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Question About Anakin

After Anakin pledges himself to Palpatine, does he become purely evil?

Palpatine orders Anakin to go launch an attack on the Jedi Temple and kill everyone there, doesn't Anakin have any resentment to that? He's been ordered to slaughter friends he knew for years!

I mean, 5 minutes ago he treated fellow Jedi as brothers and then and hour minutes later he treats them as mortal enemies. How can he kill the Younglings, does he become heartless right after he pledges himself to the Sith? After all, he only did it for love.

My second question, isn't love supposed to be a major concept in Star Wars, so why is it due to love that Anakin turned to the dark side? I mean, Luke loved his father, that's why he turned him back to the light.

I don't get it.


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Who does....

I still think that the turn itself is rather odd.... I don't buy it. One moment he's about to turn Palpy in, the next het cuts off Windu's arms and is off to slaughter kids.... That boy really has a screw loose somewhere.


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Throughout Revenge Of The Sith Anakin is seeing in his dreams that Padme is going to die, In the same way he saw his Mother in his dreams.

Its clear that Anakin loves Padme very much. But when Anakin sits in the Temple ans thinks about it he must realise that If the Jedi destroy Palpatine, then Padme will die. Also Anakin has had his trust shaken by the Jedi, but Palpatine is a very close friend and mentor to Anakin. Which is the main reason he served Palpatine and swore his allegiance to him.


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The PT has a stupid way of telling things, blame Lucas

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Both trilogies have stupid ways of telling things...blame Lucas.


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THe ones in the OT are better hidden. stick out tongue


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Throughout Revenge Of The Sith Anakin is seeing in his dreams that Padme is going to die, In the same way he saw his Mother in his dreams.

Its clear that Anakin loves Padme very much. But when Anakin sits in the Temple ans thinks about it he must realise that If the Jedi destroy Palpatine, then Padme will die. Also Anakin has had his trust shaken by the Jedi, but Palpatine is a very close friend and mentor to Anakin. Which is the main reason he served Palpatine and swore his allegiance to him.



Agreed.

Thats why you have the little tear, when him and Padme are "looking" at each other across the distance.

He knows that he's gonna have to save Palps, and that means (at the very least) standing against the Jedi.

Probably killing a few, if not all.

He hopes to have Palps captured and put on trial to pump him for info. (this is confirmed by Lucas in the dvd commentary), but as the fight progresses, it's obvious that this isn't going to be possible.

Even when he cuts off Mace's hand, he isn't trying to kill Mace, just trying to prevent Palps death.

After palps blasts him out the window, he realizes that he's now joined at the hip with him, and has to help implement his plans.

No other choice really, except to kill palps and lose padme.

That's the logic of it anyway and the dvd commentary helps a bit, it just wasn't made completly clear on-screen, so his turn seems rather quick.

It's why he cries later on Mustafar too, because although he's consumed with anger and feels put out by the Jedi, he really didn't want to go against them and kill all the kids.

He just let himself get screwed into that situation.


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Re: About Anakin

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Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
After Anakin pledges himself to Palpatine, does he become purely evil?

Palpatine orders Anakin to go launch an attack on the Jedi Temple and kill everyone there, doesn't Anakin have any resentment to that? He's been ordered to slaughter friends he knew for years!

I mean, 5 minutes ago he treated fellow Jedi as brothers and then and hour minutes later he treats them as mortal enemies. How can he kill the Younglings, does he become heartless right after he pledges himself to the Sith? After all, he only did it for love.

My second question, isn't love supposed to be a major concept in Star Wars, so why is it due to love that Anakin turned to the dark side? I mean, Luke loved his father, that's why he turned him back to the light.

I don't get it.


No or Padme and Luke wouldn't have sense good in him.

The only friends Anakin really had were Oafy Wan and Palpatine.

He really did not like them, especially Mace Windu. Read the ROTS book.

Just shows the crazy things love makes you do.

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I know all that cerebrally... but it's just not there when you see it. And that is why I don't buy it.


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Who does....

I still think that the turn itself is rather odd.... I don't buy it. One moment he's about to turn Palpy in, the next het cuts off Windu's arms and is off to slaughter kids.... That boy really has a screw loose somewhere.



read the book babe, it's done much better in there and takes longer yes


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The PT books tell a better story than the PT movies.


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Naah, the PT and the OT books ALL stink. They're not books, they're 'novelizations." Ugh, what a horrendous word.

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Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
read the book babe, it's done much better in there and takes longer yes


I know, babe.... but only the movie really counts.


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Unfortunately so, because the ROTS book blows the ROTS movie out of the water and I despise the EU. Thats how good the book is.


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read the book babe, it's done much better in there and takes longer yes


I third that motion.


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Yes, he becomes fully evil from that moment. That's the Dark Side for you.


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please stop reminding me how anakin's turn, though explained throughout the film ad nauseum, makes no sense at all sad

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How about he made up his mind?

Anakin was no Hamlet. Anakin had his time of thoughtful deliberation.

When Mace tried to assassinate the man who could help him save Padme, Anakin saw what the Jedi were trying to do and that sealed the deal for him.

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I can use that to rationalize why Anakin gave up the jedi, but its quite a jump to go from turning from the Order and magically pledging allegiance to the Sith like some sort of unconscious dog. Anakin can't really like the Sith at that point. And joining just because you have one friend (who you don't trust and who started a three year galactic war that destroyed your life), is a lame rationalization.


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The thing is: we KNOW how it works....
The problem is: we don't feel it, experience it or whatever. It is there factually, but I just don't buy it, it's not credible.


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