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Why couldn't Qui Gon , and Obi-Wan sence Palpatine
I was watching Phantom Menace, and they did not to me sense he was evil! Any input will be greatly appreciated!
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Aug 16th, 2000 09:31 AM |
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Mace23
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Yoda said it best. "Hard to see the darkside is" I think that about covers it. Maybe it's one of the reason's he becomes so powerful. If the Jedi can't detect him then he has the time to develop his power to the fullest. Or maybe because he is so powerful he can hide it.
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Aug 16th, 2000 09:35 AM |
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UnknownBountyHunter
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Good point Mace.
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Aug 16th, 2000 09:57 AM |
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Darth Heinous
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A Sith amulet . . .
Darth Sidious/Paplatine had a Sith amulet that masks the Darkside which made him undetectable to the Jedi Knights.
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Nov 15th, 2000 06:12 AM |
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Ratcat
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Re: A Sith amulet . . .
Where'd that come from, the info not the amulet?
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Nov 15th, 2000 08:31 PM |
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queeq
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Re: A Sith amulet . . .
Now hold on. That amulet doesn't sound very canon to me. And furthermore, Sith can be sensed somehow. OB1 does ("I have a bad feeling about this. Elsewhere, elusive") and os does the Council. How else did they manage to find out that the "queen's attacker" was a Sith? I doubt they slid down that generator chute to pick up the pieces. So Sith CAN be sensed, but very hard.
It is still strange though that they cannot even sense it while being in the same room with Palpy.
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Nov 15th, 2000 09:34 PM |
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Darth Heinous
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Sensing the Sith . . .
You asked. I gave you an answer (not THE answer) from a book about the Sith.
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Nov 16th, 2000 04:43 AM |
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queeq
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
OK, makes sense now. I call that EU and not canon. Would you mind very much if I dismiss that argument then?
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Nov 16th, 2000 04:45 AM |
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Ratcat
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
As queeg points out they were times when the Sith presences was hinted at in the force but was "elusive".
I would say that in general, if you don't know what your looking for and it is being concealed then it is hard to find it, even from a few yards away.
Once the Jedi have ideantified the palpatine is the focal point I think you will find that they can track him with greater ease because they know hwta to search for and can therefore link a remenant in the force to it's source.
Unfortunately, buy the time that happens I think Palpatine will have all his piece in play and it will be to late.
We have to remember that the ultimate outcome has already been decied and that is kind off where EpII&III are lead to.
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Nov 16th, 2000 05:01 AM |
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Darth Daft
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
The amulet. Was it that brooch on Sidious' cloak that you can see in the VD?
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Nov 16th, 2000 05:26 AM |
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Ratcat
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
Nah, it's an EU think so it isn't in the canon.
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Nov 16th, 2000 06:03 AM |
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Darth Daft
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
On this "sensing" topic, I believe that members of the Lightside can't sense the Darkside very well and vice-versa. This could have something to do with "the Balance of the Force," which hasn't been properly explained yet and it might also explain why Palpy and Vader couldn't sense Obi-Wan or Yoda.
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Nov 16th, 2000 06:11 AM |
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
they can't sense him
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Nov 16th, 2000 10:09 AM |
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queeq
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
Now, hold on again. Vader DID sense Ob1's presence in ANH. "I sense something, something I've felt not since..." and "A tremor in the Force. The last time I felt it was in the presence of my old master."
So there is a way of sensing tremors in the Force both up close (Vader in ANH) and at a distance (OB1 in TPM).
That balance in the Force thing might indeed be the clue to unravel this mystery.
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Nov 16th, 2000 02:41 PM |
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Ratcat
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
Remember that OB1 and Ani will have a close working relationship
during the 10 year can from TMP to EpII. It is likely that a
master and padawan become "attuned" to each other,
hence vaders ability to detect OB1 on the death star.
This is similar, though also different to Vaders ability to
detect Luke in ANH whilst Palpatine did not.
"Strange
that I do not sence his presences, I woder Lord Vader if your
feelings are completely clear on this matter?"
Whilst the Padawan/Master link may not be so well defined, the
link between Luke and Vader had little time to develop but was
still strong.
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Nov 16th, 2000 05:29 PM |
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queeq
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
Good point RC. Maybe it's closeness that will improve 'sensing'
each other. Vader also sensed Luke during the trench run in ANH.
But then again, there is the Jedi Council figuring
out that the Sith had returned. And based on what? A report of
a dark warrior well trained in the Jedi arts.
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Nov 16th, 2000 08:57 PM |
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Ratcat
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
Very true, once the JC know that the Sith arre potentailly out
there they could hope to try and hunt him down.
But
it's a big Galaxy, and they're probably not gonna look right
on their own doorstep. Plus "Hard to see, the dark side
is."
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Nov 16th, 2000 11:08 PM |
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queeq
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
Probably, even with a big nose like that. Go figure...
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Nov 17th, 2000 04:25 AM |
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Ratcat
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
Huh? What big nose?
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Nov 17th, 2000 04:55 AM |
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Darth Daft
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Re: Sensing the Sith . . .
I think the reason Vader could sense Obi-Wan was because he still
had a little bit of good in him. Like I said before, it may be
that the Dark Side cannot sense the Light Side and vice-versa.
Vader was slightly part of the Light Side and so he could sense
Obi-Wan when he got close, but obviously not when Obi-Wan was
on Tatooine.
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