you bring like Hulk destroyed a universe, or Surfer broke some bonds in a nanosecond etc?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Superman whisks Gojo into timestream and traps him between moments in time
https://i.ibb.co/26CLkzm/14.jpg

But not sure Superman is the weakest here

Def not the weakest - a telepath (Miss Martian) or Cyborg or Shift/Metamorpho can do it

For comparison, the entirety of Netflix's content (every single movie, every single episode of every single show) is about 6% of what Cyborg can process in a single second, lmao.