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IGOTMYBEAT
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Clonetroopers
I got an explanation for why the Stormtroopers are so crappy even though they were cloned from Jango Fett.
The great part about the Clonetroopers is that you can't disable all of them just by knocking out a Control Ship, yet you can manufacture an unlimited amount, just like droids.
Well...eventually, when the Jedi wise up and figure out Emperor Palpatine is the bad guy, they launch an assault on the cloning facilities on Kamino, which halt the production of more Clonetroopers.
This speculation is supported by a quote from Rick McCallum, sometime after TPM, in which he stated George Lucas was thinking of having some huge water battle somewhere. And since Kamino is largely water, or all water, a battle on Kamino may have been what George Lucas envisioned.
Now, why did Darth Sidious choose to have the clones manufactured on Kamino? Perhaps the cloning technology is exclusive to Kamino, or atleast scarce throughout the galaxy.
So when the cloning facilities were destroyed, the Emperor had to start the process from scratch. Perhaps the new cloning facilities were built in a hurry, and thus just plain wasn't as good. The Emperor probably also had to use a new template, maybe somebody not quite as skilled as Jango Fett, which *could* exlain why the Stormtroopers were so inept.
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Feb 16th, 2001 01:36 AM |
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finti
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Or maby Palpy used the clones to draw the jedi`s attention away for his main goal, creating an empire.
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Feb 16th, 2001 01:46 AM |
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JediOasis
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Now, what I don't get is that in ANH when the Jawas were attacked Ben says something like "Only Imperial Stormtroopers are this accurate." Are these some left over clones of Jango Fett that weren't destroyed?
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Feb 16th, 2001 03:29 AM |
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finti
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I think you are all to hung up in this cloning of jango Fett, the jedi`s won the clone war, the stormtroopers are conscripts or forced to soldering. No clones, the stormtroopers are the next generation of soldiers created and trained in empire academies. Even under a rule of tyranny you will get people who will support the tyran, in this case the empire led by the emperor.
Another thing if you clone something you can alter certain aspects like emotion. I dont think they would have a clone to show emotions like fear. And the stormtroopers and the rest of the empire do fear Vader and the Emperor.
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Feb 16th, 2001 03:43 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Oh, indeed you do.In fact, they wouldn't even see it as a Tyranny. I don't want to go too far down the Hitler-allegory path, but where do you think he got the name Stormtroopers from...
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Feb 16th, 2001 03:53 AM |
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queeq
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That little convo between the Stormtroopers in ANH as OB1 slips away from them, doesn't sound like mindless clones either. They appear to have hobbies and desires for new models of transport.
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Feb 16th, 2001 04:00 AM |
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finti
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Don`t give me the crap that stormtroopers was first used for germans soldier during ww2, the cosacs called some of their elite cavalry for stormtroopers over a 100 years before ww2.
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Feb 16th, 2001 04:13 AM |
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Ushgarak
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And ancient civilsations used them 4000 years before that. I know my history, thanks.
But the German model is WHERE THE FILMS GOT THE INSPIRATION FROM.
I didn't say the Germans invented it
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Feb 16th, 2001 04:23 AM |
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Ratcat
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The entire Imperial Empire concept was based on the Nazi regime of 1930/40's Germany. George Lucas said this is several interviews in the past.
As for the Kamino idea, it might make sense to have a ready supply of water. Clones are absed on a human blueprint we believe. Humans are made of something like 90% water, and biologists out there want to clarify this.
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Feb 16th, 2001 05:08 AM |
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The Stormtroopers didn’t start out so bad, if you remember how they took out the rebels in the Blockade Runner. The Stormtroopers with all their faults were held back by the fact that the heroes could not die. They were not playing on a level playing field. That is the reason why they looked so bad when fighting someone who was not "expendable", unlike the rebels in the opening sequence of ANH. Not every major character was “protected”. The droids for example could be repaired so George didn’t mind having them taken out. The princess suffered a flesh wound in Jedi. The Jawas and Luke’s Aunt and Uncle were easily pasted because they were supposed to die. I am looking forward to these next 2 movies because the Srormtroopers will finally be able to show just what they can do. A lot of people will die, and who else other than Vader, the Emperor and the Stormtroopers to take them out? They will finally get a chance to show their stuff because they wont be fighting Luke, Lando, Solo, ect…
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Feb 19th, 2001 10:34 AM |
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back to the whole Nazi/Empire thing, it would make since, the liquidation of the jedi would kinda be like the ALMOST liquidation of the jews.
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Feb 19th, 2001 10:40 AM |
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finti
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oh come on give me a break. This is getting silly.
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Feb 19th, 2001 05:30 PM |
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Ok Mr. military master man
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Feb 20th, 2001 01:44 AM |
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Ushgarak
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I knew I shouldn't have mentioned the German thing...
If you take it too far, it does get a little silly. The Jedi just don't reflect the Jews at all, for a horde of reasons.
GL based the Empire on the Nazis. Palpatine's rise is certainly a dirct link to this model. But the story as a whole is not a Nazi allegory- just specific bit are.
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Feb 20th, 2001 02:30 AM |
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JediOasis
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Yeah, we all know that Lucas uses all kinds of different historical and mythological events when he tells his story. The Empire is obviously the Nazi regime and I think the Jedi are supposed to represent Buddist Monks with their robes and vowels of non-violence unless absolutely needed.
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Feb 21st, 2001 01:41 AM |
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Oh he uses nuances of lots of things..and then blends them to make something new...
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Feb 21st, 2001 11:19 AM |
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queeq
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Yep, he picks and chooses, cuts and pastes.
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Feb 21st, 2001 05:16 PM |
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Okay...truth not known..what ever happened to the idea that the clones were cloned after Jedi..and because the jedi were eliminated they had NO specimens to work from..so they kept cloning the clones and their powers were weaker and weaker with each clone..this was an old Idea supposedly Lucas was dealing with years ago...it stand's to figure..each clone is weaker than the original..if you have NO original..you'd clone the next best thing...a clone..well along the cloning lines..we get the stormtroopers we have now..pretty much stupid and will run into the line of fire not thinking...But they do have cool armor...
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Feb 27th, 2001 03:11 PM |
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Ratcat
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So why would that work? Surely you talking about having Jedi Stormtroopers in that case?
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Feb 27th, 2001 07:00 PM |
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queeq
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No, it doesn't mean they're trained as Jedi, it says they have midi's. Now, I don't buy this scenario yet, so far I go on the rumour that the Clones were based on Jango. But with the midi's thing, it might be the power tool Palpyhas to control his troops. Just some random speculation.
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