Revan fighting through the Star Forge and beating Malak, Surik fighting through Malachor V and beating Traya or the Hot fighting through Dromund Kaas and defeating Vitiate ?
Barring his companions, Revan's feat is the best since he was completely dependent on his own reserves, nothing else. Surik had access to circumstantial power (as throughout the game) and her ability to feed off everyone she killed. Revan's companions were probably less of a help than Surik's circumstantial powers, so yeah, he takes first place. Surik comes in next.
The HoT's showing is just plain worse. It does compare to both, though.
Last edited by SunRazer on Sep 13th, 2016 at 07:57 AM
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Revan's feat was better. The Sith in the Star Forge were not only superior to those in the Trayus academy, but were amped just as well as those on Malachor. Revan was weakened by the SF's DS Nexus, and he still managed to fight through dozens of Sith, droids, DS amped Bastila and eventually Malak himself. This feat is easily the best of the three. Though the other two are definitely comparable.
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How were they improved significantly at all? Not all of them were taught how to harness Malachor's power or how to use uber-drain. Even if they were superior, Revan's feat is still better because he fought more of them than Surik did.
Um, what? The Assassins were all the Drain technique. Some of the others weren't, but it's not as if every Sith in Revan's Empire knew it either. The fact that they never "mastered" it to the degree of Nihilus is irrelevant when Revan and the Star Forge Sith didn't do so either.
Each of the blademasters on Malachor V survived at least ten encounters with a Jedi, and presumably killed them in those encounters (or at least, the vast majority). These Sith also assassinated tens of thousands of Jedi, per the Revan novel. I don't believe the Dark Jedi on the Star Forge have something of that scale to their name.
Revan had his companions by his side, so I'm not sure if he really fought more than Surk, who fought through a score of Storm Beasts and then a legion of elite Sith solo.
There's a source that says the survivors of the Triumvirate turn on themselves and destroy each other after the destruction of the Trayus Academy, IIRC.
Regardless, it's stated that the most elite of the Assassins were stationed on Malachor V, per the KotORCG, so they were the strongest even when the others were alived. The Prima Guide reinforces this by calling them the Sith's strongest guardians or some such.
Last edited by SunRazer on Sep 14th, 2016 at 11:13 AM
I don't use in-game character models as representative of the number of people they fought. But if you did, Revan has his companions and still only fights a few at a time, it's just that they keep coming at him.
Surik fought "legions", some of the chambers in the Academy were "thronged with Sith".
Dark Jedi weren't better. The Triumvirate wiped out tens of thousands of Jedi, and the ones on Malachor were the strongest (it was probably the weaker ones roaming the galaxy that did the killing, along with Sion/Nihilus etc.)
Which doesn't mean there was more than two survivors beyond Malachor
The Dark Jedi weren't Assasssins, they were Dark Jedi. That's like saying this apple is the best apple as proof for it being better than an orange.
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His two companions wouldn't assist him against armies of Jedi. His Jedi companions aren't better than Dark Jedi, and his best non-Force sensitive companions are ranged combatants.
Revan fought more.
They were better.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Sep 14th, 2016 at 11:29 AM
There is a limit to the number of people you can face and fight from all sides, before the enemies numbers turn into a hindrance and they just get on the way of each other and after that it just turns into a battle of attrition fighting wave after wave of enemies.
To known which feat of the two is superior we will have to known the layout of the area, the enemy composition, the number of enemies they will have to fight through, assistance on doing the feat.
Revan's feat is likely superior imo.
Last edited by TheKnight on Sep 14th, 2016 at 11:36 AM
Being one thing doesn't preclude you from being the other, lol.
Revan's Empire had numerous Sith Assassins, and Malak would've naturally inherited them. Not saying that those were the ones he fought on the Star Forge, of course.
Repeating yourself doesn't make a difference. Do any of these Dark Jedi have something to their name? Since the blademasters in the Academy on Malachor survived 10+ battles with Jedi each.
See this is why I find it really difficult and kinda pointless to debate this type of game stuff, as we don't know what the hell actually happened. The only way we have any clue, is with cutscenes and even that just doesn't give full scope, we at best get A(the beginning) and C(the ending) of a fight, we hardly ever get a B(the middle) in a fight except in TOR.
Even getting B, it doesn't really last long and then you're back at A until C.
Which then still makes for speculation, even with having B.
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