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darth vader
When Vader puts on his suit, doesnt he get weaker? The suit makes him slower, doesnt it? Even I can move in his costume not that i have. How can he defeat Jedi Masters with the suit on?
not really a suit as much as part of him....look at rotj when he gets his hand cut off....his arm IS part of the suit. really....the only part of a suit is his helmet....
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: On cloud 9 in 7th heaven! I didn't
I think alot of what we saw in the prequels is due in part to the immobility of David Prowse, not suited Vader. im sure the suit doesnt help, but i think it was more David.
Have you ever noticed how big Vaders helmet is? That's why in Episode I he had to choose an actor with a bobblehead like Jake Loyd (w/e). Have you noticed how extremely large anakins head is in episode I. and then in episode VI, you see him next to luke, and his helmet is like twice the size of lukes head. Makes Sense.
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I don't really like the fact that Lucas backpeddled on Vader, saying he was less powerful than Anakin. I just thought that was a weak excuse to make up for the fact the special effects and choerography got better as the Star Wars saga continued, and the fact Prowse wasn't the most athletic of actors, and technology improved.
Also, the type of sword fighting in ANH was based off of simple two handed duelling sword fights. Only by ESB did they bother with other types and speed it up a bit.
I mean, Lucas keeps saying the ANH fight was between a cripple and an old man, and thats why they appear slow. That's so lame. He's basically backtracking on his films and saying those two characters are, well, crap. For someone to make excuses over the lack of special effects or funding, which is detrimental to the story and the characters shows how little Lucas cares about characterisation over visuals. It just bugs me a little that he can't stick his guns and has to basically re-write a story based on the technology.
Cripple my ass.
Besides, I always though Vader was so cool because he DIDN'T do backflips. He just stood there, ominously, like an immovable object. I don't think he would have been half as cool if he did backflips and kung fu action poses. I love it when he fights Luke with one hand on Bespin, just so powerful and bad ass.
We will never really know if he was actually "crippled" you see, because there's no Jedi to actually compare him to. Luke doesn't count. He was in training, and suddenly beat Vader through Vaders complacence and surprise. I mean, maybe the fact Vader doesn't move a lot is BECAUSE he's brimming over with the force, he doesn't need to move much. It's open to interpretation but that's my take on it.
I mean, he deflects Hans laser fire with the force (it is the force, it doesn't hit his hand) in ESB- even Mace Windu needed his saber for that.
Last edited by Red Superfly on Apr 4th, 2005 at 01:58 PM
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: On cloud 9 in 7th heaven! I didn't
AMEN BROTHER!!! Its like how they say, I don't move unless provoked....well, no one provoked him that much. If someone pisses you off and you can kill them from another part of the ship, why the hell would you walk all the over to where they are just to get in a fist fight or chop him down with a lightsaber? Nah F that, you get him an ya screen and yoke his bittch ass out. Im with you man, its crap that he's taking this direction, just cause DP was a big uncoordinated...."thing" who couldnt move well.
he said in some interview, i think on star wars.com, somewhere around when he explained the clones in OT being from different sources, or maybe in that Empire of Dreams documentary, he said that he sees Anakin being like twenty percent (number he obviously pulled out of nowhere to make a point) MORE powerful than the Emperor, but then, because of the fight and the injuries sustained, he lost a lot of natural tissue and thus, midichlorians, which weakened his connection to the force and so his power then is about twenty percent LESS than the Emperor, which is why he needed Luke's help to take the Empreror on.
I totally agree. I really wish they'd (instead of all these stupid changes to the OT) actually go in and insert digital fighters (like they basically do for Dooku and Palpatine) into the Obi-wan Vader fight in ANH so that they at least make the fight look as good as ESB or ROTJ. Not a ridiculous amount but C'MON!! After we watch the 13 minute duel between these two heavy hitters, all we see them do in ANH is fight like a couple 4 year olds with their mommy's broom sticks? that's weak! Vader HATES Obi-wan, I want to see him at least TRY to kick his ass! not just slap each other gently a couple times.
i agree with Red. why cant they just admit that the choriography and stunts werent as good in the old days. instead he makes the excuse that Luke wasnt trained as good as jedi in the PT. i guess that makes sense but still.
Apr 4th, 2005 03:24 AM
