i remember in the movie before the fight between sidious and yoda starts,sidious was trying to run away....when yoda stopped him and said.."if so powerful you are,why leave!!"...did sidious really want to leave and escape or was he just trying to do something else????
But how come he want to run from yoda is he was welling to destroy all the jedi and become the emperor and the dark sith lord..who has full power of everything.....doesn't this feel little it wrong!!!!
Of course he was going to try to run. His plan was years in the making, and he finally converted a powerful apprentice, and he has supreme powers over the galaxy. He isn't about to risk all that in a fight with the strongest Jedi in 1000 years, maybe ever. He wanted to run, but Yoda stopped him. If yoda didn't stop him and at least try to fight, Palps would have had the entire republic army and Vader to protect him for the rest of his life. At that moment when Yoda walked into the room, was Palpys most vulnerable point in his life. He is exposed, and he is alone.
This is of course also why Yoda had to retreat after that fall he took. He probably could have made his way back up to palps, but he also could not risk dying, because he is basically the last hope for the Jedi. Neither one of them could risk dying. But at least Yoda stepped up and instigated the fight.
Good thing Yoda has balls, or that duel would not have happened at all. Palps fought pretty well not to die, but Yoda got the better of him forsure. Too bad neither of them were willing to risk fighting to the death. It was basically just a teaser. Both hoping that they won the fight quick, but not willing to go the distance in case they are evenly matched, which they were.
well...as to yoda being stronger...im not so sure, they are at least equal...
but yea, i mean, palpatine knows how strong yoda is, and that there is a chance he would lose, so why risk it, thats why he tried to run, better to escape and have vader etc. at ur side...
although i still say palpatine would have won the fight eventually....the dark side IS stronger....
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: The Dark Side of the Force
I would say Palps and Yoda are about equal as well. btw Vanquish pretty much nailed everything, well said.
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How can you say the Dark side IS stronger? Look at the dark side users. Maul got rocked like a little ***** by a padawan. Dooku got owned by Anakin, and then a Jedi beat up Anakin, proving that once again, Jedi Obi is a bad ass mother fuker. Windu beat up on palps (or maybe not if you think he was just playing)
So if Yoda is equal to palps
Obi is stronger then Anakin, and Anakin beat Dooku
Obi is stronger then Maul
Please explain to me why you think the Dark side IS stronger? It seems to me that Yoda and Obi are every bit as strong, if not stronger then Palps and Anakin. A two on two would probably go in favour of the jedi. Obi beats Anakin again, and then he helps Yoda take down Palps. Only reason that didn't happen, is because Palps and Vader WOULD NEVER go into a two on two with the Jedi. They know they would lose.
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: In "Devil May Cry" movie
I won't say that the dark side is more powerful, per se, but looking at your reasoning it occurs to me that 2 Sith die during the prequels (a roughly13 year period) compared to THOUSANDS of Jedi, ALL force users.....
hmmmmmm......
The Dark Side isn't more powerful per se, but it is a faster route in achieving strength. It's also "more powerful" in a fight because it focuses on combat, whereas the Light Side advises defense only. And just because the Dark Side is "more powerful" doesn't mean its user is more skilled. Obi-Wan proved that.
I think it's how the force is used determines your power...
The dark side is corrupt, and they want to gain power quickley... Jedis do things right and take thier time if they want to achieve full potential... Now as far as running away.. I'd run too if I had to face Yoda, wouldn't you?
I mean Sidious can feel his strenght in the force, so if he's got all he's wanted why loose it all by dying to a little green jedi... I wouldn't risk my empire to that... Would you? So therefore, I'd run like hell.
meaning that the light side will always come out on top, because the do not kill themselves, and they are not as arrogant...and stupid...in the sense that they would try what anakin tried, because of their lust for power (even tho the jedi are pretty arrogant and stupid, mace is a prime example of this)
You say that thousands of Jedi's died, but only two sith right? First off, how many of those Jedi's died by a lightsaber in a fair fight? You of course can't count the order 66 deaths, because Sith or Jedi would have died under the same conditions so those are mute. You also can't count Windu or Palps eventual death, because they were both blindsided. So that leaves what?
Maul, Dooku, Anakin, Vader, and Palps on the Sith team.
Qui gon, Obi wan, Yoda, Windu, and the three tools that went with windu to arrest palps for the Jedi team.
So of all those siths, Maul and dooku actually die by a Jedi's hand. Vader and dark side anakin get beat by a Jedi's hand. So basically 4 loses.
Of all the Jedi's, Qui gon and the three useless pieces of crap get killed by a Sith Lord. I shouldn't, because they were too young, but just to help out your argument, we can also say that AOTC obi wan and Anakin lose to Dooku. So that would be 6 loses for the Jedi's, even though only Qui gons was considered a straight up loss. Two young jedi's lost to a very old and strong Sith, and three useless Jedi's lost to a Sith Lord. Big deal.
From my count, it's basically even. Jedi's and Siths have proven that when they get that strong, they are EQUAL in power. Yoda, Obi wan, Windu, Palps, Anakin, Qui gon, Maul, Dooku, they are all very powerful. I certainly can't see your argument for saying the dark side is stronger.
The only reason it appears that way, is because there are only two siths at any one time. And they have never fought anytime out of their absolute peak. The Jedi's however have been shown to fight as padawans and young Jedi Knights and still do ok. By the time they are at full potential, they start to beat the Siths. Light and dark are equal...
Registered: May 2005
Location: Drinking rootbear for GSG and DSA.
Yoda would win the Sith is weaker than Dukoo he was trained by Yoda and put up a better fight and the darkside stronger yeah sure bad guys only last one episode in these movies or 2 episodes seriously good side is better Dark kinda suck either way you lose Light and dark are not equal they are like a mirror reflections the oppsites good stronger bad is stronge but not as strong as good they will never be equal if that were so the world would be a mess silly people :P
Why do you count Vader and Dark Side Anakin as two people? Same guy. Same scene. Same defeat. Counts as one. Or are you counting Luke Vs. Vader here as well? Cause that's his only other "defeat", though Luke didn't kill him.
I'd also say that Saesee Tinn, Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto are not pieces of shit. They're Jedi Masters, just like Mace, Yoda and Obi-Wan. While I stand by my statement that Mace might as well have gone alone to arrest Palpatine, that's not a knock on them, really. It's a compliment to Sidious.
I'm not disputing anything else you said, though.
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Last edited by kremzike on May 28th, 2005 at 05:19 AM
If Palpatine was running, why Did he say 'Oh Ive been waiting for this for a LONG time my little green friend' and then laugh. Why do this and then attempt to run? Perhaps he knew Yoda would follow and he would battle elsewhere but when blocked he had to fight in the office so he did and he basically Kicked ass, especially when it came to going into the Senate Chamber thingy lol
May 27th, 2005 09:30 PM
