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Darth Jarus
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Question on Dooku

OK, I have a question that has been bothering me for some time, and I'm hoping someone can provide an answer. What is Dooku's motivation for turning to the Dark Side?

Palpatine/Sidious' first apprentice was Darth Maul. We know little of his background, but he appears to be Sith rage incarnate. His only dialogue reveals his burning desire to reveal himself to the Jedi. When Qui Gon and him are seperated by the laser wall, he stalks like a caged animal while QGJ just meditates.

I think we can assume that Palpatine found Maul at a very young age and trained/brainwashed him in the ways of the Dark Side. His death was unexpected and Palpatine had been juggling apprentices ever since.

Then we have Dooku. A former Jedi who left the order, on good terms it would seem since Windu vouches that he could never be behind the assasination attempts on Padme. I always imagined Palpatine having to scramble for a new apprentice after Maul's death, and he came up/corrupted Dooku. But why?

Dooku's seperatist movement is supposedly opposed to the corruption of the Republic. Yet, Dooku presumable knows Sidious is Palpatine. He tells Obi Won that the Senate is under the control of a Sith lord. In Episode III Viceroy Gunray is still in league with Sidious, even though Dooku says that Gunray came to him for help.

But Dooku is the one who hired Jango Fett. And presumably he was the one who ordered the clone army under the name of another Jedi who was dead long before the order was placed. Dooku, being a Jedi himself, also could have erased the files with the planet's location on it. His entire job in Episode II was to start a war. He reports to Palpatine that "the war has begun."

So basically, everything Dooku says is bunk. But then why does he lament QGJ not being there to help him? He seems sincere in that moment. He even tries to recruit Obi Won. He later offers to spare the surviving Jedi if they surrender. He has no reason to spare them. Jedi are far too powerful to keep as prisoners to hold as hostages. He had just seen a handful of Jedi fight against incredible odds. Being a Jedi himself, Dooku surely wouldn't think he could hold Jedi as prisoners for long. And why does Dooku seem surprised when the Republic comes up with the clone army?

Any ideas/theories on why Dooku turned to the Dark Side? And what his true intentions where? Anakin turned to save Padme. What was the prize for Dooku?

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Dooku felt that the Jedi were betraying their own principles by serving a corrupt government. His grief over Qui-Gonn's death was also a big factor. He felt that if the Jedi had been more true to their ideals, Qui-Gonn would probably still be alive.

Plus, like Anakin, there was ego and ambition. Dooku wanted to be the best and he felt that the Dark Side would help him achieve this.

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Count Dooku (102–19 BBY) (also known as Darth Tyranus) is a fictional character from the Star Wars universe. Dooku is an esteemed Jedi Master who is tempted by the power of the dark side, and thus, he becomes the apprentice to Darth Sidious, Dark Lord of the Sith.

Dooku's seduction to the dark side by Darth Sidious is a relatively simple one. Dooku is frustrated at the bureaucracy of the Senate and the unwillingness of the Jedi Council to step in during certain events and situations that might have been beneficial to those who are in torment and the like. Further adding fuel to the fire is the death of his former Padawan, Qui-Gon Jinn. Dooku believes that the Jedi caused his death.

His Sith name is Darth Tyranus, a name obviously derived from "tyrant," particularly more at "tyrannous." It is also possible that the name Dooku is derived from the Japanese word "doku," which means poison.


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Gee, thanks, that really cleared everything up, remind me to call up Wikipedia to thank them.


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what do umean by that


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I think he means that cut-n-pasted from Wik (or they cut-n-pasted from your source.)

It is the exact same text... smile

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yeah i no thatbut i thought he was tryin to say it was wrong


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I don't feel like reading that whole thing.


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Dooku = bad.

That's about it.

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Dooku was always a strongly independent spirit. Yoda understood he was not happy with the way the government was. The corruption unnerved him and because the Jedi continued to serve, he left the order in rebellion. HOw coud the Jedi continue to serve a corrupt government?

Besides, it is rumoured that Dooku investigated the Sith Holicrons in the Jedi archives. He was already tampering with dark power before he left hte order. He was always interested in power. Sidious' conversion would have been very easy. Manipulating him wouldnot haev been a problem. Sidious would play on the bureacracy of the government. Dooku would love it. Hence his conversion.


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If he thought they were serving a corrupt gov. why did he serve the leader that corrupted it. It doesn't make any sense.


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you guys have to understand that Sith are always out to get each other. When they have the opportunity they will stab each other in the back. Dooku went with the flow in serving Sidious so that he can gain power and run the galaxy his own way. That is why he tried to get Obi Wan to join him. So that he can turn Obi Wan to the dark side and they can both take out Sidious.
Just watch The Empire Strikes Back again. Darth Vader did the same thing by getting Luke to join him and kill Sidious.
This is so unclear is the fact George Lucas's script for Episode II was so poor, that it made a lot of things unclear to the fans

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Red Superfly
Dooku = bad.

That's about it.


You = bad.

That's not it, but i wont elaborate.


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That's uncalled for, Sorgo. *thwaps over the head* Don't be a dick!


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Captain REX
That's uncalled for, Sorgo. *thwaps over the head* Don't be a dick!


Damnit, stop thwapin' me!


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Read LOE.. it explains it pretty well


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Yup.


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Dooku blamed the Jedi Order for Qui-Gon's death. Qui-Gon was his padawan.


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Actually, Dark Rendezvous is excellent too for Dooku insight.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by FistoFan
Dooku blamed the Jedi Order for Qui-Gon's death. Qui-Gon was his padawan.


WTF?? messed


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