Broly vs Fat Buu
this is the first buu that the z warriors fought. you know the fat one with the cape and the gloves vs the legendairy super saiyan.
who wins? this is not a stupid thread cuz i belive broly stands a chance against him figuring fat buu got owned by SS3 goku and i think that broly is not to far under SS3. but anyways who wins?
Originally posted by strifex6
this is the first buu that the z warriors fought. you know the fat one with the cape and the gloves vs the legendairy super saiyan.who wins? this is not a stupid thread cuz i belive broly stands a chance against him figuring fat buu got owned by SS3 goku and i think that broly is not to far under SS3. but anyways who wins?
Could've sworn it was a stalemate between those. Broly gets turned into chocolate.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixGokou was easily beating on Fat Buu, and then later even said he could've beaten him he just wanted to give the kids something to do. And Broli would still retain all his power as chocolate.
Could've sworn it was a stalemate between those. Broly gets turned into chocolate.
Buu absorbs Broli.
Originally posted by King KandyBuu also never made anybody chocolate that was a threat to him. And you even see that people were still alive when they get turned into chocolate. Vegetto didn't do anything special either when he was turned to chocolate so there is no reason to assume he's special.
Since when? Only Vegetto ever retained his powers, and Buu was amazed when it happened, because that's not something that usually works.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixBut that would basically be the same thing as turning him into chocolate. Dabura wasn't a challenge to him at all anyway so if he did keep his power it wouldn't matter. Unlike Vegetto who was already leagues above him. Buu usually absorbed stronger people instead of turning them into chocolate. Exception was Vegetto who he turned to candy, and Piccolo who he absorbed that was weaker than him and never turned to candy.
Well couldn't he turn him into a cookie a la Dabura?
Originally posted by strifex6
this is the first buu that the z warriors fought. you know the fat one with the cape and the gloves vs the legendairy super saiyan.who wins? this is not a stupid thread cuz i belive broly stands a chance against him figuring fat buu got owned by SS3 goku and i think that broly is not to far under SS3. but anyways who wins?
Broly ftw
Originally posted by Kento
Gokou was easily beating on Fat Buu, and then later even said he could've beaten him he just wanted to give the kids something to do. And Broli would still retain all his power as chocolate.Buu absorbs Broli.
QFT.
And, Broli < SSJ2.
Fat Buu > SSJ2
The difference in power between SSJ and SSJ2 is vast. Very very big gap. In there, somewhere, is Broly. A non-SSJ2 character beat Broli with the energy from the other Z fighters...fighters that were all beaten up and drained anyway. LSSJ Broli was defeated by that.
SSJ2 Vegeta was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.
SSJ2 Gohan is > LSSJ Broli.
Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta
Buu >> LSSJ Broli
Also, consider that Broli doesn't even stand a chance of destroying Buu.
Originally posted by dadudemon
QFT.And, Broli < SSJ2.
Fat Buu > SSJ2
The difference in power between SSJ and SSJ2 is vast. Very very big gap. In there, somewhere, is Broly. A non-SSJ2 character beat Broli with the energy from the other Z fighters...fighters that were all beaten up and drained anyway. LSSJ Broli was defeated by that.
SSJ2 Vegeta was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.
SSJ2 Gohan is > LSSJ Broli.
Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta
Buu >> LSSJ Broli
Also, consider that Broli doesn't even stand a chance of destroying Buu.
Broli was beaten by plot all three times. Broli's power was growing all the time yet somehow Gokou is able to stay alive through all the attacks he took at the end after being koed in like a few attacks the first time? That's the definiton of PIS. The second time he was wished beaten. The third time his clone only lost because sea water was his weakness and he was on an island.
Originally posted by Kento
You're right about how there is a large gap in power between ssj and ssj2 but Broli isn't between that gap at all. Broli was already high above ssj and that was before he nearly died. And Gohan was may have been weaker at ssj2 as an adult Broli was a
whole lot stronger than Gohan at ssj2 when he came back. Broli would have been able to do the same to Dabura and Gohan that Fat Buu did minus turning Dabura into chocolate.
Vegeta said, on more than one occasion, that Gohan was much weaker than when he fought cell.
Also, Vegeta said that he could beat Dabura, no problem and that Gohan is wasting time. Vegeta, at the time, as far was we know, is not SSJ2. That took Babidi's magic to bump him up to that level.
We know that after the bump, he was stronger than gohan at the cell games as he fought evenly with Goku. Vegeta said that Goku was stronger than Gohan when he (gohan) fought cell.
The power difference between SSJ and SSJ2 is phenomenal. Even a very powerful SSJ Goku could not defeat Perfect Cell. However, a SSJ2 Gohan made him look like a fool. Like nothing. Did Broly make the Z fighters look nearly as bad as Gohan made Cell look? No...he did beat the shit out of them...but it wasn't as bad as Gohan made Cell look. Gohan was almost punching right through Cell.
Perfect Cell was > Goku.
The Goku in the Broli movie was < the Goku that fought Perfect cell. (Neither he nor Gohan were walking around as a supersaiyan, regularly.)
To put into perspective the power difference between pre-hyperbolic time chamber Goku and post...
Goku was slightly more powerful than Trunks. Trunks and Vegeta got their asses kicked by the Androids. After training in the chamber, not only were they much stronger than the Androids, the were also stronger than energized Imperfect Cell. Not only that, they were also much stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell. There was that much of a power amp for Trunks and Vegeta.
Now, Goku's power-amp was so much bigger than he was able to fight on par with Perfect Cell, for the most part, before giving up. Vegeta was not able to do Jack Shit to Perfect Cell.
Cell games SSJ2 Gohan would have laid waste to both Broli and Dabura.
The Goku and Gohan in the movie are, at best, the the iterations that had Gohan barely achieving SSJ. Gohan was getting his ass beaten by cell, handily, before he went SSJ2. This is a stronger Gohan that completed his Hyperbolic time chamber training.
However, trying to equate the movie versions is retarded. Again, there is no continuity in DBZ, especially to power. By all measurements, Vegeta and Trunks should have been significantly stronger than than Goku and Gohan. But they weren't. Why not? PIS, no doubt.
Originally posted by dadudemonI know he was weaker.
Vegeta said, on more than one occasion, that Gohan was much weaker than when he fought cell.Also, Vegeta said that he could beat Dabura, no problem and that Gohan is wasting time. Vegeta, at the time, as far was we know, is not SSJ2. That took Babidi's magic to bump him up to that level.
We know that after the bump, he was stronger than gohan at the cell games as he fought evenly with Goku. Vegeta said that Goku was stronger than Gohan when he (gohan) fought cell.
The power difference between SSJ and SSJ2 is phenomenal. Even a very powerful SSJ Goku could not defeat Perfect Cell. However, a SSJ2 Gohan made him look like a fool. Like nothing. Did Broly make the Z fighters look nearly as bad as Gohan made Cell look? No...he did beat the shit out of them...but it wasn't as bad as Gohan made Cell look. Gohan was almost punching right through Cell.
Perfect Cell was > Goku.
The Goku in the Broli movie was < the Goku that fought Perfect cell. (Neither he nor Gohan were walking around as a supersaiyan, regularly.)
To put into perspective the power difference between pre-hyperbolic time chamber Goku and post...
Goku was slightly more powerful than Trunks. Trunks and Vegeta got their asses kicked by the Androids. After training in the chamber, not only were they much stronger than the Androids, the were also stronger than energized Imperfect Cell. Not only that, they were also much stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell. There was that much of a power amp for Trunks and Vegeta.
Now, Goku's power-amp was so much bigger than he was able to fight on par with Perfect Cell, for the most part, before giving up. Vegeta was not able to do Jack Shit to Perfect Cell.
Cell games SSJ2 Gohan would have laid waste to both Broli and Dabura.
The Goku and Gohan in the movie are, at best, the the iterations that had Gohan barely achieving SSJ. Gohan was getting his ass beaten by cell, handily, before he went SSJ2. This is a stronger Gohan that completed his Hyperbolic time chamber training.
However, trying to equate the movie versions is retarded. Again, there is no continuity in DBZ, especially to power. By all measurements, Vegeta and Trunks should have been significantly stronger than than Goku and Gohan. But they weren't. Why not? PIS, no doubt.
If I recall Gohan never went ssj2 against Dabura either though.
Perfect Cell also didn't make the Z warriors look as bad as Broli did. And Broli was toying around with them. We never see the true strength of Broli, and him loosing to Gokou was wrong as Broli's power was growing even then and Gokou went from being unable to do anything to being half dead, with energy from half dead warriors that allowed him to suddenly be more powerful when Broli swatted them all away with ease and toying with them. And Gohan became so much stronger than Cell for one he was already equal to Cell in power at ssj, and two his anger made him so much stronger. Cell wasn't nearly as strong when he got the ssj2 power up and came back as Super Perfect Cell. He lost to a weaker Gohan than the one that toyed with him as Perfect.
The Gokou that fought Broli was the same exact Gokou that fought Cell if you want to put the Broli movie in the timeline. Trunks has long hair. It could only take place during the week they had before the Cell Games, or in a an alternate time where Gokou doesn't die by Cell. Either way it's the same Gokou.
Even then Broli has a lot more durability than Cell also, and while Gohan as an adult may be weaker the Triple Kamehameha was much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan's attack against Cell and Broli was able to stop it without much effort until his energy stopped connecting with his energy ball he was using to stop it. And ever after that he was able to block it.
Even assuming that Broli wasn't stonger than Super Perfect Cell in the first movie he still nearly died in that movie which would sky-rocket his power way beyond during movie 10. He'd have gotten a lot bigger power-up than Cell would have as Cell is only part saiyan and Broli is full-blooded.
Originally posted by Kento
Perfect Cell also didn't make the Z warriors look as bad as Broli did.
He certainly did. He made Vegeta look much worse. Two hits in a very short period of time and he was out. This is also after he let Vegeta toy with him. And Cell wasn't even all the way powered up, either.
Broli, on the other hand, was powered up pretty much to the max, at that point. He just got done flexing everything he had and releasing some energy so he wouldn't explode.
Originally posted by Kento
And Broli was toying around with them.
Sort of. He was toying with them, no doubt, but he wasn't pulling punches, like Perfect Cell did with Vegeta. They only thing he didn't do was blow the planet up.
Originally posted by Kento
We never see the true strength of Broli,
No, we do. We see him in his full glory. After the inhibitors were broken, we saw his true strength. Nothing was holding him back.
Originally posted by Kento
and him loosing to Gokou was wrong as Broli's power was growing even then and Gokou went from being unable to do anything to being half dead, with energy from half dead warriors that allowed him to suddenly be more powerful when Broli swatted them all away with ease and toying with them. And Gohan became so much stronger than Cell for one he was already equal to Cell in power at ssj, and two his anger made him so much stronger. Cell wasn't nearly as strong when he got the ssj2 power up and came back as Super Perfect Cell. He lost to a weaker Gohan than the one that toyed with him as Perfect.
I'm not sure what your point is about Gohan, but your point about Goku winning most certainly is PIS.
And, no, Gohan got his ass handed to him by Cell before he went SSJ2. Of course, he didn't fight back very much, but his ass was getting beaten every which way to hell.
Originally posted by Kento
The Gokou that fought Broli was the same exact Gokou that fought Cell if you want to put the Broli movie in the timeline. Trunks has long hair. It could only take place during the week they had before the Cell Games, or in a an alternate time where Gokou doesn't die by Cell. Either way it's the same Gokou.
No it's not. If it were, it would be the Goku and Gohan that had permanent SSJ mode. And Gohan would have gone SSJ2 to save everyone.
At best, the movie is taking the characters right after Gohan can maintain SSJ.
You would be correct, only if they were in they were stuck in SSJ mode.
Originally posted by Kento
Even then Broli has a lot more durability than Cell also, and while Gohan as an adult may be weaker the Triple Kamehameha was much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan's attack against Cell and Broli was able to stop it without much effort until his energy stopped connecting with his energy ball he was using to stop it. And ever after that he was able to block it.
No, the triple K was not even close to the one Gohan and Cell exchanged. I just watched that scene and the scene Gohan was fighting cell. They are not eve comparable.
No, what happened is the three tried harder and harder and overcame Broli, punching through his big ass energy ball.
Originally posted by Kento
Even assuming that Broli wasn't stonger than Super Perfect Cell in the first movie he still nearly died in that movie which would sky-rocket his power way beyond during movie 10. He'd have gotten a lot bigger power-up than Cell would have as Cell is only part saiyan and Broli is full-blooded.
No, he didn't recover. He still had his injury, for the most part. If anything, he was weaker.
Also, Gohan did not go SSJ2 against Broli. I just watched it and no where do we see SSJ2 from Gohan.
I would put Ultimate SSJ Broli stronger than any of the Z fighters when they fought cell (with the exception of SSJ Gohan), but weaker than Super Perfect Cell.
Still, LSSJ Broli doesn't stand a chance against Buu in any iteration.
Originally posted by dadudemonBroli wasn't powered up to the max. His power was growing, and he hadn't been powering up at all after the initial release of energy to become LSSJ. And he took Vegeta out by just smashing his head against something. He pretty much one-shot all the Z Warriors not even trying. They were all dying before Piccolo came to give them sensu beans and Broli hadn't even really began.
He certainly did. He made Vegeta look much worse. Two hits in a very short period of time and he was out. This is also after he let Vegeta toy with him. And Cell wasn't even all the way powered up, either.Broli, on the other hand, was powered up pretty much to the max, at that point. He just got done flexing everything he had and releasing some energy so he wouldn't explode.
Sort of. He was toying with them, no doubt, but he wasn't pulling punches, like Perfect Cell did with Vegeta. They only thing he didn't do was blow the planet up.
No, we do. We see him in his full glory. After the inhibitors were broken, we saw his true strength. Nothing was holding him back.
I'm not sure what your point is about Gohan, but your point about Goku winning most certainly is PIS.
And, no, Gohan got his ass handed to him by Cell before he went SSJ2. Of course, he didn't fight back very much, but his ass was getting beaten every which way to hell.
No it's not. If it were, it would be the Goku and Gohan that had permanent SSJ mode. And Gohan would have gone SSJ2 to save everyone.
At best, the movie is taking the characters right after Gohan can maintain SSJ.
You would be correct, only if they were in they were stuck in SSJ mode.
No, the triple K was not even close to the one Gohan and Cell exchanged. I just watched that scene and the scene Gohan was fighting cell. They are not eve comparable.
No, what happened is the three tried harder and harder and overcame Broli, punching through his big ass energy ball.
No, he didn't recover. He still had his injury, for the most part. If anything, he was weaker.
Also, Gohan did not go SSJ2 against Broli. I just watched it and no where do we see SSJ2 from Gohan.
I would put Ultimate SSJ Broli stronger than any of the Z fighters when they fought cell (with the exception of SSJ Gohan), but weaker than Super Perfect Cell.
Still, LSSJ Broli doesn't stand a chance against Buu in any iteration.
He is held back. He's just wading through them casually as if they are nothing. He's not even trying.
Gohan was dodging Cell easily, and taking Cell's attacks in stride. He didn't want to fight. The only thing Cell had over Gohan was strength. That's why he didn't hurt Gohan until he started squeezing him. Gohan was on par with Cell before ssj2.
Gohan wouldn't have been ssj2 before fighting Cell. And Gohan learned ssj in the Spirit and Time Room. Which happened after Trunks and Vegeta went into it. When they came out the next day was when the wait for the Cell Games began. The fact that Gohan was ssj means that it is during the Cell Game waiting period. Which means they had to have come out of the spirit and time room. Which means Gokou is the same one that fought Cell just a few days before the Cell Games actually start.
They had Gokou helping, and encouraging them to try harder..But Broli's blast also stopped connecting with his huge energy ball. They blew up before they got to it. And Gohan was ssj2 according to the official books. The animators were just to lazy to draw the lightning around him.