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zachrivard
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Whos good and whos evil?

is count dooku good? i guess you could argue each side cuase all he wanted to do was get rid of the sith but are all sith evil?


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Re: Whos good and whos evil?

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but are all sith evil?

Pretty much.

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Yes all Sith are pretty friggin evil, even if they don't so much seem like they are. Dooku being one of those people. But trust me, he was evil, very evil.


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The Sith are portrayed as evil in the films, yes.


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To themselves, the Sith do not see themself as evil. Like in the Clone War novels, the Jedi said that when you fall into the Dark Side, you see what you're doing as right and not the wrong.


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Dooku left the jedi order becuase he thought it was corrupt. He then joined the sith because of his ambitious desires to become better than everyone else. "I have become more powerful than any jedi". He also beecame a sith to help build a new Republic because he didnt think the old one was working. So from his point of view he was doing good, but in reality he was creating a war and killing millions of people.


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He didn't want to recreate the Republic, he wanted to be the Emperor's Vader, controlling the Galaxy in an Empire, but Anakin took that job away in about 50 seconds

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This is Star Wars, no need to worry about shades of grey here. Good guys and bad guys; Dooku is a bad guy. He may be elegant, thoughtful and charming, but still bad.


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Amen to that.


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Every Sith that i've seen and read about are evil, so yes i guess there evil!

and ye thats so right, the Sith lords believe there doing the correct or right thing, look at Anakin in Revenge Of The Sith, the best example wink


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There are shades of grey in everything. There is not a right or wrong answer to every question. Evil is a point of view.


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Exactly. Only a sith deals in absolutes.


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Exactly. Only a sith deals in absolutes.


Which is itself an absolute

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Hence Lucas is really hypocritical and doesnt make sense.


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Re: Whos good and whos evil?

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is count dooku good? i guess you could argue each side cuase all he wanted to do was get rid of the sith but are all sith evil?
Dooku wanted to get rid of the sith? Wasn't he one himself?


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I never did get that...in AOTC when talking to Kenobi in prison...the whole "join me, and we can destroy the Sith" speech.

Was that indended to be a ploy (take Kenobi as an apprentice and overthrow Sidious), or did Dooku actually think he could overthrow Sidious and destroy the Sith (say if he also gave up his lordship)?

Did Lucas ever say anything on what he intended?


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Which is itself an absolute


It is, isn't it? laughing

One of Lucas's inconsistencies.

How about : "Don't give into hate, that leads to the Dark Side." Sounds pretyy absolute.


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How about most of Yoda's ESB speech.

"NO! There is no why." (Do what i say without question b*tch!)


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Jedi are VERY absolute...

What the heck did Lucas mean by that line anyway?


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It was really referring to comments like "If you are not my friend, you are my enemy," that kind of thing.

But nevermind all that as for the wider cosmology. George Lucas, and Star Wars itself, is very clear- that there is good and evil, white hats and black hats, and people are clearly one or the other. Your comment may be so about real life, Alliance, but not in Star Wars- no shades there.


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