I haven't had that impression of him in a while. He's the realest, manliest ****er of the lot, but there's not much evidence to suggest he's outstandingly powerful among them.
I'd argue Nadd was more powerful than Kun. As far as being Nadd's errand boy, I think sith spirits still maintain a hierarchy of some sort. Ragnos is the the most respected and generally regarded as the leader in the underworld.
welp, my argument was that nadd>kun. If we are to establish that both were powerhouses and yet nadd yielded to ragnos, that's more evidence of ragnos' superiority.
His vast reserves of force knowledge and power as evidenced by gameplay sourcebooks (n-canon but paints a picture), as well as his holocron that took Bane a decade to study. His much better showing against the Massassi than Kun when they both were at the beginning of their sith careers. Nadd had the fortune of traveling to the sith empire uninterrupted and gathering everything that wasn't discovered (as most of the sith empire was still undiscovered by the republic). Mastering all of Sadow's techniques was what had Kun going for him but Nadd did the same. The other thing Kun might have had in his favor was the Ossus library, if he had time to study it that is.
1. I don't recall it saying it had ALL the teachings of the sith, just that it had teachings of the sith dating back 100,000 years. Nadd instead had things like Adas' holocron, which alone allowed him to conquer Onderon singlehandedly, not to mention whatever else he found within the Old Sith Empire.
2. Why wasn't the force available to him again? Remind me, I don't recall. And if the force was unavailable to him, wouldn't that further show Nadd's dominance, who showed no such hindrance?
3. Lets also take into the account that Exar Kun was a sith lord for less than a year, while Nadd was around for decades? That would further explain why he had 10 years worth of knowledge locked within his holocron. Kun may have had considerable sources at his disposal, but he lacked the time to absorb them.
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__________________ ''It is necessary that I should die for my people; but my spirit will rise from the grave and the world will know that I was right." The Almighty Führer
1. Yeah, fair enough. I would point out that he has all of Naga Sadow's knowledge, but so does Freedon Nadd.
2. The text made it intentionally vague, but it seems to either be because of the dark side nexus of the world or Freedon Nadd was intentionally suppressing his abilities. I don't think it would show Nadd's dominance, however, since he was already a Sith who had access to the planet's power, whereas Exar Kun was cut off from his power since he still was a Jedi and wielded the light-side, if that makes sense. When Exar Kun embraced the dark side, we saw him destroying the Massassi en masse.
3. Actually, Freedon Nadd was a Sith for a *century*, in contrast to Kun's year. Another point in Freedon Nadd's favor.
However, even if Freedon Nadd has greater mastery, knowledge, and experience, Exar Kun *does* have the edge in both power (based on feats and the "most powerful"quotes) and lightsaber abilities. I muse (it's hard to really tell when dealing with characters like these, so speculation is needed, if you ask me) that said factors would be enough for him to best Freedon Nadd (which just makes sense to me, since Kun blasted his ass out of existence), but I think your arguments here, at the very least, show they're close.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
In my opinion, that was some PIS. I didn't really understand how embracing the dark side could magically open up force reserves. Then again, I don't understand how Nadd's spirit could block Kun's force abilities either. One thing to note though that Nadd was NOT a sith yet, when he came to Yavin IV. He became a sith after studying under Sadow. Before that, he was just aspiring.
I also remember the century quote but I was having trouble reconciling the idea that a human could live well over a century without stasis or some arcane rituals.
What about the quote about Nadd's short lightsaber? Also which most powerful quotes? I wonder if they include guys like Nadd. Raw power may be the only thing Kun has an advantage in and that's also highly debatable, due to Nadd being able to contest Jedi Masters at a very young age.
Also other things to consider. Like you mentioned, 100 years of knowledge vs. 1. All other things being equal or near equal should favor Nadd.
2. Nadd's sagging face. The ONLY other time we've seen the ravages of the dark side affect a user to that degree is Sidious. To me that denotes massive power.
3. Nadd's abilities as a sith spirit. He was one of the only spirits in the mythos that could travel to any planet, and he was able to use the force against living beings such as knocking Vodo back (doing it telepathically across the galaxy).
4. His spiritual presence alone darkened the skies of Onderon for centuries.
There are others but that's all I have this late at night.
So we're going off knowledge and that's it? Kun's already confirmed to have Nadd's knowledge as well as Sadow's, plus "more knowledge than he would ever need" from the Ossus library.
__________________ ''It is necessary that I should die for my people; but my spirit will rise from the grave and the world will know that I was right." The Almighty Führer
Which becomes a moot point considering Kun was barely alive for 6 months as a sith. Also it's highly unlikely he would have ALL of Nadd's knowledge, seeing as how he didn't have access to Nadd's holocron or Adas' holocron.
As Ant said, Nadd most likely had first dibs on all Old Sith Empire tomes/scrolls/holocrons since the sith were only hunted down on Korriban and the Sith Emperor abandoned those worlds entirely. So that's a point in his favor for knowledge and the 100 years he had to use said knowledge.
You have to remember that this we're dealing with pre-PT material; lots of the concepts regarding the Force weren't fleshed out and largely left to the authors. I always interpreted it as a "once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny" thing; because he embraced the dark side on Korriban, the power of the light was out of his reach forevermore, or something to that effect.
Even if I concede this point, I recall he was able to activate the amulet instantly after embracing the dark side. I also don't remember any mention of Nadd having an amulet during his victory over the Massassi (since Nadd gave it to him during his training).
Sep 13th, 2016 12:56 AM
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