Where're on the brink

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Where're on the brink

Russia has been trying to end the world for decades through propaganda, to no avail, all the while American leaders of industry have been successfully implementing global mechanisms that have and will increasingly continue to feed wealth disparity worldwide. The ones with the real power, wealthy families and their relations in the politics of America and high industry, are carelessly driving for dystopic conditions.

Capitalism has succeeded because of profit, it was more profitable to not be green since the dawn of industry, and so we have taken a destructive route in meeting our energy needs. Now the monetary institution and the only way humans have ever done business is threatened by this necessity to be innovative and sufficient, and to not feed scarcity for profit.

We're now privy to the latter, and we're finally attempting to even out wealth distribution, yet the public has become increasingly hapless in preventing scarcity production and profit even though we're becoming increasingly aware. The Republican party is not in office, yet they still control the democratic elements of our nation more so than ever.

The monetary system is what we must overcome, because it was not designed for abundance but the opposite. It cannot be redesigned, and so this poor society will continue to decline without a radical retrofit of the entire industrial infrastructure and the radical disestablishment of governance and business altogether.

We must figure out how to make the total re-engineering of modern society happen, and that will open up the doors to the space age and human enhancement the likes of which has never been seen.

The only way to do this, is with one scientific innovation at a time, and it will, perhaps in this very century, be clear how to re-engineer society. Necessity will push us to do so afterward. Things are going to get a lot worse before that picture is painted, however. So get ready for calamity and pandemonium worldwide.

You think Russia is actively trying to destroy the world?

Crime and war are provably lower, relative to the world's population, than they've been in recorded history. Scientific advancement is at an all-time zenith.

None of us really know what's going on with global politics. So much of it is too large for any one person to grasp, let alone control, and the nuances of any of it are mind boggling. As such, hopeful outlooks are as valid as paranoid ones. Someday, maybe the world collapses, and everyone posting stuff like this on internet boards is going to beat their chest in validation. Until then, the thousands that have already done so are wrong, and even if some end up being right, it will likely be because of incorrect reasons.

Oneness, go live your life. Unless you're living there or in a direct position to affect it, worry less about Russia.

Russia does whats its told.

It's interesting, and scary, how Americans are the ones that know the least about capitalism and what it entails. Who it benefits and who it hinders.

Russia is a dying animal--dying animals are often given to violent thrashing and loud noises.

Putin is not doing nearly enough to diversify Russia's economy or build strategic relationships that can make future Russia anything more than China's raw material warehouse. His successor will probably find himself in the same situation that Gorbachev found himself at the end of the Soviet Union.

Originally posted by Astner
It's interesting, and scary, how Americans are the ones that know the least about capitalism and what it entails. Who it benefits and who it hinders.

Generalizations are always correct, generally speaking.

Originally posted by Astner
It's interesting, and scary, how Americans are the ones that know the least about capitalism and what it entails. Who it benefits and who it hinders.

And Canadians are always nice and the French always stink

Originally posted by Firefly218
And Canadians are always nice
F*cking c*cksucker, you damn well know it.

There's nothing wrong with the monetary system at least nothing on the scale that hinders human development. There may be a problem with those in majority control of it but that's a problem we will always have in a free thinking and free acting society. ITs the same reason we need class structure in society and why there can never be a utopia.

The world is fine. it may be hard to see when we're constantly inundated with coverage on the worst atrocities but we are living in the best of times.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There's nothing wrong with the monetary system at least nothing on the scale that hinders human development. There may be a problem with those in majority control of it but that's a problem we will always have in a free thinking and free acting society. ITs the same reason we need class structure in society and why there can never be a utopia.

The world is fine. it may be hard to see when we're constantly inundated with coverage on the worst atrocities but we are living in the best of times.

I disagree with that. Corporate greed across the world and their increasingly inventive ways of tax avoidance is actively taking money from government funded technological research. Aviation technology has regressed, space technology and travel is regressing, medical research is now dictated entirely by whether a treatment would be profitable rather than beneficial to humanity.

The most terrifying prospect is that the relentless chase for profit blinds the world to everything else, even that which will not just destroy profit but destroy the environment, entire countries and devastate economies.

http://m.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719

And yet the current monetary system actively takes money away from the only mechanism to mitigate against the very problems that same monetary system is building up.

That article is horrifying.

edit- Omega, can you extrapolate a bit more on Russia's situation?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Russia is a dying animal--dying animals are often given to violent thrashing and loud noises.

Putin is not doing nearly enough to diversify Russia's economy or build strategic relationships that can make future Russia anything more than China's raw material warehouse. His successor will probably find himself in the same situation that Gorbachev found himself at the end of the Soviet Union.

Is that in some ways similar to another country we all know and treasure, one that's factually bad at Geography perhaps?

Originally posted by Digi
Generalizations are always correct, generally speaking.

It doesn't matter if you're uneducated or a field expert, you still get one vote.

Originally posted by Firefly218
And Canadians are always nice and the French always stink

We're discussing generalizations—i.e. that which applies to the majority—not stereotypes.

Originally posted by Astner
It doesn't matter if you're uneducated or a field expert, you still get one vote.

True. Though those who are the least interested and knowledgeable about politics also tend to be the least likely to vote, by a wide margin. Same with education. Depending on the source you site and the year it was conducted in, college grads are ~20% more likely to vote than those with H.S. degrees or less.

It's not perfect, but there are some self-correcting tendencies in place like this. Which doesn't touch on the more philosophical debate about individual worth in a political system, regardless of education, but that's a murkier debate.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
That article is horrifying.

edit- Omega, can you extrapolate a bit more on Russia's situation?


Russia has a shrinking population and it's been unable thus far to stop capital and intelligence from leaving its country. Basically Putin's policies, while popular with the majority of Russians, have been bad for foreign investment and have encouraged Russians who have money to invest elsewhere and safeguard their wealth in other countries. Similarly, Russia is experiencing a brain drain because its educated classes realize they can make more money in Europe and America and not have to fear censorship and intimidation if they disagree with Putin.

Russia's future is with China, unfortunately for Russia, China's growing economic and military might means that long term Russia cannot hope to become anything more than China's lackey, a source of raw materials and a supporting vote on the UNSC. In the meantime Russia is probably still the senior partner to China thanks to its diplomatic standing and nuclear arsenal, but this will change with time. Think of the US-Uk relationship before, during, and after WW2. However unlike that situation, where the two countries had essentially no major disagreements or conflicts, with Russia and China there is growing tension over the Russian Far East. While Russia's population has stagnated and attempts to settle the Far East have been slow, China has a huge population and an insatiable demand for raw materials. Already Chinese migrants have started to take over some parts of the Russian Far East, and Russia can't really reverse this trend without adopting policies that would alienate China.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Is that in some ways similar to another country we all know and treasure, one that's factually bad at Geography perhaps?

The United States doesn't have a shrinking population and has a very diverse economy. While in terms of its overall standing in the world the US is a weakening power, it isn't heading for demographic or economic ruin as Russia is.

Originally posted by Digi
True. Though those who are the least interested and knowledgeable about politics also tend to be the least likely to vote, by a wide margin. Same with education. Depending on the source you site and the year it was conducted in, college grads are ~20% more likely to vote than those with H.S. degrees or less.

It's not perfect, but there are some self-correcting tendencies in place like this. Which doesn't touch on the more philosophical debate about individual worth in a political system, regardless of education, but that's a murkier debate.


How many U.S. citizens are college graduates? 30% and declining? If you factor in the 20% for that you still land at a petty 36% of the votes.

But who does these college graduates vote for? Well, they vote for the ones that cater to their own interests at the expense of the poor and sick. While the uneducated vote to get the black man out of the white house.

Capitalism took the States from being the best country to be born in to being the worst first world country in, all within a period of 20 years.

Education, health care and welfare should be 100% communal. Because when you start prioritizing profits within these constitutions you're doing that at the cost of the well-being of people.

I mean, I agree with your overall point, but you say some stupid things, ide...

Originally posted by Astner
How many U.S. citizens are college graduates? 30% and declining? If you factor in the 20% for that you still land at a petty 36% of the votes.

But who does these college graduates vote for? Well, they vote for the ones that cater to their own interests at the expense of the poor and sick. While the uneducated vote to get the black man out of the white house.

Capitalism took the States from being the best country to be born in to being the worst first world country in, all within a period of 20 years.

Education, health care and welfare should be 100% communal. Because when you start prioritizing profits within these constitutions you're doing that at the cost of the well-being of people.

You're getting into a lot of areas here that would require extended responses. But the States actually aren't so bad. I'm not a flag-waving, gun-toting patriotic cliche, and I'd probably agree with some of what you're saying if we got into it, but it's not worth hashing out. There seems to be a lot of bias in your words...a phrase like "worst first world country" is entirely unfalsifiable (or provable in any objective sense), and therefore meaningless. But it's clear you have your opinion. Enjoy it.

Why don't you go make out with a bald eagle, or something.